YTSEJAM Digest 852
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 850
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
2) "Triplets"
by Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
3) Re: the F-word in ACOS
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 850
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
5) Concert Week, (King Crimson - Washington DC) - Part 2
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Aussie Tour
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <slayerbr@student.gu.edu.au>
9) possibly for sale: DREAM IN PROGRESS 2 CD
by TIM LODGE -SGA/MACLAB POLITICAL SCIENCE '95 <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
10) More Randoms...
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
11) The Midwest
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
12) DT in movies <again>
by Jarrod N Ramseylewis <sac73479@saclink.csus.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
by Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
14) Re: various things
by curth@execpc.com
15) The "F" word
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
by Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
17) Re: the F-word
by "Ken H ili" <KEN@benoni.nbr.no>
18) Hey
by John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
19) School/Career
by "Berkoski_Leonard" <Berkoski#u#Leonard@mnb2.fss-moses.lockheed.com>
20) drum Silent Man?
by omman@solar.sky.net
21) Recent shows
by Rohit Modak <rmm30@columbia.edu>
22) The "F" Word
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte)
23) Re: IF ending
by stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
24) Space-dyed OJ
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 850
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950614174407.22934A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Stephen D. Van Hooser wrote:
>
> Images and Words really did these things well, and Awake to a lesser
> extent. Profanity in a Dream Theater song sort of suggests that, yes,
> Dream Theater is headed in a direction away from art-rock (and the Images
> and Words style), and it's sort of a bummer in my opion.
Prog bands can swear, too. Just listen to Marillion's "She Chameleon"
written by one of the best (IMHO) prog-rock lyricists- Fish.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:33:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: "Triplets"
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506141501.A16738-0100000@ese.UCSC.EDU>
Aargh! This goes out to everyone who says that JP plays "triplets" at
the beginning of The Mirror:
Three notes followed by a rest does not a triplet make!
If it were triplets, the three notes would just come one right after
another without stopping. The fact that you can tell that it is a group
of 3 notes (one two three pause) means that he's playing to a four-based
rhythm. So there :P :)
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:54:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: the F-word in ACOS
Message-ID: <199506142254.PAA23261@malibu.sfu.ca>
> music. That it's epic and deep. When I talked to her on the phone last
> night I told her about how they put the F word in ACoS. She thinks that we
> should start a petition to get it taken out of there (giggle). Upon further
hehe...i don't think we should go that far :)
personally i don't mind that word...i use it sometimes myself :)
it can be used to convey a certain emotion like anger. that's what swearing
is to me...if i'm really angry i use it, and then people around me know that
i'm not pleased :)
i'm not saying they should go out and write a song full of the F-word,
like skid row did, but here and there i don't mind it.
Like someone else mentioned (sorry i can't remember who), Metallica uses it
better than anyone, and if DT uses it in similar circumstances it won't
bother me.
tim
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:58:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 850
Message-ID: <9506150058.AA160321@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hello all,
I just thought I'd let you know that I've had a taker for the
copy of WD&DU that was ultra cheap here. So sorry to anyone else who was
interested. If I see another one (this is the second one that I've
spotted used in that store) I'll post again.
Erin Go Bragh
Bracken
"...Without music, life would be an error."
Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:44:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Wiblet <jsbh+echolyn@andrew.cmu.edu>
Cc: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Concert Week, (King Crimson - Washington DC) - Part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.950614204011.9228A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
SPOILER!
SPOILER!
SPOILER!
Gig Review (King Crimson, Washington DC) 6/7/95
-----------------------------------------------
Well, it had been almost a week since I saw Crimson in Philly and I was
going to be able to see them again tonight. Fortunately I didn't have to
drive today and the group was in no hurry to get down to DC. I drove
over to my friend Tom's house and waited for the arrival of the other two
guys who where travelling down there with us. Josh, John, Tom, and
myself piled into the LaBaron, popped in a prog tape I made for Tom some
time ago and headed for the city. We travelled down MD 97 behind an
entire convoy of dump trucks, which got to be quite annoying after 20
miles, before they finally turned off. The trip promised to be
interesting since none of us knew the way to the Warner Theater, I was
navigating since Josh and John were known to get carsick while reading in
a moving vehicle. After about 1 1/2 hours sirens from emergency vehicles
resounded through the air. We had entered the city! The area of DC was
pretty run down along GA Ave, and the traffic was hellacious. Supper's
Ready played through the speakers as we found the parking garage next to
the theater at 13th and E street. We parked and travelled up into the
heart of the city.
