YTSEJAM Digest 903
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 902
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
2) Providence gig
by david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
3) 1986 Demo.
by Greg "Big Brother" Lee <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
4) Boot question
by psifire@netcom.com (Mathew W. Yee)
5) Dream Theater Concert in RI
by James Utz 25-Jul-1995 1316 <utz@pcbuoa.enet.dec.com>
6) Sort of DT related
by Howard Roark <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
7) The Drummer IS most important
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
8) what happened to Ulrich Roth?
by Alexander John Cochran <cochran@unixg.ubc.ca>
9) re: PMU as module
by mwibach@students.wisc.edu (Cool! Email from Mike!)
10) Jarrod's request - revisited
by JennieBear@aol.com
11) Re: JP Guitar Giveaway
by "JOEL HARRELD" <JHARRELD@sbuniv.edu>
12) Videography
by JennieBear@aol.com
13) ACoS EP
by mpatrick@netusa1.net (Mike Patrick)
14) Aerosmith & Queensryche Unplugged
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
15) Re: The Drummer IS most important
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
17) CYGNUS UPDATE
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
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Date: 25 Jul 1995 09:26:09 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 902
Message-ID: <199507251427.AA08552@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 07/25/95 09:03
Concerning the most important player in the band....my vote goes to guitar AND
vox. First, I hate bad to average singing. The human voice was meant to fly so
set the bad boy free. Also, most of the stuff I listen to is that rock and
roll stuff all the kids are listening to nowadays. This is guitar driven
material, friends. Think of how many bands have had average rhythm sections
and were still considered great: Extreme (great players but not given any
special standout status), Mr. Big (I'm talking about Torpey, here), the
Beatles (UUUGGHH!!! Ringo?!?!?!?!?!). I know these are only a few examples and
I'm not saying bass and drums aren't important...if they weren't, Peter, Paul
and Mary would still be in business. It's just that a band can be considered
great or highly entertaining if the rhythm section is just solid. Maybe hard
rock is too stuck in the guitar-god phase that without the amazing axe a band
seems lifeless. To me I'd rather hear a band with an average rythm section and
great guitar and vocals than the other way around.
P.S. This comes from a listener's POV. Things even out a lot more for me when
coming from a musician's standpoint. Yes, then I think rhythm's most impotant,
but it becomes a very grey area because everybody better have chops. Great
cop-out there, huh?
Steve
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 10:22:35 -0400
From: david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Providence gig
Message-ID: <9507251422.AA14805@pharlap.ci.com>
Could the Boston-area Ytsejammers that are going to the DT show in
Providence please get in touch with me? I have a car and would like
to work out some carpooling, etc. I also haven't gotten a ticket yet,
and since I assume the Strand is reserved seating (it's like The
Orpheum, no?), if anyone also hasn't gotten their seats yet (or has an
extra ticket), I'ld rather sit with another 'jammer, than by myself.
W 617-271-9300 x225
H 617-324-1285
David Kuznick - david@ci.com (preferred) or dkuznick@world.std.com ___
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Don't be surprised when daylight comes ()~L~()
To find that memory prick your thumbs (_)-(_)
You'll tell them where we run to hide - "Afraid of Sunlight" - MARILLION
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:27:36 -0400
From: Greg "Big Brother" Lee <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: 1986 Demo.
Message-ID: <199507251627.MAA14575@hal.mkm.aix.can.ibm.com>
Hello all...just mere hours now until the QR show...4th row...gotta like it.
Anyhow, I picked up the Official (???) 1986 Majesty Demo at HMV in Toronto.
It cost me $45 plus both Jean and Mike's taxes...DOH! It is packaged in a
black liner that say something like Dream Theater while performing as Majesty.
The official 1986 Demo. Is this for real...I figured it was a bootleg, but it
is not like HMV to carry such things...
Greg.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 09:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: psifire@netcom.com (Mathew W. Yee)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Boot question
Message-ID: <199507251656.JAA22325@netcom10.netcom.com>
[lurking device off]
Gotta question for those in the know:
I saw two copies of a boot called _Mind Control_ at a local store. From the
set list of this 2CD collection, it's from an _Awake_ show in Japan
with a couple of bonus tracks from the Ronny Scotts gig. (I think "Winter"
was one of the tracks.
