YTSEJAM Digest 898
Today's Topics:
1) Re: prog bands in muh-viehs
by "Michael Wolberg" <WOLBERG@chemie.uni-oldenburg.de>
2) Kevin Moore in LA
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
3) YTSEJAM digest 896
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
4) mind control boot
by APJ <japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu>
5) Mind Fodder
by Johnny@motown.ge.com
6) various things
by "Dave D'Uva" <dduva@freenet.niagara.com>
7) YTSEJAM digest 896
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
8) Dr. Blair???
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
9) Religion
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
10) SDV and Room With a View.
by Greg "Big Brother" Lee <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
11) Re: Lyrics
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
12) Re: prog bands in movies
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
13) Re "sound engineers"
by Erotomania@aol.com
14) I.F., then Creeping Death
by Erotomania@aol.com
15) Dream Theater
by ETBW44C@prodigy.com (MR DEREK J BOBER)
16) #ytsejam
by jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com (James Runde)
17)
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
18) Re: prog bands in movies
by kad@iris122.biosym.com
19) Ontario stations/Subconscious
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
20) Respect and tolerance
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
21) queensryche concert
by Howard Roark <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
22) Another long post that began as a short one.
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
23) help
by ehuisman <ehuisman@xs4all.nl>
24) Re: Prog Bands in Movies
by TTubbiola@aol.com
25) Important Progressive band member
by Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
26) Re: Religion
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
27) Re: Metallica - Prog
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
28) A Mind Beside Itself?
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:19:48 GMT+100
From: "Michael Wolberg" <WOLBERG@chemie.uni-oldenburg.de>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: prog bands in muh-viehs
Message-ID: <93373A52D3F@chemie.uni-oldenburg.de>
Hai,
>[...]
>moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film there is a
>hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital loudspeaker? Why, none
>other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay
>(Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was
>[...]
I can remember this thread being some months ago on the list. If I do
remember correct, it was pointed out, that this piece of speaker-text is
from a common noise-collection disc. Thus it's not created by QR, just used
by them, as by a lot of others.
MiWo
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 09:32:30 -0500 (EST)
From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kevin Moore in LA
Message-ID: <01HT36VZSFXG0000ZZ@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello everyone, it's Babs. I just wanted to send a post to the list
and formally wish Kevin well on this endeavor. I think that this is
going to be something really great!
What a welcome relief to see Jen (Airdance) post this to the list finally,
Babs was a good girl and kept her mouth shut on this one - aren't you
proud of me Jennifer?
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Date: 20 Jul 1995 08:31:08 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 896
Message-ID: <199507201331.AA08485@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 07/20/95 00:06
Phil asked why Metallic wrote a song about Passover (Goddamm if "Creeping
Death" doesn't have one of the most anthemic, arena-rock bridges in all of
mucis...Die!!!! Die!!!! Die!!!!).Via the grapevine, they were pissed off at
their manag ement or their record company (I believe the latter) about release
and recording issues--BTW this is ore grape-vine than anything else. Being
that those they were unhappy with were of the Judaic persuasion, they vented
in this song. Now, I don't want to be libelous/slanderous here, and I highly
doubt there was anti-Semetic intent. This is only what I was told by a number
of long-time Metallica nuts. ("Die by my hand. I creep across the land killing
first born man.")
LATER-
Steve
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind."
- Skid Row
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:24:12 -0400
From: APJ <japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: mind control boot
Message-ID: <199507201224.IAA00148@romulus.rutgers.edu>
Interested people should check out the boot 'Mind Control'. The
quality is quite good. The only knock is you can't hear the
key's that well...could be they toned Shannahan out a bit since he was
still learning the material (recorded in 1/95 and 2/95). BTW, they
have a copy of Tears on there that is exceptional quality (better than
Subconscious, no knock to Subby, which I still like a lot, thanks
Mike :) BTW, it's a 2 CD boot.
APJ
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:58:35 -0400
From: Johnny@motown.ge.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mind Fodder
Message-ID: <199507201258.IAA01225@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
Mike Bahr asked:
> Where are our seconds going???