The group headed for the Mall in the center of DC because we
planned to visit the Air and Space museum. Nothing exciting really
happened on the way, but I do remember one thing. The heat was terrible
and when we arrived at the museum the whole entry room was filled with
people who had stopped just to make use of the air conditioning. (The
admission was free) We checked out the NASA exhibits (It had been years
since any of us were at the museum), the WW I & WW II planes and
displays. I appreciate the place a lot more when I understand what the
history is behind the Spitfire, Hellcat, and other planes. We saw an
IMAX (large stereo wall screen curved to simulate 3-D) film about
Discovery (the US space shuttle) and about the future of space
exploration (narrated by Leonard Nimoy). No, Journey to the Center of
the Cosmos was not playing, but the experience was grand. Highlights
were computer replication on the surfaces of Mars and Venus and a
simulated travel over the landscape, a shuttle lauch from about 40 feet
from the ship, and the deployment of the Hubble Space Telescope. After
this we split for food since it was 6:00PM and the concert was scheduled
to start at 7:30PM.
We stumbled upon the world's slowest McDonald's on E street and
ate there (ten minutes to get food when one person is in front of you in
line, Yuck!!!). After attempting to digest the French Fries we headed to
the Theater. We got inside and since it was about 7PM we had time to get
shirts and check out the theater. My first impression was that this
place is beautiful! The theater was ornately decorated with gold paint
and figures carved in the walls and around the barcony level. The seats
were very nice and comfortable and they had a bar which served wine and
mixed drinks inside the theater. I picked up a couple of drafts and
headed for the stage to check out the band's equipment. The things that
struck me:
1. Adrian Belew has more pedals than I have ever seen a guitarist use
(I saw at least six)
2. Fripp is well positioned between the drummers because his equipment
looks and fits well between the kits. He also has the most equipment
behind Bruford and Masteletto.
3. I noticed the plexiglass barriers again and they seem to do a great deal
to aid in instrument separation. Drummer's snares are usually
rattling during bass and guitar solos at rock concerts and the glass
seems to dampen this and probably helps the musician's ears.
I saw a few people I knew and chatted, then we sat in our 9th row
center seats for The California Guitar Trio's set. They sounded equally
impressive at both venues. Got to hear Kan-Non Power from the RFSQ
album, and part of Schizoid Man, plus the Bach piece and The Good, the
Bad, and the Ugly (a crowd favorite!). This group seems to be genuine
when they look out at the end of their set in amazement at the great
applause from the audience.
Crimson came on about a half hour later and openen once again
with VROOM Coda Marine. The band seemed a lot more excited this evening
and I guess it was due to the smaller venue, or some inside band thing,
who knows with these guys. <grin> Highlights include:
1. My favorite thing about this performance was the Improv in Thrak. I
am really surprised that more people haven't posted about this yet, since
it was so different and amazing. All other versions of Thrak I have
heard pale in comparison to this. The main theme started and about 2
minutes into the song Fripp kicked in some wild soundscapes, and Belew
and Gunn broke off into their own little world. Fripp began playing with
telephone ringing, the phone would ring and when it stopped the main
theme of Thrak would echo through. Fripp was "calling the boys home from
the skirmish" so to speak. This thing deserves to be recorded.
2. As others have noted, when you see two shows it is easier to pick out
some parts of the music. Gunn was easier to follow in this show than in
Philly. He was alternating between guitar-type parts and a layering
sound the he was using when Fripp would move into the lead role or
interplay with Adrian (Discipline songs).
3. Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream, this is getting some airplay in Baltimore,
but Fripp got up from the stool not once, but twice during an emotional
guitar part. This really isn't my favorite song but it is great to see
Fripp so engaged.
4. Elephant Talk was again exceptional, the stoner in my row was
bouncing up and down for this, not as exciting as the 350 lb guy who was
dancing in Philly, but interesting.
