YTSEJAM Digest 848
Today's Topics:
1) ECHOLYN - no Dt content
by jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
2) +++SPOILERS+++ Dt in NJ
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 847
by Jeremy Longley <jcl1008@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 847
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 847
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
6) Live in NJ!!
by Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
7)
by Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
8) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 847
by HuntNKill@aol.com
9) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 847
by HuntNKill@aol.com
10)
by Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
11) Dt unplugged!
by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
12) Awake tab (The Mirror)
by Stanton R Guy <ab619@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
13) (INFERNO review) Screaming in Digital, v194 (fwd)
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
14) Are we back to this AGAIN?!
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
15) Misc. fragmented things
by Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
16) Unplugged is a sell-out NOT!
by Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
17) Re: Are we back to this AGAIN?!
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
18) UK Tour Dates?
by "CC. Butterworth" <cb4197@bristol.ac.uk>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 11:15:19 -0400
From: jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ECHOLYN - no Dt content
Message-ID: <9506101515.AA24633@osf1.gmu.edu>
hey all,
i'll be at the show tonite (6/10) at the Bayou wearing my Yste Jam t-shirt.
i've never heard *any* of their stuff but u guyz n galz keep goin on 'bout
them. so hey, for $6 why not?
hope to see U there :)
-john
[21 daze 'til Yanni] [24 daze 'til Queensryche] [43 +5 daze 'til +Live+]
john c. jens, jr. jjens@gmu.edu http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/
'anger is a constructive emotion, hate is not' -MJK
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 12:36:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: +++SPOILERS+++ Dt in NJ
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950610122700.6648A-100000@oak.liii.com>
I saw the show in New Jersey last night. Skip this message if you are
going to the show in NY next week and don't want any details.
++++SPOILERS++++++
+++++SPOILERS++++++
First off, Mike's drum sound was incredible- they must have worked all
day on this. Mike was also incredible, and he's one of the few drummers
that makes me take notice at a live show.
The show was very different than the early Awake shows that I saw. They
opened with Under A Glass Moon and then went into The Mirror/Lie. They
also played Surrounded and 2 new jams. Oh yeah- they also played A Change
Of Season.
They dropped the following: 6:00, Another Day, Metropolis. Maybe one or
two more. They played Learning To Live as the encore which was prefaced
by an acoustic Wait For Sleep.
The show was 130 minutes!!! Great show! I'm sure there's more details,
but someone else will have to fill you in on them :)
I can't wait to see the show again on Tuesday.
Andy
PS to Brian Cox- I met your friend David at the show ;)
akeegan@liii.com
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"Live fast, "There's only one way
Be a spark and glow awhile of life,
You'll be dead a long, long time" And that's your own"
-B. Geldof - Levellers
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 18:35:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Jeremy Longley <jcl1008@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 847
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950610183300.18653A-100000@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk>
On Sat, 10 Jun 1995 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> > Mike Patrick wrote:
> > >Um, this has been talked about before, but ever heard of Stu Hamm? I bet
> > >John Myung has.
>
> Yeah, he has. I talked to him about it - hard to get John to
> talk, ya know? He said, "Oh Yeah! He's a Monster!" (and that was it!)
>
> Stu at his best? God...um...I like "Radio Free Albemuth","Kings
> Of Sleep," and stuff off of "The Urge," including his 'Quahhogs, Anyone?'
> live bass solo...and he's always great on any live Satriani you can come
> across. Far better than that Matt "Mr. 8th Notes" Bissonette character.
> Blech.
> ************************************************************
_Finally_ ! someone who shares my distaste for Matt Bissonette!! I
reckon he's the real reason DLRs "A Little Ain't Enough" flopped... ;-P
Cheerz, Jezza
_ _ jcl1008@ The way your heart sounds makes all
(_)___ ________ _| | cam.ac.uk the difference; it's what decides if
| / -_)_ /_ / _` |_| Jeremy Longley you'll endure the pain we all feel.
_/ \___/__/__\__,_(_) Selwyn College The way your heart beats makes all
|__/ Cambridge The difference in learning to live.