I'm wondering if it's worth getting. I don't remember seeing anyone talk
about this, so I'm curious if anyone has a copy and can relate quality info.
What I mean is: how's the sound quality? Is it soundboard, or is it some
guy in the audience with a good rig, or is it some guy outside with a
shotgun mike?
If no one realates, I may just pick it up and give my impression, but I'd
rather not waste my hard earn $$$ on a horrible boot.
[lurking device on]
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 13:22:24 EDT
From: James Utz 25-Jul-1995 1316 <utz@pcbuoa.enet.dec.com>
To: mail11:;@us4rmc.pko.dec.com@us4rmc.pko.dec.com (@ytsejam),
Subject: Dream Theater Concert in RI
Message-ID: <9507251722.AA25923@us4rmc.pko.dec.com>
Howdy,
I just picked up my tickets for the Rhode Island concert on Aug. 3.
Does anybody know what "The Strand" is like? Is it a club (indoor) or an
amphitheater? How many people does it hold?
By the way, the ticket says "THE STRAND PRESENTS DREAM THEATRE".
Why do people keep spelling it wrong?
James
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Howard Roark <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Sort of DT related
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950725134600.29061G-100000@rac9.wam.umd.edu>
Some of you might like this, so here it goes...
One of my friends only likes rap music. However, he plays a little piano
here and there. A few weeks ago, he heard "wait for sleep" when he was
in my room. He said it was nice. Well, he called me last night and told
me that he knows how to play this song for piano. I guess that's a
start...he MIGHT become a DT fan. But given the fact that he only likes
rap, I don't think he'll be a convert.
...Brandon
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:25:42 -0400
From: FilDBaskt@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The Drummer IS most important
Message-ID: <950725152538_40486184@aol.com>
In a progressive band it is definetly the drummer who drives the music and is
the most important part of a band that hopes to be good. This best way to
show this is by process of elimination:
Guitarist: Now you can say that a great guitarist is everything, but it
doesn't drive the music and give it the feel that is so important to prog.
music. The guitarists in prog music instead are there for show. Prog
guitarists put on the show for the audience with there solos. I mean JP is
great and all, but as far as basic riffs go, he doesn't write many catchy
riffs. This is why prg music really isn't all that riff based.
Bassist: No offense to bassists out there, but bass is almost always a
background instrument which stands out the least in nearly any kind of music,
especially prog. Because of this, a poor bassist in a prog band really
wouldn't make all that mushc difference.
Keyboardist and Singer: These guys are really common. Good singers and
keyboardists are a dime a dozen. It's just a matter of getting one to play
prog music as opposed to classical music or other more singer and piano
oriented music.
Drummer: A Good drummer is incredibly rare in general, and even more so
outside of Jazz. If you listen to rock music, maybe one in every hundred
bands you hear on the radio has a really good drummer. A prog band needs a
really great drummer. Being a drummer I can honestly say that I have barely
ever heard a drummer on a non-prog rock album that was any good(good compared
to other drummers, not from the standpoint of a non-drummer). And in prog
music the drummer definetly brings it all together and makes it all flow and
that's why he is most important.
Phil
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alexander John Cochran <cochran@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: what happened to Ulrich Roth?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950725132147.28742A-100000@interchg.ubc.ca>
Can any guitar fans out there tell me what happened to one of my
favourite 70's guitar heroes, Ulrich Roth ( ex Scorpions, Electric Sun )?
I lost track of his career after "Beyond the Astral Skies", way back in
1985. I would appreciate any information as to what he's up to musically
and how I can obtain any new recordings. thanks!
