YTSEJAM Digest 862
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Question? lyric server
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
2) Re: EUROPEAN TOUR CANCELLED?
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
3) * RE: YTSEJAM digest 859
by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
4) Where's Tim Lodge?
by rbartsch@CyberGate.COM (Rob Bartsch)
5) Stuff
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
6) I got a I&W tour book today!!
by curth@execpc.com
7) ACOS
by Kevin Murray LaBrie <majesty@cyberspace.org>
8) Live/Import DT stuff
by Matt Mosley <mattm@sumac.digex.net>
9) Hollow, transition time
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
10) Flotsam, etc
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
11) Re: guitarists
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
12) Re: Don't Look Past Me....
by Jon Larkowski <lark@sawdust.cvfn.org>
13) Re: * RE: YTSEJAM digest 859
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
14) flotsam again
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
15) I&W vs. Awake
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) cool progressive/instrumental band (no DT content)
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
17) Canceled Account
by "Mr. Senior-itis" <gchew@liii.com>
18) Non DT quick question...
by "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
19) Metropolis, Eddie vs. Petrucci
by Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
20) Re: Canceled Account
by Erin Blair <eblair@nermal.santarosa.edu>
21) WISHFUL THINKING/SORRY
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
22) echolyn, Awake, etc
by Arlea Anschutz <anschutz@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:23:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Question? lyric server
Message-ID: <199506211823.LAA27325@malibu.sfu.ca>
>
> To All:
> 1. I know about the ftp.nevada site for guitar tab etc. and I was
> wondering if there is a site ftp., www, or even Email where
> you can get lyrics to songs? (published songs that maybe the
> artist decided to keep out of the CD).
i haven't checked it out, but here it is (i found it while using
the URouLette...that page which takes you to random pages)
the URL is: http://vivarin.pc.cc.cmu.edu/lyrics.html
> "Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm right"
> "Maybe i'm some kind of lunatic"
> Queensryche - "Gonna get close to you
> ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
hmm...actually isn't this a cover of a Dalbello (sp?) song? :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: EUROPEAN TOUR CANCELLED?
Message-ID: <199506211826.LAA27628@malibu.sfu.ca>
>
> Dream Theater have cancelled all their European dates!! I heard
> this from a Finnish ticket office, so I guess it is rather
> reliable.
maybe they'll tour canada instead! (i'm so selfish :) )
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 21:17 +0300
From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: * RE: YTSEJAM digest 859
Message-ID: <m0sOUd3-0002yYC@donews.cts.com>
>David wrote:
>In response to a question on YTSEJAM #1:
>
>I think the singer's name is James LaBrie, but I could be wrong. Anyone else
>out there wanna back me up on this?
Well Dave - I can't tell you much but I can tell you this:
NOTHING'S CLOSED YET.
The guys are deliberating - nothing's still permenant and the vocalist
(this labrie fellow) is not a sure thing - they're gonna have to go
through a lot in order to get along and stuff - but we'll keep each
other posted.
Ain't the 'jam a great thing? We know everything before anybody else.
BTW: I heard Dream Theater are preparing for a third album. I can't wait.
See ya all and keep up the nose for news attidute!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:42:15 -0700
From: rbartsch@CyberGate.COM (Rob Bartsch)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Where's Tim Lodge?
Message-ID: <v01510102ac0f07927b25@[198.68.61.2]>
Sorry to be buggin the jam guys, but I'm trying to find you Tim. For some
reason when I E-mail you, I keep getting it thrown back at me. Basically,
I'm interested in the Majesty CDs Instrumental I and II, etc....
If you are getting this Tim or anyone that may have some that they want to
sell, please E-mail me. Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:40:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam )
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <199506211840.OAA18065@grex.cyberspace.org>
Just thought I'd respond to more stuuf that's been on the 'Jam:
1. To the Flotsom & Jetsom Guy - They Rule!! Jason Newstead of Metallica
used to be in this band.
2. Echolyn and Awake will grow on you!!! I had a hard time at first with
both, but the more I listened to them, the more I loved them.
3. Ytsecom Midwest! I might be able to make that.
4. To the guy from Finland. Dream Theater better be getting some great
Vitu to cancell on you like that. Great Irony, usionf the song quotes like
that.