5. Indiscipline had Bruford grinning from ear to ear again. During the
stick and drum part at the beginning my friend Tom yelled "Bruford" and
Bill smiled at him as Tony snapped his head around to see who said it.
Bruford continued to laugh. Belew had to wait for some screaming to
continue the song.
6. The Talking Drum, Lark's Tongues in Aspic II, and the intro was
terrific as the second encore. A girl in a Starless and Bible Black
shirt engaged in an orgasm when she recognized The Talking Drum. <grin>
Again I think The Talking Drum is a song that gains alot from the double
trio formation, I have never really gotten into it on LTIA.
Comment:
1. Masteletto seemed to play less tonight than in Philly, I don't know
if he was ill or something but he left the stage quite often, and was
missing parts. It sounded fine with Bruford playing but some of the
intricate rhythms were missing in a couple of songs.
After the show I chatted with the Sony guy who was handing out flyers for
a free Echolyn concert in DC on Saturday night. I talked to him about
Dream Theater and Echolyn for a bit, and I saw his Ytsejam Virginia lic.
plate on the way to the garage. I forced some Dream Theater down on the
guys on the way back. I crashed hard and got a couple hours of sleep
before work at 7 AM.
Thanks to King Crimson, The California Guitar Trio, and The Warner
Theater for making these two shows great!!
... continued in Part 3 Bon Lonzaga / Caryn Lin show
Questions or comments....
Michael Backof
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:47:17 +1200
From: euan@waikato.ac.nz
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
Message-ID: <v01510102ac053f4e9044@[130.217.176.34]>
>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:37:17 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytse jam)
>Subject: Question & Answer
>Message-ID: <199506141837.OAA04186@grex.cyberspace.org>
>
>Hey Jammerz,
>
> First a Question: I read in "Guitar for the Practicing
>Musician" magazine and while back that JP and Steve Morse recorded a track
>together for a compilation album. Of course, I can't find that issue. Does
>anyone know if this track exists? and if so, what is the name of the album.
The first album on which I ever heard DT play was some instrumental guitar
album called Metal Guitars I picked up from the local record store back in
1990. Being a bit of a shred head I saw the Roadrunner label (which
Shrapnel records are marketed under) and thought cool. On it there is a
track by Steve Morse. I cannot recall what it was called and sadly the
tape passed through my hands onto the little bastard that took it so I
cannot give any more info about it. Anyway, the very next track after
Steve's one was called Ytse Jam by this group called Dream Theater. The
rest is history...
What do I do? Well, I am a clerk for the Language Institute here in New
Zealand. We teach english to foreign students studying at Waikato
University. I basically shuffle paper all day, and then at night I tend
bar at a local drinking establishment. In between, I play my DT CD's and
do F**K all except listen.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:43:21 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
Message-ID: <v01510102ac05599e267a@[199.232.46.229]>
>Wait for Sleep is probably not to hard for anyone whose been playing
>keyboards for a while, but it would be almost impossible to figure
>out what every line and harmony is. So unless Kevin Moore has taught
>anyone to play it, Derek my not know how. I'm sure that Petrucci only
>played the melody with a simpler harmony. Any comments?
My only comment is, since Moore is a keyboardist, he could have easily -
more easily than anyone else - plugged into a sequencer and recorded the
whole thing. I'd be surprised if he used a tape recorder because of how
easy it is for him to use a sequencer. Next step, if not done already, is
to plug the sequencer into your Mac, startup your notation software and
print out the music. Then learn it or read it until you know it. But maybe
Moore does everything in his head.
you asked
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:51:37 +1000 (EST)
From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <slayerbr@student.gu.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Aussie Tour
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950615124952.16256C-100000@frodo>
Does anyone know if there are any plans to bring Dream Theatre
down to Australia?
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 0:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: TIM LODGE -SGA/MACLAB POLITICAL SCIENCE '95 <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: possibly for sale: DREAM IN PROGRESS 2 CD
Message-ID: <950615001400.24010934@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
If there is enough serious interest from people here on the 'jam ,
I can offer the following Dream theater 2 CD live set.