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:10:13 -0500
From: mwibach@students.wisc.edu (Cool! Email from Mike!)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: re: PMU as module
Message-ID: <ac3ac5ca010210040dba@[144.92.219.179]>
Cool! This would definetly be neat. I'd like to hear Dream Theater songs
with all the parts, not just drums.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:35:40 -0400
From: JennieBear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Jarrod's request - revisited
Message-ID: <950725173539_40572421@aol.com>
Some weeks ago, Jarrod asked our fellow Ytsejammers to help bombard one of
our local rock stations, 93 Rock, with e-mail. I don't know if the initial
address was correct (or possibly changed), but the address listed in the "93
Rock Insider" I received lists krxq93rock@aol.com
If you need some fuel to motivate you, let me add this quote from today's
*Sacramento Bee* (in the weekly broadcasting column by Dan Vierria):
"Modern rocker KWOD (106.5 FM) pulled its highest rating since 1988 and its
sixth consecutive finish in the top 10 (No. 6 this time). The modern rock
format is red hot, which is why traditional album rocker 93 Rock (KRXQ, 93.7
RM) has strayed in that direction and with good results (No. 7 is its highest
ranking in nine months)."
Personally, I have written to 93 Rock to tell them I want to hear more
progressive rock (as it fits better in their format), and if I want to hear
Live, R.E.M., U2, Green Day, and NIN (all of which are currently in
rotation!!), I'll go listen to KWOD!
Jen
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"Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan
"I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:47:22 CDT
From: "JOEL HARRELD" <JHARRELD@sbuniv.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: JP Guitar Giveaway
Message-ID: <4F7D00A637A@sbumast.sbuniv.edu>
Hello Jammers,
I just got the new issue of "Guitar for the Practicing Musician"
Sept. '95 w/ David Gilmour interview. Run out and get it because on
page 63 they're giving away an Ibanez JPM100 John Petrucci Model
guitar. Best of all you can inter throught the internet. Email your
name, address, and phone number to 74774.2131@compuserve.com. Make
sure you specify that your're entering the "Dream Theater" giveaway.
BTW the ten runners'up get the ACOS CD (the winner does too but that
pales compared to the guitar). Also ONE ENTRY PER PERSON.
If you need more info, email me at jharreld@sbuniv.edu.
They're only making 100 of the guitars so it should be quite valuable.
Cheers,
Joel
Non-DT content: Extrme's new drummer really kicks. He lays down a
killer groove and also manages some very cool fills. Check out "Hip
Today" and "No Respect". If you want to discuss him further email me
privately and we can keep traffic off the jam.
**********************************************************************
Joel Harreld jharreld@sbuniv.edu
"Thou shall not give unto life with out love." - Dokken
"When I die, I want to go peacefully, like my grandfather did.
In his sleep, not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his
car."
- Unknown
Heb. 11:6
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:06:47 -0400
From: JennieBear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Videography
Message-ID: <950725200643_122880035@aol.com>
I know that this has been brought up before, but the list has changed
slightly... Could someone tell me the videography for DT and a little bit
about what each of the videos is like? (And I mean music videos, not concert
videos.)
Jen
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"I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:26:11 -0400
From: mpatrick@netusa1.net (Mike Patrick)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACoS EP
Message-ID: <199507260237.VAA12340@web.netusa1.net>
>>I just got an advance cassette of Dream Theater's new e.p., "A Change of
>>Seasons," and I regret to tell everyone who thought otherwise that it does
>>NOT contain a cover of "Tears," or any other Rush song.
>>
>>On side 2 is live covers of Elton John, Zeppelin, Queen, Kansas, DP,
>>Pink Floyd, Journey, Genesis and Dixie Dregs, but nothing from the Boys.
>>
>>BTW, side 1 is a 22-minute version of "A Change of Seasons," which is
>>released legit when this e.p. comes out September 19.
I'm choking. Where is 'To Live Forever' and 'Eve'? Have I been sleeping
and missed something??????????? Do I need to buy singles to get these????
BTW, I'm a parent too, although I don't often expose my youngster (15
months) to DT, sad to say. Raffi is more his speed.
Mike Patrick
mpatrick@netusa1.net
Still searching for that elusive corner of the Net where civility is all the
rage and the content is substantive. Ah, screw it. Who am I kidding?