5. I'm pretty sure James Labrie IS the new singers name.
6. Irom Maiden covers: INFINITE DREAMS or THE PROPHECY!!!! (If you haven't
heard these songs, you MUST check them out on IM's "Seventh Son" album
7. Does anyone know when DT or Echolyn will be nearing Ann Arbor, MI?
Enough for now-=> -John
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:06:39 -0500
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I got a I&W tour book today!!
Message-ID: <199506211906.OAA14402@earth.execpc.com>
Hi all...
YIPPEE! Just got my I&W tourbook (it's official and from Japan) in the mail
today...needless to say that it is awesome...very cool pictures and whoever
printed it did a great job (remember, I have a printing background...)
Anyway, I just had to tell somebody! Now all I need is one from the Awake
tour...(anybody got a spare that they can part with???)
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
PS Question of the day...I remember seeing in the DTboot FAQ that DT covered
Rush's Freewill - when was this done (who did vocals) and does anyone have a
copy of it??
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Murray LaBrie <majesty@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (ytsejam)
Subject: ACOS
Message-ID: <199506211909.PAA19912@grex.cyberspace.org>
Is there a release date for the ACoS yet?
Kevin LaBrie
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:31:56 -0400
From: Matt Mosley <mattm@sumac.digex.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Live/Import DT stuff
Message-ID: <199506211931.PAA18726@sumac.digex.net>
Hey,
I realize this has probably been posted here before, but I'm new to the
list, so please bear with me. :) I'm wondering if anyone knows of a list
(or knows about specific ones) of quality and track information for the
various live/import DT boots out there, specifically the ones available
via CDnow (Dream Out Loud, Home Sweet Home, Live in Long Island, Lords of
Sound, Milan 1993). I'd appreciate any info... I'm looking to buy one of
these (if any of them are of high quality, soundboard preferred) because I
was amazed by their performances the two times I've seen them live, and on
LAtM.
Oh, in response to the recent thread about careers and stuff, I'm a
full-time sysadmin for a big ISP in Maryland (Digex). I'm a big fan of
Dream Theater, Queensryche, Rush, and other "progressive" style bands.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:15:47 -0700
From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Hollow, transition time
Message-ID: <v02120d04ac0e25c0102e@[128.95.235.1]>
Rick Atkinson <atkinsro@ix.netcom.com> stated:
> someone mentioned about DT becoming anti-christian when Kevin left.
> Take a listen to Hollow off his demo or even Lie from Awake. Both
> songs seem to take a bitter stance against religion. They seem to be
> coming from someone who feels quite betrayed by the whole thing.
Really? From the first listen on, I've interpreted Hollow as Kevin's
observation of someone who refuses religion and spirituality, and just
becomes a hollow shell of a human being. Lines like "I never search for
nothing I can't find", "In the first place get that shit out of my face,
it'll only make me happy anyway", and "I never watch a channel I can't
change" lead me to feel this person is afraid to commit to anything and
take a chance. Oh well, I'm not very good at arguing lyric interpretations,
it just caught me by surprise how differently we view this song.
Change o' subject: band transition time
The first (and so far, only) time I've seen DT (the Mirage, Mpls, MN, I&W
tour), I had to leave during the fourth song because my girlfriend had a
panic attack, probably brought on by having to stand in a tightly-packed,
smoky crowd for _45 minutes_ between the opening band leaving and DT coming
on. Some comments on the list and from friends who have seen DT have
mentioned that it's practically standard for a 45+ min break before DT. So,
my questions:
1) Is a 45+ min stage change standard for DT?
2) If so, is there a known reason?
I can't remember any other concert I've seen that has had that long of a
break, or at least one where I've seen techs working most of that time
setting up. If I remember correctly, the last tech I saw was ~20 min after
the opening band.
pg
~30 hrs to King Crimson!
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Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle
pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato
| "Do be do be do" - Sinatra
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:01:32 -0400
From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Flotsam, etc
Message-ID: <9506212101.AA11687@>
Someone with a really (forbidden word omitted) -ed up screen name said:
I've been listening to Flotsam since about 89 or so. All of my friends
that
listen to them think that 'Quatro' sucks, but in my opinion it's their best
album. If you really like them I would suggest that you pick up 'No Place
for
Disgrace'. That album was recorded when Jason Newsted (Metallica) was still
writing songs and, I think, playing bass for them. That album has some
exteremly cool songs on it. Then, if you like that, pick up their two other
albums (I'm not to sure what their titles are because I've been listening
to
nothing but DT since 92).
