YTSEJAM Digest 663
Today's Topics:
1) Youngest DT fan? Metropolis pt. 1...
by Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu>
2) Re: Fates Providence tape...
by EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
3) Re: electric violin, FW, Rush, etc.
by Dario M Zagar <dmz2@columbia.edu>
4) Moon Bubbles...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
5) Re: california flooding (was Re: Some musings on YTSEJAM digest 660)
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Fates Warning Interview
by WarmWetOs@aol.com
7) SDV Samples
by TTubbiola@aol.com
8) DON'T DISS FATES W.
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 661
by LOMBARMG@bcvms.bc.edu
10) Re: electric violins??
by Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
11) Re: electric violins??
by Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
12) Re: music styles
by Geoffrey T Hardy <hard0041@gold.tc.umn.edu>
13) Fates....
by jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
14) Re: electric violins??
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
15) Re: Dream Theatre
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
16) Rush and FW
by MikeP81576@aol.com
17) A Kick into a Dream - Sorry!!
by Kaoru Kobayashi <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
18) Re: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
by armstron@allware.com (Scott Armstrong)
19) Re: Difficulty of DT...Keeping up with the LaBries
by Richard <rfguy@is.dal.ca>
20) Fates
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
21) Re: Difficult drums
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
22) Re: DON'T DISS FATES W.
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 661
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
24) 6:00
by "Olaf Peters" <olf@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
25)
by
26) electric violins
by Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
27) Re: DT/FW Comparisons
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
28) Re: SDV Samples
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
29) Re: Youngest DT fan? Metropolis pt. 1...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:30:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu>
To: DREAM THEATER <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Youngest DT fan? Metropolis pt. 1...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950125122504.1132B-100000@upsun26.up.edu>
My younger sister, who is 10 is a huge DT fan. Is she one of the
youngest fans out there?
Is there a sequal to Metropolis pt. 1? Is the sequal "A Mind
Beside Itself"? or is the sequal "Dance of Eternity"? Or am I just over
analyizing things and there is in fact no sequal yet?
If someone would help me clear up this mystery I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks.
Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis
University of Portland
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Fates Providence tape...
Message-ID: <01HM9P0HPD4GD7RCVK@vms.cis.pitt.edu>
BTW, I'm interested in that '94 Fates show.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:56:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Dario M Zagar <dmz2@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: electric violin, FW, Rush, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950125154111.19125B-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
Hey, folks, I just couldn't keep my nose out of these important matters!
First of all, for those of you with a penchant for electric violin, one
of the finest players in the world of prog is David Cross, of King
Crimson and various other bands. First of all, the first(selftitled)
album by the group UK (with John Wetton, Bill Bruford, Allan Holdworth, and Cross) is
incredible, and is a must have for any prog fan. I would also suggest
Larks' Tongues in Aspic by King Crimson--mostly standard violin, but still
excellent. If I recall correctly, Cross also played on KC's Red, another
great platter of prog (that sounds gross, doesn't it?).
Secondly, Fates Warning is a fine, fine band, and if you don't like them,
you just haven't heard the right albums! For those who like the heavier
stuff, pick up No Exit (the first album I heard)--it is incredible,
especially the album length "Ivory Gate of Dreams". I would next
recommend Perfect Symmetry--these two albums are their masterpieces. The
following two, Parallels and Inside Out are much less progressive, though
still enjoyable (for you audiophiles, Parallels is in QSound (though I
can't hear the difference very much, to be honest). If you like
Fantasy-style lyrics, you will love Awaken the Guardian, a great (though
weird, thanks to the odd lyrics and vocal stylings of John Arch)-no
flames please! The aforementioned albums have Ray Alder on vocals, who I
much prefer, personally, and reminds many of Geoff Tate. I would
definitely recommend AGAINST buying their first two albums, Night on
Brocken (uninteresting Maidenesque fare) and the Spectre Within (a poor,
though ambitious attempt at prog)--I paid my hard earned money so you
don't have to!
