YTSEJAM Digest 863
Today's Topics:
1) I&W vs. Awake
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) Need help from Japan
by Christopher J Pokladnik <cpokladn@badlands.NoDak.edu>
3) Re: everyone but DT
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
4) The Crow (non-DT)
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte)
5) Radio stations and other European things
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@zewis1.desy.de>
6) A Proposal: Switch Cygnus and Unplugged?
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
7) sampling??
by DTFAN@aol.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 861
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
9) URGENT!!
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 861
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
11) DT show in Lichtenfels - simply awesome
by sz0829@rzmail.uni-erlangen.de
12) YTSEJAM digest 858
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
13)
by bbechtol@cisco.com (Bill Bechtold)
14) Two bands to try.
by bbechtol@cisco.com (Bill Bechtold)
15) thanks
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
16) website
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 861
by 869962CE@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU
18) Re: Catching up
by stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
19) Re: JP vs. EVH
by stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
20) An obdervation and a wish....
by kylania@mail.top.net
21) What is Unplugged?
by Jon Larkowski <lark@sawdust.cvfn.org>
22) I&W vs. Awake, Metropolis, Maiden
by "Michael Wolberg" <WOLBERG@chemie.uni-oldenburg.de>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 859
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I&W vs. Awake
Message-ID: <199506220423.AAA27235@umbc9.umbc.edu>
OK, where was I...
Now that I've said everything I like about both albums, now I have the
unfortunate task of posting everything I don't like. As far as I&W, I hate
<of course> the _sound_ of the triggered snare. I think the keys are a
little too much in most parts and make the whole recording sound "soft."
The bass, of course, is a little masked by the mix, probably only because
Prater decided it was overplayed, so he changed it after J Myung went home.
The guitar sounds have no variation--there's "clean," "crunch," and "solo."
This is really too bad. The lyrics are a little too pretty. Like so many
publications have said about Bon Jovi: "In this day and age, no one has
time for 'riding steel horses.'" I think the lyrics are classic prog--right
down to the overwrought pretentions of the imagery. What the hell is "glass
moonlight?"
Awake has its share of problems, too. I think James's vocals are _way_ over-
done. James's is going to murder his voice if he doesn't stop doing that
rock singer crap. I&W he sings totally clean and it's beautiful. I wish there
was some way we could _make_ him sing in the I&W style all the time. I hate
the sound of James inhaling before every line on Awake, too. Having said that,
I hate the sound of his noise gate releasing before every line on I&W. Maybe
they could have used a better expander or something. If the keys were
overdone on I&W, then they were underdone on Awake. Not enough shredding on
Kev's part, perhaps because of the split and since you all know how I feel
about that I won't get into it. No complaints at all about the guitar or bass.
The drums sound great _except_ for the snare. Personally, I would have buried
the snare under a million gates and compressors and reverbs until it sounded a
little more like that triggered snare from I&W. Other than that, the drum
sound blows me away. Listening to Awake, you'll never forget that drums are
made of WOOD.
The Awake lyrics give testimony to the fact that it is indeed possible to
write beautiful, coherent, soul-baring songs in plain speech--without having
to use a lot of odd "pretty" words. The songwriting on Awake is flawless.
Flawless, that is, except for that atrocity of an album closer. It is simply
tacked on there at the end, _after_ the logical album closer. I just wish it
was somewhere else, because other than the complete choppiness of Erotomania
it's the only thing I don't like about the album, and having it as the last
track always leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Well that's about it. I didn't start writing with any idea of what my choice
for favorite album was, but I think I'll have to go with Awake, if only for its
sheer BULK! It is huge. I still love I&W, but Awake <along with QR's Promised
Land> is the soundtrack of my life.
And please don't think I am trying to force my opinion on anyone. If you are
so compelled, let the flames begin...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite.
| __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right."
|__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU
|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have
Steve Zebrowski szebro1@gl.umbc.edu thought this was the worst..."
Joe Jackson, Hometown
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:33:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher J Pokladnik <cpokladn@badlands.NoDak.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Need help from Japan
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506212308.D75658-0100000@badlands.NoDak.edu>
I need to get in touch with someone from Japan. There is a
magazine called "Young Guitar" that is distributed in Japan and I need a
specific issue before it goes out of print. So if someone could PLEASE
send me the mailing address of the publisher, so I can arrange to order
the back issue.
