YTSEJAM Digest 894
Today's Topics:
1) addition to Subcon liner notes
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
2) Re: Subcon CD liner notes
by siggih@ibm.net (Siegfried Hanisch)
3) Various
by GBatesGT@aol.com
4) Uh...stuff.
by Johnny@motown.ge.com
5) Metallica IS Progressive
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
6) irc channel.
by ESCHER <CP74645@LTU.EDU>
7) Labrie's Vocal Auditions
by "R. Haskin" <strega@u.washington.edu>
8) DT and Skid Row + some other stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) YTSEJAM digest 887
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 893
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
11) Thaks for help!
by Mantia_Andras <andi@lmcv.sfos.ro>
12) Opinions on New Marillion...
by Douglas Merrell <merrell@cs.fsu.edu>
13) Re: Metallica IS Progressive
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: addition to Subcon liner notes
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) Production, etc...
by Erotomania@aol.com
16) a lot of topics ;-)
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
17) SUBCON notes/record label
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
18) Re: lyrics vs music debate
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
19)
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
20) eMpTyV Most Wanted
by kad@iris122.biosym.com
21) Violence in digest 893
by Potestatem@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 05:00:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: addition to Subcon liner notes
Message-ID: <199507171000.FAA08522@tam2000.tamu.edu>
> From: "R. Haskin" <strega@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Subconscious Liner Notes Part 2
> 11. The Awake Heavy Jam (3:51)
> This rare instrumental was played on the Awake tour, filling the
> void left when "The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun" and
> "Innocence Faded" left the setlist.
Also, it was recorded in San Antonio, TX on 11/14/94 at the Majestic
Theatre by me. the guy clapping in the right channel is my friend
dave, the guy clapping in the left channel is my friend isaac, and the
guy clapping in the middle would be me :)
if anybody wants a copy of the whole show it was taken from, let me know.
the master is on DAT, and was recorded with a sony D7 and core sound binaural
microphones, in case any of you are considering getting into taping.
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
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Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me,
"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
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check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 95 20:42:46 CDT
From: siggih@ibm.net (Siegfried Hanisch)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Subcon CD liner notes
Message-ID: <199507171022.KAA62157@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
>> Also, perhaps
>> someone with the equipment to print out the liners, might sell
>> the liners to the holders of the CDs. It would be cool if they
>> were sold with gold numbers to match the CDs (it'd be tough
>> work to match them up tho.) and then signed by the printer and
>> the writer(s). Pics would be cool too.
>Lets do it! It sounds cool! I have two different freinds who work for paper
>and printing companies. I will ask them about getting an insert with all this
>stuff on it if you guys want.
Maybe it would be easiest to send all those liners to Mike, since I guess that most
of those who ordered Subcon will also order Cygnus or the Acoustic CD, and he could
send the liners along with these CDs. Just an idea (as if Mike - the altar boy of
Petruccianity - had not done enough for us all ;-)
Greetings # They shoot without shame
Siegfried Hanisch # In the name of a piece of dirt
=====================================# For a change of accent
siggih@ibm.net # Or the colour of your shirt
ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # Better the pride that resides
=====================================# In a citizen of the world
PGP public key available # Than the pride that divides
Team OS/2 # When a colourful rag is unfurled RUSH
WWW http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/home.html
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:09:54 -0400
From: GBatesGT@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Various
Message-ID: <950717080839_34340401@aol.com>
I may just be speaking for myself, but I would wager that
almost every person that got a copy of Subconscious has a copy
of all or very near to all of the legit studio releases that
Dream Theater would make money off of. And for your future
releases, Mike, as long as they are limited edition in some
fashion, and it will probably stay that way.
The one thing that really pulls me to Dream Theater is their
perfection. Everything fits into place in a way that no other
band does. As for the polly rhythm (three vs. two), I'm
surprised that they don't do it more often. I'm sure Rush has
done it time to time. . .
Also, I think that once a piece is good, the lyrics make it
better, if you know what I mean. . . :->
Two toasts:
The first is, of course, for Dream Theater,
The second is for Michael Bahr, one of their best fans.
-Jun-Dai Bates
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:40:43 -0400
From: Johnny@motown.ge.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Uh...stuff.
Message-ID: <199507171340.JAA02977@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
I know that I'm a little behind. (To some people I know, I'm a BIG *behind*,
ha, ha, ha!!!!)