Next, my boys Rush. First--Moving Pictures (believe the hype,
please--possibly the best album ever). The old stuff (pre-Permanent
Waves) is much heavier--I liked it more when I was younger, now I like
the newer (Permanent Waves--Hold Your Fire) better. I would recommend
2112, Hemispheres, and A Farewell to Kings of the old stuff (don't get me
wrong, all of it (except maybe the first!) is classic. Of the newer
stuff, to be honest I would recommend all albums between Permanent Waves
and Hold Your Fire equally--they're all great. Personally, I think
Presto and Roll the Bones are rather weak, though Counterparts has some
great stuff (and some duds-At the speed of love?). To close, Exit Stage
Left is possibly the best live album ever, and might be a good place to
start.
Sorry for the length, and hope this is helpful!
Dario
P.S. I still think the strange B-tuning in Guitar World is stupid!
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:10:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Moon Bubbles...
Message-ID: <199501252110.QAA29716@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
Just one quick thing...
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 00:53:23 -0700 (MST)
> From: Boo-ba Fett <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: To Live Forever, etc...
>
> I am rather new to this list so I hope this is done right. I am pretty
> sure that these lyrics are correct, but I would appreciate any
> corrections anyone has. I also included lyrics for the ending of the song
> as it is on the Live In Tokoyo video, which with the solo (Moon Bubbles?)
> is my favorite version of a DT song.
>
Actually, that solo is NOT Moon Bubbles... I am not certain whether
it has ever had a name... Moon Bubbles is the instrumental played
BEFORE Another Day druing the early part of the 1st leg of the I&W
tour, and can be found on Home Sweet Home (and LiLI) I am not certain
which othe boots it is on... Just a side note, that song after
Forever was origionally though to be Barfbag, but that was also proven
discorrect by Mike Portnoy himself...
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion |-----Awake-----+---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Let's go PENS!!! |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:42:49 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: california flooding (was Re: Some musings on YTSEJAM digest 660)
Message-ID: <199501252142.NAA07579@netcom13.netcom.com>
Well, my roof was leaking until I patched it up!
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 18:11:01 -0500
From: WarmWetOs@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fates Warning Interview
Message-ID: <950125181055_6710080@aol.com>
Hi guys/gals! First off before I go posting an 8 page transcription of the
Fates Warning interview I did with Jim and Mark, I want to make sure that it
is ok with all you YTSEJAMMERS. I would be more then happy to upload the text
file version of the PROGnosis interview that I did last December. All of you
computer experts can tell me what's the best way to do this. I have an
account on AOL (America On Line) but I don't know how I could send a file via
the Internet. If you have any helpful tips please e-mail me! Please forgive
me for not posting the interview sooner but things got a little hectic! Talk
to you all later! Tony K :{)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 19:08:35 -0500
From: TTubbiola@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: SDV Samples
Message-ID: <950125190830_6769251@aol.com>
I remember someone posting the name of the movie that kevin took samples from
for Space Dye Vest. I'd like to rent it.
Thanks,
"The spider in the window" |<Dream Theater: Voices>
"The angel in the pool" |
"The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola
"Now the widow makes the rules"| TTubbiola@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 19:51:11 -0500
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DON'T DISS FATES W.
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950125194333.19358A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
I'm telling you, if you doubt Fates Warning you may have serious
psychological problems. Some of the best lyrics in the world are on FW
albums. GO GET 'PERFECT SYMMETRY' RIGHT NOW! YOU WILL REALIZE YOUR FOLLY!
And hey, you'll have another album that Kevin Moore plays on... :)
As far as RUSH - Take your credit card to a local record shop and get
these CDs: Hold Your Fire, Moving Pictures, Power Windows, Hemispheres,
Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Permanent Waves, Presto, 2112, A Farewell
To Kings, Exit... Stage Left, A Show Of Hands, All The World's A Stage,
Roll The Bones, Counterparts, Fly By Night, Caress Of Steel...
Take Care,
Jay Peele (INFERNO)
For information on INFERNO, e-mail jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:28:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: LOMBARMG@bcvms.bc.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 661
Message-ID: <01HMA0N35RGY8ZEMGU@bcvms.bc.edu>
Anyone who is interested in electric violins should check out the Dixie
Dregs. They are all instrumental, and very good. Steve Morse, the guitarist,
has been cited by Petrucci many times as one of his guitar heroes, and the
drummer, Rod Morgenstein, is an excellent drummer (despite the fact that he
used to be in Winger). If you like instrumental music with balls and a southernflare, definitely check them out.
DTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDT
A A
W "But don't cut your losses to soon, W
A 'Cause you'll only be cutting A
K -your throat K
E And answer a call, E
While you still hear at all
E Because nobody will if you won't E
K ---Dream Theater K
A A
W Marc Lombardi "lombarmg@bcvms.bc.edu" W
A A
TDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTD
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:52:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: electric violins??
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501252110.A23070-0100000@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>
On Wed, 25 Jan 1995, Ken Bibb wrote:
> > From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
> [deleted]
> > Does
> > anyone else know of any other prog music that uses electric violin(s)??
> > thanks...id be really interested to know...
> Jan Michael Jarre has some :)
I think that you PROBABLY meant Jean-Luc Ponty, eh?
:)
Andrew
BTW, thats Jean-Michel..... ;)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 22:28:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: electric violins??
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501252245.E23070-0100000@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>
On Wed, 25 Jan 1995, tdb wrote:
> Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> asked about electric violins.
>
> Try Jean-Luc Ponty - he's a jazz violinist who has played with Frank Zappa
> among others. Albums to try:
I like the selections given, but THE progressive albums to get are
Mystical Adventures and ENIGMATIC OCEAN (with Alan Holdsworth and Billy
Cobham)
> Also several Shadowfax albums have electic violin. Try the albums on the
> Windham Hill label first - they lost thier founding guitarist after that
> and I think they turned too new-age-y (and newage rhymes with sewage...).
With him missing they DONT sound much the same, but ..it shouldbe pointed
out that they also lost the violinist who MADE them good (Charles
Bisharat) Met these guys after their concert at a local club and they
were great guys all round!! (oh, to hear the drummer live..WHEW!!!!)
> If you like prog rock and DT, I think the best choice for a first try would
> be Watercourse Way - this would definitely be a "desert island" album for
> me.
Watercourse Way is very ... atonal and more blues progressive to me. Id
suggest trying "Shadowfax" or the album with "Brown Rice" (cant remember
the title now....)
Andrew
PS (might try The Dreams of Children or Too Far to Whisper)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 14:22:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoffrey T Hardy <hard0041@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: William Kriski <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: music styles
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501241534.A7956-0100000@gold.tc.umn.edu>
William, sorry I got so carried away with that last message. I guess
I'm probably at about the same point you are as far as jazz goes -- I'm
trying to ease into it. I've also been taking this class at the U of
Minnesota called Intro to World Music. It's really begun to open my mind
about music from other cultures. I'm very excited about it! I'd share
some more with you, but I really don't have much time today. Maybe, if
you're interested, we could discuss this topic further at a later time...?
Anyway, before I go, I thought I'd mention that I picked up Kiss
My Axe recently at a used CD shop. Al is really amazing on that disk! I
think I'm going to check out some of his other stuff too. Also, have
you heard of Stanley Jordan? I just heard a tune of his the other day.
He's another phenomenal jazz guitarist. He plays almost all two-hand
tapping, but he's very creative with it. You should check him out too.
I gotta go, so see ya later.
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| Geoff Hardy |
* University of Minnesota *
| |
* "Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day . . ." *
| -Pink Floyd |
* *
| "You can do it your own way, if it's done just how I say." |
* -Metallica *
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 16:54:06 -0500
From: jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fates....
Message-ID: <199501252153.AA11495@genesis.ait.psu.edu>
I truly understand how hard it maybe for some to get into Fates' music.
But allow me to put my .02 in.......
1) I think we're all guilty of playing Fates Warning up as an
'exact-replica' band to Dream Theater. Although they have many
similarities (friends with one another, Kevin on 'Symmetry' and 'Parallels'
along with James on 'Parallels,'
prog-metal at its finest, etc......), the bands are VERY different in
compositional techniques, overall stylistic aspects, and mood. Let's not
keep playing them up to Dream Theater saying, "Well their not 'as good' or
'as technical' as Dream Theater." Just take their music as it is (and it
is VERY
GOOD!). Let's face it; Fates is NOT Dream Theater; they have their own
name and own musical style.