Thanks Chris Pokladnik
email address: cpokladn@badlands.NoDak.edu
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:44:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: everyone but DT
Message-ID: <9506220544.AA41026@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hello all,
I just wanted to add my 0.02 to the Flotsam & Jetsam thing. Yes
it is true that Jason Newsted only played on Doomsday For the Deciever,
but he wrote about half the songs on their next album, No Place For
Disgrace. IMHO NPFD is F&J's best LP, and if you don't agree, TS. <g> I
think When the Storm Comes Down is a very low point for the band, but
with Cuatro, they seem to have recovered from losing their best songwriter.
As far as the Megadeth\Friedman thing, I have to disagree. I do
think that The older albums (Rust In Peace, etc...) are better than the
new stuff (from Countdown on), but that's not Marty's fault. That's
Dave's fault because he's trying to break through (ala Metallica) or
something. I think he's still a great songwriter (the new album has some
catchy tunes for certain), but he's just not as aggressive. He's trying
too damn hard to be accepted by everyone (in the age of hip hop\do wop
oh well, whatever, nevermind)
I just appreciate the fact that they're still around unlike some of my
other favorite bands (ie: Varga or the Jon Butcher Axis), and still making good
music. It's just not thrash anymore. (Of course I do long for the days
of eight minute mostly instrumental Megadeth songs, but I'll take what I
can get since Metallica can't be bothered with such trivial things as new
albums).
May we all pray to heaven that DT has the kind of longevity that they deserve!
Outta here, and I promise to have nothing but DT content the next time I
post.
Bracken
P.S. I'm flattered that my ramblings about the Doors connection are
going into the FAQ. Wow, you really like me, you really like me!
(Obscure Sally Field reference)
"... Without Music, life would be an error."
Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:49:50 -0400
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte)
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The Crow (non-DT)
Message-ID: <95062201495008@acl.nyit.edu>
>I noticed that "Jeff Forte" had included a quote from "The Crow" in
>his signature. I was curious, has anyone else read "The Crow" by
>J. O'barr. It makes excellent reading, and trancends any stereotype
>normally placed on comic books. It is truly fine literature, unlike
>the ungodly, ruinous cinematic version. It seems that "The Crow"
>would be excellent for the Ytsejam sort of people -- people with
>a sense of artistic taste. Raise your right hand if you've read
>"The Crow".
IMHO the Crow is one of the greatest pieces of comic book literature ever
created. A great piece of work from a mind that was obviously tortured by
loss. Although I didnt think the movie was as bad as you say...matter of fact
i thought that the movie turned out pretty good concidering Brandon Lee was
killed in the middle of making it. I think a lot of people on the list would
like it. The love and the loss that is displayed in this work will send chills
up your spine.
It is sold in a graphic novel now which ismuch easier to find and is
cheaper than the original books. I highly recommend this.
Later
________________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Heaven must be more than this, when angels waken with a kiss,
sacred hearts won't take the pain, but mine will never be the same."
--Kevin Moore
"A twisted soul--the mortar
Despair--the bricks
To build a temple to sadness"
J. O'Barr "The Crow"
________________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:30:39 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@zewis1.desy.de>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Radio stations and other European things
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950622102352.5620A-100000@zewis1>
I think you have a good idea there Scott about taking over the radio
station. Maybe I can get Ties to come in from Berlin and some other
Jammers from other parts of Germany and we can stage some sort of coup.
I will need someone that can speak German though so they don't think that
it is just some American gone crazy storming the station *laugh*.
About the whole European tour being canceled. Well I know DT played at
the Rock over Germany show near Hamburg but I haven't heard anything
about headlining shows yet. I guess we will have to wait until the
people that are going to the Saarbruken (forgive my spelling) tell us
something.
And finally about alt.music.dream-theater. I don't think this group is
widely gotten by many Universities etc.. I know we don't get it at
Wisconsin and we don't get it here at DESY either. I think the best way
to get DT news is through this list and maybe sometimes
alt.r-n-r.m.prog. Hopefully people will post to both of these as well as
a.m.d-t when they have something important to say.