>
Well, my friend, they are slipping away. As said in a Van Halen video,
*Time is getting shorter as our memory gets longer.* or something like
that. (Sorry to go philosophical on you...)
Jeff Chew said:
> It is huntkill@liii.com. Sorry, I couldn't get huntnkill, for some
> reason liii won't give it to me.
>
That reason might be because some systems (especially Unix ones) will
only allow a 8 character max for a login name. The *n* makes it 9.
David Kuznick said:
> but neglected to point out that the opening riff is YYZ in morse code.
>
Cool! I didn't know that nor that YYZ was the call letters for Toronto
International Airport. Betcha a friend of mine (a HUGE Rush fan) doesn't know
that either! Thanks!
I didn't mention it last time but I hope that Al B. has a speedy recovery
from his accident.
Johnny
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dave D'Uva" <dduva@freenet.niagara.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: various things
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9507200921.A16380-0100000@freenet.niagara.com>
Hi people of the list, I've got a few things to say.
First of all, what software does everybody use when they quote someone's
message? Or do some people just type it out themselves? And while we're
on the topic, how is it that there's always replies to someone's message
IN THE SAME YTSEJAM???!!! How is this possible?
Anyways, I was going to answer Randall Braun's trivia question about the
origin of the title of the classic Rush instrumental 'YYZ', but, whatta
you know, someone answered in the same one. Either way, I'll embellish.
Since Toronto has 4 airports (or is it 5?), YYZ is the code for Toronto
*international* airport. And speaking of the DT cover for this song,
where can I get ahold of a copy?
And finally, Bob Holder wants to know more extremely long songs.
Extreme's "Everything Under The Sun" is 21:39, although it's in 3
separate tracks. Does that disqualify it?
'til next time,
Dave D'Uva
dduva@freenet.niagara.com
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Date: 20 Jul 1995 08:35:08 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 896
Message-ID: <199507201334.AA09039@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 07/20/95 00:06
Jarrod mentioned the "Dr. Blair...." hospital bit in #896. That is off the
Mindcrime disc, but as discussed at length in the Ryche rag "Screaming in
Digital" (How ya doin', Shag?), the sound bite is actually from a standard
movie effects recording. FYI...LATER-
Steve
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind."
- Skid Row
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 09:42:50 -0500
From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dr. Blair???
Message-ID: <s00e21e6.075@wasc.egginc.com>
In 897 Zack wrote:
"I was watching a movie last night called "Mixed > Nuts" with
Steve Martin. It wasn't the greatest of movies, but it had its >
moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film
there is a > hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital
loudspeaker? Why, none > other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr.
Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay > (Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted
out of my seat when I heard that. It was > unmistakeable. While
I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche > (although it may
be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album. > Therefore,
it is yet another progband in a movie."
I heard the exact same line from Mindcrime a month or so ago.
It was unmistakeable......"Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair....etc" . The movie
was called Dark Angel: The Ascent (1994). The sound
production company listed in the credits was "Of Sound Mind". I
find this very interesting. Any connection??
-Tim
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 09:49:38 -0400
From: FilDBaskt@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Religion
Message-ID: <950720094937_36804302@aol.com>
Is there anyway we could avoid talking about religion on the 'Jam. I know
many of you feel it is relevant to DT's music, but it still is a problamatic
subject area. Religion is a personal thing and I feel that it shouldn't come
up in a discussion about music. What difference does it make whether a band
is agnostic, or Christian, or whatever? I know that maybe their lyrics might
deal with that subject, and I guess it is fine to mention that briefly, but I
really believe it is unneccessary for people to start entirew threads about
it. The 'Jam is about DT, not about christianity. This is not the place for
an in depth discussion of what agnosticism really is, or what christianity
really means. Please let us stick to the music and leave religion behind.
Yes I know I will get responses that say DT talks about it so we should
discuss it on the 'Jam but I feel this is one area that should be left out of
it.
Phil
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:33:32 -0400
From: Greg "Big Brother" Lee <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: SDV and Room With a View.
Message-ID: <199507201433.KAA23256@hal.mkm.aix.can.ibm.com>
Well, I was flipping thru the channels last night when I see "Room With a
View" is about to start! Well, curiosity and the need to hear quotes from
DT songs, I checked it out.
