YTSEJAM Digest 901
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 900
by JANANDER@ups.edu
2) Re: Marillion info
by mtiplady@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mark Tiplady)
3) just stuff...
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Drummer Not Important?!?!
by GVBunker@aol.com
5) Re: Bohemian Rahpsody (sp?)
by mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 900
by TiggerDano@aol.com
7) My $0.02
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
8) Re: Secret Message on Awake
by Erotomania@aol.com
9) Mike's Drumming...?
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 3:23:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: JANANDER@ups.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 900
Message-ID: <950723032323.c36@ups.edu>
OK, flame on, but I must admit taht Extreme is my favorite band.
Trust me, this is a difficult thing to admit on the ytsejam list. However,
III sides blew me away when I first heard it, moe so that my first hearing
of I & W or Awake. Any opiions of Waiting for theunchline out there. I
found it quite good considering the impossibility of following up III
Sides.
I have heard a few mentions of Extreme out there, and they are a
relatively obscure band, even with the top ten hit. Any news on them from
fans on the list?
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 12:33 BST-1
From: mtiplady@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mark Tiplady)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Marillion info
Message-ID: <memo.767174@cix.compulink.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <9507230917.AA25851@anthor.arastar.com>
Dale,
> I was in a new/used record store tonight and saw a couple CDs by
>Marillion. I know a lot of y'all are rather fond of this band, so you
>may be able to help. I am relatively unfamiliar with them (I've heard
>of them, but haven't HEARD them). My first question - what do they
>sound like? I'm not going to ask if they're any good because I know
>I'll get a positive response form most of you. I was wondering, though
>about the CDs I saw. The title of the first one I saw escapes me, but
>it had something to do with the tears of a jester, or something like
>that. It was used, and the price on it was about 3 or 4 dollars. The
>other CD I saw was a promo disc (w/no cover) for "Brave." it was 3
>dollars, I think. Are these two CDs worth it? If I only get one,
>which one is better? I am rather short of cash, so I don't want to
>waste my money, but good music is certainly worth some cash (and, well,
>these two are dirt cheap). Anyway, I digress. Thanks in advance for
>your help. God bless.
If I were you I'd get both of them if they're going that cheap. Script
For A Jester's Tear is Marillion's first album, released way back in
1982. It may suffer from poor production but there are some stunning
songs on there, esp. Forgotten Sons, Chelsea Monday and The Web. This
album will give you a good idea of what Marillion sounded like in there
first incarnation, with Fish on lead vocals. At this time they were very
much progressive rock a la Genesis (although IMO better) with long, moody
pieces, excellently played. The guitar solos on Chelsea Monday are worth
the purchase price alone (Steve Rothery is plays possibly the most
emotional guitar I've ever heard). Forgotten Sons still sends shivers
down my spine even now.
Brave is the finest of the Post-Fish albums, a return to form after the
'poppier' sound of Holidays In Eden. Brave is 70+ minutes of sheer
heaven. Released last year, it's a concept album based on a newscast
Steve Hogarth (the new singer) heard about an amnesiac girl found
wandering on a bridge. The album speculates on what events in her life
brought her to this point. It's kinda hard to categorise Marillion these
days because they have their own sound now. My best advice is just to
take a chance, especially at those prices :)
So, basically, if you get both discs you'll get a good idea of both eras
of the band. Sorry to go on so much but Marillion are probably my
favourite band of all time (yes, even more so than DT). If you do go
ahead and get them I'd love to know what you think.
Mark.
'...your arms cover me like a blanket, maybe that's all that I need...'
Kevin Moore.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: just stuff...
Message-ID: <199507231725.NAA05530@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I KNEW that the lyrics for Don't Look Past Me were written by Kev! Something
about them just has his touch, especially the line "...when someone says my
heart needs lifting don't ask how come--ask how high..." I'd been arguing this
to people who said JP wrote them for quite a while. Thanks for the update,
AirDance.
Crewcut? Somehow I'm not surprised... :)
That sucks about Fates Warning. I can't believe they're gonna do an album
without their GOOD guitar player or their bass player. I guess Jim will play
the bass. Or, maybe Ray will pick it up and they'll become the new "power
trio" like Rush. Eeeeh...probably not.
Oh, well. That's it for now...
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___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite.
| __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right."
|__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU
|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have
Steve Zebrowski szebro1@gl.umbc.edu thought this was the worst..."
Joe Jackson, Hometown
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:10:31 -0400
From: GVBunker@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Drummer Not Important?!?!