2) Fates Warning is an extremely emotional and PERSONAL group, much more
so than Dream Theater (I'm NOT saying Dream Theater does not have these
characteristics; nor am I saying I like Fates better than Dream Theater;
let's not start a Holy war!). For instance, my girlfriend and I are able
to BLAST Dream Theater all day long and never get tired of it. But when it
comes to Fates, we can't listen to their music together. Their music is
too personal and stimulating for one's own pleasure. I'm very moved when I
listen to albums like 'Perfect Symmetry, 'Paralells,' and even more with
'Inside Out.' It's really tough to judge their music from the outside,
because you simply CAN'T. You HAVE to give their music time to sink in and
time for you to understand where they are coming from. Although they do
write real personal, it is in a way that could be reached by a listener and
could be SHARED with the same emotions by that listener (unlike 'Promised
Land,' which I tend to think is way to personally stimulating, for QR's
emotions ONLY).
So, give them a chance. Just like any prog-rock song, you need TIME to let
it sink in. You absolutely cannot listen to Fates Warning once, twice,
even ten times and expect to judge them. They are brilliant musicians and
deserve the CHANCE that should be expected by us listeners who fully
support the progressive
rock genre!
-jason-
p.s. As for the violin playing, I agree whole-heartedly with another
ytsejammer who suggested Kansas. EVERYONE one this list should be
listening to early Kansas as a MAJOR influence, not only on us, as
listeners, but on our favorite group as well, Dream Theater.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 17:04:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: electric violins??
Message-ID: <9501260104.AA08102@malibu.sfu.ca>
> sound but it started me thinking...the only song i know of that uses an
> electric violin is "Losing It" by RUSH off of their album _Signals_. Does
> anyone else know of any other prog music that uses electric violin(s)??
> thanks...id be really interested to know...
>
well, i know that Dixie Dregs use one.
i've also got a copy of a couple of songs from a polish band
called Ankh (thanks Kinga). they play classical music with
a violin (i'm not sure if it's electric though), plus some heavy
guitars for rhythm...it's a very interesting combination.
i think that a band called Believer also usesa a violin.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 18:05:58 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theatre
Message-ID: <199501260105.SAA09810@bud.indirect.com>
> Is this the right address for info on Dream Theatre? Pls send any info
> available if it is at no charge. THX
Dream Theater is a progressive music band. For more info, I'm
afraid I'm going to have to bill you $2.75 per kilobyte. Please remit
payment to:
EastWest Records Net Services
PO Box 2112
Chandler, AZ 85226-2112
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
-Michael Portnoy
Dream Theater/Elektra Entertainment
:)
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 20:23:28 -0500
From: MikeP81576@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Rush and FW
Message-ID: <950125202317_6847713@aol.com>
> Buy Moving Pictures. Buy Moving Pictures. Buy Moving Pictures.
> Buy Moving Pictures. Ad infinitum... :)
Ditto. This is my one album on a desert island. Hey, Tom Sawyer, Red
Barchetta, YYZ, and Limelight all on the same side of an album? It should be
criminal, really. Also, Geddy's Fender Jazz tone on MP is the fattest, rounde
st, in-your-face bass sound EVER recorded. If for nothing else than this
album, he would be a legend. Not that his Wal sound is anything to turn your
nose up at either.
O.K., I'm sick of always bitching about FW. I'm getting old enough to
realize that unless you have a remedy, don't complain. So I'll try either No
Exit or Perfect Symmetry, whichever I can find REALLY cheap. Until then, not
another word from me. Promise.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 10:27:00 +0900
From: Kaoru Kobayashi <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: A Kick into a Dream - Sorry!!
Message-ID: <199501260137.KAA25046@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>
It's really stupid of me!!!
>and he mentioned one called "Kick Into A Dream" Has anyone heard
>anything about this one?
IT'S FROM 28th OCT 1994 (Of course, not 1995! ;), AT MANHATTAN CENTER IN NY.
James definitely says "New York" on the CD. Sorry for throwing many people
into confusion!!
Set list is as following:
CD 1:
Intro / Pull Me Under
6:00
Take the Time
Caught in a Web
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
CD2:
The Mirror
Lie
Another Day
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
Metropolis
Kaoru
<gch06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
p.s. I just came back from Sendai... DT Japan tour ended.... I was out for
these 3 days, and many mails came to my mail box. So please give me time to
answer the mails! Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 20:37 EST
From: armstron@allware.com (Scott Armstrong)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: am I the oldest Y'jammer?