=========================
First of all I will be petty. It's "cuatro." You know, Spanish for "four?"
As someone with a BA in Spanish it is my duty to correct you!! Secondly,
on NPFD Jason Newsted DOES NOT play bass. Some of the songs on NPFD were
leftovers from the early days so jason got writing credit. Troy Gregory,
who in my
opinion is much better than JN, plays here. He went on to record When the
Storm Comes Down for F&J and then Prove You Wrong with Prong. These days
he (according to Kelly Smith, drummer for Flots) lives in Michigan doing
nothing.
On the concept album thread, I vote for Seventh Son of a Seventh Son over
any other, just because i like it better than QR, and I never much liked
old Rush
or Pink Floyd.
Gotta go eat!
-- Kevin Madden (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) Go Wings in 95!! Four more victories or two more losses, and the season is over 8-(------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: guitarists Message-ID: <199506212123.OAA15734@malibu.sfu.ca>
> > Here is a list of some of my favorite shredders (in order): > John Petrucci > Marty Friedman > Joe Satriani > Jason Becker > Randy Rhoads (R.I.P.) > Zakk Wylde > Paul Gilbert > Alex Skolnick > i'd add joe stump...anybody heard of him? he's got a couple of albums... i only have 'Night of the Living Shread' (is that a cool name or what :) )... and as the name implies, he SHREADS!! the first time i heard a song, i thought to myself 'sounds like malmsteen, but heavier and faster!'...
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:10:44 +0100 From: Jon Larkowski <lark@sawdust.cvfn.org> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Don't Look Past Me.... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506211644.A2383-0100000@sawdust.cvfn.org>
> Don't Look Past Me > > <dialog> > I don't know... > I feel a lot of distance
distance -> dissonance?
> and I feel far away > I'll see you later... > > I have seen you born before me > I have watched you die > I have heard every word you've said to me > Leave no question in your mind > There is no brighter star to guide you > Don't look past me to the sun, the sun is (life)
the sun is I
> I am the sun... > > So close the door behind him > He wanders slowly to the car > Trying to lift his heavy heart > > <some dialog I can't make out, followed by...>
The dialog you can't make out is the singer saying: "Hey says:"
> Feel bad bout this? Just, just let me feel bad about this!
I feel bad about this. I feel really bad about this. Just let me feel bad about this.
> > I'm through just getting by > Countless times a friend has told me > Watch out for the waves > Now it seems the sea will be my grave > And still you speak to save me
you _swim_ to save me (context, man context!)
> Even though the water is much colder now > Even though the water is much colder now > > Sometimes you can act on intuition > Sometimes you can use a different point of view > I've found that in such a position > I could always come to you > <sun>I've seen you weep > I have seen you tired and lonely <without you> > But it only takes one heart <heart> > To lift you up and send you on > Can you understand the life I've shown you > Understand it's me (I've given you)
me I'm giving you
> > I have seen you born before me > I have watched you die > I have heard every word you've said to me > I have no question in my mind > There is no brighter star to guide me > Don't look past me to the sun, don't look past me to the sun, the sun is... > > So love is broken > (They) are asking me how and the hell
They're asking me how can you help
> When you don't even know how that feels > I don't need a thousand reasons
one thousand
> When someone starts to cry > When someone says their heart needs lifting > Don't ask how far ask how high
Don't ask how come, ask how high.
> > I have seen you born before me > I have watched you die > I have heard every word you've said to me > Leave no question in your mind > There is no brighter star to guide you > Don't look past me to the sun, the sun is (life)
sun is I
> Leave no question in your mind > There is no brighter star to guide you > Don't look past me to the sun, ( ???? )
?
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 14:44:27 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: * RE: YTSEJAM digest 859 Message-ID: <9506212144.AA19563@tengs1.teng>
> > >David wrote: > >In response to a question on YTSEJAM #1: > > > >I think the singer's name is James LaBrie, but I could be wrong. Anyone else > >out there wanna back me up on this? > > Well Dave - I can't tell you much but I can tell you this: > NOTHING'S CLOSED YET. > The guys are deliberating - nothing's still permenant and the vocalist > (this labrie fellow) is not a sure thing - they're gonna have to go > through a lot in order to get along and stuff - but we'll keep each > other posted. > > Ain't the 'jam a great thing? We know everything before anybody else. > > > BTW: I heard Dream Theater are preparing for a third album. I can't wait. > > > See ya all and keep up the nose for news attidute!