JennieBear wrote:
> I would be interested in this as well. At one of the "Awake" shows I
> purchased one of those stickers and promptly put it on my back car window.
> Unfortunately, the edges are starting to peel up. :( (Too much sun, I
> think.)
>
I bought one too. What I did was take one of those clear laminate sheets and
cut it down so that it would have 1/4" border all the way around the
sticker. Then I put the sticky sides together (the sticky side of the DT
sticker and the sticky side of the laminate) and made it into a sticker that
could be put on the inside of the window. That should solve things until
they come out with window stickers!!!! (hint, hint, hint)
Andy Keegan wrote:
> I've heard that those coupons are good for DT. A free show, Friday night,
> the Hamptons... I'd suggest getting there early.
>
And I thought the NJ show had a long line....... I think you should camp
out!!! :D
Hairball asks:
> didn't someone say they performed ACoS in NJ?
>
Yup. They most certainly did!
As for the recent flamage on the YJ, cool out! I know that the heat's
been getting to everyone but remember, we're all civilized! If you want
to be uncivilized, go join the Green Day mailing list! :D
Johnny
-_-_-_-_-_-
"What would progress be without stepping on a few peoples' toes?"
-Zack Gemmill
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Date: 17 Jul 1995 10:09:01 -0500
From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Metallica IS Progressive
Message-ID: <n1406146552.12875@macsmtp>
In YTSEJAM 893, there was reference to Metallica as being not progressive. I
believe that this person has missed the mark when they lumped Metallica in
with other decidedly non-progressive bands. Oh, jeez, here we go.......
Maybe people are unfamiliar with most of Metallica's material or are coming in
to the game a bit late, but Metallica deserves much credit for creating an
entirely new sound in music (thrash). And, recall that this was happening
10-12 years ago. Beneath this harder sound, you will actually find some
complex instrumental writing. One may not care for their sound, but they
indeed created something truly NEW. IMO, creating a whole new sound equates
to being progressive, no ??
Their latest album was mostly a sell out and their very early work had little
of the intelligent writing referred to above, but Ride, Puppets and Justice
are classics. Is it mere coincidence that DT covered a Metallica tune at
Ronnie Scotts ??
Off the pulpit for now,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
"Tower of ivory, they used to say, house of gold .....
How could a woman be a tower of ivory or a house of gold"
Dream Theater/James Joyce
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:12:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: ESCHER <CP74645@LTU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: irc channel.
Message-ID: <01HSZ18MCKHU9TD2CD@LTU.EDU>
HI again jammers!!
I pose this quiestion to all of you who like to spend your time on irc.
WHEN DO YOU GUYS GET ONLINE??? I am beginning to wonder if I'm
using the wrong server or something because evertime I check
( with /who #ytsejam) at irc.colorado.edu nothing at all is listed.
Now, given that I AM extremely new to the irc world, I figure that
I am just missing something, but I talked to several of you guys last
week (broon, kylania) but havent seen you since!!
If I'm doing something wrong fill me in please...
Lastly, Jaime - I can definately appreciate what you said about
people throwing around blind insults on mailing lists. There is nothing
more frightening than the first time you post to a list when you think
someone is just going to destroy you and your opinion. That is one
of the reasons I decided to start posing here... this is one of the
better lists I have seen, people voice opinions and very rarely flame
each others viewpoint.
Chris Purdy (not hidin' from the list)
CP74645@ltu.edu
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Haskin" <strega@u.washington.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Labrie's Vocal Auditions
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91j.950717081213.25634F-100000@saul3.u.washington.edu>
Hi everyone -
Well, I expected this to happen, and it's good!
I posted the Sub liner notes, and I've recieved a lot of corrections and
such, so as soon as I can change them I'll post version 2!
MikeB was also pointing out in Ytse that Learning to Live was one of
LaBrie's auditions...
That may be. I know it's on the tape, but when I talked to James about
the TLF demo after the Seattle show last November, he said that it was
ont of four songs, including TTT, UaGM and Metropolis. So, I dunno what
to tell you all. Perhaps the tapes we have are not of the actual
audition?
Randy Haskin
strega@u.washington.edu
P.S. Maybe LaBrie's blowing smoke at me? :>
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 12:14:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DT and Skid Row + some other stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507171243.A14181-b100000@bdmserver>
Someone mentioned Sebastian Bach and DT being on stage together. I think it
was the Ray Gillen (formerly of Black Sabbath and Badlands, who died
of Aids related illnesses) tribute. I have no clue if any boots exist from
this or not. If anybody knows let us in on the information.