The movie was dull as shit to begin with, but got better. I could barely
keep from cranking up SDV at the same time the big scene played on the
screen. Not a bad movie...check it out!
Greg.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507201105.D25889-b100000@champs>
On Wed, 19 Jul 1995 FilDBaskt@aol.com wrote:
> Now even if someone grossly misinterpretted DT lyrics, I don't think they
> would become violent, but they can say, "Oh yeah, I relate.' when the band
> didn't mean what the person is relating to. So when someone says I relate, I
> just don't buy it.
I think that if you ask most artists, poets, authors, etc..., they will
tell you that there is not necessarily one meaning to the story they
wrote. It is up to the individual to decide what the lyrics mean to them.
In fact if a people interpret lyrics in a totally unexpected way
and it somehow changed their lives, the author is almost always very happy
about it.
> In another note, just out of curiousity, do people mosh to DT or do they just
> listen and appreciate the music?
Have to say that I normally just listen and apprecaite DT. However, I do
like to get up and Mosh to some of the heavier songs when I'm in the mood.
I normally don't, because most of the people in the mosh's I've been in,
seem to be ready to hurt somebody on purpose, not to have fun.
Later,
Dave
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: prog bands in movies
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507201139.F25889-a100000@champs>
> other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay
> (Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was
> unmistakeable. While I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche
> (although it may be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album.
> Therefore, it is yet another progband in a movie.
I swear I've heard that in a number of movies that have hospital scenes.
Specifically, I think I heard it on a movie that was made from a Robin
Cook book (Coma, Brain,????). I think Michael Douglas was in it. At any
rate, that line was used long before Queensryche came along, so sorry,
they don't get any credit!!
Later,
Dave
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:41:12 -0400
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re "sound engineers"
Message-ID: <950720114110_36867586@aol.com>
Some of you might've seen the original post that I replied to...
..but, if not, lemme refresh your memories:
Seems this person had a problem with "crowd noise" and wanted to know how to
EQ it out. I wasn't sure exactly what they were asking, so, I asked for
clarification. What follows is what I got, and my reply:
*****************************
>Actually, I was talking about playing back boots on a home
>stereo, but I'm sure the same basic principles hold true. I'm
>really just looking for the approx. bands that crowd noise
>would fall into, so I can lower those and boost the rest.
Basically, you can't do that. =)
If it's on the tape, it's on the tape. If the taper was in the middle of a
huge, noisy crowd, without shotgun microphones (hypercardioid mics) and he
recorded them, that's what you'll get.
Sure, you might be able to get them out by lowering all mid range & most of
the highs - specifically, 1 - 5kHz, and 10 - 15kHz, but, what you'd be left
with would be rumble and grunge. You wouldn't like the results very much.
Basically, what we like to call "Apparent Brightness," lies in that 1-5kHz
range, simply because that's the way our hearing curves go.
1-5kHz is the approximate range where the clarity of our human voices lies,
and, consequently, where the peak of our hearing sensitivity is. (I'm not
going to go back over the range of human hearing again...<grin>)
..and even if you ran your original through an EQ configuration, taped the
result of that, and then attempted to re-EQ it, you would get a lot of
nothing, since you'd already taken those frequencies out! =)
In other words, I don't think there's a way to do it without severely
eliminating a great deal of the music.
Sorry,
-Hairball
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:41:00 -0400
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I.F., then Creeping Death
Message-ID: <950720114059_36867511@aol.com>
>Seriously...Hairball..any suggestions for getting a little more
>out of East/West....?
Actually, just one: go back in time, and make MTV & Radio take "Another Day,"
and do the same for "The Silent Man."
I think I've posted here before about how I.F. would've made a great AOR
(album-oriented-rock) single. I even went to the music director at my radio
station, and told him. He agreed. I tried to get Ray Koob (he's in the thank
list on Awake...but, that's all I'll say about that), who I 'interned' with
to play it. He didn't want to play anything but Lie, until he got a few
requests for "something other than 'Lie' from the new album." Ray'd forgotten
his AWAKE CD, but, I had mine - I dunno if he heard me, but, I did suggest
6:00, which he played.
