YTSEJAM Digest 907
Today's Topics:
1)
by SS7681S@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
2) Re: A suggestion
by Ibanez7@aol.com
3) Acoustic Dreams artwork
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
4) CYGNUS UPDATE
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
5) ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
6) CPI Show***** SPOILERS*******
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
7) ployrhythm
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Lemme just add this.....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
9)
by amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam Marshall)
10) Ages
by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
11) polyrhythms
by Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
12) FPS League -- Very minimal DT content
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
13) Japanese version of ACoS?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) Re: ployrhythm
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
15) Providence show
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
16) Re: Polyrhythms
by Gpills@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:44:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: SS7681S@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <01HTGAXFX7LE002KH3@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 20:30:24 -0400
From: Ibanez7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A suggestion
Message-ID: <950729203022_126020087@aol.com>
I Agree! I think August is going to suck this year!
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 17:00:53 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams artwork
Message-ID: <199507300000.RAA11620@bud.indirect.com>
To the three of you who are doing artwork for the cover and back
cover of Acoustic Dreams... try and finish up soon if you can, as I wish
to have the printing done by next week (8/7) but I definitely want your
artwork as it's all been quite good...
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 17:01:26 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: CYGNUS UPDATE
Message-ID: <199507300001.RAA11671@bud.indirect.com>
CYGNUS CD PROJECT UPDATE / SUBCONSCIOUS CONCLUSION
ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE
current to 7/30/95
This is an update on the status of orders and such things on the
Rush "Cygnus" CD... made available exclusively to the members of the Ytsejam
list before anybody else. :)
EVEN QUICKER UPDATE: I am in a position to produce it immediately upon the
receipt of my supplies order. Thanks guys! I'm going to spend the interim
getting Acoustic Dreams together.
EXPECTED DELIVERY DATE: DELIVERY IS IMMINENT! I am on a day-by-day standby
for picking up all the materials I had ordered. CDs will ship immediately
as soon as they can. I have mailing packets stamped and addressed to ALL
orders so far (current to 7/29/95) so it's ready to roll...
Here's the no-wait address and cost. Read on for further info on the CD.
$23 check, money order, or cashier's check/traveler's cheque to:
Michael Bahr
3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
Chandler, AZ 85224
PLEASE SPECIFY that it's Cygnus you want. I do a lot of mailing and may not
realize what it is that's being purchased.
ACOUSTIC DREAMS: Also known as Dream Theater Unplugged. I have begun work on
this already and will begin taking orders for it shortly, possibly when the
shipments of Cygnus are in (why have two pre-order things going at once...)
or earlier if you all want. More info on this CD in another post, which will
follow this one. :)
SUBCONSCIOUS: The CDs are finally _gone_. Every copy has been sold. I've even
sold my own personal extra copies. I can't believe this was so popular!
Will Subconscious ever be made again? Unless some Italian company copies it,
I am sorry to say it will not. One of the explicit conditions I set forth
when I made the disc was that it would be very special and limited, and I
would be breaking my confidence with the people who have bought it under the
understanding it would be a unique, rare release. I swear I don't mean to make
people miss out... but a promise is a promise. Would people trust me when I
say "get it now" if they could get it a year later? I calculate not. :)
THANKS EVERYONE for being a part of this! You all RULE! :)
DISCLAIMER: Cygnus falls into a grey area under law as an uncopyrighted
recording produced in such a manner that at least one facet of the production
occurs in a country (namely Italy) in which it is legal to do so. In the USA,
it is permissible to sell used import CDs only if they are labeled as such.
This is such a CD. Be aware that the various powers-that-be are collecting
nothing for this.
Of course, that's all cover-my-butt lawyerspeak. I hope you all will
want to be a part of this. I make roughly minimum wage doing it, so you know
I'm not out to scam you. In all humility, I appeal to anyone who might not
think too kindly of my endeavor, and ask that they might give me the benefit
of the doubt on this one. Friends? :)
1. What the hell is Cygnus?
2. When can I order and how?
3. Orders received.
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1. What the hell is Cygnus?
