YTSEJAM Digest 896
Today's Topics:
1) Fan support
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
2) Re: Too much analysis and comparison
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 895
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
4) IN CASE YOU MISSED IT - ACoS in FMQB
by Erotomania@aol.com
5) RE: Tourniquet
by mjnewb@ix.netcom.com (Monty Newberry )
6) lyric thread - my final post on it
by Maraya007@aol.com
7) YTSEJAM digest 895
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
8) YTSEJAM digest 895
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
9) picking apart DT's music/lyrics
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
10) Re: 7-string, Fates Warning, and FW/DT
by Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu>
11) Pursuit
by david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 890
by Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu>
13) Prog metal
by Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu>
14) Re: Metallica - no DT content
by toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
15) 2112 that long?
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 894
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
17) #IRC HELP!!
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
18) New account!
by Jeffrey Chew <huntkill@liii.com>
19) The Dead?
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
20) Lyrics
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 895
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 895
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
23) prog bands in movies
by Jarrod N Ramseylewis <sac73479@saclink.csus.edu>
24) music trivia
by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
25) Metallica = progressive?
by JennieBear@aol.com
26) Deja Vu
by JennieBear@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:33:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fan support
Message-ID: <199507190633.AA14673@crl9.crl.com>
I was at a big SF/fantasy/comics/etc convention here in Atlanta (heck,
I helped arrange it :)) this past weekend and met several folks who
are DT fans (one was here from Nottingham, England). It kinda helped
that the prog band Glass Hammer was one of 8 or 9 bands to perform. :)
One cool chap, who was working for Al "Spawn" Simmons at his table in
the dealers room (Spawn's a comics thing, BTW), noticed the
Metallica Club shirt I was wearing, since he was in the Club and
hadn't seen the new shirt yet. We chatted for a while and I
mentioned Dream Theater (as is my custom :)). Turned out John was a
DT fan, even had WDADU, but hadn't been able to get AWAKE yet. Of
course, I gave it a strong recommendation.... heh
Sunday night after everything was over I saw him sitting forlornly in
the lobby; turned out Al had forgotten that John's flight left on Monday
and hadn't booked him a room for Sunday night, so he had nowhere to
go. A fan in need is a fan in deed, so I dragged him to our dead-dog
party (staff, guests, etc.) and arranged for him to crash at my
apartment, then on Monday before taking him to the airport I played
some of AWAKE and some of the rare stuff for him. Not only did I help
out a fellow Dreamer and Metallikat, but I made a lifelong friend and
introduced him to the 'neeter' side of DT. I figure my karma's in
good shape for this week. :)
-- +---------- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com ------------+ | Director, Pre-con Publications | | Dragon*Con/North American SF Convention July 13-16 | +---- "Let the Light Surround You" Dream Theater -------+------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 00:16:02 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Too much analysis and comparison Message-ID: <199507190716.AAA12557@netcom23.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, - said: >Could we please pick apart DT's music/lyrics a little more?? I think >just a little bit more analysis would really help!! Come on, music is >meant to be listened to and enjoyed, and you don't/shouldn't need to >study it to figure out how it makes you feel. All this analysis serves >nothing but to take away the emotional impact and mystery that the >music has to offer us. Geez it is not a course you are taking.....ITS >MUSIC!!! LISTEN TO IT!! Decide what it means to you and leave it at >that.
Uh, that's all well and good, we can all just listen... but then, what's there to talk about then?
"cool man, yeh yah, that riff is cool, Portnoy kicks ass, yah yah"
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:43:24 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: <01HT1SY4M1YY0002QD@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello everyone, it's Babs. I need a favor from the Canadians up in Ontario. I have been a listener of 103.3 The Foxx out of Buffalo for a few years (they were the station that simulcast DT's show at Impaxx back in '93). I had lost the frequency to pull the station in a few months ago and had to resort to all sorts of fancy antenna's, etc. I finally resulted in moving the stereo to another part of my apartment. When I was able to pull them in they had switched their format to total alternative and call themselves the EDGE (AAACK!).
I have been traveling up and down the dial to find something better and have located Q-107 out of Toronto (which appears to play cool stuff). What I am searching for are some more choices from the Canadian side. Could you guys e-mail me with some call letters, etc. to look for?
