YTSEJAM Digest 864
Today's Topics:
1) Guitarists and Gods etc...
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
2) Re: maiden covers?
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
3) Dream Theater's new EP
by Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
4) 'hole lotta threads
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
5) Description of DT
by JennieBear@aol.com
6) Oh, a little of this, and, a little of that?
by BOB HOLDER <BH7314@SECORD.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>
7) one more short thread
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
8) Current Topics (long)
by Charlie Farrell <CFarrell@dataware.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 863
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 863
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
11) stuff
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
12) Re: Description of DT
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
13) lottsa non-DT content
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 863
by "Philip G. Sells" <sellsp@rpi.edu>
15) ??????????
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
16) Subconcious
by FilDBaskt@aol.com
17) What??
by JennieBear@aol.com
18) Another Pronounciation Thread
by JennieBear@aol.com
19) Corrections
by JennieBear@aol.com
20) Re: JP vs Eddie VH
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
21) Where are the triggered snares?
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 863
by kylania@mail.top.net
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 862
by Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
24) An old DT article I dug up!! LLLLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG
by curth@execpc.com
25)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:21:06 +1200
From: euan@waikato.ac.nz
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Guitarists and Gods etc...
Message-ID: <v01510101ac0f8de84d79@[130.217.176.34]>
Enough about guitarists! What really attracts me to this band is the
virtuosity of all it's members. The first DT track I ever heard was Ytse
Jam and that totally blew me away. However, I preferred the keyboard and
bass solo's to JP's on that particular track. This band is truly talented
and we (the fans) are blessed to have a collection of such vibrant and
energetic musicians gracing us with their songwriting efforts.
Just my opinion.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 13:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: maiden covers?
Message-ID: <199506222056.NAA07694@malibu.sfu.ca>
> ANYWAY...speaking of a Maiden song...how bout "Ryhme(sp?) of the
> Ancient Mariner" THAT would be GREAT!
i vote for this one as well! great song!
tim a
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 23:34 +0300
From: Aviad Shkolnikov <shkola@mail.snunit.k12.il>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater's new EP
Message-ID: <m0sOtSC-0000B2C@vmbb.cts.com>
G'day!
I got two question for you all:
1. What IS the Ronny Scott gig?
2. Is the EP called "A change of Seasons"? If it's not, I wander if any
of you have some ideas...
Mine is "Long expected Dreams"!
Take Care now
Aviad
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* and got the God of Shoping..." *
* Galiano * *
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Aviad Shkolnikov
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:16:28 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: 'hole lotta threads
Message-ID: <v01520c01ac0f28de1c11@[204.161.33.79]>
>>Concept albums: QR's O:M, PF's Wall have been mentioned howzabout
>>Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway ???
>>There was a recent post about the Doors & influences on DT: Although they
>>can't really be labelled as progressive or metal, they had a good deal of
>>influence on early progressive: Robbie Krieger's sometimes unusual guitar
>>style, heavy use of keys as a lead instrument by Ray Manzarek (sp?), &
>>bass petals (No bass guitar in live performance) plus Jim Morrison's
>>rather avant garde lyrics/music ('The End'; 'When the Music's Over') were
>>quite original in their time
On videos: although MTV-type videos have little influence on my listening
tastes, there have been some extended older live performance videos that
really struck me as interesting: Mike Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells 1 and 2'
performance are interesting for the many different musicians required to
play all the parts he played on the original studios (and 20 years
apart!!!). Another album, that alot of people probably have never heard
of: 'Variations' by Andrew LLoyd Webber, which was a set of variations on a
violin piece by Paganini (The same one Rachmaninoff used in his 'Rhapsody
on a Theme of Paganini' and Brahm's variations on the same theme for piano,
for all you classical listeners) for cello (played by his brother(?) Julian
Lloyd Webber) and rock band, which included Rad Argent (Argent, keys), Ron
Airey (Rainbow & Whitesnake(?), keys), Phil Collins on percussion and the
great British rock/blues guitarist Gary Moore (although lately known for
his blues work, he's also done some work with Ozzy), among other well-known
studio musicians. Anyway, they made a live video performance of the
variations (~40 minutes + interviews) one Sunday morning in the early
mid-70's. Wish they had VCR's back then.