Three days until Rage, Iced Earth and Discredit *yeah*.
Jason
+-------Jason T. Breitweg--------------Internet: breitweg@amzeus.desy.de------+
| The world is full of kings and queens |
| that blind your eyes and steal your dreams... |
+---------------------------It's Heaven and Hell!-----------------------------+
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:15:38 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: garion@indirect.com
Subject: A Proposal: Switch Cygnus and Unplugged?
Message-ID: <199506220815.BAA21840@bud.indirect.com>
IMPORTANT FOR ANY CYGNUS OR UNPLUGGED BUYERS
Hi all!
I'm typing this in response to an idea about four or five people have
asked me to implement, and I want to know if the Jam would like me to do it,
or screw it. :) The idea is this:
"Produce Unplugged now and Cygnus later".
Now, before all of you who have mailed me Cygnus money have a heart
attack, allow me to explain. I've digitally mastered both shows on the old
computer here and sent the result to DAT, so I could still go either way. My
blanks are being shipped/handled/whatever-it-is-they-do-that-takes-so-long to
me as we speak, and I could still make the press master for either one,
without forsaking the other.
The way I would figure on doing it would be, to allow all of you who
have paid for Cygnus, to use that payment for Unplugged. (gotta think of a
good name for the Unplugged CD... I'm sure the thesaurus will help) The UNP
CD was going to cost $23 anyway. I certianly don't want any Cygnus buyers to
feel cheated, so I would offer you the option of:
1. Having me convert your payment for Cyg into a payment for UNP;
2. Having me keep it until Cyg is available (which I am willing to do)
3. Having me refund it (which I will do if necessary).
Now, this is not a firm thing yet, just an idea; a proposal. The
overwhelmingly positive response on the Unplugged CD is what brought it about,
as the idea was mentioned to me quite a few times. Usually this advice took
the form of an email that said "HEY, MAKE UNPLUGGED FIRST, STUPID!" (grin) and
in one case, one Steve McMaster actually gave me the change idea.
If I get a ton of mail saying "hell yes Mike!" I'll go with it. If I
get a lot of "Don't do it; just do Cygnus" I won't switch 'em. Since those who
have paid have priority, I won't do it if it would mean alienating them or
having them feel cheated in ANY WAY.
Please, let me know. I'll post to the Jam what you all thought. Thanks
much for your time. :)
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:30:09 -0400
From: DTFAN@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: sampling??
Message-ID: <950621213007_75711982@aol.com>
Hello all,
I have a question for ya'll, actually my friend wanted me to ask:
Regarding samples (as in like, audio samples from movies or TV shows), do
you need to get permision to put them in a song???
He's thinking of putting some in a song of his, and was wondering what if
anything he has to do.
Thanks,
-Brian
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:23:00 +0200
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 861
Message-ID: <9506220923.AA11096@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi Jammers!
>
> Dream Theater have cancelled all their European dates!! I heard
> this from a Finnish ticket office, so I guess it is rather
> reliable.
>
Well, a few minutes ago spoke to the KuFa in Saarbruecken and they knew
nothing about a cancellation of European dates. So far for your Finnish
ticket office... Don't panic European jammers. It's not definite yet!
Bye.
Bernd.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:12:50 +0200
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: URGENT!!
Message-ID: <9506221012.AA12383@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi Jammers!
Well, me again and my "misusing-the-jam-for-other-things". :)
I need suggestions for a title of a song that will be on the CD of my band!
The song is about how TV influences people in a bad way and so I'm searching
for a title where are for example 2 words in it that begin with
'T' and 'V'. It could also be more than 2 words but the 'T' and 'V'
words should be in there. But the title should show this bad side of
the TV, not the good!
Pleeeeeeeze don't flame me for this. I'm just a poor german boy
in the need of help from my american jamming friends... :)
And PLEEEEEEZE email me directly. Don't answer to the jam!
Address: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de
Thanks in advance.
Bye.