Hi all, I'm Mike Bahr, humble maker of special edition CDs. Earlier
this year, I made available a special, _very_ limited edition Dream Theater
CD called Subconscious. I didn't know if the project would work at all,
since I had to use my own money to finance the project, and had to be very
close on costs to even make it a non-loss financially. But you responded,
Ytsejammers!
The CD sold, sold, and sold some more. In fact, the entire limited
edition print of 500 copies, each hand-numbered and signed in gold by myself,
sold out entirely to you, the most devoted fans of Dream Theater on earth.
And I do mean _Earth_! I got orders from the USA, Canada, Mexico,
Japan, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Austria, Great Britain, Ireland, Denmark,
the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Israel, Singapore,
Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Greece, and a few more countries I am sure
I have forgotten to mention. Truly, the WORLD made Subconscious a success for
me and for the Jam, so I'm going to hope that Cygnus will be another one! My
heart goes out to all of you in every country of the world for joining in!
What I did was work with a pressing plant using rental equipment and
some of my own as well, and an exhausting three months of preparation,
packaging, and mailing, not to mention production of the CD, and a million
other things, and made it a reality. I was relieved beyond words when I read
the positive comments people had for it online.
Cygnus is the project I will do to fill the gap between Spring 1995's
Subconscious and Autumn 1995's WHEN DREAM AND JAMES UNITE. Cygnus will be a
recording from an ultra-rare Rush show, the single best sounding Rush show in
existence, from the mystical Hemispheres tour of 1978-79. It is an unlimited
print, but there will likely not be more than 1000 ever made.
Here's the information on the show.
Title: Rush "Cygnus"
Source: True soundboard reel-to-reel, original length 81 min
Running time: 73 min
Venue: Convention Center Arena (TCC Arena)
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Date: November 20, 1978
Generation: Transferred to 48kHz DAT from a 2nd gen analog.
Quality: Beyond comparison. Higher than "Oakland '92" and "Pinkpop".
Setlist:
Anthem
A Passage to Bangkok
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
I. At the Tobes of Hades
II. Across the Styx
III. Of The Battle
Xanadu
Something for Nothing
The Trees
Cygnus X-1 Book 1: The Voyage
Cygnus X-1 Book 2: Hemispheres
I. Prelude
II. Apollo
III. Dionysus
IV. Armageddon
V. Cygnus
VI. The Sphere
Circumstances
A Farewell to Kings
Note that La Villa Strangiato had to be cut or else I couldn't fit
the Cygnus saga on the CD! I'm sorry about that, I hope it won't kill the
experience for anybody. They had some sound problems during that song
anyhow, so in a way, maybe you _don't_ want to hear it.
Also on the original tape was a cut-off version of the beginning of 2112,
the Overture and then half of the Temples section. In order to make Cygnus
fit onto a single CD, I cut those seven minutes out of the DAT. Everyone
has a live 2112 on ATWAS album, anyway.
Now that I sort of "have the hang of it" where CDs are concerned, I
have put together some colorful art for the CD and cover. For those who didn't
get one, Subconscious had a gold-on-black motif, much like the Terminator-2
and Star Wars laserdisc box-sets. It was dignified, and direct. And now, for
Cygnus, I want to really make people say "wow!" The cover is pretty wicked
looking, I'll try and post a copy.
2. Where can I order and how?
Okay, here's the deal. Anyone remember how long it took my blanks
shipment to get to me when I did Subconscious? Twenty-nine days, it did. And
I placed the order for Cygnus blanks a few weeks ago. Used a faster supplier.
Now, this time, I originally had planned not to even ANNOUNCE Cygnus until
I had the CDs in hand. However, so many of you are leaving for the summer
and/or want early copies like last time, that I will go ahead and do a pre-
order deal again.
Why, you may ask, should I send the money, if I won't get the CD for
a while, though?
Well, you don't have to. But you can. I strongly urge you to consider
it. Here's why.