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam )
Cc: garion@indirect.com (Michael Bahr)
Subject: Aerosmith & Queensryche Unplugged
Message-ID: <199507260254.WAA09182@grex.cyberspace.org>
Sorry no DT content:
A friend and I are looking for copies (Preferably on CD) of The
MTV Unplugged shows, in their entirity, that Aerosmith and Queensryche
performed.
Please, please help us! Thanx in advance.
-John
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:09:57 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: The Drummer IS most important
Message-ID: <199507260909.CAA22186@netcom18.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, FilDBaskt@aol.com said:
>In a progressive band it is definetly the drummer who drives the music and is
>
>Bassist: No offense to bassists out there, but bass is almost always a
>background instrument which stands out the least in nearly any kind of music,
>especially prog. Because of this, a poor bassist in a prog band really
>wouldn't make all that mushc difference.
>
I think you are underestimating the importance of the bassist here. In
prog music, I think the bassist is almost just as important as the
drummer, why? Because the rhythm section in progressive music has to be
exceptional. Let's look at Queensryche, Rage for Order, what would it be
without it's bass lines. Example; Dream in Infrared. John Myung's bass
playing is crucial, i.e. Take the Time, Learning to Live, The Ones Who
Help to Set the Sun. A poor bassist makes ALL the difference, if the
bassist sucks, the rhythm section could not keep up with the drummer even
if the drummer was god.
>Keyboardist and Singer: These guys are really common. Good singers and
>keyboardists are a dime a dozen. It's just a matter of getting one to play
>prog music as opposed to classical music or other more singer and piano
>oriented music.
>
Baloney! A horrible keyboardist can actually TAKE AWAY from the
progressive sound. Another factor is the keyboard playing technique.
It's not easy to "just play prog music".
>Drummer: A Good drummer is incredibly rare in general, and even more so
>outside of Jazz. If you listen to rock music, maybe one in every hundred
>bands you hear on the radio has a really good drummer. A prog band needs a
>really great drummer. Being a drummer I can honestly say that I have barely
>ever heard a drummer on a non-prog rock album that was any good(good compared
>to other drummers, not from the standpoint of a non-drummer). And in prog
>music the drummer definetly brings it all together and makes it all flow and
>that's why he is most important.
>
Drummers are important, but let's not forget, it's the band that
matters. If the drummer is great and all the rest are sub-par, you
might as well play grunge.
>Phil
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:00:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: garion@indirect.com
Subject: ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE
Message-ID: <199507260900.CAA09678@bud.indirect.com>
DREAM THEATER: "ACOUSTIC DREAMS"
Information and Update
Current to 7/25/1995
Hi all! This is the latest information on Acoustic Dreams, the new
LIMITED EDITION Dream Theater CD I will be producing.
============================================================================
DISCLAIMER: Acoustic Dreams falls into a grey area of law as an uncopyrighted
recording produced in such a manner that at least one facet of the production
occurs in a country (namely Italy) in which it is legal to do so. In the USA,
it is permissible to sell used import CDs only if they are labeled as such.
This is such a CD. Be aware that the various powers-that-be are collecting
nothing for this.
============================================================================
Of course, that's all cover-my-butt lawyerspeak. I hope you all will
want to be a part of this. I make roughly minimum wage doing it, so you know
I'm not out to scam you. In all humility, I appeal to anyone who might not
think too kindly of my endeavor, and ask that they might give me the benefit
of the doubt on this one. Friends? :)
1. What is Acoustic Dreams?
2. What is the release schedule?
3. How can I get my own copy of Acoustic Dreams?
============================================================================
1. What is Acoustic Dreams?
Hi all! Allow me to introduce myself, if you aren't familiar with me
yet. I'm Mike Bahr, humble maker of special-edition CDs. I noticed a lot of
the mass-manufactured bootleg offerings were spiralling quite high in price
and yet offered little for the die-hard fan, and I concocted a scheme by
which I could make around minimum wage by producing CDs on my own, CDs that
would fill the demand for REAL rarities and special songs, unreleased items,
live shows, and the like.