Hmm...maybe we could start an electronic petition? =)
--------------
And, regarding the origins of Metallica's "Creeping Death," from my
recollection, the boys were sitting around, under the influence of alcohol
(and whatever else), late one night, watching "The Ten Commandments" on TV.
(I think that's the movie.) Apparently, there's a sequence where a green fog
comes, and wipes out all those without lamb's blood on the door (passover).
Cliff Burton apparently said, "Whoa...cool...creeping death!"
I read this somewhere a while ago.
-Hairball
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:48:45 EDT
From: ETBW44C@prodigy.com (MR DEREK J BOBER)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater
Message-ID: <013.08879235.ETBW44C@prodigy.com>
At a recent Queensryche concert I was able to learn of this address
from other DT fans, and I am very interested in getting on your
mailing list and receiving all of the other information you may have.
I am not to good on the net so I don't know if I have an address so
just in case my prodigy ID is ETBW44C. I hope you receive this and
that I hear from you soon.
Thanks,
Derek
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 10:45:00 CDT
From: jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com (James Runde)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: #ytsejam
Message-ID: <9507201545.AA06306@hendrix.glenqcy.glenayre.com>
I have visited #ytsejam several times now and no one else has been on it
besides the bot. On Wednesday night I tried about 6 CDT to see if anyone
was on and no one was?? When do you people who say you are on IRC go on
the channel???
--
James Runde - Glenayre One Quintron Way Quincy, IL 62301
jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com
Compassion -- that's the one things no machine ever had. Maybe it's
the one thing that keeps men ahead of them. -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507201244.D25995-9100000@champs>
Sorry to do this through the 'Jam guys but:
If Brian Eichorn is on the 'Jam, give me a buzz. I was talking to my
brother, John Silva, and he said that you had Subconscious. Through my
amazing deductive abilities, I'm assuming that you are on the 'Jam.
Later,
Dave
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 09:40:50 -0700
From: kad@iris122.biosym.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: prog bands in movies
Message-ID: <199507201640.JAA15354@iris122.biosym.com>
> > moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film there is a
> > hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital loudspeaker? Why, none
> > other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay
> > (Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was
> > unmistakeable. While I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche
> > (although it may be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album.
> actually, i believe it's just a typical "hospital sound" which can be found
> on a cd-rom. lot's of movies, tv-shows use the same sound effects.
> lots of sounds you hear on tv (guns going off, crashes, etc.) can also be
> found on these cd-roms. that's what i've heard anyways.
> can someone correct me? this has probably been discussed to death on the
> SiD digest.
Yes, Tim is right. To be specific, 'Dr. Blair' bit is from Warner Brothers
"sound bite" disk used in the recording industry. You sign a contract, pay
a certain fee and you can use a professional sound bite. So that paricular
bit can be found in literaly hundreds of places (last time I heard it on
California Eggs tv commercial :) And yes, Dr. Blair spottings discussion
was finally declared "illegal" on SiD (thank God!) after _years_ of bringing
it up in almost every issue...
> > (p.s. - in case you are a bit slow, or a little low on brain
> > power by the time you read this post, I'll refresh your memory, the album
> > was "Operation : Mindcrime". Don't worry, it happens to me too.)
Ah...not to worry about brain power...we know our *stuff* here ;)
_______________________________________________________________________________
"I am falling, like a stone, like a storm, being born again
Into the sweet morning fog.
D'you know what? I love you better now" - KaTe Bush
Kinga Dytkowska - kad@biosym.com
_______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:51:29 -0600 (MDT)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ontario stations/Subconscious
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950720104626.24276C-100000@casual1>
To BABS,
Sorry to take up digest space, but I moved from Ontario 2 years ago and
FOXX (103.3) was the best station around! The other two "rock" stations
there at the time were 97.7 Htz FM (St. Catharines) and Q107 (Toronto).
Q107 is more classic rock (Stones, etc) and 97.7 had more of a mix.
Don't feel too bad because in Calgary we only have 2 classic rock
stations and a bunch of country stations. Doh!
Is anyone willing to dub me a tape of Subconscious? I was low on cash
when the cd came out so I sadly had to pass on it.
Thanks in advance,
Will
P.S. The word is polyrhythm!!!