Opinions on guitarists: add Gary Moore and Mark Knopfler to my previous
lists. Thank's for the replies that have already come in. I initiated
this thread to get others' opinions as well as to introduce some of the
younger Y'jammers to some of the vintage guitar gods, and their influence
on today's Axe-men (JP)
Also someone asked about what more-well-known groups could be used to
describe DT to the DT neophyte: I came up with a cross between QR and
Marillion, with a touch of Metallica (metal edge), except alot of people
have never heard of Marillion, so I might substitute Rush, Yes and/or
Kansas. I particularly like the QR/Marillion cross, because this is the
one I used on a very beautiful, long-blond-haired female friend of mine who
unfortunately (for me) has moved all the way across the continent (CRY!!);
she adores both QR & M
This leads me to one final thread: someone mentioned earlier about DT
lyrics and fundamentalist Christianity. As you have probably already
guessed, I am a Christian, an evangelical Christian; the news media has
tended to lump the evangelicals in with fundamentalists, WHICH WE ARE NOT.
I decry the heresies shovelled onto Christianity by the
fundamentalists/Christian-Coalition/Moral Majority/Jerry Falwell/Rush
Limbaugh-types who have their own agendas, which, IMO, don't jive with the
God of the OT or Jesus Christ and the NT. They have ruined people's lives
jamming their crap down peoples' throats; they don't want you to think,
only to follow them blindly; they're more interested in money and
flag-waving than in the personal faith in one's life. Those whose faith
they have ruined include my lovely blond friend. As my favorite Christian
cynics call them (Gary Cherone/Extreme) (and in the same vein, King's X):
the EVILangelists. This is, of course, my own opinion, but I think there
may be some other Y'Jammers who share similar ideas. Please don't judge us
by the fundamentalists -WE ARE NOT THEM--but rather on who we are; we
listen and enjoy DT, King's X, Extreme, etc...
I know this a long post, but these were things I had to say.
--Randall L. Braun
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
And how come you don't understand me? And how come I don't understand you?
Thirty years say we're in this together So open your eyes.
People in prayer for me everyone there for me
Sometimes I feel I should face this alone My soul exposed.....
Give up on misery Turn your back on dissent
Leave their distrust behind Wash your hands of regret
--Dream Theater, Scarred, (see Gospel of John, esp. Ch 13-21)
When I was younger, I thought I knew where I stood; now that I'm growing
older, I find the ground keeps moving --Youthquakes & Hardaches
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:01:51 -0400
From: JennieBear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Description of DT
Message-ID: <950622180119_76298847@aol.com>
In Ytsejam #857, Trey wrote the following:
>3) I think we should decide as a group a way to define DT. Since
there are no other bands that can really compare to them, when people
ask what they are like, what should we say? I feel a good description
of them which we all agreed on would help us turn on more people to
DT and in turn help out them. I would be happy to keep track of
all your ideas and post them in a small bunch which we could then
vote on. Tell me your opinion on this issue.<
Well, Keith and I tend to describe them in terms of who else they sound like.
That's good because say someone is a Rush or Kansas fan, then will get them
really excited to check it out. We tend describe them as throwing Rush,
Kansas, Yes, a little Boston...and a dash of Metallica even...into a blender!
:) It really piques curiosity!
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensrychejenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BOB HOLDER <BH7314@SECORD.NIAGARAC.ON.CA> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: BH7314@SECORD.NIAGARAC.ON.CA Subject: Oh, a little of this, and, a little of that? Message-ID: <950622181130.21601cf8@SECORD.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>
If you're into concept album's, check out Roger Waters' - Radio K.A.O.S., it is in the running for numero uno. Does anyone know how I can get a hold of CMC International records? Heard a rumor that Ritchie Blackmore was gonna do the Rainbow thing again. Anyone know if this is true? For Ian Mowatt: Last time I went to HMV in T.O., they had WDADU for $20? On the concert trail: 6 days to Ted Nugent, Bad Co. & Kim Mitchell @ Friendship Festival, Fort Erie 23 days to Queensryche @ Darien Lake (8th Row) 57 days to VH @ Molson Amphitheater ?? days to DT @ ?? "I would have gotten away with it too, if it were'nt for those meddling kid's" (Choose your villian) from Scooby-Doo See Ya, Bob "How can I see tomorrow if you keep me in the dark" Face against my soul - sUBHUMAN rACE - Skid Row
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:43:22 -0700 From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: one more short thread Message-ID: <v01520c00ac0f3a8040fd@[204.161.33.79]>
Someone mentioned that DT was more 'Jazz' than 'Classical' This may be because (or so I was told by a PhD in music and music theory) Berklee is oriented toward jazz performance. This is interesting, as jazz, at least in live performance tends to feature improvisation. Earlier, some Y'jammers were complaining(?) that DT's music was almost too tight, that the improv solos were too 'pre-planned, structured'. This would seem to make DT music (in theory) more 'classical' in structure. Just a thought.