Is this some kind of joke? Am I stuck in a real life episode of Quantum Leap maybye? What the hell?
Zach
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:09:26 -0400 From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: flotsam again Message-ID: <9506212209.AA23745@>
I just got done eating, and when I logged in, I saw that Carmen had written: =============== this is for the Flotsam & Jetsam discussion. The last poster said that Jason Newsted was on No Place For Disgrace. This is not true. Jason played on only one album, 'Doomsday for the Deciever.' The following albums, 'When the Stom Comes Down','No Place for Disgrace', and 'Cuatro' all had different base players. they finally stuck with the base player from Cuatro and made 'Drift.' this is the first time they have made two albums with the same base player. by the way, Kerrang! gave Cuatro 5 stars. That almost never happens. Well, I
just thought I'de pass all of that on. I don't have the CDs on me so I cannot check the base players names, sorry. Hope this helps. Later, Carmen ========================== Not true. Like I said Jason Newsted played on Doomsday for the Deceiver, Troy Gregory played on No Place for Disgrace AND When the Storm Comes Down.
Jason Ward has played on Cuatro (NOT QUATRO, DAMMIT!) and Drift. Oh, they played "bass." I don't know what "base" they played, maybe they have a group softball team. (Or what drugs they take...) I also saw someone beat me to citing SSOASS from Maiden in the concept debate. Sometimes even the speed of the internet isn't fast enough. Dream Theater? Oh yeah. This is the DT list. Hmm. Not much to say. How come nobody ever answered that guy's question about the Serial Mom credits? Or was that in one of the phantom Ytsejams that I never got? Enough! -- Kevin Madden (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) Go Wings in 95!! Down 2 games to none. I am not worried. Yet. Call me on Friday.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: I&W vs. Awake Message-ID: <199506212227.SAA23304@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I think I'm going to jump onto this bandwagon right now!
I have a _terrible_ time trying to distinguish which album of DT's I think is better. I'm afraid I must leave out WDaDU--just personal preference. :) When I got Images and Words, it changed my life. Seriously. I was no longer the same person. Dream Theater changed the way I look at music, life, myself, EVERYTHING. Although Geoff Tate was the catalyst that spawned the development of my "rock tenor," James LaBrie totally changed the way I sing. Kevin Moore's lyrics showed me that "pretty" lyrics were not always synonymous with a typical lyrically empty prog song. John Petrucci played way too f-ing FAST--and I loved it! John Myung can gallop like Steve Harris, but with the variation and taste of Geddy Lee. And, Mike Portnoy could beat the crap out of a drum set. When I listened to I&W I saw pictures and heard voices in my head. The voices said, "kill...kill...kill..." Just kidding! With I&W, I finally found a band that had everything.
Having said that, let me tell you about Awake. I never thought an album cover could be more perfect than that of I&W. Then there was Awake. It was more realistic, yet more etherial. It was darker, yet more vivid. This was an album by the people that I had given a year of my life to. It told the story of someone who has it all, but has nothing but confusion and despair in his head. Where the I&W lyrics cut, the Awake lyrics _stabbed_. I&W slaps you in the face, but Awake sinks its big, sharp teeth in and doesn't let go. I, to this day, can't listen to Voices while doing anything else because I get totally lost in the music, the words, and the emotions. And on top of that-- IT'S HUGE!!! The production is near perfection.
I'll continue later...