DREAM THEATER - "DREAM IN PROGRESS"
Soundboard Recording from a Japanese Images and Words show.
2 CD's. Nice artwork.
Metropolis, Mission:Impossible, Afterlife, Under a Glass Moon
, Wait for Sleep, Surrounded, Ytsejam, Puppies on Acid, Take the Time,
To Live Forever, A Fortune in Lies, Another Day, Pull me Under,
Eve, Learning to Live.
Price would be around $45 plus shipping for this 2 cd set.
Again, please email me if you are seriously interested in
purchasing one of these 2 cd sets.
Tim
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:47:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: More Randoms...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950615002614.9497B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Greetings all...
Ya know, I think I need to start reading more carefully. =) I
missed the question about what us YtseJammers do...not that everyone
who's been on this list longer than me (and others who've been around)
doesn't know all this shit already, but...
I'm a student at Temple University. If all goes according to
"plan," I will be finished all of my course work at the end of July! My
major is called "Radio-TV-Film," or R.T.F. (We're into acronyms at
Temple, too!) Anyway, it amounts to a B.A. in Communications, which
doesn't amount to squat in this day & age...but, nonetheless, I will have
a nice diploma to hang over the fry-grease pit at the McDonald's I'm
going to wind up working at.
My main area of focus is audio production. Sure, I've got crap
for equipment, but, I'm managing. (sort of...) I currently have two jobs,
a band, a girlfriend, and am squeezing out 9 credits in 6 weeks this
first summer session. Rest assured, I'll be blitzed off my gord around
5pm on July 3rd when this mini-semester's over!
Ever wonder what my week is like? If you don't, skip a bit.
Mon: Class, 9am - 2pm. Band Practice.
Tue: Class, 9am - 2pm. Intern at WPST (97.5) Get home @ 12am.
Wed: Class, 9am - 2pm. Work from appx. 3pm - 10pm.
Thu: Class, 9am - 2pm. Band Practice.
Fri: My Day Off! I take care of things around the "house."
Sat: Work, 10am - 5pm. Sleep. Work 12am-5am (early sun.) @ WPST
Sun: Sleep around 8am - 2pm. Work 4pm - 10pm.
And, that's what *I* do! =)
Anyway, on a DT related note, a keyboardist who one of our
guitarists was talking to about playing with us came by. Seeing as no one
else was around, I played "host," and showed him some of our tunes.
One way or another, I mentioned DT, and they happened to be in
the CD-Not-so-Boom(y)-Box that I had in our practice room. I played part
of Metropolis & all of TTT. He was impressed. =)
Well, that's enough for now...
-Hairball
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:47:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The Midwest
Message-ID: <9506150447.AA85505@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hello all,
I just thought that if there is any twinkling of another Ytsecon
in anyone's eye (or mind) that perhaps it would be better to find neutral
ground upon which to hold it so that all of us DT fans out here in the
west don't feel so left out. How about a midway point between the
midwest and the west? Shall we say Colorado? Hmmm, could I be biased?
I personally think that the guys in DT would enjoy moving to Colorado
better than someplace in the midwest (not an insult, believe me). We
have those wonderful cows as well as mountains! Whoo hoo, God's
country! Oh, now I'm just being silly.
BTW, as concerns occupation, I am a graduate student in
philosophy. I also teach philosophy here to fund my education. Please
don't ask me what in the hell I'm going to do with a degree in
philosophy. It should be obvious. Corruption of the youth is a proud
tradition to carry on!
In that vien, I think that James singing the accursed fuck word
(derived from fokken, meaning "to beat against") isn't that big of a
deal. It's only a word. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION words only hurt us when
they are intended to deride, degrade or threaten. Thusly, if JL had sung a
racial epithet I would be upset, but when he says a word that I use
practically everyday for emphasis I don't even notice. Of course there
are places where vulgarities aren't proper, but rock and roll
(progressive rock, art rock, syncopated rock, whatever) isn't one of those
places unless it's wielded clumsily. I would find the word ascertain to be
annoying if it were used improperly or too frequently.
So much for my rambling. I hope I haven't fuckin' offended
anyone (I'm joking here, I swear it!).