--no sig, just me Randall L. Braun
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 23:17:00 edt From: Charlie Farrell <CFarrell@dataware.com> To: "ytsejam (mesages)" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Current Topics (long) Message-ID: <2FEA1CA9@instigate.dataware.com>
Well, two months into receiving this list, I feel ready to contribute.
1) SUBCONCIOUS - A big FUCK YEAH! to Mike Bahr. It's still growing on me, but can I say that I was less than impressed with ACOS after all the talk on the list. I love Eve, Winter and Tears though - and I'm a convert to Tori also (Little Earthquakes is a must-have).
2) I&W vs AWAKE. It took me two months to track down the I&W CD, here in London and by that time I'd become well atuned to AWAKE. I'm not a production freak, so some of the threads here just go right over my head, nevertheless AWAKE sounds so much better to me. I just adore SDV.
3) Concept Albums. I'd go with 'The Lamb Lies down on Broadway', though I also like O:M and Savatage's 'Streets'. One of my biggest regret's was missing out on seeing Genesis tour with the 'Lamb' but I couldn't skip school to queue for tickets. Someone mentions 'Tales from the Topographic Oceans' - that was probably the low point of Yes's recording career!
4) Guitarists. Fave's for me have probably been Michael Schenker, Ritchie Blackmore and Eddie Van Halen. There's some great technicians out there but the key point for me is can they write a great song and can they play as a member of a group. Though I like a lot of Satch's stuff, there's a lot missing from a composition point of view - ditto Yngwie's more recent stuf. I can't play a not - so what do I know! I love JP's stuf though.
5) Job. I work as a technical support manager for a software company. Receiving the digest is infinitely preferable to a mail about some user's problem.
6) Related bands/Influences. It is both bizarre and fascinating to read a list where everyone seems to share an interest is so many bands. Hell, in this day and age I'd never thought I might find a list on which the members were familiar with so many of the bands that I spent hours listening to during my teenage years - eg Yes, Genesis, Rush - Gentle Giant even!, not to forget the likes of Kansas - though I haven't seen a mention of Styx, Starcastle or Greenslade.
7) CYGNUS; If its anything like as good as Mike says it is, it will be excellent. The gig I saw on that tour was phenomenal!
Finally thanks to the Swedish rock fan who I met after a Glenn Hughes gig in Stockholm and who insisted that I purchase a copy of AWAKE. I haven't looked back! I always thought that the swedes had good taste when it came to rock music.
Er, that's enough, I think
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:21:08 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 863 Message-ID: <v01510100ac0fdea2e7c6@[199.232.46.229]>
zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>Flawless, that is, except for that atrocity of an album closer. It is simply >tacked on there at the end, _after_ the logical album closer. I just wish it >was somewhere else, because other than the complete choppiness of Erotomania >it's the only thing I don't like about the album, and having it as the last >track always leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Frankly, I like SDV but I know what you mean about it closing the album. I sometimes end right before SDV. But what the hell is that bit about Erotomania being choppy!!!!! Yikes!! It's anything but!! (I would have written that all in caps but thought it was too much). Erotomania is my main inspiration. Notice how there are many different parts that just flow into each other. Watch how perfectly they get into a new section that's in a new tempo and sometimes a new time sig! Listen for the new parts that don't appear in other places but make great transitions. Erotomania is a masterpiece. I love it. I listen to it constantly to see what DT did to make it flow so well. I can play the bass part and I never feel like anything is weird or inappropriate - except for one part that feels weird but that's me. They do it right.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:21:16 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 863 Message-ID: <v01510103ac0fe226bb2e@[199.232.46.229]>
>> Best DT moment. For me, has to be Surrounded. I just met a great girl about >> a month ago and Surrounded completely makes me think of her. To me, it's a >> very positive song. I'm notoriously bad at lyric interpretation so I won't >> offer my thoughts (yet anyway) on what it means but I'd be interested in >> hearing what others think of Surrounded. Maybe some more literary types :). >> > >Well, that's very nice! If she dumps you tomorrow then Space-Dye Vest >will completely make you think of her, with The Mirror/Lie a close second. > >I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't kid around about stuff like that, but it >shows the contrast between I&W and Awake, LaBrie's singing, etc. > >Mike Stoner
Well, that wasn't the response I was looking for really ;). I have thought about the contrast between Surrounded and SDV. I've also noticed that Kevin Moore has written the lyrics to many of my favorite DT songs. Although the band is always credited with the music, I think the lyricist plays a larger role in the music. I'm sure Derik is a great player and musician but I am concerned about Moore's departure. OTOH, there were a lot more keys on WDADU and I&W compared to Awake so maybe we'll get more keys on the next album.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <9506230538.AA20505@junix.ju.edu>
Where can I get an Echolyn CD?
