YTSEJAM Digest 870
Today's Topics:
1) Advertisement for the new EP
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
2) Re: Prelude and Aftermath
by larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten)
3) Re: TO guy
by larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten)
4) Re: Myung's writing...
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 867
by "John Jens, Jr." <jjens@gmu.edu>
6) Myung's writing style
by Robert_Kasper_at_Main__Post__office@voyager.capmetro.austin.tx.us (Robert Kasper)
7) Moore at Berkeley?
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) motions when playing
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
9) Alice in Chains
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
10) LaBrie's voice
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
11) YTSEJAM digest 869
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
12) Ridiculously long .sigs
by david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
13) Musical comments, DT noodling, Cygnus
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) Myung's writing
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) Re: Instrumental, and EVH v. JP
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 869
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
17) drummers
by Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU>
18) Re: Moore at Berkeley?
by Robert C Devereux <nero+@CMU.EDU>
19) Misc. Dt stuff and what I do.
by Larry G Waterfield <mulgw1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
20) Re: tidbits and useless information....
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 23:09:47 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Advertisement for the new EP
Message-ID: <9506270609.AA04834@tengs1.teng>
Hey everybody!
I just heard a plug for the new EP on the radio
(93 Rock, Sacramento) the other night. Well, it
was really about 1:00 in the morning. The DJ said
it was called "A Change of Seasons" (big suprise),
and he confirmed the Sept. release date.
This makes me wonder what, if anything, they're
going to release to the radio. Perhaps this was
the reason in changing the song a little bit...
to make parts of it more radio-friendly? Imagine
the radio edit of that!
Not having heard the new version, I couldn't do more
than speculate on that. Perhaps they will release
a cover; perhaps, it won't make a difference since
"Lie" and "TSM" didn't really get any airplay in
the first place.
later,
Zach
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:51:40 -0400
From: larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Prelude and Aftermath
Message-ID: <99b_9506270313@tor250.org>
(Didn't intend for this to be so long, sorry...)
> going on about a Maiden cover by DT. "Not gonna do it..., NOT
> it..., wouldn't be prudent - at this juncture!" It's never, EVER,
> happen people. I'll be happy if their next album is at least on
> with WDADU. Without Kevin's writing to work with, it just leaves
> Petrucci to work up the killer songs - the ones that make you hit 'track
While I don't necessarily agree with you totally, I do share some of
your sentiments. I still think the next album will kick ass - anything
DT does kicks ass. But I am a bit concerned as to whether they'll be
able to match I&W (or Awake, for you Awake lovers).
Even on Awake, you can tell Kevin's interest in the band was waning at
that point. Aside from SDV (which as people have commented, doesn't seem
to fit in with most of DT's other stuff), and the cool little keyboard
riffs on 6:00, the SDV melody in The Mirror, and a couple other places
on the album, there isn't really anything that stands out. On I&W you
had awesome keyboard stuff all the way through several songs, it wasn't
just limited to a few riffs here and there, but mostly simple accompany-
ment. The same can be said for WDADU.
But... I think it's a little premature to judge. Derek can play, I can
say that much. If it's true that Derek had to learn everything by ear
(this is what Brian Cox posted on the newsgroup recently) in 2-3 weeks,
and that he only had 2 days to learn PMU, TTT and some other song off
I&W, that's incredible. I mean, I assume that's what I should have
expected, and I assume he'd have more to go with than just a copy of the
CD's. But I'm still impressed by that. Also, remember that Derek plays
guitar as well, so he'll probably have no trouble writing those Guitar-ish
keyboard solos just like Kevin's.
Anyway, I'm not sure they can accomplish something as good as I&W again,
but only time will tell. The bottom line, is that I think they'll be
better off with a good keyboardist who's willing to put a lot of effort
into the writing (Derek) than with a keyboardist who's lost interest in
that style of music, and is not at his creative best (Kev, on Awake).