I started dateing this girl and obviously she had never heard of my
favorite band the one and only Dream Theater. I had never really heard of
her favorite band Dave Mathews Band either. She is open to new music but
not to start her out on heavy songs. So I have had her listen to Winter
(she loves Tori Amos so this went over well. She did say Tori has a better
voice for the song but I disagreed). Next I had her hear Another Day,
Surrounded, The Silent Man, and Space Dye Vest. All these songs went over
very well. I dont really care for SDV but that was one she seemed to like
the best. Oh well. I guess it is time for Metropolis?
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com ****
** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **
** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **
**** ****GO ORIOLES!!!!**** ****
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Date: 17 Jul 1995 11:35:11 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 887
Message-ID: <199507171635.AA08033@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 07/12/95 18:06
MIKE BAHR!!!
Amoco Corp.'s firewall prevents me from e-mailing you first!! Is there still a
SUBCON left?!?!?! I will buy, and Fed Ex you your $25!!! LEmme kno off-line of
the Jam. LATER-
Steve
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind."
- Skid Row
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 11:24:21 -0400
From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 893
Message-ID: <9507171524.AA00320@>
On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, 'a schitzophrenic person either named Jaime the Dragon
or Maraya007' wrote:
>Now, I will gladly retreat under a rock if I prove to be alone in this
idea,
>but don't a large majority of people buy CDs because they can relate to
the
>words in a song as much as they enjoy the music?
>
Jaime the Dragon (with a mouthful of hot stuff)
>
I will weigh in with my opinion: If the music sucks, it really doesn't
matter to
me what the lyrics are. I would never buy a cd because the lyrics were
nice or profound, but I WOULD buy a cd whose music was outstanding and
whose lyrics were stupid, trite, and any other adjective an English teacher
could come up with... Don't flame me, but I don't like DT for the lyrics
(or even for the vocalist, I liked Charlie) but for the outstanding
musicianship.
I would wager that this is so for others, too. Lyrics are icing on the
cake.
-- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com)------------------------------
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:21:22 +0000 From: Mantia_Andras <andi@lmcv.sfos.ro> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Thaks for help! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9507141347.A13714-0100000@lmcv.sfos.ro>
Hello! A big thank you to James Arin for sending me the Skyclad tack-names! And about the favorite DT member: I think that I like the most James LaBrie.His voice is very-very good. But the others are good musicians too.The band is GREAT!
"I can see much clearer now,I'm blind" - Take The Time Andras
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas Merrell <merrell@cs.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Opinions on New Marillion... Message-ID: <199507171806.SAA06716@cs.fsu.edu>
Hey Ytsefolks,
I noticed that most of you have been discussing Marillion in reference to the cover that DREAM THEATER did of their song, Easter. I was wondering if anyone has noticed that their new album has come out. It is called something like Afraid of Sunlight or something. It has a really dark cover so I am really sort of hesitant to get it. Has anybody been blown away by it yet?
Any and all suggestions welcome. BTW, I am a fan of Marillion. It's just that the price is a little high right now and I would rather wait if I can.
Thanks, doug ************************************************************************** ** FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY _________ < "And the meek ** ** DOUG MERRELL |Rock || > shall inherit ** ** | 'N' || < the earth." ** ** COMPUTER SCIENCE |___Roll_|| > ** **EMAIL: merrell@cs.fsu.edu /DREAM // <- Used by Neil Peart ** ** or merrelld@freenet.fsu.edu /__THEATER// > ** **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 11:17:31 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Metallica IS Progressive Message-ID: <199507171817.LAA02315@netcom22.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "mmetzger" said: > >Maybe people are unfamiliar with most of Metallica's material or are coming in >to the game a bit late, but Metallica deserves much credit for creating an
Quite familiar here...
>entirely new sound in music (thrash). And, recall that this was happening >10-12 years ago. Beneath this harder sound, you will actually find some >complex instrumental writing. One may not care for their sound, but they >indeed created something truly NEW. IMO, creating a whole new sound equates >to being progressive, no ?? >
No, rap was not considered progressive when it came out. Neither was acid jazz. Just because you have created a new sound does not make you progressive. But then defining progressive is a whole other debate. Complex instrumental writing is not necessarily a criteria for being progressive either... big band jazz is complex instrumentally but would not be considered "progressive".