Basically, since no CD plant will print them for me, I have to rent
studio and equipment time and do it myself. So far, it's working. :)
Fortunately, and for this I am very relieved, my CD efforts so far
have been incredibly well-received by the net community, especially the
Ytsejam mailing list. I just do what I can do and leave the rest up to God,
and I guess the Almighty isn't disappointing you folks. People from all walks
of life, all countries of the world, both sexes, all races, and all religions
have joined in on the Subconscious and Cygnus projects, and I am very happy
to have you all along for the ride. I'll keep making CDs as long as you folks
are willing to keep buying them. Thanks so _very_ much... :)
And now, it's time to get Acoustic Dreams together.
Well, this is the next CD I'm doing, also known as Dream Theater
Unplugged. We were given a VERY high-quality soundboard tape of DT's recent
Unplugged performance in Europe, and it can only be fully expressed in the
form of a CD. Trust me. :) Furthermore, I've gone to some efforts to acquire
more Dream Theater acoustic rarities to include. I am fervently hoping that
the finished product is well-liked.
Here's the tentative tracklisting from Acoustic Dreams...
1. Another Day (laid-back version)
2. Lifting Shadows off a Dream (IMHO, far better than the album version)
3. Wait For Sleep (acoustic GUITAR on this one, no piano!)
4. The Silent Man
5. Lie (boogie version) - this is really a trip to hear
6. Tears (Rush cover, done acoustically, very beautiful)
7. O Holy Night
8. Voices
9. <tba, I'm leaving this slot open if I can clean up a certain song>
10. Perfect Strangers (with Bruce Dickinson on vocals)
11. A Change of Season (with Chris Cintron on vocals)
I'm still revising this slightly, but if I created the master DAT
today, that would be what it would look like. I'm still open to additions or
suggestions, but hurry, as I have to do stuff WAY in advance to get a CD
project underway.
Note that I might knock out ACOS to put three or four other songs on
it... being as how it's so long.
2. What is the release schedule?
Here is the current schedule of releases as I see it (all dates estimated):
07/30/1995 - Rush: Cygnus released/shipping (this is more or less solid)
08/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" ordering begins
09/30/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" released/shipping
10/15/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" ordering begins
11/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" ordering begins
11/30/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" released/shipping
12/25/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" released/shipping
02/--/1996 - Rush: To be announced
04/--/1996 - Live or Type O-Negative: To be announced
06/--/1996 - Dream Theater: To be announced
Here are a few descriptions to keep your curiosity satiated :)
Dream Theater "Subconscious"
Released 04/03/1995 - Limited print of 500 copies - sold out
Contained Dream Theater rarities including A Change of Season.
Rush "Cygnus"
To be released 07/30/1995 - Unlimited print - still taking orders
Contains a rare soundboard show from the Hemispheres tour.
Dream Theater "Acoustic Dreams"
To be released 09/30/1995 - Limited print of 500 copies
Contains beautiful unplugged performances.
Public Affection "The Death of a Dictionary"
To be released 11/30/1995 - Unlimited print
Is actually +Live+'s little-known first album, released in 1989,
two years before their 1991 breakthrough Mental Jewelry. Demand for
this one is skyrocketing, and the Jam gets first shot at it.
Dream Theater "When Dream and Today Unite"
To be released 12/25/1995 - Limited print of either 500 or 1000.
Contains the songs from Dream and Day only with James LaBrie on
vocals. Collected from MANY sources and optimized for quality.
The following are all "Work in Progress" releases...
Rush "A Symptom of Life" - from 12/20/81 2nd gen soundboard
Contains a LOT of neat stuff. a LOT. But very long... 2 CD set?
Rush "Thoughtlace" - from 3/24/81 audience MASTER in stereo
This one has unbelievable good sound quality. It's a tossup whether
to take this or Symptom, since both are so good but so similar.
Rush "Sleight of Mind" - from a remastered 6/25/75 Toronto
This tour has been very underrepresented in available material, so
who knows, if S.H.'s cleanup efforts turn out good...