Message-ID: <950723141001_38939974@aol.com>
Whoa!!!! In Ytsejam #899, some posted his idea that the drummer's role in a
prog band
is not as important as the singers.
I'll grant you that the singer as a frontman has a lot to do with the band's
apperance
and overall sound DURING the vocal parts. But as is so common in prog music,
there
are long passages where is singer's part is to chug Gatorade. The drummer is
almost
always playing.
An excellent example of how much influence the drummer has on the feel of the
music
is none other than the "Puppies on Acid" intro in "The Mirror". A few months
back, it
was feverishly debated on just how to count this passage. The amazing thing
is is that
the guitar and bass are just chunking away on the 3 16th notes, 1 16th note
rest idea
for the entire intro, but the drums change feel 3 times giving the impression
that the
guitars are doing something weird. THis is but one example of how the drummer
affects
the music.
Anyone who's played in a band had either heard or found out the hard way this
simple
little rule:
A BAND IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS DRUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason of course is that the drummer IS the foundation. And it is often
MUCH harder than one would think to keep a steady beat (Especially on those
9/8 passages
DT is so famous for...listen to the drums on TTT right after the Italian
part...CRAZY!!)
On the other hand, a band can have an awful singer, but still kick! Cynic is
a great example of a great band, but piss poor singer.
ANYWAY!! I'm not trying to start a flame war, but just thought I'd give MY
opinion!
Any other thoughts?
Spuds!
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:22:59 -0400
From: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Bohemian Rahpsody (sp?)
Message-ID: <199507232122.RAA15060@cs.brandeis.edu>
>From: Anderson/Noah Nordrum <trek221@wn.supertrek.k12.mn.us>
>Subject: DT cover
>
>I was listening to the radio the other day and heard a kick ass song that
>I had temporaroly forgotten about. "Bohemeon(?) Rapsody" by Queen. DT
>must have been influenced by Queen, and having a keyboard player thay
>could do a VERY wicked cover of that song. What do you guys think. Maybe
>if we say enough times how cool that would be, since JP and possibly
>other gods are online, they might do it live and we can get a recording
>of it. Listen to the song. It's perfect for them.
>
Well, don't know if there has been a reply yet... but your begging is too
late... *grin* They have already done a cover of it at least twice, maybe
more. Once on their all instrumental show at Sundance before James was
signed, and they did it on the cover gig at Ronnie Scotts...
--
+----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
| The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | Dream Theater |
| Its what decides if you'll endure the pain that we | Images & Words |
| all feel. The way your heart beats makes all the +-----------------+
| difference. In LEARNING TO LIVE | Michael Burstin |
+----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:42:13 -0400
From: TiggerDano@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 900
Message-ID: <950723154212_121129674@aol.com>
III sides to every story is in my opinion the best album I had ever heard
until I bought I&W about a month later. I listened to III sides and
practiced every lick and nuance of Gary's voice until that album was a part
of my very being. Never before that had an album summed up exactly what I
felt about the world so precisely.
I'm glad someone else thinks it was a great work and not just pretentious
piece of fluff with samples.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:09:29 +1200
From: euan@waikato.ac.nz
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: My $0.02
Message-ID: <v01510101ac3892d0589e@[130.217.176.35]>
The most important person in a band?
Well, I'd say either the drummer or the singer. I see a lot of bands play
(I work in a bar) and a good feel drummer works wonders. I really cannot
stand drumming which is uninspired and lifeless and believe me when I say I
see a lot of them. Singing is also very important. It makes the music
accessable to the ordinary masses who "remain misled". I've seen really
awesome bands play who have terrible vocals and people leave or ignore
them.
After all that rambling, I guess it boils down to what you want to achieve.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 22:42:38 -0400
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Secret Message on Awake
Message-ID: <950723223359_121351064@aol.com>
Since Mike Portnoy isn't an AOL subscriber, I find it hard to believe myself.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 01:59:06 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mike's Drumming...?
Message-ID: <9507240559.AA19386@junix.ju.edu>
Hey have you guys ever noticed how often MP does this...Generically in 4/4,
on the two beat he will hit the snare once and on the four beat he hits it
twice. Just an observation...I guess its the Mike Portnoy signature snare lick!
Also, have the jams been extremely short lately? My server just got SLIP
access like 1/2 a week ago and since then I have been getting only about 10
peices of mail which are Jam posts (I dont get it in digest mode). Please
fill me in on this one! I dont want to miss anything!!!!
Take the time,
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"...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance,
eternal...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the
second without end...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is
love; Love is the dance of eternity"
(John Petrucci of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen --- tallen@junix.ju.edu ---
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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