Bernd.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:43:59 -0500 (EST)
From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 861
Message-ID: <01HS010MMRP60000XV@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Greetings everyone, it's Babs. Here's a little bit of gossip. Sorry,
it's not DT related. I received a copy of Freetime Magazine (a local
magazine about music in the Rochester/Buffalo area). Megadeath is coming
to Buffalo w/ FLOTSOM AND JETSOM. I thought that whoever started the
F&J thread would be interested in knowing that.
BTW, this is for Warren in Oregon. I need your snail mail address. I
have located some stuff to send to Chris.
-BABS
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:21:47 +0200 (MET DST)
From: sz0829@rzmail.uni-erlangen.de
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (YTSAEJAM Digest)
Subject: DT show in Lichtenfels - simply awesome
Message-ID: <2fe96e6f5e43002@max3.rrze.uni-erlangen.de>
Greetings Jammers! This post includes concert info from Lichtenfels in
Germany (6/21), and by my side is fellow Jammer Mark Stahl (who was very
fortunate to be vacationing in Germany at the time!).
Before we go into the concert, we'd like to add a couple tour dates to the
ones that Ties has already posted... these are from the back of the current
tour t-shirt, so they should be pretty solid:
2.7 - Muenchen (Germany)
9.7 - St. Gallen (Italy?)
And now onto the concert - this includes the set list, so we'll add the
obligatory
SPOILERS! SPOILERS!
message.
The set list: relatively similar (if not the same) to what some people
mentioned from the New York shows. We'll throw a few random comments in as
well...
1. Under a Glass Moon - balls opener... we were trying to guess beforehand
what they were going to open with, but didn't guess
this one.
2. Mirror/Lie - some problems with John P.'s volume level were solved relative-
ly quickly, so we could once again hear his ripping solos.
3. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
4. A Change of Seasons - intro was definitely different, as well as some of the
transitions between sections. Some lyrics were
changed from the original, and, for all of you who
have been stressing about the usage of FUCK, James
did not sing it in the version we heard/saw. Our
opinion of this song is that it's going to really
appeal to a lot of people, but others are not going
to like it due to the changes from the original.
But what's new? look at the differences in opinion
of I&W and Awake?
5. Surrounded - really awesome audience sing-a-long (encouraged by James)
6. A Mind Beside Itself - good Derrick intro (although it would be cool if it
was longer); naturally a good audience sing-a-long
with Silent Man
7. Pull me Under
---
Encore
8. Wait for Sleep (acoustic) - absolutely no keyboards, but the John/John
acoustic interplay was great.
9. Learning to Live - First time we saw this in concert - naturally a perfect
last song for the concert. John P.'s solos were at
their jammin' best.
general comments:
- This time I really watched John Myung play, and although his sound often
got washed out by Mike's bass drums, just watching his fingers move was
often mesmerizing.
- James sang _excellently_ (no cracks) - some excellent screams, and he often
encouraged audience participation.
- Mark had a (perhaps) once in a lifetime concert experience right at the end
of Learning to Live - he was the recipient of a certain something from Mike
Portnoy... but we'll leave you in suspense for now (he'd like to give his
own rendition from his account in California when he flies back tomorrow).
- After the concert we had a chance to meet all the members, although due to
time constraints they couldn't hang around that long.
- My Subconscious CD is now signed by Mike Portnoy! yahoooo!
- hey Hairball - I said hi to Mike P. for you - he says hi back!
- Mike Bahr - Mike P. mentioned he has 5 copies of SubCon. Fuck yeah!
that about raps it up... to all the German Jammers - get ready to sing along
with the new (and improved) version of ACoS...
btw - as far as we know, the Euro Tour _is not cancelled_ !
yours in DT fandom,
Paul and Mark
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Paul T. Fini /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/ e-mail: SZ0829@rzmail.uni-erlangen.de \/\/
/\/\ fax: +49 (09131) 60040 /\/\
\/\/ phone: +49 (09133) 2352 \/\/
/\/\ /\/\
\/\/ "To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade \/\/
/\/\ only of the brave..." -Primus /\/\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
------------------------------
Date: 22 Jun 1995 10:33:10 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 858
Message-ID: <199506221535.AA05250@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 06/19/95 23:07
Letting you kids into my private life.....I am a media relations professional
for a major oil company (we do a lot more than just pollute the good earth :)
). Being the only person under the age of 30, without wife or kids and living
in Chicago's Lincoln Park, I try to get some of my co-workers into a musical
scene that don't see much of (not a flame to jammers with spouse and kids in
any 'burb). I've been getting them to hear snipets of DT material. Soon, I
will conquer their minds and get them away form Kenny G. LATER-
Steve
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind."