But you do have some good points (enough to make me worried... :) ), about
them releasing ACOS so they can put off working on another album, etc.
> and listen to again. And, much though I idolize and canonize
> Petrucci, he can't support the weight of the band alone. Mike P.
> shows some promise with 'The Mirror', but Myung's writing is flaky,
> inconsistent, and completely without any coherence or structure!
Yeah, Petrucci is awesome writing maybe half the songs on the album, but
if he has to jump in and do almost all of the writing, I don't think
he'd be at his best. It would be more or less a situation where he'd
say "Well, maybe this isn't the best, but it'll do", as opposed to being
a perfectionist like they all were on I&W.
> Sherinian can cover the Moore keys parts, but can he compose similar
> parts? Can he write a song that - with music taken away - reads like
> a poem? Moore and Petrucci write all the best, most moving tunes and
> with Moore gone I fear that DT is facing a molehill turned into a
> mountain. Is this why they a regurgitating ACoS?
As a lyricist I have to wonder about Sherinian. Kevin Moore's lyrics are
some of the best, most intelligent, and intertesting that I've seen.
Derek's got big shoes to fill here, I don't think he'll be able to do it.
But it's not that big a deal (to me), since the lyrics don't make a huge
difference to me. I'll notice good lyrics eventually, but the music is
what makes the first impression. As long as James doesn't sound really
stupid singing it, I won't notice until later. :)
> joined Dream Theater at all. Let's see... we lose PMU,
> Surrounded, Wait for Sleep, 6:00, Lie, and SDV - just to name the
> tunes on the last two albums which he wrote. Okay, okay, LaBrie
Don't forget TTT, even though they all wrote it, I think he had a heavy
influence on that as well, it wouldn't be the same without him.
> It ain't gonna happen. Get Kevin back, guys!
I couldn't see them getting Kevin back, but I wonder what will happen if
he doesn't get a record deal? He may have had a change in musical taste,
but I'm sure he doesn't HATE Dream Theater's style of music, and they're
always evolving anyway, so I'm sure even if he stayed in the band, he
could've had an influence on the direction they'd take (it's not as if
the band was on any set path as far as musical style goes, they're just
progressive... that's it - I'm sure their next album will be just as
different from Awake as Awake was from I&W).
BTW, anyone know what's with all the OLD messages that keep popping up
every couple of 'Jams?
30 days till QR at Molson Ampitheater!!!
Lars Hellsten <*> "You can feel the waves coming on, let them
larsh@apc.tor250.org <*> destroy you or carry you on" - Dream Theater
-- |Fidonet: Lars Hellsten 1:250/320 |Internet: larsh@tor250.org------------------------------
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:08:04 -0400 From: larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: TO guy Message-ID: <99c_9506270313@tor250.org>
> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:21:43 -0700 > From: Dan Tshin <danman@orbonline.net> [...] > Hey!! what High School? I just finished in Mississauga, Erindale = > Secondary School, to be exact. About RCM stuff, hmmm, I felt the same = > way: sick, but I finished up to Grade 10. I'm glad it's over, but I now > = want to do more. DT stuff really kicked me! They write very > tastefully..
I've heard of your school. I go to Woburn C.I. in Scarborough (not exactly the most exciting place - no Dream Theater fans there, besides myself, and friends who I've forced into being DT fans). As far as piano, I'd probably be all the way up to grade 10 by now if I hadn't dropped piano.
Looking back, I wish I'd continued, just because I've forgotten a lot of the stuff I knew, and want to learn more. But to be honest, I'd probably be much better off taking some kind of course/lessons concen- trating almost entirely on music theory, since I mostly learned just how to play, as opposed to theory (but probably because I was also younger at the time).
> Ditto! I also play guitar, and have some of the transcriptions for the > songs. Can you please email me the MIDI files that you have! I'd love > to have them. Have you had the chance to figure out Eve (from = > subconscious... That's IF you have it!...?)