Here's how it works. I don't want anyone feeling uncomfortable sending
me a payment when in all truth, your CD might take a month to get to you. So
I will divulge as much information as I can to make it a sound decision on
your part. For those who wish to wait, there will be NO penalty; simply order
when I get the CDs in shipment. For those who order early, in an effort to
reward their confidence in my project and in gratitude for them getting the
ball rolling early, I will be shipping CDs out in the order they were
received... thus, you'll get it sooner. Furthermore, this time I'm going to
run a little contest. A random 25 people in the first 300 orders (this will
be done with a computer randomizer) will get a free copy of a special video
montage, just as an added bonus and a thank-you for being a part of this. I
think I might make two or three different montages and throw them in at
random into the sets... one Rush, one Dream Theater, one Live, one Queensryche
and maybe one of all sorts of progressive bands. Or more! :)
How to order!!!
Remember when Subconscious came out, and I said certain costs were
permanent, and had gone into the production cost? I didn't lie... Cygnus will
be CHEAPER than Subconscious was. The price will be $23. For anyone in Canada
ordering, add only $1 for postage. For anyone outside North America, add $2
for postage (so it would be the same price as Sub) and that will take care of
it. There's a lot of bean-counting that I do to come up with those numbers,
so trust me, it's what it amounts to. Plus, you can order as MANY Cygnus discs
as you want, because you on the Jam are getting a shot at it before I offer
it anywhere else. Also, it's still $25 for NON-Ytsejammers. Check out my posts
to alt.music.rush and a.m.dt, you'll find it's true. Naturally, if you have
friends who want a copy of Cygnus, they can get it at the $23 price, same as
you Jammers.
Please use a money order if you can. The reason is simple: it's safe!
I know you paid and you know I have it (it's traceable). And you know if you
don't get a CD or a refund, I'll go to jail.
For international orders, I will indeed accept cash if you wish. I
urge you to be careful, because every order for Subconscious that contained
cash made it safely to me, but that might not always be the case. I don't
want anybody to lose their money. For orders of 2 or more Cygnus discs,
a travellers cheque or international money order is economical to use. If
you decide to use cash, please wrap it tight in a thick envelope and try to
hide it, so that nobody will steal it.
Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. It will actually be closer to
4 or 4 and a half weeks, but in order to be safe, I'm giving you the extreme
possibility. Understand that, as with Subconscious, I'll be making every
effort to get them sent fast and soon. And now, I know a few things I can be
doing to get them done faster than I did with Sub... like pre-making the
mailing lists, supplies, process, etc.
Here's what to do.
Send your payment, along with your Name, Address to ship it to, Internet
email address (in case I need to contact you), how MANY CDs you want, and,
optionally, your phone number. I say optionally, because I know some of you
want to keep them unlisted.
Send all this to:
Michael Bahr
3175 N. Price Rd. #1066
Chandler, AZ 85224 (USA)
If you wish to speak to me for any reason, including questions, comments,
suggestions, or you just want to chat with another dedicated fan of Rush and
Dream Theater, you are very welcome to call me at 1-602-777-0501. I am
usually home between 11am and 9pm Mountain Standard Time. Please use this
phone number with proper discretion, however, as I will be very confused if
you call me at 3:00 in the morning.
3. Orders received.
This time, I'm in the thick of the AD project, and Cygnus
is coming along just dandy as well... and I will be able to confirm that an
order was received if you email me about it. I won't be posting a long list
to the Jam because of complaints I received about the Sub listing.
For the most part, all orders usually get through. If you want to
confirm yours PERSONALLY, feel free to do so, via email or voice.
Well that about wraps it up for this update of the CYGNUS CD project.
Everyone be excellent to each other, and party on dudes!
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
"Or do you still wait for me, Dream (Theater) Giver,
just around the riverbend...?" - Pocahontas
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 17:01:10 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: garion@indirect.com
Subject: ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE
Message-ID: <199507300001.RAA11645@bud.indirect.com>
DREAM THEATER: "ACOUSTIC DREAMS"
Information and Update
Current to 7/30/1995
Hi all! This is the latest information on Acoustic Dreams, the new
LIMITED EDITION Dream Theater CD I will be producing. It will be a numbered,
hand-initialed limited print just like Subconscious was.