- Skid Row
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:35:14 -0700
From: bbechtol@cisco.com (Bill Bechtold)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <ac0f3ce80302100390e5@[198.93.167.237]>
>Here is a list of some of my favorite shredders (in order):
> John Petrucci
> Marty Friedman
> Joe Satriani
> Jason Becker
> Randy Rhoads (R.I.P.)
> Zakk Wylde
> Paul Gilbert
> Alex Skolnick
> Alex Skolnick - diving into the jazzier(yet still metal-ish) realms of
> the guitar after his TESTAMENT days, with a metal-ish twist,
> he's got a unique sound
I talked to Alex on June 5,1993 and he said he was forming a new band. he
said it was going to be called something like 42nd Street. Did this ever
happen? I talked to him at a Testament show, and yes, he says he still
hangs out with the 'ol band. This show was the night before my first, and
only, Dream Theater show. During the show Chuck Billy (Vox) announced that
Dream Theater was all at the Theater that night. I bumped into most of
them, and added them to my autograph collection. (I also have all of
Testament, including Skolnick.)
Skolnick is a bad man (meaning good), and I'd like to know what he's doing now.
-Bill Bechtold
bbechtol@cisco.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:50:59 -0700
From: bbechtol@cisco.com (Bill Bechtold)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Two bands to try.
Message-ID: <ac0f40d4040210037d23@[198.93.167.237]>
My two favorite newish (atleast for me) bands:
Type-O-Negative- They have three albums. Try the third, "Bloody Kisses"
it is one of my favorite albums period! If you saw Queensryche, you
probably saw them. Slow, heavy, pissed. I like 'em.
Life of Agony- Great album. It is a conceptual album too, for you
conceptual album fans! Kind of like STP on steroids. Maybe like old COC.
Try these two, and if you don't like 'em you can blame me.
-Bill Bechtold
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:30:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: thanks
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950622102333.20472A-100000@casual1>
'jammers,
I posted the original message about Flotsam and Jetsam and would like to
say thanks to those who responded. I intend to get NPFD and DFTD ASAP.
To Arlea: Since you've only been on a short time you obviously missed a
lot of petty arguments about non-DT related stuff, sigs, lengths of
posts, etc. For me, I just hit the "+" to page down past
discussion/arguments about bad words, eddie vs. JP, misspelled words, etc.
It's not worth clogging up the digest with another complaint!
As far as Metropolis goes, I love it. As far as coherency goes, what I
like about DT is that they don't follow traditional trends. There are
changes from distorted heavy parts, to clean parts, rhythm and tempo
changes, etc and that's great. Also, it's challenging as a guitarist to
practise these parts and get them down, which is very satisfying. I
agree that there might me a mish-mash of different ideas but I don't
think there's anything wrong with that. Variety is the spice of life!
Will K.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:09:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: website
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950622110620.20724A-100000@casual1>
'jammers,
Someone posted a web site with CD samples for a new band. I downloaded
one file (.au) but the level was so high that all I heard was noise. I
turned the volume down as low as possible, but it was then lower volume
noise! Does anyone know anything about that?
Also, is there a place where new bands can send their tapes to be sampled
and available for the computer literate public? This address could
advertise around the newsgroups and get people to download the files.
Will
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:17:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: 869962CE@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 861
Message-ID: <01HS08K7BPG2000BDJ@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU>
For the Flotsam "GOD".
I said that I "THOUGHT" Newsted played bass. I wasn't sure. Thanx for the info
though.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 13:43:14 EDT
From: stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Catching up
Message-ID: <9506221743.AA23408@pascal.m>
>
> Best DT moment. For me, has to be Surrounded. I just met a great girl about
> a month ago and Surrounded completely makes me think of her. To me, it's a
> very positive song. I'm notoriously bad at lyric interpretation so I won't
> offer my thoughts (yet anyway) on what it means but I'd be interested in
> hearing what others think of Surrounded. Maybe some more literary types :).
