YTSEJAM Digest 906
Today's Topics:
1) Mike P's solos
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
2) Polyrhythms
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
3) Moshing ...
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) Re: Moshing in NY
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Bohemian Rhapsody
by mjnewb@ix.netcom.com (Monty Newberry )
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 905
by Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
7) DT radio premiere
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 905
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
9) singers
by drmthter@ix.netcom.com (Frederick )
10) Scarred - Ever played live?
by Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
11) Re: Scarred - Ever played live?
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Moshing at DT Shows
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
13) WDATU
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
14) POLYs (sorry 'bout length)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:04:04 -0400
From: FilDBaskt@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mike P's solos
Message-ID: <950728150401_42899710@aol.com>
Let me preface this by saying that I love MP's drumming, but from what I have
heard of his solos, I think Mike really lacks in this area. Now, the solos I
have heard are not to recent. The latest is from like '93 or so. But I
don't think Mike is really a good soloist. He has the chops and the
technique and the knowledge, but he seems to lack the creative means to tie
it all together into a musically enjoyable creation. What Mike seems to do
is to simply show off his chops. Now some people might like this, but as
most drummers would agree, that is not what a solo really should be(although
it is a helluva lot better than some guy behind a drumset spinning through
the air). Maybe Mike has developed as a soloist since then and if he has I
hope someone will correct me, but if not, then I am not really looking
forward to hearing anymore of his solos till he does.
Phil
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:56:44 -0500
From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Polyrhythms
Message-ID: <9507282156.AA06957@ctcsunho.cummins.com>
Don't know too much about poly-rhythms, but when I am tapping
my fingers to the music while driving, it usually takes two hands
to keep up! If Mike played any faster, I'd be forced to tap my
feet. Wouldn't that be hell on my transmission.
(I'll be 24 in August)
&E
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:48:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Moshing ...
Message-ID: <199507282248.SAA02849@wicked.stigmata.org>
Well, been lurking for a REAL long time, but this one
caught my eye. Most of the shows I have been to,
especially the club shows, the moshing has always been
nuts, but at the same time, evryone has helped each other
out. In the last year or so, I have seen NIN and
KMFDM in clubs and on both occasions, everyone was worried
about anyone who got hit or went down. Most people, I
have seen, check to see if you are ok, even if
they THINK they may have hit you a little too hard.
I even remember seeing Pantera a few years ago and a guy
kinda bumped in to a friend of mine, and was like,
"Hey you ok man?" At KMFDM, everyone in the pit was having a
good time, bouncing all around and getting pushed all
around, but at the same time, making sure no one got hurt.
I think the thing that somes it up best is at the beginning
of War Ensemble on Slayer's Decade of Aggression album, when
Tom Araya says something along the lines of "Hey, we're
here to have a good time, remember that. If you see somebody go
down, help him out." I think in most cases this is completely true.
Most pits are just to get the aggression out and
enjoy the music, not to be harmful in any way.
Well, just my $.02.
BTW, anyone know if the Providence show has sold out yet?
I am planning on going and getting tix tommorrow, so keep
me in your prayers :)
Skadz
20 in 1 month and 8 days, just for the record.
PLUG PLUG PLUG PLUG PLUG PLUG
Check it out:
my DT page:
http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/dreamt.html
Hopefully I will be doing some major updating soon,
just haven't found the time yet.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:18:15 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Moshing in NY Message-ID: <199507290018.RAA28692@netcom7.netcom.com>
Moshing is fun... and moshing is the best resistance, aerobic work out you can get... even if it is slightly hazardous... football is just as hazardous...
Music should inspire something... and if it's violence, then so be it...
MOSH ON!
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:43:20 -0700 From: mjnewb@ix.netcom.com (Monty Newberry ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Bohemian Rhapsody Message-ID: <199507290543.WAA27245@ix3.ix.netcom.com>
A while back, somebody mentioned DT (there's my DT content) covering the Queen classic, "Bohemian Rhapsody." While that would sound really awesome, the band I would like to hear do that song is the Galactic Cowboys. They would get the vocal harmonies DOWN. I was just listening to their first album today and the thought hit me. Also, the mention of "Bohemian..." reminds me of my days in high school marching band when we played it for our field show. It was REALLY cool (before Wayne's World revived popular interest in it). For the same show, we also played "Roundabout." The memories of playing this stuff at the Busch Stadium marching band contest still gives me chills (I can't remember the actual name of the contest, but it was in St. Louis). We were the band that played the cool songs.
Dale R. Newberry
"I have no idea how we got the gig." -Doug Pinnick on King's X at Woodstock
P.S. I played trombone in marching band (still play, but don't march anymore - also play bass), and I'm 21 right now.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 23:49:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 905 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.950728234816.12318A-100000@freenet.grfn.org>
A polyrhythm is the superimposition of two different rhythms (or more), i.e. triplets over straight time...At the beginning of The Mirror, what is happening can be explained as a polyrhythm or more likely a polymeter, two or meters taking place at once.
M.A. VanOpstall mavanop@grfn.org
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 00:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT radio premiere Message-ID: <199507290453.AAA23174@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Attn: Brian Wherry
Hey Brian, thanks for the info about the radio broadcast. Too bad we all missed it; unless you accidentally said Fri., JULY 18 instead of Fri., AUGUST 18! :) Everyone in the NY/NJ area be sure to tape it for those of us not fortunate enough to live in that area.