============================================================================
DISCLAIMER: Acoustic Dreams falls into a grey area of law as an uncopyrighted
recording produced in such a manner that at least one facet of the production
occurs in a country (namely Italy) in which it is legal to do so. In the USA,
it is permissible to sell used import CDs only if they are labeled as such.
This is such a CD. Be aware that the various powers-that-be are collecting
nothing for this.
============================================================================
Of course, that's all cover-my-butt lawyerspeak. I hope you all will
want to be a part of this. I make roughly minimum wage doing it, so you know
I'm not out to scam you. In all humility, I appeal to anyone who might not
think too kindly of my endeavor, and ask that they might give me the benefit
of the doubt on this one. Friends? :)
1. What is Acoustic Dreams?
2. What is the release schedule?
3. How can I get my own copy of Acoustic Dreams?
============================================================================
1. What is Acoustic Dreams?
Hi all! Allow me to introduce myself, if you aren't familiar with me
yet. I'm Mike Bahr, humble maker of special-edition CDs. I noticed a lot of
the mass-manufactured bootleg offerings were spiralling quite high in price
and yet offered little for the die-hard fan, and I concocted a scheme by
which I could make around minimum wage by producing CDs on my own, CDs that
would fill the demand for REAL rarities and special songs, unreleased items,
live shows, and the like.
Basically, since no CD plant will print them for me, I have to rent
studio and equipment time and do it myself. So far, it's working. :)
Fortunately, and for this I am very relieved, my CD efforts so far
have been incredibly well-received by the net community, especially the
Ytsejam mailing list. I just do what I can do and leave the rest up to God,
and I guess the Almighty isn't disappointing you folks. People from all walks
of life, all countries of the world, both sexes, all races, and all religions
have joined in on the Subconscious and Cygnus projects, and I am very happy
to have you all along for the ride. I'll keep making CDs as long as you folks
are willing to keep buying them. Thanks so _very_ much... :)
And now, it's time to get Acoustic Dreams together.
Well, this is the next CD I'm doing, also known as Dream Theater
Unplugged. We were given a VERY high-quality soundboard tape of DT's recent
Unplugged performance in Europe, and it can only be fully expressed in the
form of a CD. Trust me. :) I am fervently hoping that the finished product
is well-liked. I've created the master DAT and submitted it so I can get the
glass master made.
Here's the final tracklisting from Acoustic Dreams. I know many
were hoping I'd find more stuff, but I've pretty much scraped the
barrel dry at this point. The only other things of similar sound
quality I could find were in soundboard shows that ought to be
released to CD in their entirety.
Acoustic Dreams
1. Another Day
2. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
3. Wait For Sleep
4. The Silent Man
5. Lie (boogie version)
6. Tears (Rush cover)
7. O Holy Night
Electric Extras
8. Perfect Strangers (with Bruce Dickinson on vocals)
9. 6:00 (performed in session with a much better mix)
10. Caught In A Web (another better performance)
Bonus Tracks (acoustic)
11. Voices (just a small part of it was all there was) acoustic
12. Bad (U2 cover) acoustic
I hope that once you've heard it, you will, like me, have your
breath taken away by the beauty of the acoustic tracks and the clarity and
sharpness of the electric mixes. As good as Cygnus sounded, this is easily
and by far the best sounding CD I will have ever made.
2. What is the release schedule?
Here is the current schedule of releases as I see it (all dates estimated):
08/02/1995 - Rush: Cygnus released/shipping (this is more or less solid)
08/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" ordering begins
09/30/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" released/shipping
10/15/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" ordering begins
11/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" ordering begins
11/30/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" released/shipping
12/25/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" released/shipping
02/--/1996 - Rush: To be announced
04/--/1996 - Live or Type O-Negative: To be announced
06/--/1996 - Dream Theater: To be announced
Here are a few descriptions to keep your curiosity satiated :)
Dream Theater "Subconscious"
Released 04/03/1995 - Limited print of 500 copies - sold out
Contained Dream Theater rarities including A Change of Season.