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: cool progressive/instrumental band (no DT content) Message-ID: <199506220057.RAA06218@malibu.sfu.ca>
hi, sorry for the no dt content....but i wanted to inform some of you, who are open to hear new music, that a cool Vancouver band is going to perform live on the internet on June 23 and 24th at 8:30 pm (PST). for this, you need to have access to CU-Seeme, which is a video conferencing program (you can download the shareware version from their web site..just search for CU-Seeme using webcrawler).
also they have just set up a web page at : http://griffin.multimedia.edu:80/~mindgame/
it has info about the band, and their 2 albums...also from there you can DOWNLOAD the _entire_ new CD...it is mono, and takes up about 40 megs :) you can download it one song at a time though :)
oh...their music is all instrumental...guitar, drums, keyboard, bass/bass pedals if you like ozric tentacles, you should probably like them.... check them out.
tim a.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:57:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mr. Senior-itis" <gchew@liii.com> To: Mike_Hong@qmail4.nba.trw.com Cc: ahongster@aol.com, vincentah@aol.com, cydesign@aol.com, texasvic@aol.com, Subject: Canceled Account Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950621214444.10823A-100000@oak.liii.com>
Dear penpals,
Hey everyone! This is Jeff Chew (huntnkill@aol.com & jmyung007@aol.com) using my brother's account right now. Recently, my account on AOL has been canceled due tp problems between me, TOS, and someone on AOL who I'd prefer not to mention but deserves to be taken out into the street and shot at dawn. Anyways, he created a false complaint about me, and terminated my account on AOL. He did this because he mail-bombed me, so I reported him to TOS and he was booted off the system as well. Obviously, I will be making a case about this to TOS so I can clear my name, but in the meantime I will not have an e-mail account until further notice. I will most likely switch to another service, since AOL is such a horrible service. But for now, you can contact me through my borhter's account -- gchew@liii.com. I will definitely have an account in a couple of months, since I will be going to college in the fall. But who knows? I might sign up under the service that my brother is using soon! Well, I'll get back to you if there are any developments, and I will talk to all of you soon! Thank you so much!
Yours, Jeff =)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:47:48 -0600 (CST) From: "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Non DT quick question... Message-ID: <01HRZE82RX08004WRZ@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
I recently bought King's X's Dogman and noticed the dog was green. I think I've seen versions of this CD with a blue dog and even a yellow dog! I was wondering if there is a difference or are they just getting creative on us?
That's all. Tanx.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Metropolis, Eddie vs. Petrucci Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950621195417.6663A-100000@elaine45.Stanford.EDU>
Hey Jammers, Well, i seem to have opened up quite a can of worms with this I&W vs. Awake thing. Well, I've got another one. I guess i thought that more people liked I&W better than Awake, and that seemed to be true. But, at least a lot of people spoke up that they did like Awake a lot too. Well, maybe i can get a little discussion going on this opinion:
I DON'T REALLY LIKE METROPOLIS.
I think DT has made many, many songs better than this one. Now, let me clarify before I get a knife in the head: * I admit that Metropolis is technically an amazing song. They do stuff with that one that noone else can do. * I admit that Metropolis is very different and original compared to most rock music. It is good because of this.
BUT, someone in an earlier post described Metropolis as "masturbatory". I cannot agree more. Metropolis is too long. It does not (to me) flow well. It sounds very contrived, almost like they started writing it and said," All right, we want a song with one of THESE, and one of THESE and one of THESE, even if they don't really fit together well. " Well, I don't think it does fit together well. Metropolis certainly doesn't have the continuity of a great DT song like Surrounded (which is, by the way, a beautiful song. Where did DT get such a wonderfully bright song to put on such a wonderfully dark album? ANSWER: From Rush. That song definitely shows their Rush influence). Even Learning to Live and Take the Time, two very kaleidoscopic songs, seem to flow better than Metropolis, to me anyway. The first DT song that my friend who introduced me to the band played for me was Metropolis, and my initial reaction was, " Well, they sure packed everything into that song." (Including those little timbale fills, which I still think are AWFUL-very out of place. Like yelling, "Hey look, I own a pair of timbales!"). I still pretty much feel that way.
All right, now that I've endangered my life with that little tidbit, let me just add this: Petrucci vs. Eddie is a hell of a match-up, but I think it's a major bad call to say that Petrucci is a "better" player. It's especially bad to imply that Petrucci has accomplished more with his music. Let's not forget something here: This is EDDIE VAN HALEN. He changed guitar forever. He was a revolutionary running on pure talent, and he caused ripples. Petrucci is AMAZING, but he is still another Berklee School of Music chops-meister. What really sets DT apart from the rest of the technically-awesome Berklee products is that they can write great songs. But I don't see Petrucci having as much impact on the guitar world as Eddie did.