^`'~*-,._.^`'~*-,._.^`'~*-,._.^`'~*-,._.^`'~*-,._.^`'~* - Dream Theater.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:01:42 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 847
Message-ID: <v01510103abffa65fc1a9@[199.232.46.229]>
>I know the response so far has been overwhelmingly for Unplugged, but I'd
>like to make a vote for WDAJU. I guess it's because of how the whole
>acoustic thing has been beaten to death and beyond by eMpTyV (Clapton and
>STP on rotation every 5 mins.). It's just way too damn trendy.
You know. I remember Pete Townsend doing awesome versions of classic Who
tunes with nothing but himself on acoustic guitar and vocals. Luckily, MTV
doesn't play videos any more, just Speed Racer, and I don't watch enough
TV, so I've really missed the whole acoustic thing. I'm thinking that DT
would sound a lot like the way Townsend did that stuff - awesome.
Just my 2 cents
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:01:47 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 847
Message-ID: <v01510104abffa74af8cd@[199.232.46.229]>
> someone wrote:
> Maybe we SHOULD do a petition of some sort
> WE WANT THE BASS TABLATURE. NOW!!
>likewise for the DRUMS!!!! (anyone agree?)
>(if I'm mistaken and they're out somewhere, please let me know!)
No way! If I had the music to the guitar, bass and drums (the keyboards are
transcribed for guitar) I'd be rippin' off so much Dream Theater it
wouldn't be funny. The bass parts would be cool so I could learn 'em. The
drum parts would land in my computer's sequencer then on any tunes I write.
Of course, if you start a drummer's petition I'll sign it :)
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:00:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Live in NJ!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950610135747.5046A-100000@atlantic>
Hello all,
I was going to post this when I got home this morning, but I was just
too damn tired. Last night I attended DT's first show in the US in '95!
It was an experience to remember! I will tell you all about it--with
spoilers, of course, for those of you attending the Malibu show in a
couple days (though I'm not sure everything will be the same). I
apologize for the length of the following, but this is my first Dream
Theater show we're talking about!
Okay, I arrived at the Birch Hill Nite Club in Old Bridge, NJ at
about 7:45 or so and got in the line for the door (which would be opening
at 8:30). I was looking around for Ytsejam shirts and it wasn't long
before I found one: worn by Jason Giuliani (sp?), who won't be back to
the list 'til September. If you recall, he had a post a while back about
his girlfriend getting a photo pass for the legendary Ronnie Scotts gig. We
talked for some time about music, mostly progressive stuff, and he spent
some time singing the praises of Echolyn, so I was getting psyched to see
what these guys were like. Unfortunately, I didn't get to meet any other
Ytsejammers, but Jason and his friends were really nice!
Probably at about 8:40 we got into the club. The first thought that
entered my mind: TINY!! This club was small! As people began to pack
themselves in like sardines, various music (mostly hard rock stuff)
played over the PA, and after several selections from the Bill and Ted's
Bogus Journey soundtrack (the final one being Primus), the first band,
Kill By Inches, took the stage at about 9:50. They were a standard, loud,
five piece sub-par mediocre thrash band who stole more than one riff from
Prong and Pantera and Lord knows who else. They weren't without talent but
they most certainly were without their own sound, and the singer seemed to
think he could get the croud pumped by saying 'fuck' as much as possible,
something that James Hetfield can do masterfully, but this guy's NO James
Hetfield (according to him, our unenthusiastic croud was "better than
fuckin' sex!!"). Most of the croud seemed happy to see them leave the
stage when they did at about 10:30 or so.
More music over the PA, more videos that did not correspond to
the music on the PA played on the TVs (Prong, Infectious Grooves, Fight,
Sepultura, Alice Cooper, Biohazard/Onyx), and even more people packed
into this tiny club. At about 11:00, Echolyn took the stage. The
guitarist, vocalist, and keyboardist immediately began speaking all at
once, saying completely different things, establishing that they had not
only a sense of humor but a terrific stage presence as well! And then
they started playing. Wow. Loud, unpredictable, and progressive as all
hell! These guys were great!! For the next 45 minutes they wowed me
with their musicianship and intracacy (kinda reminiscent of Kansas) and
harmonies (consisting of the vocalist, guitarist, and keysman). They had
refreshing energy and they looked like they were loving every minute of
it but working hard at the same time. They left the stage at about
11:45. I will pick up their CD, As the World, tomorrow!