>
Well, that's very nice! If she dumps you tomorrow then Space-Dye Vest
will completely make you think of her, with The Mirror/Lie a close second.
I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't kid around about stuff like that, but it
shows the contrast between I&W and Awake, LaBrie's singing, etc.
Mike Stoner
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 14:31:22 EDT
From: stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: JP vs. EVH
Message-ID: <9506221831.AA23439@pascal.m>
>
> All right, now that I've endangered my life with that little tidbit,
> let me just add this: Petrucci vs. Eddie is a hell of a match-up, but I
> think it's a major bad call to say that Petrucci is a "better" player.
> It's especially bad to imply that Petrucci has accomplished more with his
> music. Let's not forget something here: This is EDDIE VAN HALEN. He
> changed guitar forever. He was a revolutionary running on pure talent,
> and he caused ripples. Petrucci is AMAZING, but he is still another
> Berklee School of Music chops-meister. What really sets DT apart from
> the rest of the technically-awesome Berklee products is that they can
> write great songs. But I don't see Petrucci having as much impact on the
> guitar world as Eddie did.
>
> I guess a good comparison is David Robinson vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
> in hoops. Robinson's awesome, a complete player, and he may be stronr,
> faster, and a better player than Kareem was (maybe). But as great as
> Robinson is, and even if Kareem couldn't beat him one-on-one, and even if
> Kareem wishes he could be more like Robinson, the fact is, KAREEM CHANGED
> THE GAME FOREVER. The NCAA outlawed the dunk because of Kareem. The
> center position was never the same again after Kareem. Robinson never had
> that kind of impact, and he never will, and even if he can do everything
> Kareem could and mor, he just doesn't do it the same way.
Yeah, great comparision, but the sky-hook didn't catch on like
two-handed tapping!
IMO, it's pointless to compare the two guitarists, but if all we had
ever heard of Eddie was the last two albums, we wouldn't even have this
thread going. Eddie's sounds like he's been in a slump for about
10 years. Some of those solos, if that was me, I'd have stopped half-way
through, rewound the tape and done another take. Not that he sucks,
we know the talent is in there somewhere.
Now, for some of my favorite Petrucci moments...
I love the closing solo on Take the Time. You've got to crank it up
as it fades out to here every last lick. Better yet, listen to a live
version where he continues ripping well past the fade out part.
Also, I have to squint my eyes and grit my teeth whenver I here the
soaring high E near the end of the Lie solo. It's like a blinding
flash of light.
Mike Stoner
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:45:40 -0500
From: kylania@mail.top.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: An obdervation and a wish....
Message-ID: <199506221945.OAA02628@dns.top.net>
Sorry bout the semi-DT content...
The Orservation:
Echolyn is very different, almost late 70's sounding, Styx, Queen, Jethro
Tull, those type bands...not at all "90's" sounding. this is very
refreshing that new music can have real content, not like the "little" bands
like Bush or Offspring. They have "feeling" but that's about it, Echolyn
has everything...although perhaps too much... :)
The Wish:
I just bought the newest Fates Warning, Inside Out and I think that if DT
would ever cover a Fates song, "Monument" should be the one! That song ROCKS!!
Lates...
dave
"All we can really share is the coldness we feel and the silent memory of
the moment we met" Eye to Eye/Fates Warning
"I think it's time now for you to know, holding on is easier than letting
go." Life In Still Water/Fates Warning
"I know that it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye..."
Surrounded/Dream Theater
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:11:47 +0100
From: Jon Larkowski <lark@sawdust.cvfn.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: What is Unplugged?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506221522.A6459-0100000@sawdust.cvfn.org>
Please forgive my ignorance. Perhaps you discussed this while I was
temporarily off the list while on vacation.
What is DT Unplugged all about? I assume it's another bootleg creation
by Mr. Mike. But what's on it? Please let me know!