Bracken
"...Without music, life would be an error."
Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:25:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jarrod N Ramseylewis <sac73479@saclink.csus.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DT in movies <again>
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506142249.A15735-0100000@saclink1.csus.edu>
I posted once before about a recent movie in which I saw "ytse
jam" in the credits. I figured no one mentioned anything because they
either didn't believe me or they just didn't care. Hell, I didn't believe
myself. That's why I have it on tape. Sure enough, at the end of the film
"Serial Mom" (it's a terrible movie btw) it mentions the ytse jam inc. as
having something to do with the entertainment. Can someone clue me in here?
Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis
University of Portland
(temporarily relocated)
P.S. What about us on the west coast. Haven't you guys had enough
back there? Come on, share the wealth.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950614231249.584C-100000@mercury>
Somebody mentioned that Dream Theater was similar to Classical music...
I think that nailed it on the spot. Dream Theater is so far the most
complicated music in rock that I have heard. Rush would probably be
more complicated, but they have only three members. Additionally,
Classical music developed over centuries reaching peaks in complexity
around Bach and Mahler and Schonberg. Perhaps Dream Theater is ahead of
its time. It sounds as though Dream Theater has developed rock into an
incredibly complicated set of structures and rules, at least as far as
chords go. Also, it seems that the only pieces that they wrote that had
any form worth mentioning were the pieces Kevin Moore wrote the lyrics
to.
Just as a test, how many of you like Classical music?
How many don't?
-Jun-Dai Bates
P.S. I'm still a high school student (a junior) for the guy that
asked what we do. Are there any others?
"Are there spots in a leopard's eyes, also?"
Yume no gekijoo -The Crow
"The rain fell, like blankets of night."
bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu -The Jester
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:30:17 -0500
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: various things
Message-ID: <199506150630.BAA20910@earth.execpc.com>
Hey everyone!
Just a couple of replies:
To J.R. - I'd have to disagree about DT opening up for someone else. Yea it'd
be cool from the stand point that they'd sell more records, but I like the
idea that they "earn" their fans the hard (and old-fashioned) way - word of
mouth (just as Rush did). Also, if they were to open, they wouldn't be able
to play a 2 hour set which obviously would suck!
To Siegfried: since you've never hooked up your DAT deck to the satellite, how
about doing it now (as in today even) to make sure that things work out okay,
that you'll be able to tape the show. And if things don't work out, then
maybe you can figure out some other way to tape it.
And, my question of the day (nothing major) - were there any differences in
the set that was played in NY and NJ? If so, what were they?
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 02:51:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam )
Subject: The "F" word
Message-ID: <199506150651.CAA17829@grex.cyberspace.org>
I don't mind if DT uses "F*ck" to get their point across. I mean,
I wouldn't want to censor those that I consider freinds.
Just my $0.02 -John
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 851
Message-ID: <199506150743.AAA22234@elaine26.Stanford.EDU>
Hey 'Jammers,
I'd like to get a little feedback from y'all about Awake compared to
Images and Words. After my first couple of weeks on the list, I get the
feeling that most of you guys are bigger fans of I&W than of Awake; that is,
you like DT's sound and music on I&W better than that on Awake. Is that an
accurate feeling, or am I off here?
If you do like I&W better than Awake, my next question is: WHY?
Personally, I feel that Awake is vastly superior to its predecesor. I've also
heard that I&W is much better than When Dream and Day unite, or whatever the
first album is (which I don't even own). I read a post on the last issue that
someone wrote about how Awake got away from the "art rock" of I&W. Damn right!
Compared to Awake, I&W seemed forced, almost contrived, like they set out to
write pieces about technical ideas instead of musical or emotional ones. Not
to say that I&W isn't a fabulous album, but Awake is so much more. . . more
PURE. And it's more than just the sound being better.
The perfect example is the song 6 O'CLOCK, hands down my favorite DT song.
It's so powerful and driving, using its complexity to add excitement and energy
to the song instead of just complexity. It's such a COOL SONG! I can't
beleive that it's missing from the set lists of so many of their concerts.
Am I just out in left field compared to you guys, or what? Just curious.