+Live+ "Disenchanting Discourse" - from a 10/25/94 audience MASTER in stereo
It might be released, it might not, depending on many things. If you
would like to see it released, please let me know and let as many
people know as you can. I tend to find ways to release things when
I find an overwhelming demand for them. :)
Type O-Negative "Deathgrip" - from a 5/30/94 audience MASTER in stereo
A great setlist and decent sound. Only my worries about how many
copies I can sell prevent this. I can't undertake anything less than
a potential sellout project or I risk going under. Again, if this is
a title you'd like to see, you can make it happen. All I need is a
lot of interest, and away we go!
Dream Theater... oh who knows, there's so much good stuff.
3. How can I order a copy of Acoustic Dreams?
I'm not telling yet. Nyah-nyah. Though, actually, you could just as
well find my address and such in the Cygnus ad. But honestly, I need you all
to hold off on the orders JUST FOR NOW until I get some shipping of the Cygnus
CD's done.. then I'll let you all at it! :)
Believe me, I WILL be making darn good and sure that you all know
everything you need to know to get a copy of Acoustic Dreams. After all, if
nobody buys it, what would be the point? :)
Well, that about wraps things up for the moment...take care all.
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
"Les Poissons, les poissons, how I LOVE les poissons!
Love to CHOP And to SERVE Little fish!" - the chef from The Little Mermaid
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:00:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: garion@indirect.com
Subject: CYGNUS UPDATE
Message-ID: <199507260900.CAA09834@bud.indirect.com>
CYGNUS CD PROJECT UPDATE / SUBCONSCIOUS CONCLUSION
ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE
current to 7/25/95
This is an update on the status of orders and such things on the
Rush "Cygnus" CD... made available exclusively to the members of the Ytsejam
list before anybody else. :)
EVEN QUICKER UPDATE: I am in a position to produce it immediately upon the
receipt of my supplies order. Thanks guys! I'm going to spend the interim
getting Acoustic Dreams together.
EXPECTED DELIVERY DATE: Yes, I was given one. I will have all I need to begin
CD shipments by 8/3/95, I am assured by my supplier. Here's hoping! They had
to run past the weekend due to shipping-on-the-weekend snarfblatt.
Here's the no-wait address and cost. Read on for further info on the CD.
$23 check, money order, or cashier's check/traveler's cheque to:
Michael Bahr
3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
Chandler, AZ 85224
PLEASE SPECIFY that it's Cygnus you want. I do a lot of mailing and may not
realize what it is that's being purchased.
QUICKIE UPDATE:
Well, we're still just waiting on delivery, that's all... everything else is
done. I have mailing packets, stamped and addressed to the first 150 or so
orders, sitting open like baby sparrows, waiting to be fed a CD and sent. :)
ACOUSTIC DREAMS: Also known as Dream Theater Unplugged. I have begun work on
this already and will begin taking orders for it shortly, possibly when the
shipments of Cygnus are in (why have two pre-order things going at once...)
or earlier if you all want. More info on this CD in another post, which will
follow this one. :)
SUBCONSCIOUS: The CDs are finally _gone_. Every copy has been sold. I've even
sold my own personal extra copies. I can't believe this was so popular!
Will Subconscious ever be made again? Unless some Italian company copies it,
I am sorry to say it will not. One of the explicit conditions I set forth
when I made the disc was that it would be very special and limited, and I
would be breaking my confidence with the people who have bought it under the
understanding it would be a unique, rare release. I swear I don't mean to make
people miss out... but a promise is a promise. Would people trust me when I
say "get it now" if they could get it a year later? I calculate not. :)
THANKS EVERYONE for being a part of this! You all RULE! :)
DISCLAIMER: Cygnus falls into a grey area under law as an uncopyrighted
recording produced in such a manner that at least one facet of the production
occurs in a country (namely Italy) in which it is legal to do so. In the USA,
it is permissible to sell used import CDs only if they are labeled as such.
This is such a CD. Be aware that the various powers-that-be are collecting
nothing for this.