What other bands are very close (not just similar) to DT? I say similar because I really don't care for many other prog bands (Rush, Fates, Queenschry ((how do you spell that anyway)) ect.)
Is there a recording or bootleg or something of the Ronnie Scott gig?
Are there anymore copies of the Instrumental I or II CDs?
How come no other bands are as good as DT?(grin)
Sorry for all the questions... Trey Allen tallen@junix.ju.edu
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Description of DT Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506222225.A5993-0100000@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>
I have THE Perfect Description fer DT!!!!! Mix Yanni and Pantera...there ya go...Nuff' Said!!!! :)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:04:56 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: lottsa non-DT content Message-ID: <v01510100ac0fec6d6469@[199.232.46.229]>
William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>Someone posted a web site with CD samples for a new band. I downloaded >one file (.au) but the level was so high that all I heard was noise. I >turned the volume down as low as possible, but it was then lower volume >noise! Does anyone know anything about that?
Gee, I hope that wasn't me. I just put up a page for the Joel Rivard Group and uploaded one sound clip. It's in .au format. It plays fine for me. I thought I downloaded it from the page to check it. Anyway, where did you get the sample? And, if anyone is interested, check out the page. It's very much under construction. I just did it quick to get it up soon. It lists two sound clips but only one is available (two by tomorrow 6/23/95). There is also a link to SoundMachine for Mac and SoundApp for Mac - both will play .au files but SoundApp will also convert them to other formats. I'm looking for a link to a PC program that can play .au files. If anyone knows of one let me know.
<DT content> I'm listening to almost nothing but DT lately and they're having a real influence on my writing. The sound clip that's available (as above) is one that Joel and I wrote together.
Thanks
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:02:46 -0400 From: "Philip G. Sells" <sellsp@rpi.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 863 Message-ID: <9506230002.ZM22697@vccnw04.its.rpi.edu>
Hi. Just a quick note about the European tour date mentioned by Paul and Mark:
> 9.7 - St. Gallen (Italy?)
St. Gallen is in Switzerland, sort of central, I think. It wouldn't be a very far jaunt from Munich to there.
-- ~ ~ | Philip Sells (sellsp@rpi.edu) | "On the cutting edge of orthodoxy" O O | http://www.rpi.edu/~sellsp `------------------------------------ | | Dept. of Chemistry, RPI; Troy, NY 12180 USA * Work: 518-276-4583 \___/ | I'm a chemist by trade, but a theologian at heart....
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:12:51 -0400 From: FilDBaskt@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ?????????? Message-ID: <950623001247_100610036@aol.com>
I don't mean to sound rude, but doesn't anyone just listen to DT's albums? I too, like many of you out there, am a musician of sorts and have played with bands. But when I listen to DT I step back and listen to the song as a whole. Many of you seem to pick each and every song apart. When you break down a song, any song, no matter how good it is, it losses all of its significance as a work of art. DT didn't write these songs with the intent that each part would stand out by itself as a work of art. They instead wrote the parts knowing that the sum would be greater than the whole. Many of you guys are destroying the meaning of DT's work. Maybe you guys should try and listen, really listen, and not analyze.
Phil
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:13:05 -0400 From: FilDBaskt@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Subconcious Message-ID: <950623001304_100610193@aol.com>
I am well aware that this question must have been asked about a billion times or so, but what is Subconcious? It sounds like a recent DT release(from what I have been able to pick up) and if it is where can one get a copy? If this information is available in a FAQ can someone please point the way? Thanks in advance.