Message-ID: <m0rXJ98-000139C@zot.allware.com>
I figured that I'd get into the act on this one. I'm 36 and was exposed to DT
quite by accident last spring. I was picking up a couple of old Yes discs to
replace LP's and the salesman at the music store made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. He told me that if I didn't like I&W, he'd buy it back from me. I put
it in my changer and listened to it on the way home, brought it in and
listened to it again at home, and the rest is history. I was fortunate enough
to see them in Baltimore last October and I still haven't recovered from the
shock.
Enjoy all!
Scott
The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change...
Genesis, Selling England by the Pound, Firth of Fifth
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:38:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Richard <rfguy@is.dal.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Difficulty of DT...Keeping up with the LaBries
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501252133.B115342-0100000@is.dal.ca>
On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, William B. Moore wrote:
> I don't think James is as comfortable with the new singing style
> as he was on IAW, and the performance just isn't as intense. (I _do_ think
> it came across much better live).
On the contrary. In an interview (can't remember where I saw it) James
said that on this album he whent back to his original style of singing.
That was the way he had sung in every other band, until he joined DT.
[sneaks back into lurker pen]
Richard
--
Revulse to repatriate and excise appendages, in fitful spasms.
CCC
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:12:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Fates
Message-ID: <0j9kIHS00iV4A_z8BJ@andrew.cmu.edu>
Just thought I'd throw in a couple words...
First of all, one reason why many people on this list do not seem
to "get" Fates Warning is that they are much darker than Dream Theater.
You won't find a Fates song resembling the mood of Surrounded. The lyrics
and music are much more pessimistic and depressing than DT's, which tend
to soar...even in the darker pieces, DT almost always has a light at the
end of the tunnel sort thing, which is very appealing to many people,
myself included. Fates is not devoid of this (I recommend Exodus off
Awaken the Guardian), but it is much rarer...and you won't find *any* of
it if the only album you have is Parallels.
Because of this fundamental difference, Fates' music doesn't soar the
way DT does in Take the Time, LTL, etc. If it did, that would seem quite
incongruous with the lyrics. So there's not nearly as much flash. It would
be inappropriate. So basically, the first thing is this: If you can't
get into the mood, if you're always happy, you may never like Fates Warning.
Most people probably would get the mood under the right circumstances.
Th attitude is rather depressing and fatalistic (the band's name is
very appropriate) and best summed up, I think, in the lyrics to Perfect
Symmetry. I think this is the quintessential Fates album (even though it
isn't my favorite). It's also the most progressive, and sounds the most
like Dream Theater.
So anyway, if you think you could get into the mood but have heard, say,
Parallels, and been unimpressed, here's my advice.
a) Don't sell Parallels. It takes a very long time to appreciate this album.
I didn't care for it all that much for a long time, but now, depending
on my mood, it's one of my favorites. If you're trying to get into it,
don't start with track one. Go for Life in Still Water, The Eleventh
Hour, or Point of View.
b) Most progressive album is Perfect Symmetry. Excellent cameo work by Kevin
Moore and some violinist whose name escapes me. Kev appears on track
5 and totally kicks ass in unison with Frank Aresti. This is the most
DT-sounding album and I personally think a DT collection is incomplete
without Kevin's work here. It's like the lost DT song (Metropolis Part
0.9)
c) If you're into heavy, go for No Exit. One of the heaviest albums ever
recorded in my opinion. Tons heavier than Parallels, if that's what
you've based your opinion of Fates on.
d) My personal favorite is Awaken the Guardian. John Arch's voice can be
annoying, but his use of it is nothing short of brilliant. The melodies
and harmonies (vocal and guitar) are beautiful. Also fairly heavy.
For mood, this comes closest to DT. Very dark and yet hopeful. The
lyrics for the most part are unimpressive, but what isn't expressed
well in English is said infinitely better by the music of Arch's
voice. And some of the lyrics (Guardian and Exodus) are in my opinion
outstanding...not flawless, but powerful and inspiring. Exodus is
the escape from all the depressing stuff Fates is usually about.
well, there's my comments...
-max
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Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@CMU.EDU
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 19:06:38 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Difficult drums
Message-ID: <199501260306.TAA28933@netcom13.netcom.com>
I would have to second that Metropolis is the most complex drumming wise
with Another Hand/the Killing Hand running a close second...
-The Doc
Under A Glass Moon is no easy song to play either...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 22:29:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: DON'T DISS FATES W.