Nearly an hour passed and the croud was getting restless waiting for
Dream Theater. The kings finally took the stage at about 12:35 or so and
began their magic! Here's the setlist:
Under a Glass Moon
The Mirror/Lie
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Instrumental Jam
Caught in a Web (w/ drum solo in the middle)
Surrounded
Keyboard Solo
A Mind Beside Itself
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
Guitar Solo
Pull Me Under
A Change of Season (new and improved!)
Encore
~~~~~
Wait For Sleep (on acoustic guitar!)
Learning to Live
Oh my God, they were great. James sounded better than I've ever
heard him sound. His voice did not crack a single time; he hit every
note right on the money!! Of course, everyone else sounded
terrific--Mike's solo was new and his best I've ever heard, John's solo
was a beautiful bluesy piece with keys accompaniment, Derek's solo was
powerful, melodic and in parts gothic with a great intro into
Erotomania. The instrumental jam was totally new (as far as I know) and
according to Mike, it's a new song they're working on. And then there
was the new A Change of Season. Wow. 23 minutes long and quite a bit
different from the original version, though not so drastic a change that
it can't be recognized. I did hear that big fat 'fuck' in there and I'm
still not sure how I feel about it. I guess I'll have to wait for the
studio version. Anyway, a lot of idiots left during A Change of Season,
but that was good for me, because it meant I could breathe during the
encore, which just happened to be my favorite DT song (Learning to
Live)! All in all, one absolutely spectacular show. DT left the stage
at about 2:45 I think.
I and my friend Brian (who is off the list for the summer) decided to
wait out back and see if they would come out. I met a guy named James
who has seen DT 22 TIMES! We talked about bootlegs and rare stuff for
awhile before going to the back door to see if we could get in and see
the guys. We walked right in and some guy told us where to go, before
stopping us when he realized we didn't have passes! So we hung out
outside for awhile longer and tried again about 10 minutes later, this
time successfully! First, I talked to John Myung. Very soft-spoken and
polite, a really nice guy. I told him how much I enjoyed the show and I
told him he should have his own solo. He replied that he didn't really
feel the need to solo, but it wasn't out of the question for it to
happen some day. We talked about the changes in ACOS and he asked if I
was a musician (I explained that I love to play the drums, but I'm not
really a drummer) before I had him sign all my official releases. Next I
got to meet Derek. Another swell guy with these incredible gripping
eyes! He asked us what our names were and everything, I told him I
thought he was doing a great job and I was glad they chose him to be in
the band, etc before he signed my stuff. I spoke to John Petrucci for
only a moment (mostly about how much I had enjoyed the show) and neither
of us had a pen so he couldn't sign anything for me. :( I didn't get to
speak to James though he did walk right by me on his way out. Finally, I
got to see Portnoy and have him sign my WDADU insert. I didn't ask him
to sign anything else because this was outside so there were a lot of
people with shit to sign and stuff to say, so I didn't want to be a
bother. Accordingly, I didn't really get to talk to him, but I DID ask
if he had gotten Subconscious yet and he said he received it on Saturday
at the Ytsecon. "I don't know where the hell he got all this stuff!" he
said. :) Mike was really tired (he thinks this was the longest set
they've ever played) so he took off after hanging out and signing stuff
for about ten minutes ("You guys are crazy to have waited this long!"--it
was about 4:40 when he came out). I gave a couple guys instructions
about how to get on the 'jam :) and then we left.
What a great experience! I can't wait to see them again. :) :) :)
--ROb
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950610131948.26603B-100000@mercury>
I just got Subconscious and Live in Tokyo at the same time yesterday. . .
They rule the world!!!
Subconscious:
It's all good. The track for Winter was a little scratchy,
but everything else was quite clean. What is this Mystery track
about? What is it for? And where did Mike get all the tracks from?
Live in Tokyo:
Oh my god!! This video rules the world!!! It totally does.
I had been looking for it for about 4 months, and couldn't find it.
Then blockbuster called me up on Wednesday and told me that they
had got it in. I think I had a heart attack! I had about four more
when I saw the video. They should put a sign on all Dream Theater
material: WARNING This product is so cool, it may cause repeated
heart attacks and brain damage. Should be used in measured doses.
Tim,
When are we going to get the Instrumental CD's? Are you
waiting to fill a certain quota? How did you get a hold of them
anyways? I really want to hear Dream Theater do YYZ. I think
that will kill me. Oh my god!!!