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:55:29 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Respect and tolerance
Message-ID: <v01510101ac343664c624@[199.232.46.229]>
"Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> wrote:
> I enjoy Robert Frost and I thank god (notice lower
> case....I hope that's not too anti-Christian)
Respect and tolerance. You have shown neither. Yes it is too
anti-Christian. As well as too anti-Jewish and too anti-Islamic. You didn't
need to point it out and yell that you aren't Christian. Had you not
pointed it out, I would have left it alone. Tolerance. But pointing it out
like that is disrespectful to me. You don't want to hear any Christian
retoric from me so don't flaunt your beliefs when you know that they will
offend. Respect.
Thank you
----------------
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Howard Roark <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: queensryche concert
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950720130150.24487A-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu>
Well, I went to New Jersey last night to see them and they were
incredible. But I wanted to mention something...
I walked to my seat and this woman noticed my DT shirt. She said how she
had "IMAGES AND WORDS" but nothing else. And she mentioned how she
listens to it in the mornings before work. ALso, she is a huge Fates
Warning fan. However, she said that she just had a baby and was
currently listening to a lot of baby music, but will get into DT when she
has time. BTW, I saw about five or six people with DT shirts.
...Brandon ------- bdon@wam.umd.edu
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:21:02 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Another long post that began as a short one.
Message-ID: <v01520c01ac33e289a90a@[204.161.33.79]>
Old Trivia questions (3 part):
>> 1. Before Yes reformed with Jon Anderson in the late 80's, Squire,
>>White, Kaye and Rabin did some pre-production work under what other band
>>name?
Yes, the band was called 'Cinema' (pun intended)
>> 2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also
>>covered by DT, I understand)?
Yes, it is three letter designation for the Tornto airport.
>> 3. Now the most(?) difficult question: What thread do questions 1 and 2
>>have in common?
Actually the answer that they are both instrumentals is partially correct.
On the Yes album '90125' (I think, The name for THAT particular TV series
about a SoCal zipcode screws up my memory on this one) there is an
instrumnetal piece called 'Cinema' which is from the earler work. The
common thread I was looking for is that both 'YYZ' and 'Cinema' were
nominated for Grammy's for best rock/pop instrumental (different years, of
course). 'Cinema' won; 'YYZ' did not (I believe Herbie Hancock's 'Rocket
in my Pocket' won that year). It kinda shows ya what the music industry
thinks of prog/metal; two relatively obscure (to the general public)
instrumental pieces from two of finest bands.
>>>Quik 'n New Trivia Questions (which many of you probably know, but
>>>others may be interested in knowing:
What is the origin of the name for Yes' '90125' album?; and what other Yes
album's name is derived from the the first answer?
>>>For those who are font collectors, the font style used on The Prisoner
>>>is known as Albertus, Since this is a copy-righted font, others have
>>>created the Albertus-derived fonts 'Furioso' and 'Village' for both Mac
>>>and PC which are available for WEB/ftp downloading at.....
I'm sorry, the internet address for the Prisoner fonts I posted earlier on
the JAM was incomplete. The correct address is:
dworkin.wustl.edu/dist/prisoner
<<I left out the .edu>> It works, I tried it!! Initially I hyperlinked
through the Prisoner faq listed site below.
If you are interested in what the TV series 'The Prisoner' is all about try
the following WEB address:
www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/tv/the-prisoner/part1/faq.html
>>>On the IM-Hawkwind-Motorhead-BOC-DT? connection.
Actually there really isn't one, except that the discussion derives from a
question by a Y'Jammer about the name of Iron Maiden's mascot. The answer
to that question + the mention of Hawkwind by someone else prompted my
trivia question on SciFi authors and prog/metal lyrics/bands. From there
the discussion was pursued by others, eventually leading to BOC and
Motorhead.
This thread is rather interesting, and typical of free-flow discussions
(those that aren't limited to a specific issue). Sometimes you wonder how
a disscussion on POINT A eventually leads to one on POINT Z, and all the
subtle changes inbetween.
>>On music_vs_lyrics as a prime reason for listening to prog/metal.