See Ya!
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 01:08:09 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 905 Message-ID: <v01510100ac3f33628904@[199.232.46.229]>
>Let's cancel August so we won't have to wait so long for the ACOS EP. > >Ken the Slave
NO WAY!!! Dream Theater is playing Providence in August and it's my first time seeing them!!! Now, if you want to cancel the last three weeks of August, that will be OK.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:25:00 -0700 From: drmthter@ix.netcom.com (Frederick ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: singers Message-ID: <199507282125.OAA29473@ix9.ix.netcom.com>
I do not remember who said that the singer is not THAT important for the band, But I have to totally disagree. It usually is the singer that leads you in (at least me) to listen to the music. In this case, James is very important to DT. After finally listening to WDADU, I have realized how much James means to the band. Charlie, in my opinion, did not add any great feeling to the songs, whereas James is perfect at it. James is an instrument to the band, adding depth and emotion to the song. I am not ragging on Charlie, he was okay, but he is NO James Labrie. James is the perfect piece in the style of DT's music. DT, in my opinion, is not a 1 man band, they are all vitally important to the music, and I believe that to say that 1 member IS THE band is just wrong. EVERY member of DT is one of the finest musicians out there, Not just one of them!! Just my 2 cents,
Drmthter
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 13:12 +0300 From: Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Scarred - Ever played live? Message-ID: <9507291016.AA11719@anthor.arastar.com>
Hey Y'all! I was just curious - Was "Scarred" ever played live? Anyone willing to make me a copy? Also, any chance of someone taping "Subconciouns" for me? I would REALLY appreciate it, and I'll be glad to cover postage! Take Care
- Aviad
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 05:03:01 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Scarred - Ever played live? Message-ID: <199507291203.FAA28197@netcom12.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Aviad Shkolnikov said: >Hey Y'all! >I was just curious - Was "Scarred" ever played live? Anyone willing to >make me a copy?
Nope, Scarred has never been played live, but according to Brain Cox, supposedly they've played parts of it for sound check.
> - Aviad
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 11:25:33 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Moshing at DT Shows Message-ID: <9507291515.AA08609@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Just wanted to add my 0.02 re: moshing at DT shows...
First off, I think it's STUPID and uncalled for! Now, this is a 32-year-old writing here (noted for content), who was a concert child of the '70s. People went to concerts to LISTEN -- sure, there was lots of drinking and smoking dope, but people were mellow for the most part. The kids of the 90s strike me as having this attitutde that a concert is "their" show, and a vehicle to do *whatever* they please.
Now, on the I&W world tour, I saw over 40 shows (lost count) -- there was moshing (or attempted moshing) at each and every one!!! ...and these people didn't care, they moshed right through Another Day and Surrounded. Sorry, but DT, *to me*, strikes me as a band you wanna go listen to. Hard to pay attention to the music when you have kids being thrown on top of you and slamming into you!! The same shit started on the Awake tour ... caught the first 4 shows in order, and the best one was Berklee, cuz you had to sit down (theater style seating), hence, no moshing allowed.
No don't get me wrong, I love to mosh as much as the next person, but I hold it for *appropriate* shows, like the Ramones, Rancid or Sick of it All!
There, I have that off my chest. For those who disagree, I'm sure you'll go to see DT and do whatever the 'f' you please. But don't tread on me... I *will* beat on you of you mosh me at a DT show!
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 11:31:50 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: WDATU Message-ID: <9507291525.AA09591@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Hey -- it's me, the ever-popular YTSEJAM noter (sha...not!) here once again to add my ever-unpopular opinions to the discussions at hand...
You know, one *major* peeve with me on this list is when people get on a thread and just pound into the ground, and then some more for effect.
Mike Bahr's "When Dream and <whatever> Unite" project is one of these threads. People, leave it the hell alone, ok? A rose by any other name.......
Who *really* freakin cares WHAT Mike calls this project? The end result will still be the same (i.e., James f'ing up the syncopated vocal lines in Only A Matter of Time [grin]).
So there you have it ... I'm sure this debate is far from over and will waste at least 40k worth of bandwidth.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 10:17:18 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: POLYs (sorry 'bout length) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950729094228.21473A@emcity>
Hey Jammers, I'd just like to add my (limited) knowledge about polyrhythms. MP plays a 6 over 4 ployrhythm in EVE. During the middle part where he is hitting his snare rim with quater notes in 4/4 over 12 bars. Then, on the 6th and 7th bars, nad the 11th and 12th bars, he hits his ride cymbal in 6/4, staying within the time it takes his right hand to play four quarter notes. At least, thats what it sound like to me. Some drummers who play a lot of ployrhythms are Neil Peart, Terry Bozzio, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta. There are lots more, I'm sure. One more attempt at trying to explain a polyrhythm. Here we go, this one is a 5 over 4 polyrhytm: imagine your hands tapping 5 bars of 4 beats each (20 beats total). The left hand rests on each 5th beat, so you can count as if the left hand is playing 4 bars of 5 beats each, where the 5th beat is the rest.
right hand: 1234 1234 1234 1234 1234 left hand : 1234 R123 4R12 34R1 234R
There ar emany variations. You can move the rest around to any beat you you play on the left hand(or the right hand) such as the 1st beat or the 3rd beat,etc. Thanks for being confused with me. I hope I gave a half-way decent explanation!
John Nguyen PS - I'm 19 years old.
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