Of course, that's all cover-my-butt lawyerspeak. I hope you all will
want to be a part of this. I make roughly minimum wage doing it, so you know
I'm not out to scam you. In all humility, I appeal to anyone who might not
think too kindly of my endeavor, and ask that they might give me the benefit
of the doubt on this one. Friends? :)
1. What the hell is Cygnus?
2. When can I order and how?
3. Orders received.
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1. What the hell is Cygnus?
Hi all, I'm Mike Bahr, humble maker of special edition CDs. Earlier
this year, I made available a special, _very_ limited edition Dream Theater
CD called Subconscious. I didn't know if the project would work at all,
since I had to use my own money to finance the project, and had to be very
close on costs to even make it a non-loss financially. But you responded,
Ytsejammers!
The CD sold, sold, and sold some more. In fact, the entire limited
edition print of 500 copies, each hand-numbered and signed in gold by myself,
sold out entirely to you, the most devoted fans of Dream Theater on earth.
And I do mean _Earth_! I got orders from the USA, Canada, Mexico,
Japan, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Austria, Great Britain, Ireland, Denmark,
the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Israel, Singapore,
Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Greece, and a few more countries I am sure
I have forgotten to mention. Truly, the WORLD made Subconscious a success for
me and for the Jam, so I'm going to hope that Cygnus will be another one! My
heart goes out to all of you in every country of the world for joining in!
What I did was work with a pressing plant using rental equipment and
some of my own as well, and an exhausting three months of preparation,
packaging, and mailing, not to mention production of the CD, and a million
other things, and made it a reality. I was relieved beyond words when I read
the positive comments people had for it online.
Cygnus is the project I will do to fill the gap between Spring 1995's
Subconscious and Autumn 1995's WHEN DREAM AND JAMES UNITE. Cygnus will be a
recording from an ultra-rare Rush show, the single best sounding Rush show in
existence, from the mystical Hemispheres tour of 1978-79. It is an unlimited
print, but there will likely not be more than 1000 ever made.
Here's the information on the show.
Title: Rush "Cygnus"
Source: True soundboard reel-to-reel, original length 81 min
Running time: 73 min
Venue: Convention Center Arena (TCC Arena)
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Date: November 20, 1978
Generation: Transferred to 48kHz DAT from a 2nd gen analog.
Quality: Beyond comparison. Higher than "Oakland '92" and "Pinkpop".
Setlist:
Anthem
A Passage to Bangkok
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
I. At the Tobes of Hades
II. Across the Styx
III. Of The Battle
Xanadu
Something for Nothing
The Trees
Cygnus X-1 Book 1: The Voyage
Cygnus X-1 Book 2: Hemispheres
I. Prelude
II. Apollo
III. Dionysus
IV. Armageddon
V. Cygnus
VI. The Sphere
Circumstances
A Farewell to Kings
Note that La Villa Strangiato had to be cut or else I couldn't fit
the Cygnus saga on the CD! I'm sorry about that, I hope it won't kill the
experience for anybody. They had some sound problems during that song
anyhow, so in a way, maybe you _don't_ want to hear it.
Also on the original tape was a cut-off version of the beginning of 2112,
the Overture and then half of the Temples section. In order to make Cygnus
fit onto a single CD, I cut those seven minutes out of the DAT. Everyone
has a live 2112 on ATWAS album, anyway.
Now that I sort of "have the hang of it" where CDs are concerned, I
have put together some colorful art for the CD and cover. For those who didn't
get one, Subconscious had a gold-on-black motif, much like the Terminator-2
and Star Wars laserdisc box-sets. It was dignified, and direct. And now, for
Cygnus, I want to really make people say "wow!" The cover is pretty wicked
looking, I'll try and post a copy.
2. Where can I order and how?
Okay, here's the deal. Anyone remember how long it took my blanks
shipment to get to me when I did Subconscious? Twenty-nine days, it did. And
I placed the order for Cygnus blanks a few weeks ago. Used a faster supplier.