I would have to say that for me the music comes first; I certainly didn't
get Satch's 'Surfing with the Alien' for the lyrics (hee, hee, for those
who don't know, its all instrumental). However, I have found that 95%+
prog/metal lyrics are highly intelligent/profound, and don't reek of
rap/pop/heavy metal chainsaw love trash.
--Randall L. Braun
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
You are correct when you say that there is one God; the demons also believe
this and shudder (James 2:19)
Christianity is a relationship, not a religion
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 21:27:21 +0200 (MET DST)
From: ehuisman <ehuisman@xs4all.nl>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: help
Message-ID: <199507201927.AA18652@xs1.xs4all.nl>
help ehuisman@xs4all.nl
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 15:38:54 -0400
From: TTubbiola@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Prog Bands in Movies
Message-ID: <950720153802_119195418@aol.com>
Jarrod Ramsey writes:
<<I was watching a movie last night called "Mixed
Nuts" with Steve Martin. It wasn't the greatest of movies, but it had its
moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film there is a
hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital loudspeaker? Why, none
other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay
(Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was
unmistakeable. While I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche
(although it may be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album.
Therefore, it is yet another progband in a movie.>>
That sound bite is from a stock sounds CD. I've also heard it on a few
hospital shows (ER, Chicago Hope, St. Elsewhere, etc.).
Good ear though. : )
Tom
"The spider in the window" |<Dream Theater: Voices>
"The angel in the pool" |
"The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola
"Now the widow makes the rules"| TTubbiola@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 21:53 +0300
From: Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Important Progressive band member
Message-ID: <m0sZ22m-0001chC@donews.cts.com>
Hey People!
Lets's say we had an avarage progressive rock/metal group. No Keyboards.
Who do you think is the most important player? I mean - which one has to
be the most talented player?
IMHO, the drummer. I mean - he has to hold things together. With no
solid foundation no amazing guitarists could play a solo.
- Aviad
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"We went shoping for God, * "See my diary on the news stand,
and got the God of Shoping..." * Seems we lost the truth to quicksand"
Galiano * Dream Theater, "Voices"
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 16:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Religion
Message-ID: <9507202031.AA06680@junix.ju.edu>
>
> Is there anyway we could avoid talking about religion on the 'Jam.
> What difference does it make whether a band is agnostic, or Christian, or
> whatever?
A very huge difference! And if it doesnt matter then why are you complaining?
> The 'Jam is about DT, not about christianity. This is not the place for
> an in depth discussion of what agnosticism really is, or what christianity
> really means. Please let us stick to the music and leave religion behind.
Phil, I agree that this jam shouldnt be about religion and I even confess
that I rarely read the posts pertaining to this subject. But to me and
to many others, whether or not DT is a religious band or a religious associated
band or their views on religion and all that other stuff is a big deal!!
Therefore it will probalbly be discussed. Don't take this the wrong way
but, get used to it.
Trey Allen
tallen@junix.ju.edu
http://junix.ju.edu/usrwebpages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:42:41 +1200
From: euan@waikato.ac.nz
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Metallica - Prog
Message-ID: <v01510101ac346e7041d3@[130.217.176.35]>
>Rich said:
>Also, regarding someone else's post, I do not hold Cliff Burton
>responsible for Metallica's
>progness - James and Lars wrote all the songs, and Cliff was already dead
>by the time they recorded the progressive extravaganza that is ...AJFA.
>I definitely do not believe that Metallica is nearly as progressive as
>DT, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
I said, that Cliff Burton was responsible for the prog influence on James
Hetfield, as quoted by Lars. Since none of their album were recorded
before Burton joining the band, we would have to hear a pre-Burton boot
(I'm sure there are some around) to listen to their original material and
compare it with the great Metallica albums Kill em All, Ride the Lightning
and Master of Puppets (this album reeks of Burtons influences).
I won't say that Metallica as prog as DT (no way!) but they are more so
than VH or Megadeth.
Hope that clears it up a bit
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:31:47 -0400
From: FilDBaskt@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: A Mind Beside Itself?
Message-ID: <950720173145_37106879@aol.com>
What is A Mind Beside Itself? Apparently it is a 21:00 DT epic, but where
does one find this song?
Phil
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