When might we get another round of Ytsejam t-shirts, and other
apparel? I missed out on them all, I'm too new here. Dope!!
-Jun-Dai Bates
"Are there spots in a leopard's eyes, also?"
Yume no gekijoo -The Crow
"The rain fell, like blankets of night."
bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu -The Jester
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 16:43:40 -0400
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 847
Message-ID: <950610164340_68116711@aol.com>
In a message dated 95-06-10 10:46:57 EDT, you write:
>What are you talking about, Mike? "apparently it didn't happen..."
>--
>*I* was there and saw/heard it first hand. Mike Portnoy made it
>pretty
>clear when he pulled the tapes of ACOS/the RS gig out of his pocket,
>that
>these were FRESH out of the studio, and that noone outside of the
>band
>had heard these ... he joked that people please put away their tape
>recorders, but I think he was seriously concerned about someone
>bootlegging
>the preview and distributing it. There are copywright issues at hand
>here,
>folks. I know ytsejammers hate to think of such trivial music
>business
>issues, but they're real.
>
>My suggestion -- that dude who bootlegged ACOS destroy the copy in
>good
>faith and DO NOT distribute it in trades!
Hey, it's Jeff again. Buck, you shouldn't be concerned. There is no copy of
ACOS. So, there's nothing to distribute. Even if I did have a copy, I'd
destroy it anyway before anything happens. So, this issue is over. Okay?
Yours,
Jeff =)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 16:43:51 -0400
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 847
Message-ID: <950610164350_68116765@aol.com>
In a message dated 95-06-10 10:46:57 EDT, you write:
>I am currently in the process of creating a DT Song Book (a file
> containing all their lyrics, similar to the Pearl Jam one if you
>know
> what that is). I currently have all 3 studio albums and the
>Majesty
> demo done (I am working on the stuff from Subconsious right
>now). I'll
> let everyone know when I get the first revision done, so you can
>get a
> copy. What I need is the detailed breakdown of the samples on
>Awake (I
> think someone posted those here a couple of months ago), if you
>could
> email me those privately I would appreciate it. Thanks in
>advance...
All of the recitations in Awake are in the Awake guitar tablature book.
Yours,
Jeff =)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950610134454.26603C-100000@mercury>
How many 'jammers here live on the West coast?
Also:
(i) I think that instead of just a tablature book, or drum
book or bass book, we should go for the whole fucking score of
Dream Theater, especially Images and Words. I really want to see
the keyboard part for wait for sleep. I tried to learn it, but every
time, it seems like he's adding another harmony line. When Derek
can write something up to the level of "Wait for Sleep", then I
will not in the least question his worthiness to be in Dream Theater.
(ii) I think Unplugged would be nice to see, but I really
want both options. I think WDAJU can wait a few extra months.
(iii) If anyone gets the info for the fanzine Images and
Words, or the fanclub, just post it. Then no one will be wondering.
It should totally be written in the the FAQ.
-Jun-Dai Bates
P.S. it's "Jagermeister" with an umlaut over the "a" (pronounced,
/Yoggermeister/, I think. I have a small bottle of it here.
Good stuff, kinda like vodka. Doornkaat is also good.
-Jun-Dai Bates
"Are there spots in a leopard's eyes, also?"
Yume no gekijoo -The Crow
"The rain fell, like blankets of night."
bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu -The Jester
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: DT:;@donews.uucp
Subject: Dt unplugged!
Message-ID: <01HRJSCIPLMQ004461@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
DT Unplugged!! is the only way to go man!!
that would be totally awesome...
and i dont think it is a sellout either, guys... first, the silent man is an
acoustic song i think the guys did it that way because they play in wide
variety of styles...they think Orchestrally...most bands have only ONE sound
and that's it ... forget being musical about guitar tones, keyboard patches,
different vocal styles, and creative drumming....but DT does all of this
because they are conscious of the fact that there instruments are very
versatile...
second... there is a long tradition of acoustic songs and arrangements in
progressive music...long before eMpTyV did the unplugged thing... look back
at all of the bands DT claims as influences from the prog era of the 70s...
Rush, Yes, kansas, etc... these guys did a good bit of acoustic stuff...
why shouldnt the guys in DT do acoustic??
being yourself and doing things your OWN way does NOT mean avoiding anthing
that is popular like the plague... it means DOING IT YOUR OWN WAY....