Phil
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:14:21 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: What?? Message-ID: <950623001419_100611107@aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #859:
>In response to a question on YTSEJAM #1:
I think the singer's name is James LaBrie, but I could be wrong. Anyone else
out there wanna back me up on this?<
What?? Am I in the midst of one of my hypoglycemic spaciness attacks? Or maybe he's REALLY behind in reading his 'Jams? <g>
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:14:38 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Another Pronounciation Thread Message-ID: <950623001436_100611352@aol.com>
So, we've discussed the pronounciation of "Ytsejam" several times, but exactly how does one pronounce the name "Myung"?
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On another note (totally tangential, mind you! <g>), has anyone here picked up Pink Floyd's "Pulse"? That little blinking light fascinates me to no end. <g> (Although I really love the little book, too...) It's like this little beacon to my CD tower now - makes it easy to locate my DT CDs in the dark! :D
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:14:29 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Corrections Message-ID: <950623001428_100611268@aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #860:
> You ask where I got the tour dates for Dream Theater here in the states? I got it from:
alt.music.dream-theater
check it out...if you haven't! Nov 10th in St. Louis, and Nov 11th in Kansas City. Of course since its pretty far in advanced...it could easily change.<
I hate to break this to you Todd, but since you're a friend, maybe that will make it more palatable. <g> The dates quoted in alt.music.dream-theater came off a t-shirt from *last year's* leg of the "Awake" tour. I know this because after I read that posting, I checked the back of one of my shirts - seemed a little bit odd that DT was going to play the same venues on the same dates *this* year! :)
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:18:14 -0400 (EDT) From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: JP vs Eddie VH Message-ID: <9506230518.AA13024@junix.ju.edu>
HELL YEA! Thanks for the JP vs EVH back up fellows! There's no question that EVH is A guitar god but JP is THE guitar God!
Also as I posted earlier, how would and/or do you, as a devoted DT fan, describe to DT virgins this band we all love, without mentioning other bands (many of the people I tell this to do know bands like Queenschry, King Crimson, Rush, Yes, Fates ect.)?
Trey Allen
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Where are the triggered snares? Message-ID: <9506230547.AA09742@junix.ju.edu>
Maybe I'm dumb and deaf, but I haven't heard any of these triggered snares ewveryone is talking about. PLease give me a time and song where this occures.
Also you guys seem to agree that the recording on Awake surpasses that of I&W's...What about the bass drum? I prefer the kick on I&W's way more than on Awake. On Awake it is EQed too low. The 30kH band is too loud. Not enough of the +60kH. Not to sound like the kick off of the band Death or Obituary though I hate that... Trey Allen tallen@junix.ju.edu
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:45:49 -0500 From: kylania@mail.top.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 863 Message-ID: <199506230645.BAA03491@dns.top.net>
>Life of Agony- Great album. It is a conceptual album too, for you >conceptual album fans! Kind of like STP on steroids. Maybe like old COC. > > >Try these two, and if you don't like 'em you can blame me. > > > >-Bill Bechtold
Bill, nothing personal, but Life of Agony IS agony! They have some really cool songs, but someone NEEDS to kill the singer (the backup singer is GREAT!) and JP needs to show their lead guitarist exactly what a solo should be. There's NOTHING good about any of the "solos". They don't make sence within the songs. I do like the album though. If you're angry...nothing beats it!! Plus the conceptual part is awesome!! I must agree with Bill that, if used, it's worth picking up. Be ready for sloopy solos and painful singing but some really kick ass riffs. Mike Bahr: "HELL YES MIKE!!!" There you go...say the word and $23 for UP is coming your way!!
For the F&J thread...the ONLY bad thing about NPFD is the sound quality. At least my CD is painful to litsen to loud but still rocks!! I thought Jason was still with them on this album...oops!
For the Maiden fans...Rime would be great...but think of Alexander the Great!
For the guy who didn't like the imagery in I&W. Think of the title, "IMAGES and Words". I love that kind of stuff. "glass moonlight" means more to me than "in the light of the moon" or whatever simple words would say. Using imagery opens the song up to your imagination. It means something to the writer but also can mean very different things to the listener, using the same words. "Chasing water from the sky, I argue with the clouds, stealing beauty from her eyes." Those lines have a meaning to JP but also have a meaning to -me-. Is the "water" Rain? Is it Tears? Is it Love? Is it Faith? It can be whatever you want it to be...Images open up so much to you... A picture can say a thousand words and an image can say a picture.