>Their latest album was mostly a sell out and their very early work had little >of the intelligent writing referred to above, but Ride, Puppets and Justice >are classics. Is it mere coincidence that DT covered a Metallica tune at >Ronnie Scotts ?? >
Let us consider this, as a band itself. Has Metallica progressed? Yes... up till AJFA, and then they REGRESSED into the black album.
So, as a band... I would consider them, regressive, not a progressive band.
>Off the pulpit for now, >Mark Metzger >mmetzger@bostech.com
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 11:20:48 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: addition to Subcon liner notes Message-ID: <199507171820.LAA02743@netcom22.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Brian V. Cox" said: >> From: "R. Haskin" <strega@u.washington.edu> >> Subject: Subconscious Liner Notes Part 2 > >> 11. The Awake Heavy Jam (3:51) > >Also, it was recorded in San Antonio, TX on 11/14/94 at the Majestic >Theatre by me. the guy clapping in the right channel is my friend >dave, the guy clapping in the left channel is my friend isaac, and the >guy clapping in the middle would be me :) >
What a plug for himself... ;) Although my friend, you gotta stay away from those TDK's... heheh
>if anybody wants a copy of the whole show it was taken from, let me know.
It is a good show...
>the master is on DAT, and was recorded with a sony D7 and core sound binaural >microphones, in case any of you are considering getting into taping. >
Yes, then he'll expect you to record every show that passes through your town... ;)
>============================================================================= > Voices repeating me, Brian "The Madman" Cox Voices discussing me,
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:59:09 -0400 From: Erotomania@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Production, etc... Message-ID: <950717145907_34588357@aol.com>
Okay, almost got away this time...but, I spotted this:
>I have to turn up the volume quite a bit when it follows >another disc in the changer, or tape in the car. >Maybe Hairball can explain what happened??
The mastering house didn't make it loud enough when it was mastered...in other words, after the mixed album left the studio, (which would be the 2nd letter in the ADD notation - whatever it is) was sent to the mastering studio to be made for mass production, and it wasn't pressed as loudly. It's not a manufacturing defect - the information wasn't transferred as loudly as other discs are now...that CD is a bit older, isn't it?
Remember, technology has improved itself. I can attest that many CD's are recorded at different output levels; as a DJ, there are certain CD's that don't even touch 0db, even when the fader is near the top...and others are so loud, they go directly to +2db.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:59:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: a lot of topics ;-) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950717201345.24076A-100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Hi, long time no see!
Just got here (school) from work and discovered some 20 digests in my inbox, boy, I thought most people were on vacation or something. This list seems more busy now than ever...
So here we go...but first my wishes to Al for a fast recovery. Enjoy all the digests and get better soon!
THE ACOS EP -----------
Although most people say the EP is going to be released in September my local record dealer said it will be here in the next couple of weeks. I don't really beleive that since he didn't really know about the ACOS-part of it. He thought it was just a live-thing.
CARMINA BURANA -------------- I know this might be a bit old but I'd like to state that IMHO Carmina Burana is not 'an unbelievable masterpiece', it's just rather good. Ok, the opening 'O Fortuna' is one of the best heavy classic pieces there is.. (saw it together with other classic heavyweights like 1812 (tjaikovskij), Mars (holst) etc with accompanying laser-show, a while ago. Quite cool but a little 'mainstream').. But after that, except for some pieces, it doesn't really go anywhere, umm...like it's not climacting enough, or should I say: it doesn't build that well, many of the middle-parts are just plain boring, not THAT well written (like I really know what I'm talking about ;-)) but it doesn't do much for me. Hmmm, maybe because I've sung it all (not the solo-part mind you) and I'm pretty sick of it now :-) I'll give it 3 out of 5 (or maybe 5 out of 10).
THE HAWKWIND CONNECTION ----------------------- > So there's some kind of connection from BOC -> Michael Moorcock -> > Hawkwind -> Motoerhead -> ? > Anybody got the missing link to Dream Theater?
Lemme see...
1) BOC -> Michael Moorcock -> Hawkwind -> Motorhead -> -> -> Black Sabbath (touring with Motorhead right now) -> Jethro Tull (Tony Iommi was in Tull a week or two) -> DT has covered Aqualung
OK, that wasn't that good but what the heck! 2) Well, maybe after Sabbath we can go -> Yes (Rick Wakeman played on some Sabbath-albums, at least Sabbath Bloody Sabbath) -> Steve Howe (has played with DT at Ronnie Scotts)
Or...