Yes, I have Subconscious. But I haven't Taken The Time (argh, can't avoid that... ;) ) to figure it out yet. I really like the song though. It would be nice if they sped it up a little, and made the piano part more cmoplex, but it's still really nice. I'd really like to see them do more slow instrumentals (of course, without sacrificing any of the fast ones with blazing solos and stuff), I like WFS, but IMHO it'd be better with a bit of guitar and drums in the middle, and no lyrics.
[this should really be in e-mail I guess...]
Anyway, before I babble too far and turn this into another 100 line post (grin), yeah I'll e-mail you those MIDIs. If I do transcribe Eve, I'll do it as a MIDI file, and try and throw in the drum/guitar parts.
BTW, I'm somewhat anti-christian - actually, anti-any-religion would be a better way of putting it - I was brought up as a christian, going to church and Sunday School and stuff, and always HATED it, but I won't go into that ... :) I'm not quite another Peter Steele though, so you don't need to worry if we decide meet at the QR concert. ;)
Lars Hellsten <*> "You can feel the waves coming on, let them larsh@apc.tor250.org <*> destroy you or carry you on" - Dream Theater
-- |Fidonet: Lars Hellsten 1:250/320 |Internet: larsh@tor250.org
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:28:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Myung's writing... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950627085123.8118A-100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Hi jammers!
I'm quite upset about a comment from a fellow jammer, I don't share his view at all and I demand some elaboration from him on this subject. Other jammer's DO join in as well!
Robert Kasper wrote (and I can't beleive this!):
> with WDADU. Without Kevin's writing to work with, it just leaves Petrucci > to work up the killer songs - the ones that make you hit 'track reverse' > and listen to again. And, much though I idolize and canonize Petrucci, he > can't support the weight of the band alone. Mike P. shows some promise > with 'The Mirror', but Myung's writing is flaky, inconsistent, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > completely without any coherence or structure! Sherinian can cover the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WHAT!?!
I find this statement to be ridicoulus, and I would very much like to see a little more detailed thoughts on why Myung's writing is flaky, incoherent, structureless...
How can we make judgements like that when he's only been responsible for TWO song lyrics. I guess that he also contributed lots of ideas for those two songs, you could easily hear that! IMO those two songs, Learning to Live and Lifting Shadows Off a Dream are #1 and #(5-10) in my book of fave DT- songs. I don't think they are inconsistent, sure LTL is a magnum epic and LSOAD is a softer poppy tune, but that's just two styles. I don't rag on Petrucci for not being consistent or coherent by writing Silent Man.
I think LSOAD is a very good song, but it's maybe a bit too short, it ends right after the high-point of the song. The lyrics are not bad at all, they're some of the best on that album. While the lyrics to LTL is probably one of the absolute best that DT have done, Myung said himself that his lyrics got a little better this time. Yes, LSOAD doesn't have excessive instrumental masturbation, but since when do EVERY song have to have that.
Mike Portnoy said himself: "through the years we have definately realised the importance of a SONG"
Well, that's it IMO, without the songs like LSOAD or SDV or WFS the albums would be a lot weaker. It's the variety and contrasts that make these albums so damn great. If you just put PMU, TTT, UAGM, The Mirror, Lie, Erotomania... back to back there would definately be something missing.
If Myung had a big part in putting together LTL apart from the lyrics, I would easily say that he's my favourite writer i DT. LTL is IMO the best put together SONG (together with Scarred maybe...and some more ;-)) that DT have done. (look at the poll!) It has a perfect flow, it builds and climaxes at exactly the right time, and live it's even better. The jazz- breaks and instrumental-sections do not at all distract from the song IMO, they help to build the song...
..just like Starless on the King Crimson album Red (from 1974), first there is this unbelievably beautiful ballad-section w/ soprano-sax etc. that when you think the song is over, it goes into some seemingly inappropriate free-form jam-section that goes on for some minutes and gradually builds and then suddenly they return to the main theme and it's so damn strong that you just sit there paralyzed. The jamming made the main-theme seem so much stronger when it returned, and BTW the jam-section is also brilliant in itself...