-BABS
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:45:28 -0400 From: Erotomania@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: IN CASE YOU MISSED IT - ACoS in FMQB Message-ID: <950719094527_118158037@aol.com>
I dunno if anyone posted this little "blurb" from FMQB (Friday Morning Quarterback, a radio trade magazine), but, here it is: ----start of article----
DREAM THEATER GIVING CULT CLASSIC OFFICIAL RELEASE:
While they work on new music for a '96 release, Dream Theater will release a live album containing their 22 minute opus "A Change Of Seasons." They've only performed it twice in concert*, once in New York and once in Germany, and some bootlegs have been made. But now, as an official release, it will serve as the title cut of the live album which was recorded at a club in London last January, and features cover versions of songs by some of their idols -
Pink Floyd, Rush, Elton John, Queen, Yes and Genesis.
"A Change of Seasons" is due in stores in September.
----end of article----
* - didn't someone say they performed ACoS in NJ?
Anyway, hope this is of some interest. It's not every day that FMQB puts DT in the "MUSIC NEWS" section. =)
Hey - bootlegs? Like SubCon? =) hehe...
I guess this kinda finalizes what's gonna be on it - no more need for speculation. FMQB is a very well-respected radio trade magazine. I'll have to start reading it more often.
Later, -Hairball
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:49:12 -0700 From: mjnewb@ix.netcom.com (Monty Newberry ) To: ytsejam@arastar.com Last Y'jam, Subject: RE: Tourniquet Message-ID: <199507191349.GAA11696@ix3.ix.netcom.com>
wanted to say that I have this album as well, and it totally shreds. I was fortunate to see them on that tour, and I was very impressed. I do have all their albums, and love each and every one of them. In fact, Tourniquet is probably the first band that I would call progressive (prog thrash in this case) that I ever listened to. At first, I hated them, but grew to love them. After getting into their stuff, I gained a real appreciation for talented musicians and prog music. Then I discovered DT, and, well, the rest is history... . God bless you all.
Dale R. Newberry
"I hate stuff that sucks." -Butthead
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:49:15 -0400 From: Maraya007@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: lyric thread - my final post on it Message-ID: <950719104914_118196970@aol.com>
In a message dated 95-07-19 09:44:25 EDT, you write:
>To Jaime the Dragon: >I've never bought any music merely because I could relate to the words the >vocalist says.
Neither have I; the music plays a big part as well, but this guy was saying that the lyrics are _totally_ unimportant, and I couldn't help but remember the plethora of discussions regarding Biblical and literary allusions in a number of DT songs. I just happen to believe that it takes nearly as much genius to write a brilliant lyric as it does to compose a mind-shattering solo. I'm not a musician, and while I do appreciate the music a great deal, interpreting lyrics is more up my alley.
By the same token, I have a difficult time swallowing trite and unimpressive lyrics, but I'll tolerate them for worthwhile music, with the exception of outright offensive lyrics, and hopefully I will be aware of this beforehand and not even bother to buy the CD.
<<I think it's cooler to share what's dear to me and see if someone else feels the same.>>
Which was the general intent of my question the other day. I seem to be in the minority after all. ::shrug:: I shall say no more on this thread, I have my answer...
Jaime the Dragon
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Date: 19 Jul 1995 08:46:08 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: <199507191348.AA05272@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 07/19/95 05:26 I don't want to split hairs, here, but I don't think Michael Jackson was the founder of pop music. Pop in itself means "popular music of the day", be it Sousa, Ole Blue Eyes or the Carpenters. He may have sold the most pop albums and been the main force in putting group dance in videos, but not the founder. The king of Pop is akin to Elvis, the King of Rock (a. not my opinoin of Elvis and b. my apologies to Run-DMC). Elvis was the King, but wasn't the founder. See what I mean?