Nathan Meezan
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:40:25 GMT+0100
From: "Ken H ili" <KEN@benoni.nbr.no>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: the F-word
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.950615114025.448@benoni.nbr.no>
In Ytsejam 850, Andy wrote:
<<<Regarding the F-word in the new version of ACOS - what's the big deal???
There's a band over here called The Wildhearts who totally take the piss out
of the warning sticker business, cos they put stickers on their records saying
WARNING - contains language that may offend some people even though they use
it themselves!>>>
Yeah, I saw their spelling of the famous F-word on one of their
albums. It said: "p. h. u. q."
Pretty cool, I wonder if the music is any good...
Peace,
Ken Hcili, Mo i Rana, Norway
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:54:24 -0400
From: John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Hey
Message-ID: <199506151154.HAA07713@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
Jun-Dai Bates wrote:
> Wait for Sleep is probably not to hard for anyone whose been playing
> keyboards for a while, but it would be almost impossible to figure
> out what every line and harmony is. So unless Kevin Moore has taught
> anyone to play it, Derek my not know how. I'm sure that Petrucci only
> played the melody with a simpler harmony. Any comments?
>
Uhhh, I have the I&W tab book and it is listed in there. It's pretty
complex. (I play keyboards although I sound more like a dying cow than
anything coherent.) From what my ear tells me, it looks like what is
written in the tab book is exactly as Kevin wrote it. You're right.
Derek may not know how to play it yet. He is still learning LTL. (as
from what I could hear when they played in NJ and from what I read about
the NY show.) Give the guy a break. He's got big shoes to fill. I mean
Kevin wrote it. It is his style. Derek has to learn Kevin's style. As for
Petrucci playing a simpler melody, I think it was he and John Myung that
played it together and made the entire sound. But I'm sure someone like
Petrucci could play it himself. Maybe he did and Myung added some extra
bass harmonies. It is all tabbed out in the book. So, being able to play
it isn't totally out of the picture. Sorry, this is not a flame, just
comments. :)
> LaBrie used the "F" word
>
My opinion about that is that it is less noticable when it flows with
the song. I think putting it in ACOS was wrong because it doesn't flow
with their style nor the song.
J. R. McCullough wrote:
> Will DT ever link up with a big-time band and open? I'd love to see
> DT open for Van Halen.
>
I dunno. If they did, I would hope it would be for Queensryche or Rush.
But then again, they are headlining shows now, playing for literally hours
on end. Do you think it would be fitting for them to cut down their set
to something like 45 minutes to open for another band? *Hello, we're Dream
Theater and this is one of our songs, A Change Of Seasons. It's fairly long
so thank you and good night...* :) They play large venues over in Japan and
Europe right now. It is just that the US mainstream isn't into Prog. If they
were, then DT would be larger. I think that it is neat that they have this
cult following.
M. Martin wanted to know what I did for a living. I am a Unix Sys-Admin
for the Lockheed Martin Corporation. I think that it is cool that DT
strikes a chord with so many diverse people.
See you around,
Johnny, the guy who just recently decided to de-cloak himself and
flap at the gums more times than necessary.
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Date: 14 Jun 1995 23:15:28 -0400
From: "Berkoski_Leonard" <Berkoski#u#Leonard@mnb2.fss-moses.lockheed.com>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: School/Career
Message-ID: <n1408910631.43930@mnb2.fss-moses.lockheed.com>
In response to:
>One question for all you YTSE-Jammers...what do you all do? I
>know some are students, but for what? And for those of you with
>careers, what would they be?
I am currently a Flight Controller for the Hubble Space Telescope (no, I'm
not kidding ... I really am a rocket scientist!), and graduated from the
University of Maryland with an Electrical Engineering degree in '93. I'm
currently working on a Master's degree in the same field. I have the feeling
a lot of Ytsejammers have a technical background, and often liked
Rush/Yes/Genesis/etc. growing up.
Leonard Berkoski III
P.S. Thanks Mike Bahr!
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:17:30 -0500
From: omman@solar.sky.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: drum Silent Man?