No, I think LTL is the best damn song written ever and you'd better not disagree with me ;-) Oh, well, but please tell me why you don't like his writing!
I could go on raving about this for forever but I'm sure other jammers would like to continue from here...
/Mats
(#1: Learning To Live #2: Scarred #3: The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun #4: 6:00 #5: The Killing Hand . . .)
________________________________________________________________________ / Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry / /-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ / "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS / /_______________________________________________________________________/
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Jens, Jr." <jjens@gmu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 867 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950627085651.5191A-100000@osf1.gmu.edu>
On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Marc Respass wrote:
> No. I am raggin' on Yanni! Yeah, the bass solo was great. Kenny G has a > great bass player too. Am I running out the buy a Kenny g album. No. Jeez. > I don't think ol' Yanni is similar to DT at all. Yanni's New Age. DT is > prog-metal. I think the Kenny G comparison is much better. Both have a > great lite show. Goodness. Yanni similar to DT. right.
no, DT and Yanni don't *sound* the same but their material is *composed* similarly. ie. song stucture, chord progression. there are many other musical similarities that i can hear, but since i'm not formally trained in music i can't put them into words. this doesn't mean they aren't there though. Yanni's intense and emotional. need i say DT's intense and emotional?
i do agree w/ Jason (i think) when he said that Yanni's studio ablums are over-processed. i dislike these and only own Live at the Acropolis.
ok,semi-flame over. how bout this: DT w/ a full orchestra? might be interesting...
later, -john (tooler@IRC)
john c. jens jr. jjens@gmu.edu http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/
' anger is a constructive emotion; hate is not ' - MJK --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 08:57:03 -0500 From: Robert_Kasper_at_Main__Post__office@voyager.capmetro.austin.tx.us (Robert Kasper) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Myung's writing style Message-ID: <feff21f0@voyager.capmetro.austin.tx.us>
Ytsejammers, revolt against the system! Myung has only written the one song which some of you mentioned... the learned to living thing at the end of that second album, what was it called? Stylistically, LTL and UaGM, are weak. For an album entitled 'Images and Words' they fit fine, both are primarily a lot of unrelated images strung together. All that saves them is the music - the kick-ass jamming that endeared DT to me. On 'Awake', I'd say that Innocence Faded would fall into this same category. I'm not degrading DT. I pray daily that they will survive untainted. To the guy who said 'ain't gonna happen' about Kevin coming back - you're right, but one can still dream, can't one? Perhaps they will survive - or perhaps they'll go the way of Megadeth. The brightest star players will kill a band if they JUST DON'T FIT. (ala Friedman) I just wanna be back where I started, - Robert Kasper, O.P. 'There is serenity in chaos - find peace with a contented chao' - Principia Discordia
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:31:20 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Moore at Berkeley? Message-ID: <v01510100ac15bc39c91f@[199.232.46.229]>
Jon Larkowski <lark@sawdust.cvfn.org> wrote: > >> Moore keys parts, but can he compose similar parts? Can he write a >>song >> that - with music taken away - reads like a poem? Moore and >>Petrucci write > >Well, he got into Berkeley somehow.
Do you mean Berklee (College of Music)? I don't wanna sound like another Berklee drop-out putting down the school but Berklee does not have an entrance audition. Getting into Berklee is no harder than any other school. Decent grades/SAT scores and check that clears will do it for ya'.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:31:24 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: motions when playing Message-ID: <v01510101ac15bd2f0318@[199.232.46.229]>
Deebor@aol.com wrote:
>I'm just listening to Type-O-Neg on the radio and I look back to the >Queensryche concert: The Type O Neg keyboard guy looked like a freak with the >motions he was doing. Does Kevin Moore do that? Derick?(sp) I imagine that >Kev just stands there plays, which in my opinion is much cooler than "getting >into it" the way that Type O Neg keyboardist did.