Message-ID: <kj9lQBC00iUzM=JbNk@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail: 25-Jan-95 DON'T DISS FATES W. by James Peele@unf6.cis.unf
> I'm telling you, if you doubt Fates Warning you may have serious
> psychological problems.
Actually I think serious psychological problems can *help* one
appreciate Fates Warning.
-max
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Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@CMU.EDU
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:37:12 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 661
Message-ID: <199501260337.VAA21771@galaxy.galstar.com>
>
>
> >>The beginning to the Mirror... also entitled Puppies on Acid has been
> >>around for Quite a while.
> >
> >If the Images tour's beginnig to TTT (also the beginning to the Mirror) is
> >Puppies on Acid, then what's the title of the jam after 'To Live Forever'
> >on the LitS boot?
>
> Well, Eric, I might be wrong, but I THINK that it is called Moon
> Bubbles. Gee, these titles REALLY fit the songs. Well, with the volume swells
> with the peddle, I guess it kinda WOULD fit- Alex
>
I always assumed Moon Bubbles because of the weird circle like shapes
that moved around stange on the Live in Toyko vid.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 22:25:54 +0100
From: "Olaf Peters" <olf@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
To: "Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: 6:00
Message-ID: <30908552@indigo.biba.uni-bremen.de>
Hi 'Jammers!
I can't figure out what is beeing said in the beginning (and the end) of 6:00
("What ... I know ... Mary Jane"), could anybody of you native-speakers please
tell me?
My girlfriend also thinks those words are taken from a movie, is that true?
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Greetings,
Olf
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 23:04:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: electric violins
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950125230125.13444A-100000@sparc.isl.net>
I just have to add to the list of excellent Jean-Luc Ponty albums to
listen to for great electric violin work. I'd personally have to
recommend _Tchokola_. It has lots of neat African and other ethnic
styles of percussion underneath it too. Definitely an album to check out...
Jeff Stewart
jstewart@sparc.isl.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 14:51:17 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: DT/FW Comparisons
Message-ID: <kj9eipy00YUsA=yLhy@andrew.cmu.edu>
jhaynes@connix.com (Jeremy Haynes) writes:
> Aerosmith [etc., insert your favorite "sell-out" here]) have "all been
> around a pretty long time" and "are already "bigger" than DT will ever be"
> then "maybe there is a good reason for it" - uhh nah....Record Sales +
this reminds me of when i posted to the 'ultimate headbanging song'
thread on some metal newsgroup that i think Anarchy Divine from No
Exit is the u.h.s. and i also said that pantera's overrated and i
think they suck... some dumbass responded to me personally and said
'well, how come i've heard of pantera and not anarchy divine?
obviously one of them had the talent to make it...' one of the most
clueless things i'd ever heard... so i sent him a big long reply
explaining why pantera made it big and why fates, not having any real
image and no label support, are still small, although they've been
around as long or longer than pantera and put out more interesting
music. i also told him to check out no exit and tell me its not an
excellent album, but i havent heard back from him at all... i doubt he
did... that would be too uncluless
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
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guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 20:52:51 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: SDV Samples
Message-ID: <9501260452.AA18815@teng6.fmt>
>
> I remember someone posting the name of the movie that kevin took samples from
> for Space Dye Vest. I'd like to rent it.
A Room With A View.
(and I still think that part about the heat and Houston, etc.
is from Biloxi Blues, but I guess I'll have to rent it before
I stick my neck out any further)
Zach
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 20:51:02 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Youngest DT fan? Metropolis pt. 1...
Message-ID: <9501260451.AA18812@teng6.fmt>
>
>
> My younger sister, who is 10 is a huge DT fan. Is she one of the
> youngest fans out there
Probably. On a related note, when we went to see Metallica last
summer, on our way out the door my friend asked his little 3 year
old boy, "What song am I going to see?", and the kid replied,
"Blackened!" And a few years ago, another friend of mine had a
boy about 2 years old that would stand in front of the stereo and
stamp his feet while listening attentively only when Rush was
playing. Smart kid.
> Is there a sequal to Metropolis pt. 1? Is the sequal "A Mind
> Beside Itself"? or is the sequal "Dance of Eternity"? Or am I just over
> analyizing things and there is in fact no sequal yet?
There is no sequel as of yet although DT hasn't ruled that possibility
out. The title of Metropolis is probably akin to Rush's Gangster of
Boats "trilogy".
Zach
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