--
Lark * Jon Larkowski * Covert CVFN Guy * lark@cvfn.org
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:48:27 GMT+100
From: "Michael Wolberg" <WOLBERG@chemie.uni-oldenburg.de>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I&W vs. Awake, Metropolis, Maiden
Message-ID: <698A7DB7AE7@chemie.uni-oldenburg.de>
Hi all,
let me jump in on this before it dies down:
1. I&W etc.
After hearing it twice, WDADU just drove me mad, and DT became my fave
band. Until this time I often wondered what's so special about Iron Maiden
that made me like them more than ... ehhh ... for example AC / DC or
Whitesnake or or or ... must have been some proggy (?) touch on the
Powerslave LP or rather on the Somewhere In Time album. Anyway, after WDADU
I suddenly knew what it was.
I&W knocked me off from the *very first* listening, especially PMU.
AWAKE really disappointed me ... the first time I listened to it, the
second time I listened to it ... the third time ...
I had to listen very often (couldn't believe it !) before it grew on me,
but though there is really great stuff on it I still like I&W and WDADU
more. These two seem more homogenous to me. On AWAKE I somehow like
more the special moments (of which there are a lot of, nevertheless).
BTW the intro of TKH on LATM is my absolute fave DT moment (at least at
the moment).
2. Metropolis
Was the only song on I&W I disliked. I was always happy when this mad
part in it was over ... far too proggy for me at this time. Nowadays I
think it is my fave song (very narrow before ... ok, no new poll here).
3. Maiden
Even if I know there is no sense in suggesting something like that
(because I don't think (i.e. dare to hope) DT will play Maiden cover),
here are my suggestions: "The Duellists" (think of the instrumental middle
part !!) or "Hallowed Be Thy Name". "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" would
be very good, too, especially because of the heavy "rolling" rythm (one
reason why I like PMU so...BTW what do you think about Clawfinger ?).
Of course everything only my ... errr ... how do you say ... two cents.
bye, MiWo
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:00:30 +1200
From: euan@waikato.ac.nz
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 859
Message-ID: <v01510100ac0f8850fd9f@[130.217.176.34]>
>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:33:44 -0400 (EDT)
>From: J R McCullough <jrmccull@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
>To: YTSEJAM Newsletter <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
>Subject: JP vs EVH
>Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9506200843.A28581-b100000@acme>
>
>
>Someone wrote:
>
>"woah! Wait a minute...JP blows Eddie Van Halen away?? Hmm, that's
> a very very hard pill to swallow. How about lets just say they
>are both excellent guitarists (JP probably learned a lot from Eddie also)"
>
>Do something for me. Listen to Eddie's guitar solo on the VH live album
>and then listen to JP's solo after "To Live Forever" on the Live in Japan
>video. You'll soon discover that Eddie is technically good, but is musically
>inferior to JP. Whereas Eddie's solo has no form, and little content other
>than rambling noodling, JP's solo has a beginning, middle and end. He
>changes styles, moods, and feelings. He also rips better and more
>consistently than Eddie.
>
>After listening to those two solos back to back (and other VH and DT
>songs), I've come to the conclusion that JP is the complete guitar player.
>Let's face it, Eddie's tapping style was what blew us all away 15 years
>ago when we first heard "Eruption", but one style does not a guitar god
>make (at least in this day and age). JP can do it all - tap, rip, shred,
>pluck, pick, groove, funk, (and he does some _mean_ classical arpegios
><sp>). Correct me please, if I am wrong, but I don't think Eddie is that
>complete a guitar player.
>
>Firesuit on, awaiting flames...
>
>J.R.
Man, you are sure lucky that this is not being posted to
alt.music.vanhalen or alt.music.guitar, there are a lot of guitarists and
other fans out there who still worship the ground that Eddie walks on. I
am a diehard DT fan, but I still listen to and enjoy listening to VH and
Eddie's playing. Technical wizardry is one thing but it gets you nowhere
without feel. EVH embodies this in his "noodling" style. He is capable of
producing killer solo's at the drop of a hat (that wicked harmonic in Beat
it kills me every time I hear it). I'm sure JP is very skilled in
improvisation and there is no argument about his feel, but EVH is more
famous, makes more money and has been around a little bit longer in the
business. That should count for something.
IMHO.
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 863
*************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:54:54 EST