.02
anthony kozar
akozar@uoft02.utoledo.edu
http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 21:32:48 -0300
From: Stanton R Guy <ab619@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Awake tab (The Mirror)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.88.9506102141.A8236-0100000@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
The music stores around here still don't have the Awake book out yet
(didn't someone say it was discontinued?), and there's just one thing
that I want to know. How does that clean part in the Mirror go?
Is there anyone out there that got the book that would mind writing it
up? Just the clean bit.
Thanks a lot
CCC
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 21:02:36 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Paul Lapinski <plapin@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Subject: (INFERNO review) Screaming in Digital, v194 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950610202846.28738A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Here is a review of INFERNO's new demo tape 'Architect'. The review was
written by Shag (moderator of the on-line Queensryche internet digest).
If you are interested in purchasing this demo,
simply mail a check or money order (made payable to Jay
Peele) for $6 to the address given below (FL). If you would
like to receive updates on INFERNO, I can add you to our group
e-mail list. E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
Thanks (I hope to hear from you),
Jay Peele
INFERNO
SCREAMING IN DIGITAL
The On-Line Queensryche Digest : Volume 194 - 05Jun95
INFERNO review Dan (shag@ios.com)
On Architect, their five-track 1995 demo, Florida progmetal act
Inferno succeed by not trying to be Queensryche. Not to say that the
influence isn't there - it's quite obvious at times. But the band also
displays strong influences from the likes of Fates Warning, Dream
Theater and even Rush. A good part of the distinction stems from the
band's lineup. Vocalist/guitarist Jay Peele and guitarist Kier
Whitacre both also play synthesizers, and bassist Paul Lapinski and
drummer Kenny Phillips exercise enough dynamic control that the
overall effect feels more ethereal than most progmetal. Peele should
also be commended for singing strongly within his dynamic range, and
not stretching for any Queen of the Reich screams.
The tape's cerebral lyrics and tight sound should land it squarely in
the progressive section of most collections. The Second Hand and
Drawing Lines, the first and last songs respectively, are fairly
straightforward songs with rhymed lyrics and music reminiscent of
Fates Warning's recent work. The second track, Staring Into Chaos, is
the hardest piece, with cacaphonic samples reminiscent of
Queensryche's mid-80's work. The fourth track, Panels - which segues
into a short spoken-word piece, Panel 1 - is perhaps the best part of
the demo, featuring a variety of rhythms and textures comparable to
that flaunted by Dream Theater. For a self-produced demo, this
19-minute offering has an extremely professional sound, and one can
only hope that the band has the time, determination and productivity
to release a full-length recording in the near future. To contact
Inferno:
The Infernal Vision
c/o Jay Peele
6556 Fern Street
Green Cove Springs, FL 32043
(904) 284-0707
jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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$5 covers the cost of 'Architect' (the digalog cassette) and $1 covers
the postage. Thanks - J
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 21:20:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Are we back to this AGAIN?!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950610210715.22523B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Ugh...
Look, I'm gonna have to side with Doc Mosh on this I & W
production thing - even though we've had our little indirect
tiffs/disagreements in the past, I'm definitely in agreement with him.
Prater is a very high gloss producer. His choice of snare samples
are generally very cold and very thin. Not only that, but, the MIDI noise
which Doc spoke of (and I'm assuming this is what you mean) refers to the
sampled snares. Listen to the snare when Mike plays a really quick snare
fill. It sounds like dick on rye.
This is caused, in laymans terms, by the sampled drum unit
saying, "WAIT! I can't get the next sample out, I'm not finished with the
last one!" And you hear that small clipping of the snare...okay, HUGE
clipping of the snare. (Was trying to be nice...)
If he'd left the real kick & snare in, it might've helped warm
the sound. I believe that's what Doc meant by sounding "sickly & thin."
Sure, it's bassy, but...eh...I like the guitar tones for the most part,
and I've posted WAAAAAAAAAY too much already about the bass on that CD...
Kev's keyboards are fine most of the time.