Message-ID: <199506151517.KAA29103@sky.net>
Hey all. I was just thinking about the Kansas City DT
show back in November...The last song they did was Silent Man
but they didn't play it on the guitar. What they had was
Portnoy playing a congo drum (I think) and Labrie singing..
no petrucci..It sounded AMAZING...I was just wondering if
they did that at any other show...Oh and Mike, if you have
a copy of the Drummed Silent Man, It would be GREAT for the
DTUP cd!
James
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rohit Modak <rmm30@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Recent shows
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950615112016.12094A-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
I was just wondering how the mosh pit was at the NY/NJ shows. Was it
cool, or just a bunch of high school football players beating each
other? I'm interested in responses from people who enjoy a mosh pit at
times, (and therefore won't automatically say it sucked :).
Also when is the last date of the European tour? I figure about 2 weeks
after that, they'd be back in the US for some shows.
And a quick hello to Andrew Miller. I'm the "Indian guy with the Images
and Words t-shirt at Mickey D's" that you met before the NJ show on the
9th. (I however didn't make it into the show due to the damn bouncers
not letting in my friend without ID).
__________________________________________________________________________
Rohit Modak rmm30@columbia.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:58:50 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte)
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The "F" Word
Message-ID: <95061512585028@acl.nyit.edu>
Well...here's my .02 on this matter. While at the show the other night I didnt
hear the word used ( because the show was so loud and the distortion drowned
out LaBrie a lot of the time). But I dont think we should be complaining about
it yet. If it starts to happen more and more in their music then ok....fine.
Lets just see what happens. I think it is going to be a one time thing.
Later
________________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Heaven must be more than this, when angels waken with a kiss,
sacred hearts won't take the pain, but mine will never be the same."
--Kevin Moore
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:09:50 EDT
From: stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: IF ending
Message-ID: <9506151809.AA20624@pascal.m>
Yesterday, while I was loitering at my local kwikee-mart, stop-n-rob type
of place, thumbing through the guitar magazines, I came across Petrucci's
column in Guitar World (Hendrix on the cover). This month he goes some
of the good stuff from the outro of Innocence Faded. I transcribed this
a couple of months ago, and I had the notes right, but JP's fingering is
a little easier (which for this part is like having to bench-press 490 lbs
instead of 500).
Also, I'm a grad student in electrical engineering at Ohio State with
a minor in reading Ytsejams. Anybody know where I can find DT bootlegs
around here?
Mike Stoner
stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:17:21 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Space-dyed OJ
Message-ID: <v01520c04ac05e42fd718@[204.161.33.79]>
Now that its approximately the anniversary of the infamous OJ hiway chase,
I'm reminded that I forgot to comment on the audio sample in Space-Dye
Vest.: Although I'm not sure who the commentator is, I'm absolutely sure
that it is not Al Michaels, (unless the clip has been altered). Before he
did Monday Night Football with OJ he did SF Giants baseball. Being a
life-long SF Giants fan, the voice is definitely not his. It also does not
sound like any of the major National sports commentators; as someone
suggested, it might be an LA area news reader, they change fairly often, or
CNN. Maybe someone has figured out who it is by now.
Also, if anyone is interested, the lyrical basis of Rush's 'Freewill'
appears to come almost directly from Ayn Rand's Atlas_Shrugged, chapter
called 'This is John Galt Speaking', which is actually an extraordinarily
long diatribe on Rand's philosphy. (It's a long but interesting novel, but
this chapter is a bit too plodding and superfluous.) As discussed earlier
by myself and others, Rand's Anthem was an inspiration for '2112'. I'd
read elsewhere, a long time ago (in Canada's MacLeans magazine) about
Rand's influence on Peart's writing at that time.
--Randall L. Braun
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
And how come you don't understand me? And how come I don't understand you?
Thirty years say we're in this together So open your eyes.
People in prayer for me everyone there for me
Sometimes I feel I should face this alone My soul exposed.....
Give up on misery Turn your back on dissent
Leave their distrust behind Wash your hands of regret
--Dream Theater, Scarred, (see Gospel of John, esp. Ch 13-21)
When I was younger, I thought I knew where I stood; now that I'm growing
older, I find the ground keeps moving --Youthquakes & Hardaches
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