Yeah, but your opinion doesn't mean shit. Lots of people look goofy when they play. Ever see Keith Jarrett play? He's moaning and moving around lookin' all weird and freaky but he's a fantastic player. If you tried to stop him from doing that, he wouldn't be able to play. It may be cooler to just stand there but everyone has to do what they do. If you worry about how you look when you're playing and force yourself to maintain composure, you won't play well. Just let him play. Laugh at how goofy he looks if you want but let him play :).
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:31:28 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Alice in Chains Message-ID: <v01510102ac15d1d6dd24@[199.232.46.229]>
Aviad Shkolnikov Shkola@kids-mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
>Sean Kinney - Alice in Chains - A great Rock drummer. Kinda apart from >the rest, I you know what I mean. BTW, is anyone on this list into AIC? >What the hell IS the matter with them anyway?
Yeah man! I dig Alice in Chains. I don't know what's up with them though. Didn't Layne get arrested recently for heroin use or something? What the hell with that? I don't do any drugs except alcohol so I can't understand why someone would do it. Seems to just fuck up your life.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:31:32 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: LaBrie's voice Message-ID: <v01510103ac15d31e2a42@[199.232.46.229]>
tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) wrote about people not liking DT because of LaBrie's voice. That happened to me too. I had WDADU, had heard PMU on the radio but didn't have I&W. Then I got Awake. My immediate (and still) opinion was that the singer was classicaly trained (learned that it's so), had a real strong voice and sounded great. I thought, what a relief to hear a singer in a rock band who can sing. I played Awake for a friend - he actually went out and bought it, I talked so much about it - but he "didn't care for" LaBrie's voice. I've been making him listen to it more because we're writing together and DT is my main influence right now. He does appreciate it but he still doesn't like LaBrie's voice so much. Weird. I think he's great.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: 27 Jun 1995 09:36:09 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 869 Message-ID: <9506271452.AA23212@anthor.arastar.com>
*** Reply to note of 06/27/95 08:33 I wish I had more to back this up with, but having grown up in a jazz based muscial family and hanging out with musicians my whole life, I know that these guys believe Buddy Rich to be a phenomenal talent. However, he is not "the greatest drummer ever." I think that's how one poster worded it. I'll try and do some more homework here. I'd like to put some names up (Max Roach, for one) that have more chops and less hype. Like I said, I wish I had more to back this up with right now. LATER-
Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind." - Skid Row
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 09:12:34 -0400 From: david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ridiculously long .sigs Message-ID: <9506271312.AA11232@pharlap.ci.com>
Come on people. There is absolutely NO excuse for having a 27 line .sig! This is absurd. Ytsejam is long enough with too much childish crap in it as it is w/o this kind of nonsense. For the cluefully-challenged, read net.announce.newusers. Some people have to pay for their email by the byte. Show a little consideration for others.
David Kuznick - david@ci.com (preferred) or dkuznick@world.std.com Everybody knows we live in a world where they give bad names to beautiful things. Everybody knows we live in a world where we don't give beautiful things a second glance. Heaven only knows we live in a world where what we call beautiful is just something on sale. "Beautiful" - MARILLION
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Musical comments, DT noodling, Cygnus Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.950627124613.975A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Hello
More comments from me --------------------- I kinda think it would really cool if some of the jazzy jams that DT have been doing live end up as songs on a new album. I have recently gotten into a lot of Fusion (jazz/rock) and I would love to see DT record a couple of heavy fusion songs. In case anyone is wondering I am listening to Gongzilla, Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Jonas Hellborg, and Happy Family.
Cygnus ------ Definitely do this first. I can wait for the unplugged since I have heard a lot of unplugged music that really is weak, I hope DT is an exception. Sometimes metal songs don't translate well into unplugged.
Marillion albums to buy first ----------------------------- Get Misplaced Childhood or my personal favorite Clutching at Straws. But of these are much better than Fugazi, which is a really dark album that is not very accessable. Great to hear that Marillion will be on the east coast of the US in August! I'm goiing to try to be in Philly and DC for the shows. Echolyn is trying to latch on to the tour in case the DT opening gig isn't available in August.