Anyway, to reiterate what I've said before, AWAKE is probably the
BEST Production/Engineering job to date, out of everything they've
released. Period. It sounds so damned full, it's disgusting. =)
On a semi-related note, Dave Neff came out AGAIN to see my band
last night! Whoa...Oddly enough, he got to witness me back up on stage
with my old band (who we opened for), and two other former members. Was
quite amusing. =) Thanks again, Dave!
And, sadly, we have a show on June 17th, so, you won't be seeing
me at the DT show. Could someone tell Mike, "Hairball said Yo."? It's
THREE WORDS! Someone? Anyone?
Alrighty then.
-Hairball, engineered out...
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Misc. fragmented things
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950610235755.1086A-100000@linet01>
--Ytsecon was great. I thank everyone for everything semi-related to it,
except some of the excessive smoking, but that's just my opinion....I
really liked hearing ACOS; it ws my first chance to hear the song...since
then I heard the version Mike Bahr put on Subconsious (thanks) and am not
sure which I prefer. Too soon to tell.
ANYWAY, I have 2 tickets for Tuesday's show at Lido Beach, and the friend
I got the other ticket for can't go so I'm looking for someone to go with.
If you are interested, email me, & we'll talk...thanks. Rachel wisha@LI.NET
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 18:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Unplugged is a sell-out NOT!
Message-ID: <199506110157.SAA00553@amy5.Stanford.EDU>
Fellow 'jammers,
I've watched with great interest as people wrote to the list to voice
their opinions on whether a James w/ old DT disk or a DT unplugged disk should
be produced first. Well, I didn't really care, as i will likely not order
either of them, so I wasn't going to mail my opinion on the matter. . . .
UNTIL a couple of people wrote that DT playing an unplugged album was
a sell-out because so many other people have done them. GET REAL! Dream
Theater and the rest of progressive rock is about expanding musical horizons
and exploring new ideas. The unplugged venue is one of the best ways to do
that! Artists of all calibers have succesfully made beautiful music by
adapting their old electrical stuff to an acoustic format. I mean, think about
Clapton and "Layla". He gave that song an entirely different meaning in its
unplugged version. Or Nirvana, who actually made some good music by taking
their songs out of their normal, trashy sound and putting them into non-powered
instruments. Or Page and Plant, who turned old Zeppelin tunes into completely
different animals in their last album.
If DT does acoustic versions of their songs, it doesn't mean that they'll
be just like Nirvana and Page/Plant; they'll be like DT, but acoustical.
I think they could find a lot of ways to bring new ideas and new meanings to
their songs, and I'm very curious to hear the results (especially Wait for
Sleep, which might be their most beautiful song yet).
Oh, one last thing. I do hope that the new Kansas album is good. All I
can say about that band is anyone who likes DT's I&W because of its intensity,
complexity, and drive should do this, if they haven't done it yet:
Grab a copy of the "Point of No Return" album, put it in your stereo
and play "Spider" really loud. It will blow your mind. What a band! And the
best thing is, you can see Kansas live for practically nothing. I saw them a
couple of years ago with three other bands (albeit bad ones) for $7! They're
not what they used to be, but they're still pros with a great show.
Nathan Meezan
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 00:19:58 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Are we back to this AGAIN?!
Message-ID: <199506110719.AAA26645@netcom21.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Hairball said:
>
> Prater is a very high gloss producer. His choice of snare samples
>are generally very cold and very thin. Not only that, but, the MIDI noise
>which Doc spoke of (and I'm assuming this is what you mean) refers to the
>sampled snares. Listen to the snare when Mike plays a really quick snare
>fill. It sounds like dick on rye.
>
Not only that, but play the beginning of Another Day, just before the
keyboards come in, you can hear the MIDI hum of the keyboards too!
> Anyway, to reiterate what I've said before, AWAKE is probably the
>BEST Production/Engineering job to date, out of everything they've
>released. Period. It sounds so damned full, it's disgusting. =)
>
Awake is an amazing piece of production. The dynamic range on that
CD is incredible. It also was mastered really well.
>
>-Hairball, engineered out...
>
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:30:08 +0100 (BST) From: "CC. Butterworth" <cb4197@bristol.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: UK Tour Dates? Message-ID: <22841.9506111330@irix.bris.ac.uk>
Greetings!
Does anyone know of any imminent UK shows? A post a while ago said that DT may return to the UKin July, but I haven't heard any more....
Thanks alot.
Cassian Butterworth: cb4197@bris.ac.uk
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