Enough ranting for now...think I'll sleep now...
Dave
"All we can really share is the coldness we feel and the silent memory of the moment we met" Eye to Eye/Fates Warning
"I think it's time now for you to know, holding on is easier than letting go." Life In Still Water/Fates Warning
"I know that it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye..." Surrounded/Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 862 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950623002033.6869A-100000@mercury>
You don't like Metropolis?. . . You don't like Metropolis?. . . You don't like Metropolis?. . . You don't like Metropolis?. . . YOU DON'T LIKE METROPOLIS?!!!!
Metropolis seems to me to be the most soulful of Dream Theater's songs. Pull me under, 6:00, and Caught in a Web are showy songs, Take the Time and Erotomania are their fast paced and impressive songs, Learning to Live and A Change of Seasons are their more-or- less epic songs, Surrounded, Another day, and Eve are their pretty songs, Space-Dye vest and Voices are their deep songs, Lie and Mirror are their "heavy" songs, and I don't know where the others fit in, but it seems to me that Metropolis is the most Dream Theater of all their songs. It feels like they are taking of the plaster mold of all their influences and revealing what it has made them. If someone wants to know what Dream Theater is like, I would play Metropolis for them. It is not quite my favorite songs; Wait for Sleep, Learning to Live, Space-Dye vest, Pull me Under, and Take the time go under that category, but there really is nothing cooler then the intro to Metropolis. The intro changes whatever mood I'm in and gives me Metropolis. No matter what mood I am in, Metropolis is always just as good, and I always get similar emotions from it. Enough rambling: I thing it would be really cool if Dream Theater did a video for A Change of Seasons. Wait for Sleep would also be cool. But in both cases, it would be cool if they didn't show as much of them playing, and more of a graphic story. Seeya, -Jun-Dai Bates
"Are there spots in a leopard's eyes, also?" Yume no gekijoo -The Crow "The rain fell, like blankets of night." bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu -The Jester
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 02:53:39 -0500 From: curth@execpc.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: An old DT article I dug up!! LLLLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG Message-ID: <199506230753.CAA21787@earth.execpc.com>
Hi all, Well just wanted to let you know that I dug up 2 of my old RIP magazines and typed the DT-related stuff into the computer. One is the not-very-positive review of WDADU (6/89) which I'll post if there's enuff interest (hey, I bought simply cuz the review said that there's a ton of Rush influence!! - who cares if the guy reviewing it thinks it sucks!) and the other, which is below, is a nice article from the 10/89 issue which contains plenty of qutoes from Charlie Dominici and Kev. Enjoy!! Oh and if for whatever reason, you think this was a stupid waste of bandwidth, I apologize in advance, and I'll don my fire-suit!!
Scott Hansen curth@execpc.com
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pgs 66-68 Now Playing: DREAM THEATER (by Joe Lalaina) In the assorted press that Dream Theater has accumulated since its debut album, When Dream and Day Unite, was released, the Long Island band has been most often compared to Rush, with many of the clippings saying how Charlie Dominici's vocals are remarkably like Geddy Lee's. "It's an inaccurate comparison," says Dominici. "The first line of our song 'Status Seeker' may sound like Geddy singing 'New World Man', but I'm not like him on the rest of the album. Our music, more than anything else, makes people think my vocals are like Geddy's. Dream Theater has a progressive edge and lots of time changes, like Rush does. And Mike Portnoy's drumming is reminiscent of Neil Peart's." "Geddy has a thinner voice than Charlie's," adds keyboardist Kevin Moore. "If I had to compare Charlie, it'd be to Steve Walsh [Kansas]. If he were in another band, I don't think people would compare him to Geddy. The main similarity between them is they both sing high." If anything, Dream Theater is hard to categorize because different styles are always apparent. The group takes two extremes - metal and progressive rock - and combines them. The Theater can smoothly alternate from a thrashing Metallica-type attack to a celestial interlude, creating a sound that immediately stands out. Dream Theater has put the balls into progressive music, rocking out and spacing out at the same time. "Not many bands are doing what we're doing," says Dominici. "If you really listen to us, you'll realize the extremes go further than just metal and progressive rock. We're almost like a progressive jazz-metal band. In a record store music is divided into numerous categories-classical, jazz, pop, soul, funk, metal, and so on. Our music has all those elements. We listen to everything from the Beatles to Miles Davis to Metallica, and it shows." In spite of the band's wide-ranging tastes, many have lumped Dream Theater alongside