Rush "Cygnus"
Release is imminent - Unlimited print - still taking orders
Contains a rare soundboard show from the Hemispheres tour.
Dream Theater "Acoustic Dreams"
To be released 09/30/1995 - Limited print of 500 copies
Contains beautiful unplugged performances.
Public Affection "The Death of a Dictionary"
To be released 11/30/1995 - Unlimited print
Is actually +Live+'s little-known first album, released in 1989,
two years before their 1991 breakthrough Mental Jewelry. Demand for
this one is skyrocketing, and the Jam gets first shot at it.
Dream Theater "When Dream and Today Unite"
To be released 12/25/1995 - Limited print of either 500 or 1000.
Contains the songs from Dream and Day only with James LaBrie on
vocals. Collected from MANY sources and optimized for quality.
The following are all "Work in Progress" releases...
Rush "A Symptom of Life" - from 12/20/81 2nd gen soundboard
Contains a LOT of neat stuff. a LOT. But very long... 2 CD set?
Rush "Thoughtlace" - from 3/24/81 audience MASTER in stereo
This one has unbelievable good sound quality. It's a tossup whether
to take this or Symptom, since both are so good but so similar.
Rush "Sleight of Mind" - from a remastered 6/25/75 Toronto
This tour has been very underrepresented in available material, so
who knows, if S.H.'s cleanup efforts turn out good...
+Live+ "Disenchanting Discourse" - from a 10/25/94 audience MASTER in stereo
It might be released, it might not, depending on many things. If you
would like to see it released, please let me know and let as many
people know as you can. I tend to find ways to release things when
I find an overwhelming demand for them. :)
Type O-Negative "Deathgrip" - from a 5/30/94 audience MASTER in stereo
A great setlist and decent sound. Only my worries about how many
copies I can sell prevent this. I can't undertake anything less than
a potential sellout project or I risk going under. Again, if this is
a title you'd like to see, you can make it happen. All I need is a
lot of interest, and away we go!
Dream Theater... oh who knows, there's so much good stuff.
Possible shows:
Osaka soundboard from late 1992
Hamburg soundboard from spring 1993
Vocalist auditions
various excellent DATs recorded in Texas
3. How can I order a copy of Acoustic Dreams?
Very soon.
I'll add all the ordering info here shortly, but I need you all to
hold on just a little longer... I promise, it won't be much longer. I want
this CD's blanks on order, and glass master on order (that's one thing I
cannot do myself, and it takes them a decade to prepare it) and hopefully by
the time I've done all this, it will be closer to DELIVERY time and you won't
have to wait long.
I say this because Subconscious took an unbelievably long time to
turnaround due to delays in the making of it, and despite my best efforts,
Cygnus is going a bit too slow for my taste as well (though it's still within
the predicted schedule, it was a schedule I had been planning to beat). So I
am trying to jumpstart Acoustic Dreams so there's NO DAMN WAITING. :)
Trust me, I will make sure everyone knows when they can get a copy of
this acoustic limited edition.
Well, that about wraps things up for the moment...take care all.
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
"Les Poissons, les poissons, how I LOVE les poissons!
Love to CHOP And to SERVE Little fish!" - the chef from The Little Mermaid
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 20:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: CPI Show***** SPOILERS*******
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950729204141.20211D-100000@oak.liii.com>
Here's a short review of the show in the Hamptons on Friday Night. Skip
it if you don't wanna know. First I'll say that this show and Providence
are the only U.S. shows. Then they are doing a few dates in Japan and
will start recording the next album after a short break.
========SPOILERS========================
Here's the set list-
6:00
Under A Glass Moon
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
A Change of Seasons
Derek solo
Erotomania
Voices (with samples)
The Silent Man (with Derek and John P. trading licks during the spanish
guitar break)
Another Day
Pull Me Under
Perfect Strangers
I saw Derek's set sheet and it had Wait For Sleep and Learning To Live as
encores, but they didn't do them. There were also no solo jams. This may
have been due to the heat in the club. It was HOT. Myung was literally
dripping with sweat.
James' voice was in great shape and he was very confident about holding
those high notes.