I would agree to an extent that Metallica isn't "progressive", but it would be hard ro find "metallic-esque" riffs in music before they started up. The instricate rhythmic approach to guitar they use can, to a true albeit subjective definition, be progressive. The word stems from "progress" and to say Metallica's sound has progressed from early 70s Black Sabbath ("Iron Man", "Paranoid") is ridiculous and wrong. I know this is an oversimplification, but (like trying to label bands as a thread here did a few months ago) it is a grey area ("charcoal" -- thanks Fletch) where a hard answer will never be found. But that's what makes discussing it so cool. LATER-
Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind." - Skid Row
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Date: 19 Jul 1995 08:56:08 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: <199507191358.AA10135@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 07/19/95 05:26 I'd like to throw my 2c in on the lyrics thang. I am the singer of a band and write most of the lyrics. Granted I pay special attention to them from artists whose CDs I buy. But get this: if the music sucks, it's hard to keep the disc in to hear the lyrics. Case in point: I hate Bob Dylan and Nirvana. I think both Dylan and Cobain are great poets, but their music sucks!!!(as well as their singing). I enjoy Robert Frost and I thank god (notice lower case....I hope that's not too anti-Christian) he didn't try writing music to his poems. I do think lyrics are important to convey the message in the song. I definitely get a giggle out of bad lyrics (e.g.--anything from Spinal Tap...I think that's the perfect example of how noticeable bad lyrics can be....and don't think this comic band is the only one...most "alternative" bands have real crap lyrics). But the fact of the matter is without good music, all I'm left to do is read the liner notes. LATER-
Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind." - Skid Row
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:26:09 -0400 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: picking apart DT's music/lyrics Message-ID: <v01510101ac3289759e83@[199.232.46.229]>
jim2112@ix.netcom.com (- ) wrote:
> Could we please pick apart DT's music/lyrics a little more?? > I think just a little bit more analysis would really help!!
Oooh. Sarcasm! <g>
> Come on, music is meant to be listened to and enjoyed, and > you don't/shouldn't need to study it to figure out how it > makes you feel. All this analysis serves nothing but to > take away the emotional impact and mystery that the music > has to offer us. Geez it is not a course you are > taking.....ITS MUSIC!!! LISTEN TO IT!! Decide what it > means to you and leave it at that.
Unfortunately, Jim, some of us are musicians and we just can't help it. When I listen to music, if something really catches my ear, I want to analyse it and pick it apart. I want to know exactly what's happening. I don't think analysis takes away from the emotional impact at all. After I analyse music, I still feel the same way about it. You're right that it's not a course but, at least for me, it is my nature. I can't just listen and ignore it.
> Why do we have to talk about who is the better songwriter in > DT??? It's not a friggin competition, it's a band, they > all all trying to write the best songs that they can,and > make music that we all love. Give me a break please....
I can agree with that but it's still interesing to see who has the most influence in writing a song. I just recorded a song with my friend, Joel. It's really his project but on this song I'll get writing credit for one riff and some original bass parts. He wrote the majority of the song but who would know?
> Don't get me wrong, this is a place to talk about the band > we love and it's great that we have the chance to do > so...but lets put them under a magnifying glass and > criticize and throw the band members against each other. It > just serves no good purpose, except maybe to cheapen the > band and their music, and leave absolutely nothing to > question. Think about it....isn't it cool to hold music > dear to you and to let it say to you just what you want it > to??? AMEN
Again, I agree that we shouldn't pit the members against one another but if you don't want to read the analysis threads - don't! One of the things that makes the Ytsejam so cool and so enjoyable (as opposed to the usually boring Rush list) is that we can talk about all kinds of things (and the people are cool too).
Wow. That was long. Should I cut up the quotes and let people remember it from the previous 'jam?
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:27:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: 7-string, Fates Warning, and FW/DT Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9507190917.A1957-0100000@homer>
Okay, I know that this post is a wee bit late, but I HAD to....
Regarding the question about JP's 7-string (what songs it was on), the only other song I'm sure it was used on is "Caught In A Web". If you listen, it's noticeable -- JP also mentioned it in an interview, as I recall. Regarding the "old man/statues" from FW covers, you might also notice that the statues commonly used on FW covers were also on the inside photo of I&W, and appear on various other prog. metal CD covers (Powermad, to name one). Now, if there really ARE bootlegs of the FW/DT show floating around, please please PLEASE let me know! I'm dying to hear it. Oh, and I've got a video boot of DT's homecoming concert in NY after the first leg of the I&W tour, if anyone wants to trade.... (I just have to get my VCR to dub now....)
M. Martin
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 09:58:17 -0400 From: david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Pursuit Message-ID: <9507191358.AA19432@pharlap.ci.com>
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:11:57 -0700 > From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun) > > New Trivia questions (3 part): > > 1. Before Yes reformed with Jon Anderson in the late 80's,
Umm, actually early to mid-80's? 90125 came out in 1984.