3) British doom-band Cathedral have covered several Sabbath-songs as well as toured with Sabbath themselves. Lead singer for Cathedral Lee Dorrian was originally in proto-grindcore-band Napalm Death, current Napalm Death singer Barney sang w/ DT at the Ronnie Scotts gig. :*()
and so on!
Oh, BTW, in a Swedish magazine w/ an interview w/ Napalm Death Barney wore the DT-shirt with the flaming heart!
And, BTW BTW, European MTV's HBB did a full report on the Sabbath/Motorhead tour, and right in there there was a report from the release party of Motorhead's latest album and there was the drummer for BOC hugging Motorhead drummer Mikkey Dee, saying that Mikkey is his fave drummer.
TIAMAT ------
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:31:48 -0600 > From: dneff@maaco.com (David Neff) > > A band from Stockholm.se opened - Tiami (sp?). They were really good as > well. Anybody know who they are?? Mats? > > - Dave (dneff@maaco.com)
Wow, someone remembered my name ;-)
Yes, the band is called Tiamat and they're from Sweden just as you said. I believe they have four studio albums out and one live album recorded in Israel. Their latest album is called Wildhoney and from what I've heard and seen it's pretty good. Earlier on they played more generic type death-metal but since some of the guys left to pursue other musical directions the kernel of the band took most of the 'metal' part away from the music (not completely, but removed the obvious 2xbass...) and left the 'death'-part, the depressive themes in. They have said that they wanted to go back to the earlier stuff they were influenced by, mostly Pink Floyd but also King Crimson. The music is very heavy and sometimes quite scary, while both 'deathy', 'metaly' and 'ambient' at times. If you're not scared of death metal or depressing music you might want to check them out.
While I'm on it I could as well promote another Swedish band: MESHUGGAH
Their latest album 'Destroy, Erase, Improve' (or similar title) is heavy, technical and somewhat in the vein of Pantera with a slight touch of Death (the band). Are currently on tour (or has previously toured) as support to Machine Head. Band cites King Crimson and Cynic as influences (amongst others).
FAVE DT MEMBER --------------
No doubt, (err, not exactly 'no' doubt but you know what I mean ;-)
JOHN MYUNG
Nice guy, team player, incredible skills, excellent songwriting capabilities (now I'm getting into trouble again), and most important: he's the bass player
.or as James put it on the Classic Live boot:
"bass player from hell, if not from there I don't know where the hell he's from...John Myung"
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Well, that's about it, maybe I'll return in a couple of days with more waste of bandwidth :-))
Take care, and maybe I'll see some of you in the #irc!
/Mats
________________________________________________________________________ / Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry / /-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ / "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS / /_______________________________________________________________________/
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:12:20 +0200 (MESZ) From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: SUBCON notes/record label Message-ID: <9507172012.AA102363@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello again!
Subcon liner notes:
I collected everything I could get now, so I will compile it this night. And as Jun-Dai Bates already suggested, it will only contain detailed info about every track, raw quotes and the lyrics. It is the nature of bootlegs, that you often don't know the source of these recordings. That was one reason not to take the quotes as raw material and tell the story myself, as Randy Haskin did. I just let the quotes stand for themselves, so I'm not to blame if someone didn't tell the truth. And this way, you know who it was.
The track information contains name, credits, source and generation of this copy etc. Of course again I had to rely on my sources, so if you find an error, TELL ME! But I think it's already quite correct now.
Of course, if you think there is an error in the lyrics (taken from the DT Songbook), tell me, too! I'm no native speaker, as you might have already noticed, so please also correct my typos and misspellings!
I think the whole thing with all the lyrics is way too long to post to the list, so IF YOU WANT TO GET ONE, send me a short mail, just "GIMME!" or whatever. It will be available in about... two hours or so ;-).
Record Company:
Randall Braun asked this one. Yes, I&W was on ATCO, yes, Awake was on eastwest. ATCO is a sublabel of Atlantic, I don't know if eastwest belongs to Atlantic or Elektra (both WEA). My guess is Elektra, though. Look at www://www.elektra.com (hope that's correct), there's some info about DT among many others.