Later,
Mike
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Myung's writing Message-ID: <199506271545.LAA07297@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I'm going to have to agree with the 'jammer who originally posted about John Myung's lyric writing. I also find it flaky and incoherent. Sure, some may find it "spiritual," but I really think he's just making a long story even longer. Think about what you want to say, and say it. Writing lyrics, or poetry, or fiction, or whatever is not about being purposely cryptic. It is about conveying an idea or emotion to an audience. If you write something so ambiguous that only a selected few people can understand it, then it is a failure. I'm not saying that I can't understand the songs, but it just means the people who aren't as adept at lyrical interpretation <through no fault of their own> are missing out. And to the guy who posted that JM had only written LtL, there's a little song on Awake called Lifting Shadows Off a Dream. :) LSOaD, in my opinion, is the only song on Awake that is guilty of being this ambiguous. Even SDV <for all its idiosyncracies> has good NORMAL lyrics.
Now, about Kevin Moore being the strongest lyricist in DT--I don't know about that. I used to think so, but he's gone and he's NOT coming back. I think Mike Portnoy writes great lyrics. True, John Petrucci is probably the driving force behind DT's lyrics now, but I don't think that's all bad. His lyrics on I&W were almost like John Myung's, but his Awake lyrics are great.
Of course, having said all this, I don't really pay much attention to the lyrics anyway. I think the music is more important. Good lyrics are just icing on the cake.
BTW, I'm going to see <and meet> Dokken tonight. Hey, come on: it was free.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite. | __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right." |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU |___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have Steve Zebrowski szebro1@gl.umbc.edu thought this was the worst..." Joe Jackson, Hometown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Instrumental, and EVH v. JP Message-ID: <199506271707.NAA18669@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
2 quick things bvefore IO have to get back to work...
First, InstrMental was not made w/ the bgand's conscent... It is a bootleg... And don't let Nightwatch prove otherwise... we all know how Mike feels about boots...
2nd, lets put an end to the damn EVH v. JP thread, especially whoever is saying that he is no good now, since DLR left. The damn discussion gets old enough over on the VH list, and we _CERTAINLY_ don't need it here!!! -- +----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | Dream Theater | | Its what decides if you'll endure the pain that we | Images & Words | | all feel. The way your heart beats makes all the +-----------------+ | difference. In LEARNING TO LIVE | Michael Burstin | +----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 869 Message-ID: <199506271814.OAA22854@grex.cyberspace.org>
I heard it through the grapevine:
> Didn't you know I&W is out?? Man - you're fallin' behind!! The first > single is out also! It's the first song from images and words and it is > called - Pull Me Under. BTW: I donno if I&W is out in america - > but there is the import version from japan that you can buy. I did.
Yeah, I got that one, too! I'm not too familiar with the album, yet, but you must check out this song "Metropolitan"(sp?). It rocks!!! It's got this cool instrumental part and some words, too.
Boy!!! I wish they would release this tune on a live disc, or better yet, two separate live discs with only a one song difference between the two so I have to spend more money to get the extra live song.
That would be cool...Huh huh huh.
-John
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:15:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan <cheval@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: drummers Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950627110702.546A-100000@elaine45.Stanford.EDU>
Hey Hey, Sorry to get misinterpreted! The point of my statement was NOT to say that Neil Peart is the best drummer in the world (like so many Rush fans think). The idea is that it's impossible to make such blanket statements, especially about drums. Drummers have such varying styles and forums that it just coherent arguments can't be made. Especially wothless is this "well, I bet He could play all of that guy's stuff." No kidding! There are several drummers out there who can probably play just about anything that has ever been recorded! Plus, don't forget that schools like Berklee put out scores of drummers with amazing technical ability who never make it in the big time. When you add the fact that most drummers aren't recording their most challenging stuff, you realize that there's no way to have an argument like "Who's the best drummer in the world?"