Squire, White, > Kaye and Rabin did some pre-production work under what other band name?
Cinema
> 2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also covered > by DT, I understand)?
Someone else answered this already (call sign for the Toronto Int'l Airport), but neglected to point out that the opening riff is YYZ in morse code. And BTW, we American's pronounce the last letter of the alphabet "Zee", not "Zed". So it may be Y-Y-Zed to Canadians and othwer countries as well, but most people in America will pronounce it Y-Y-Zee,
> > 3. Now the most(?) difficult question: What thread do questions 1 and 2 > have in common?
Rush and Yes have never been in my kitchen. :-)
David Kuznick - david@ci.com (preferred) or dkuznick@world.std.com ___ All your spirit rack abuses come to haunt you back by day {~._.~} All your byzantine excuses given time give you away ( Y ) Don't be surprised when daylight comes ()~L~() To find that memory prick your thumbs (_)-(_) You'll tell them where we run to hide - "Afraid of Sunlight" - MARILLION
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:37:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 890 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9507190926.B1957-0100000@homer>
Uhh, wait...WHO has a Dokken boot?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:45:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Kevin Martin <marmik@homer.acs.bethel.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Prog metal Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9507190940.C1957-0100000@homer>
One quick request...could whoever posted the info on prog. metal bands e-mail me some info possibly? I'd like to check some out.... Thanks!
M. Martin
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 08:15:38 PDT From: toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Metallica - no DT content Message-ID: <9507191515.AA08232@vector.sdsc.edu>
>1) Sure they have a few small novice (I guess you could call it) prog >riffs but so do Anthrax and Obituary and Megadeth and early VH ect.. >That doesn't mean these bands are prog. >2) I totally agree with you in that Metallica had almost as much >influence on thrash and metal as Elvis had on rock'n'roll, but that doesn't >make them prog either. Would you call Micheal Jackson a progressive >artist because he was one of the founders of pop music?
I agree with point #2 completely, but not point #1. Have you heard "... And Justice For All"? I can't accept the description of this album as having a "few small novice prog riffs" - the songs are long and complex, containing many time signature and tempo changes and non-rock-formula arrangements. And the musicianship is exemplary. I haven't heard Obituary nor Anthrax, but to compare Metallica's "progness" to Megadeth or especially VH is very unfair. Both of these latter two bands let an occasional prog riff slip in, but they stuck tightly to the rock formulas. This just is not true of Metallica. Also, regarding someone else's post, I do not hold Cliff Burton responsible for Metallica's progness - James and Lars wrote all the songs, and Cliff was already dead by the time they recorded the progressive extravaganza that is ...AJFA. I definitely do not believe that Metallica is nearly as progressive as DT, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
Rich
-------------------------------------------------------------- Rich Toscano - toscano@sdsc.edu San Diego Supercomputer Center User Services http://www.sdsc.edu/SDSC/Staff/toscano/toscano.html --------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:21:42 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: 2112 that long? Message-ID: <199507192021.NAA10437@bud.indirect.com>
Noticed something the other day...
The original Anthem Records canadian release of 2112 lists the running time as 21:12.
The Mercury Records release says 20:43.
The Mercury Cd and Ultradisc say 20:38.
Where are our seconds going???
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:37:28 -0500 (CDT) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 894 Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950719153455.5601A-100000@galaxy.galstar.com>
Someone (or maybe a few people) were asking about Marillion and their new album _Afraid of Sunlight_.
YES I have been blown away by it... It is excellent. They didn't top Brave, but they got pretty damn close. It's much DIFFERENT than Brave (not as mellow) but still it's great. I would definetly recommend getting it.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:53:04 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: #IRC HELP!! Message-ID: <v01510100ac331fe1e8f1@[130.217.176.35]>
Can someone either email me or send to the list info on getting into the DT discussion on #IRC?
Thanks for any help.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Chew <huntkill@liii.com> To: Mike_Hong@qmail4.nba.trw.com Cc: ahongster@aol.com, vincentah@aol.com, cydesign@aol.com, texasvic@aol.com, Subject: New account! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950719165118.9311C-100000@rowan.liii.com>
Dear penpals,
I finally got a new account! It is huntkill@liii.com. Sorry, I couldn't get huntnkill, for some reason liii won't give it to me. Anyways, I'll be here until I go to Columbia, then I'll tell you that account address. I'll catch you all later!