Steffen
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: lyrics vs music debate Message-ID: <199507172056.NAA01133@malibu.sfu.ca>
> > On Mon, 17 Jul 1995, 'a schitzophrenic person either named Jaime the Dragon > or Maraya007' wrote: > > >Now, I will gladly retreat under a rock if I prove to be alone in this > idea, > >but don't a large majority of people buy CDs because they can relate to > the > >words in a song as much as they enjoy the music? > > > Jaime the Dragon (with a mouthful of hot stuff) > > > > I will weigh in with my opinion: If the music sucks, it really doesn't > matter to > me what the lyrics are. I would never buy a cd because the lyrics were > nice or profound, but I WOULD buy a cd whose music was outstanding and > whose lyrics were stupid, trite, and any other adjective an English teacher > > could come up with... Don't flame me, but I don't like DT for the lyrics > (or even for the vocalist, I liked Charlie) but for the outstanding > musicianship. > I would wager that this is so for others, too. Lyrics are icing on the > cake. > for me the music comes first...but the lyrics are just as important. let me ask you this:
a few weeks ago, a dumbass posted a web site address in one of the heavymetal newsgroups. it was a web page for neo-nazi propeganda bands! i checked it out to see if it was for real...it was! the scary part is that some of these bands probably have musical talent. but i wouldn't even attempt to download any of the song samples, because i didn't care for what they are saying in the lyrics. I know this is an extreme case, but i wouldn't listen to any such band even if they were 10 times better musically than DT.
on the other case if the lyrics are great, and the music sucks, i would probably get turned off just as much.
tim a. (sitting on the fence) > -- > Kevin > > (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) > > >
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 17:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507171759.B20031-a100000@champs>
Hey Guys,
I just recently bought Marillion's latest release and am not sure what to think of it. Granted, it is much better than the average stuff out there, but it didn't do much for me. Maybe after a few more listens, I'll change my opionion on it. Did I make a mistake by buying that one? I was going to buy the one with Easter, but it wasn't there. Let me know.
Incidentally, I saw a Marillion album in a local store that was made in 1984, Fugazi I think. It said that it was no longer printed in the US. This one was a British release for about $18. I'm not sure how difficult it is to get, but I'm willing to pick it up if someone wants it. There are two of them there and I'm thinking of getting one of them. Let me know.
I finally heard the studio version of Eve, excellent. It was also very cool comparing the demo version of TTT with the LP version.
Later all
Dave
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 14:53:17 -0700 From: kad@iris122.biosym.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: eMpTyV Most Wanted Message-ID: <199507172153.OAA22265@iris122.biosym.com>
Hello good people!
I realize this may be of zero interest to most of you but since people here write about their grandmas and other people's girlfriends, I might as well share with you my little experience, especially since it DOES have a DT content! :)
Yesterday, my niece and I got so bored that I decided to entertain her by pulling out some of my old video tapes. It was just a bunch of stuff I taped off MTV a long time ago (back in the days, when I thought it was worth spending my money on cable) so we watched a Queen Rockumentary first (since my 16 year old niece has a fairly good taste in music) and later on we stumbled on eMpTyV Most Wanted show (circa '91-92) with Geoff Tate and Chris DeGarmo of Queensryche. John Norris guy was asking them his silly questions at first and then turned to the audience so more retarded questions would be asked... so they started showing the audience and who am I seeing, standing right next to the Norris guy? Mike Portnoy! Yup, there he was, in his full glory, wearing Tyson shirt, having a goofy look on his face and clapping once in a while. Even my niece got excited and said she liked his hair ;) I kept yelling "Let Mike ask a question!!!", I bet he would have something more intelligent to say than the rest but noooooo...they didn't let him. Oh well, it was still pretty cool to see Mike standing there in the audience. Btw, when was DT (or any of the band members) first tv appearance, does anybody know?
_______________________________________________________________________________ I don't wanna be your angel I wanna be your witch - Yello Kinga Dytkowska - kad@biosym.com _______________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:32:02 -0400 From: Potestatem@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Violence in digest 893 Message-ID: <950717233200_117098002@aol.com>
What's going on everybody? I was casually reading the latest jam, when I noticed the seemingly more angry then usual tone in many letters. IMO the jam should be about everyone getting together to discuss anything they think another DT fan might find interesting. Whether it be what other jammers do for a living, that classical thread from a few weeks ago, Tori Amos, Joyce, or (have mercy) the lyrics to the songs. I don't mean to flame anyone, but many of the remarks in 893 seem to run contrary to the friendly, mind opening, PROGRESSIVE spirit of the group. Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. ------------Dan (potestatem@aol.com)
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