As for the guys who mentioned Will Calhoun, right on! I saw him give a clininc too. What a monster! He has more groove in one hair on his head than all the groove in my entire ancestry! I wish I knew what he was doing now.
That's all.
Nathan Meezan
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert C Devereux <nero+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Moore at Berkeley? Message-ID: <Ujw5du600iWQQ5Xl4C@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from internet.listserv.ytsejam: 27-Jun-95 Moore at Berkeley? by Marc Respass@sol.iii.net > > > >Well, he got into Berkeley somehow.
I have never seen any mention to Kevin going to Berklee. The ones I heard mentioned were John Petrucci, John Myung, Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian.
> > Do you mean Berklee (College of Music)? I don't wanna sound like another > Berklee drop-out putting down the school but Berklee does not have an > entrance audition. Getting into Berklee is no harder than any other school. > Decent grades/SAT scores and check that clears will do it for ya'. >
The info I recieved from Berklee College of Music said they did require an audition. In addition to playing ability, they also required knowledge of music theory. Berklee is an all music school and the idea that they would let anyone in who couldn't play well is absurd.
Rob Devereux | "...Without music, life would be an error." nero+@CMU.EDU | Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols- http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/rd3z/home.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:27:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry G Waterfield <mulgw1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Misc. Dt stuff and what I do. Message-ID: <199506271927.OAA19830@ecom4.ecn.bgu.edu>
Hey.
I just wanted to say how happy I was to finally get Subcon. (after the U.S. Postal Service rolled over it with a truck; the case was smashed, but the bottom of the CD remained unharmed. They even punched a hole clear through the back liner!). This was my first chance to hear ACoS. Right now, I must say it's my favorite DT song. The instrumental sections are blinding and I have even more respect for KJL. His voice sounded great! Very emotional, and he hit all the notes. Wow.
Another belated Sub. remark: I hope the foul-mouthed little twit in Dead or Alive isn't a girlfriend or wife of the band. Sheesh.
I also wanted to know where I could get lyrics for ACoS. Is there still a DT ftp site? Could one of you 'Jammers maybe mail it to me? Thanks a lot.
Now for a belated What-I-Do...
I just got my B.S. in Physics a few weeks ago. Another technical 'Jammer. I will attend the University of Illinois at Chicago this fall for electrical engineering. Right now, I've got a semi-temporary position at Argonne National laboratory doing physics stuff. Yeah, heh-heh. Cool stuff.
Are there any other Ytse people in the Chicago area? C'mon, there's 7 million people up here! Do any of you know whether DT is coming to the area this fall?
Gotta go. Writing on govt. time. :)
Toodles! Glenn
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L. Glenn Waterfield "Listen brain; I don't like you and you don't "Physics advisor like me, so let's just get this over with so to the stars" I can get back to killing you with beer." Argonne National Labs -- Homer J. Simpson LG-Waterfield@bgu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:36:10 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte) To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: tidbits and useless information.... Message-ID: <95062717360997@acl.nyit.edu>
>Does anyone know if the Oct 94 RPM Wharehouse show was recorded in its >entirity. What I'm looking for specifically is, the I Mother Earth >performance. Mike Portnoy ventured onto the stage for one of their last >songs of the evening to play percussion with the band and even did a >mini solo, trading licks with IME's drummer. Did he do this at any other >venues of the Awake '94 Fall Tour.
Yeah, he did this at the show at the Manhattan Center in New York. I forget the exact date of the show right now. I left the room while IME was playing and then I heard the crowd start screaming so I went in and there he was playing precussion with the band. They seemed to be haveing a great time while playing together.
Later
________________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu "Heaven must be more than this, when angels waken with a kiss, sacred hearts won't take the pain, but mine will never be the same." --Kevin Moore
"A twisted soul--the mortar Despair--the bricks To build a temple to sadness" J. O'Barr "The Crow" ________________________________________________________________________________
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