I guess a good comparison is David Robinson vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in hoops. Robinson's awesome, a complete player, and he may be stronr, faster, and a better player than Kareem was (maybe). But as great as Robinson is, and even if Kareem couldn't beat him one-on-one, and even if Kareem wishes he could be more like Robinson, the fact is, KAREEM CHANGED THE GAME FOREVER. The NCAA outlawed the dunk because of Kareem. The center position was never the same again after Kareem. Robinson never had that kind of impact, and he never will, and even if he can do everything Kareem could and mor, he just doesn't do it the same way.
All right, that's too long. sorry.
Nathan Meezan
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Blair <eblair@nermal.santarosa.edu> To: lea-salonga@world.std.com Cc: "Mr. Senior-itis" <gchew@liii.com>, ahongster@aol.com, airdance@aol.com, Subject: Re: Canceled Account Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506212002.C27347-0100000@nermal>
Jeff,
That's too bad about your AOL account. Mine is still temporarily down as well. Of course, I hope that you get an account as soon as you can. I can understand how must feel since the Internet is a major part of one's life and it's kind of hard to get away from it. =)
Yours,
Erin
_________________________________________________________________________ Erin Blair e-mail: eblair@nermal.santarosa.edu "I still believe that people are really good at heart..." Anne Frank Visit the LEA newsletter at: http://www.santarosa.edu/~eblair/eblair.html Always looking for more subscribers and writers. Contact me for more info...
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 22:30:53 EST From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: WISHFUL THINKING/SORRY Message-ID: <9506212230.D6307BC@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all-
When I mentioned that Dream Theater would be here in KC in November...BOY WAS I WRONG! That was last year..and I was at the show. (must of been too much beer..smoke(cough..cough). :) ..and I want to do a DT convention??? oh hell... :)
ANYWAY...speaking of a Maiden song...how bout "Ryhme(sp?) of the Ancient Mariner" THAT would be GREAT!
See ya...sorry again...(BLUSH)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:00:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Arlea Anschutz <anschutz@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: echolyn, Awake, etc Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950621210747.14057A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Greetings Jammers,
A few digests ago someone asked how many of the people on the list were "new" Dream Theater fans. I am. I discovered DT about a month ago over the internet. Someone posted a message to the Marillion mailing list asking people to list their five favorite bands. DT appeared on more than one of those lists, and I just happened to hear "Pull Me Under" on the radio in the same week and was impressed by it. I asked the Marillion fans which DT album I should buy and I got about 6 or 7 e-mail messages all of which recommeded IAW. (This is relevant to the current IAW debate.) I purchased both albums the same day (one store had Awake used), listened to them both, then listened to IAW again. I now think Awake is a great album, but it didn't immediately impress me. IAW got me emotionally involved from the first hearing. I wonder whether this was the experience for anyone else.
I've noticed that echolyn has been much discussed on this list, so I'll have to throw in my advice. In YTSEJAM 860 Tim A. says of echolyn "believe me they _will_ grow on you". I've had the album 'As the World' for about a month now and I've really tried to give it a chance. It hasn't grown on me and I don't like it anymore than the first time I heard it (anyone interested in a used copy?). There are some great moments in As the World, but the album lacks coherency. I get the feeling that, in many songs, the lyrics don't fit the music, and the melodic changes are too sudden and chaotic. I think this album/band would appeal to a certain class of prog rock fans (let me tell you who you are). People who are into the jazzy/experiental side of prog, such as King Crimson and ELP will probably like echolyn. Although I like some songs by KC and ELP, neither has produced a single album that I enjoy listening to in its entirety, and both have written songs that just "get on my nerves". There are several songs on the echolyn album that do just that.
I must comment that I've found this the "friendliest" band-discussion list on the net. For one thing, everyone seems to know each other and is interested in other subscribers as people. For another, no one complains about unimportant things like the length of messages, people's sigs, or discussion of topics not directly related to DT. Reading those complaints is always a lot more annoying than what ever the writer is complaining about.
****************************************************************************** Arlea Anschutz They say there are strangers, who threaten us anschutz@ucsu.colorado.edu In our immigrants and infidels They say there is strangeness, too dangerous http://ucsu.colorado.edu/ In our theatres and bookstore shelves ~anschutz/Home.html Those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves --Neil Peart 1981 ******************************************************************************
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