Now, this time, I originally had planned not to even ANNOUNCE Cygnus until
I had the CDs in hand. However, so many of you are leaving for the summer
and/or want early copies like last time, that I will go ahead and do a pre-
order deal again.
Why, you may ask, should I send the money, if I won't get the CD for
a while, though?
Well, you don't have to. But you can. I strongly urge you to consider
it. Here's why.
Here's how it works. I don't want anyone feeling uncomfortable sending
me a payment when in all truth, your CD might take a month to get to you. So
I will divulge as much information as I can to make it a sound decision on
your part. For those who wish to wait, there will be NO penalty; simply order
when I get the CDs in shipment. For those who order early, in an effort to
reward their confidence in my project and in gratitude for them getting the
ball rolling early, I will be shipping CDs out in the order they were
received... thus, you'll get it sooner. Furthermore, this time I'm going to
run a little contest. A random 25 people in the first 300 orders (this will
be done with a computer randomizer) will get a free copy of a special video
montage, just as an added bonus and a thank-you for being a part of this. I
think I might make two or three different montages and throw them in at
random into the sets... one Rush, one Dream Theater, one Live, one Queensryche
and maybe one of all sorts of progressive bands. Or more! :)
How to order!!!
Remember when Subconscious came out, and I said certain costs were
permanent, and had gone into the production cost? I didn't lie... Cygnus will
be CHEAPER than Subconscious was. The price will be $23. For anyone in Canada
ordering, add only $1 for postage. For anyone outside North America, add $2
for postage (so it would be the same price as Sub) and that will take care of
it. There's a lot of bean-counting that I do to come up with those numbers,
so trust me, it's what it amounts to. Plus, you can order as MANY Cygnus discs
as you want, because you on the Jam are getting a shot at it before I offer
it anywhere else. Also, it's still $25 for NON-Ytsejammers. Check out my posts
to alt.music.rush and a.m.dt, you'll find it's true. Naturally, if you have
friends who want a copy of Cygnus, they can get it at the $23 price, same as
you Jammers.
Please use a money order if you can. The reason is simple: it's safe!
I know you paid and you know I have it (it's traceable). And you know if you
don't get a CD or a refund, I'll go to jail.
For international orders, I will indeed accept cash if you wish. I
urge you to be careful, because every order for Subconscious that contained
cash made it safely to me, but that might not always be the case. I don't
want anybody to lose their money. For orders of 2 or more Cygnus discs,
a travellers cheque or international money order is economical to use. If
you decide to use cash, please wrap it tight in a thick envelope and try to
hide it, so that nobody will steal it.
Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. It will actually be closer to
4 or 4 and a half weeks, but in order to be safe, I'm giving you the extreme
possibility. Understand that, as with Subconscious, I'll be making every
effort to get them sent fast and soon. And now, I know a few things I can be
doing to get them done faster than I did with Sub... like pre-making the
mailing lists, supplies, process, etc.
Here's what to do.
Send your payment, along with your Name, Address to ship it to, Internet
email address (in case I need to contact you), how MANY CDs you want, and,
optionally, your phone number. I say optionally, because I know some of you
want to keep them unlisted.
Send all this to:
Michael Bahr
3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
Chandler, AZ 85224 (USA)
If you wish to speak to me for any reason, including questions, comments,
suggestions, or you just want to chat with another dedicated fan of Rush and
Dream Theater, you are very welcome to call me at 1-602-777-0501. I am
usually home between 11am and 9pm Mountain Standard Time. Please use this
phone number with proper discretion, however, as I will be very confused if
you call me at 3:00 in the morning.
3. Orders received.
This time, I'm in the thick of starting the AD project, and Cygnus
is coming along just dandy as well... and I will be able to confirm that an
order was received if you email me about it. I won't be posting a long list
to the Jam because of complaints I received about the Sub listing.
For the most part, all orders usually get through. If you want to
confirm yours PERSONALLY, feel free to do so, via email or voice.
Well that about wraps it up for this update of the CYGNUS CD project.
Everyone be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
"Or do you still wait for me, Dream (Theater) Giver,
just around the riverbend...?" - Pocahontas
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