the progressive bands of the '70s. "That's just a surface impression," maintains Dominici. "People classify things so they can explain it to others. The fact that we've been compared to bands like Kansas, Rush , ELP and early Genesis is because their musicianship, and ours, is above average. There's a lot of groups that I'd be insulted to be compared to, and those aren't any of them." "We're influenced by those bands," adds Moore, "so it's a compliment being compared to them. We like that period of music when progressive rock reigned. But we're not stuck in the '70s at all; we're edging into the '90s with a new sound." Though many bands are streamlining their music for mass acceptance, Dream Theater plays what's closest to their hearts. "We're not out to be superstars or millionaires," says Moore. "When we're writing songs, we never say, 'Okay let's write something that'll make us lots of money.' That's not being yourself. And if what we write doesn't have a hook that you can stomp your foot to or whistle to while walking down the street, that's just how it turned out." "We realize as much as anybody that some of our songs are a bit busy and long," continues Moore, "and we sometimes get carried away. But we just write until we're satisfied. For example, one of our newer songs is currently about 18 minutes long. It's just a journey we're going on; we won't let it end until the idea is fully expressed." "We never write from a business point of view," insists Dominici. "We'd love to sell a lot of records, but we want people to buy them because they really like our music; not because they like our haircut, or something like that. And I'm not disappointed that our album didn't make the Billboard chart - I almost expected it. Face it: We don't have a video, so it's harder to break to gold or platinum status. It used to take bands a few years to reach that point, but with the advent of video, you can do it in a few months. Living Colour and Winger are good examples." In a sense, Dream Theater is like a '70s band - word of mouth, press, touring, and good music are all the group has to get across to the masses. "Artistic ability is a very important thing being forgotten in the music world," explains Dominici. "I'd like to see more bands get back to what music really is - an audio expression of emotion. With video, people put music in the backseat and concentrate more on the physical attractions of the clip. When you put all the makeup, fancy clothes and sexy stuff in the video, people get too caught up in all that aesthetic confusion and forget the music - the most important thing. It's the difference between people who have a real relationship with someone and those who frequent bars just looking for pretty faces. "I may not be the sexiest guy in the world," he continues, "but I'd rather be regarded as a good singer than as a sex object. I'm really shy. I'd rather have one special girl than a million girls infatuated with me. As much a Jon Bon Jovi's looks may benefit his record sails, all the girls who constantly follow him around must put a lot of stress and strain on his personal life. That price for success isn't really worth it." "Charlie is the best singer that we could possible have," adds Moore. "It took a year of auditions before we finally settled on him. We knew he was for us. Our previous singer, Chris Collins didn't have as much musical knowledge, so it was harder to communicate song ideas to him. Besides having a great voice, Charlie also plays piano and guitar, so he knows what he's talking about. "Each member of the band has equal say," continues Moore. "We're a guitar-dominated band, but keyboards figure into our sound quite a bit. I obviously want to have as much presence as possible, but I want the guitar to edge them out for a heavy edge. In the bands where keyboards are too heavily incorporated, like on Rush's most recent live album, the overall sound loses power. It's more digital than analog. We want a powerful live sound at all times." "We work so hard on our music," says Dominici. "It takes a big effort just to sing our songs. Some nights I don't make all those notes. I love the challenge of being on the edge and outdoing myself. And we're not trying to be like those bands we've been accused of emulating. What makes us different is the same thing that makes them different from each other." What's Dream Theater's goal? "To get as many babes as possible," laughs Moore. And, more seriously, "To achieve the highest level of performance on our respective instruments. It was a big dream of ours just to make an album, so that goal has already been achieved." "We may not be breaking any sales records with When Dream and Day Unite," realizes Dominici, "but Dream Theater is a great band to be in. We have a lot to say. Maybe we're saying too much at once, but we know people will latch onto us sooner or later. Our music is complex, so it takes more than a couple of listens to appreciate. A lot of bands seem to think that 'making it' is a financial thing, but it really has more to do with being happy doing what you want to do. So to us, we've already made it."
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