Yours, Jeff Chew =)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:15:48 -0400 From: FilDBaskt@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: The Dead? Message-ID: <950719171535_36292908@aol.com>
You want a copy of the movie The Dead on laser disc? Why? It is really really really boring as far as movies go. Joyce just doesn't translate to the screen well.
Phil
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:13:13 -0400 From: FilDBaskt@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Lyrics Message-ID: <950719171225_36293159@aol.com>
Well, I personally don't ever try and relate to the lyrics. I listen for the music. It is too much of a pain in the ass to try and figure out what the hell the lyrics mean because they are almost always ambiguous(except for songs like Rush's The Trees and the like).
Second I really hate when people say they relate to the lyrics because half the time they misinterperet(sp?) them. Now, I know that the level of intellegence of the DT listener appears to be far greater than the intellignce of the average Metallica fan(not all of them for I am one and consider myself to be far more intelligent than the average fan, which isn't saying much. And I mean no insult to any other Metallica fans on the 'Jam because as of yet I have not seen any of the stupidity I am about to discuss) but I will use Metallica as an example anyway because this example comes to mind first and really pisses me off.
Last June('94) I went to see Metallica live for the first time ever. I was completely appalled by the stupidity of Metallica fans in their interpretation of song lyrics, first and formost, being the lyrics of Creeping Death. So many of the fans think this song is about killing people, and as such I believe that this is where the bad reputation that bands like Metallica have recieved. Now Creeping Death isn't about killing people, but it is about Passover(I have no idea why Metallica chose to write a song about Passover but they did). However, the moron fans don't know this and so this to them is Metallica advocating violence and this is why so many Metalheads are violent individuals.
Now even if someone grossly misinterpretted DT lyrics, I don't think they would become violent, but they can say, "Oh yeah, I relate.' when the band didn't mean what the person is relating to. So when someone says I relate, I just don't buy it.
In another note, just out of curiousity, do people mosh to DT or do they just listen and appreciate the music?
Phil
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:41:07 -0500 (CDT) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950719163248.5601D-100000@galaxy.galstar.com>
To the person wanting to know some good long songs for his argument:
Yes's Awaken (15:00) Yes's Gates of Delirium (23:00) Yes's Tales from Topographic Oceans (80:00) (or their 4 20 minute songs) Yes's Close to the Edge (19:00) Tori Amos's Yes, Anastasia (9:00) (ok...it's a mini-epic) Genesis's Supper's Ready (23:00) Caravan's Nine Feet Underground (23:00) ELP's Tarkus (20:00) ELP's Karn Evil 9 (35:00) Rush's Cygnus Book 2 (18:00) Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells (50:00) Mike Oldfield's Incantations (72:00) King Crimson's Starless (12:00) Dream Theater's A Mind Beside Itself (21:00) (of course)
And these are just the ones *I* have... there are tons more... like, all the strange Sweedish bands out there have long songs (Analagard, etc.) Kansas, Jethro Tull, and countless other prog bands, have long songs.
... Heisenberg may have slept here. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream... Welcome back my [] [] friends to the show that never ends... Cat's foot, iron claw... And [] [] the light dies down on Broadway... Carry on my wayward son... I get [] [] up, I get down... And here I stand at the crossroads edge... Brother [] [] can you spare another war, another wasteland, and another lost [] [] generation... And your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick [] [] as a brick... We'll see how brave you are, we'll see how fast you be [] [] running, we'll see how brave you are, Yes Anastasia... I'd love to [] [] turn you on... William Wright wwright@galaxy.galstar.com [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ... Maybe it's the evil inside us.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:54:01 -0500 (CDT) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950719164345.5601E-100000@galaxy.galstar.com>
> New Trivia questions (3 part): > > 1. Before Yes reformed with Jon Anderson in the late 80's, Squire, White, > Kaye and Rabin did some pre-production work under what other band name?
Cinema
> 2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also covered > by DT, I understand)?
It is an airtrafic control code for an airport somewhere close to where the boys live (or perhaps lived...)
> 3. Now the most(?) difficult question: What thread do questions 1 and 2 > have in common?