It was a great show. Despite the heat, the band made few mistakes and
looked quite happy to be playing.
Andy
akeegan@liii.com
==============================================================
"Live fast, "There's only one way
Be a spark and glow awhile of life,
You'll be dead a long, long time" And that's your own"
-B. Geldof - Levellers
==============================================================
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:36:08 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ployrhythm
Message-ID: <v01510100ac409cd8ef4e@[199.232.46.229]>
nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu> wrote about polyrhythms so now I am too :p.
>right hand: 1234 1234 1234 1234 1234
>left hand : 1234 R123 4R12 34R1 234R
This is similar to The Mirror. Another example of a polyrhythm would be:
right hand: 1234 1234 1234 1234...
left hand : 1231 2312 3123 1231...
In this example, you have a three against four (in 4/4 time). The last
group of three doesn't fit in the bar so extends over the bar. Another good
example would be if you imagine playing piano. You play triplets in the
left hand and 16ths in the right. You then have another 4 against 3 (this
actually appears in a Mozart piece but I don't know which).
For further clarification, I've whipped out the Harvard Brief Dictionary of
Music which says:
"The simultaneous use of conflicting rhythms and accents, often as a result
of combining different meters...the term polyrhythm is used for the bold
rhythmic clashes often encountered in 20th century music. Strongly
syncopated passages, such as occur in jazz [or The Mirror], often produce a
polyrythmic effect."
BTW, I'm 26.
----------------
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Lemme just add this.....
Message-ID: <199507300229.WAA04588@wicked.stigmata.org>
What I said yesterday, I was not applying to DT in anyway.
Moshing in general is cool, but I totally agree with the
people who said that it should be kept to the right shows.
If you noticed, most of the bands I metioned were bands
which are very mosh oriented. I definately feel that DT's
music is NOT moshing music in the least.
Just wanted to clear that up
Skadz
-- =-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_= | | "Seize the day | | Ryan P. Skadberg | I heard him say | | skadz@bluesky.net | life will not always be this way | | System Administrator | look around, and hear the sound | | Blue Sky Inc. | another time like this can't be found" | | | "A Change Of Seasons" - Dream Theater | =-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_= | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz | =-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 20:51:19 CDT From: amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam Marshall) Message-ID: <9507300151.AA05590@physics.Trinity.EDU>
Fellow 'Jammers: Been lurking for about a week on here now, and I finally feel up to posting. Introductions... My name is Adam Marshall, and I'm addicted to Dream Theater (Hi, Adam)
I was SO excited to find out about this mailing list and to learn that I am far from alone in my opinion of this band. I'm 19, btw, and I don't think any band member is the MOST important. Each member adds his talent, and if it works, it works. My favorite examples are U2 and Extreme. Bono and Nuno respectively are great, but (IMHO) the rest are mediocre. However, I enjoy listening to both bands, because they're just good. Like I said, if it works, it works. The chemistry of a band is just as important as the talent -- without the former, the latter is wasted. Regarding moshing: do it if you want, wherever you can find people to join in, but I don't consider DT a "moshable" band. When I saw them last fall in San Antonio, I was so breathless with awe that I could barely remain standing. Save moshing for high-energy, low-talent bands, and save listening for the good bands. (My 2 pennies). Regarding polyrhythms: it's a superposition of contrasting meters, usually an odd and an even. Composers (and good musicians) use this technique a lot to spice up a passage or make a variation on an earlier one. Example:
|1 2 |1 2 | etc. |1 2 3 |1 2 3 | etc.
played at the same time (you can try this with your hands on a table if you have some coordination and some patience). Portnoy, Peart, and other great percussionists get a lot more complicated, of course. And it's not limited just to percussion. A good example that comes to mind is the beginning of TTT: the bass sets a solid meter and tempo, then the drums and guitar come in with a different pattern that starts out in the same meter, but then changes while the bass continues in the old one.
Thanks for having me aboard (sorry about the length on this one). Adam H. Marshall amarshal@physics.trinity.edu
P.S. I'm also interested in info on the ytsejam t-shirts
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 6:56 +0300 From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ages Message-ID: <m0scPY6-0001pPC@donews.cts.com>
Ages? I'm 15 - will be 16 this december. Next...