Not all that difficult... (tho, it's ironic how it all fits together.)
Before Rabin showed up on the spot, Squire and White were talking with Jimmy Page (or was it Robert Plant?? oh...I always get em mixed up... it was whoever played guitar for Led Zeppelin) and were going to call the band XYZ (ex-Yes-Zeppelin.)
... Heisenberg may have slept here. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream... Welcome back my [] [] friends to the show that never ends... Cat's foot, iron claw... And [] [] the light dies down on Broadway... Carry on my wayward son... I get [] [] up, I get down... And here I stand at the crossroads edge... Brother [] [] can you spare another war, another wasteland, and another lost [] [] generation... And your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick [] [] as a brick... We'll see how brave you are, we'll see how fast you be [] [] running, we'll see how brave you are, Yes Anastasia... I'd love to [] [] turn you on... William Wright wwright@galaxy.galstar.com [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ... Maybe it's the evil inside us.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jarrod N Ramseylewis <sac73479@saclink.csus.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: prog bands in movies Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9507191450.A18232-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>
Ok, it has been well established that Derek was in "Wayne's World" with Alice Cooper. I recently noticed in very small print in an obscure place in the credits something about "entertainment provide by Ytsejam Inc." in another movie, whatever that means. I even posted something about that one, but no one seemed to give a rats ass about that, which I understand. Now I have a new one. It has occured to me that I watch too much tv. I was watching a movie last night called "Mixed Nuts" with Steve Martin. It wasn't the greatest of movies, but it had its moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film there is a hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital loudspeaker? Why, none other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was unmistakeable. While I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche (although it may be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album. Therefore, it is yet another progband in a movie.
I still think progbands are going to have to get some meatier parts in movies before they get their own soundtrack.
Just an observation,
Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis University of Portland
(p.s. - in case you are a bit slow, or a little low on brain power by the time you read this post, I'll refresh your memory, the album was "Operation : Mindcrime". Don't worry, it happens to me too.)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:42:43 -0500 From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: music trivia Message-ID: <199507192242.RAA13276@wpg-01.escape.ca>
Hi guys and gals,
In issue #895, Randall Brown gave us three trivia questions:
1)The name of Squire, Rabin, Kaye, and White's band before Jon Anderson joined up and became Yes was.......Cinema
2)What does the Rush instumental YYZ stand for......someone already beat me to it!!!
3)The common thread with these two questions?.......When Robert Plant and Jimmy Page thought about forming a band with Chris Squire and Alan White (supposedly, they rehearsed a few times), the name of the band was to be XYZ (ex-Yes/Zeppelin)
Cheers,
Ian Ian Mowatt imowatt@escape.ca
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:26:19 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Metallica = progressive? Message-ID: <950719192616_118548195@aol.com>
I've seen a bit of this debate and I wanted to bring up something interesting that I just heard. I'm listening to the "Nightwatch" interview with Mike Portnoy (thanks, Jason! :) ), and the DJ is talking about how he finds DT a unique combination of "progressive rock and heavy metal." Kelly comments that he thinks DT is one of the first to create such a marriage, but Mike corrects him and lists a number of other bands. He also says something about the more well-known of these is "Queensryche, and, to a certain extent, *Metallica*." Very interesting...
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 20:27:28 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Deja Vu Message-ID: <950719202726_36434895@aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #895:
>Could we please pick apart DT's music/lyrics a little more?? I think just a little bit more analysis would really help!! Come on, music is meant to be listened to and enjoyed, and you don't/shouldn't need to study it to figure out how it makes you feel. All this analysis serves nothing but to take away the emotional impact and mystery that the music has to offer us. Geez it is not a course you are taking.....ITS MUSIC!!! LISTEN TO IT!! Decide what it means to you and leave it at that.<
Didn't we *just* go through this a few weeks ago??? My conclusion is that the above statement is from a relative newcomer to the 'jam...to whom I say, respectfully, what else should we talk about then? The fact is this list is composed of many individuals who just can't get enough of DT, and discussion of music/lyrics livens up the discussion when we've already raved about how wonderful the last album was. (To all the old-timers, yes, I will spare you from another reference to my painting analogy. <g>) You're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone, but don't deny someone else the opportunity to dissect the music if they enjoy that type of thing.
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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