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"To B-Quad or not to B-Quad?, that is the question" - a.h.
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: polyrhythms Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950730003015.27001A-100000@elaine43.Stanford.EDU>
Hey y'all,
The "Polly-rhythm" post was a joke. HA HA. HA HA HA HA. Just kidding, get it? Anyway, after the deluge of mail on them, I hope anyone who didn't get what a poloyrhythm is before now does. Later,
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 10:56:56 EDT From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: FPS League -- Very minimal DT content Message-ID: <9507301456.AA22438@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
Ok, before I start, I don't want any flames. I know this isn't DT related or anything, but since that doens't seem to stop people on other subjects (not a flame, but I personally don't care about the theory of how to play guitars, or how old everyone is, or any of the other stuff that goes on. However, if I don't like it, I delete it, no problem.) So on that note, I just want to know if anyone here would be interested in joining a computer simulated football league. I'm going to be starting it in the m iddle of Aug or so, and am just looking for more team owners (we have about 9 now). Basically, owners will be responsible for submitting starting lineups, have the option to make trades, will get to draft their team from scratch, and other things. No set rules have been made yet, I'm just trying to get a feel for how many people want to do this. If it makes any difference, it'll be run using Front Page Sports Football '95. If you're interested, mail me (NOT the list -- don't make any posts regarding this to the list and we'll save lots of time and space). Use the title "FPS INTEREST" or something similar so it'll grab my attention. Once again, *no* posts to the list please. Just mail me directly.
One DT side note: I like the title "When Dream and James Unite" much better personally (if you're taking a vote Mike :). Christopher White whit8275@mary.cs.fredonia.edu
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 13:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Japanese version of ACoS? Message-ID: <199507301730.NAA25358@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Does anyone know what the "special bonus track" is supposed to be on the Japanese version of A Change of Seasons? Whatever it is, I don't think its worth $34.
Any word on DT touring with echolyn? I'd really love to see that show.
For anyone interested, echolyn is playing the Bayou on Aug 5th in DC.
-- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: ployrhythm Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507301411.B15483-a100000@champs>
On Sat, 29 Jul 1995, Marc Respass wrote:
> > right hand: 1234 1234 1234 1234... > left hand : 1231 2312 3123 1231...
Actually, I don't think that is quite right. I'll explain it with three against two, because it's easier to write out. If you have three against two, then the 3 beats of the R-hand would be equally spaced over one measure and the 2 beats of the L-hand would be equally spaced over the same measure, such as:
R-hand: 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 L-hand: 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
I'm pretty sure this is write. To hear some pretty weird stuff, listen to some Chopin piano pieces. My brother would sometimes be playing seven against five. Sounded very difficult to play.
Later,
Dave
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Providence show Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9507301557.C15483-9100000@champs>
Hey guys,
I saw people posting about getting together before either the Providence or Long Island shows, can't remember which one. A couple of us from Philly are driving up to the Providence show and was wondering about getting together somewhere. Drop me a line.
Later,
Dave
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:16:30 -0400 From: Gpills@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Polyrhythms Message-ID: <950730161628_44058592@aol.com>
I feel the need to add to the whole polyrhythm mess, especially to correct John Nguyen. A 5 over 4 polyrhythm *does not* invlove tapping "straight" beats in one hand and then tapping more "straight beats on a different hand. What creates the polyrhythm is the tapping of 5 beats in the same length of time as the other hand takes to tap 4. There are no "rests" involved.
In a sense, the beginning of The Mirror is made up of various polyrhythms, with the guitar's ostinato unit having a generally duple meter, while the drums superimpose another meter over it. It would be interesting to see how that section of the song was composed/recorded. Did John and John just sit in a room and play three eighth-note patterns for awhile with MP playing along?
Has anybody seen the Awake transcription book? I don't know who did the transcription to The Mirror but they made it a lot more difficult than it really is (in terms of time signatures).
Glenn <gpills@aol.com>
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