YTSEJAM Digest 865
Today's Topics:
1) Concept albums and other stuff
by TXNE29B@prodigy.com (MR JEFF S STERN)
2) European tour cancelled?
by Timo Haanp{{ UPR <thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi>
3) Things.
by Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il>
4) Saarbruken Questions
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@zewis1.desy.de>
5) Petrucci at NGSW!!
by U-E59578-Charles Hanley <charles.hanley@ae.ge.com>
6) Cygnus vs. Unplugged
by Rohit Modak <rmm30@columbia.edu>
7) IM and RotAM
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
8) European tour cancelled?
by siggih@ibm.net (Siegfried Hanisch)
9) Random...
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
10) Latah!
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
11) Lyrics for "O Holy Night"
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
12) YTSEJAM digest 863
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
13) Re: ??????????
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
14) Re: Another Pronounciation Thread
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) Cygnus vs. Unplugged
by Johnny@motown.ge.com
16) DT, more 'Jazz' than 'Classical'?
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 864
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
18) Re: ... and other stuff
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
19) DT Song Book Version 1.0 available soon
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
20) stuff
by Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
21) Re: JP vs. EVH
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
22) Re: Another Pronounciation Thread
by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
23) CRASH
by Potestatem@aol.com
24) Re: IM and RotAM
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:19:27 EDT
From: TXNE29B@prodigy.com (MR JEFF S STERN)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Concept albums and other stuff
Message-ID: <013.07892628.TXNE29B@prodigy.com>
Hi there,
To continue on the concept album thread, here are my favorite concept
albums in no particular order:
Queensryche - Operation:Mindcrime
Pink Floyd - The Wall, The Dark Side of the Moon
Jellyfish - Spilt Milk anyone into these guys? Fans of the
Beatles and Queen look no further
Slint - Spiderland real mellow and strange...nothing like it.
These guys were 17
The Who - Tommy
Now, to elaborate on that, my favorite epic songs in no particular
order:
Rush - "The Necromancer," "The Fountain of Lamneth." Anyone like
Caress of Steel as much as I do? Probably not. And of course,
"2112"
Echolyn - "Letters" Any word on re-releasing their first three
albums?
Dream Theater - "Duh"
I bought Marillion's "Fugazi" a long time ago. I didn't really like
it that much and sold it. I have been reading your posts about
"Misplaced Childhood" and also when I was in am electronic forum with
Mike Portnoy, he said it was a great album. But anyway, should I
give these guys a second chance and pick this disc up? I know there
are a lot of Marillion fans on this list, so I'd appreciate whether
you think this is a much different album than "Fugazi." Waddaya
think?
Also, does anyone have iny info on whether or not Echolyn will be re-
releasing their first three LP's? Or if they will be in Ohio on tour?
Sorry about no dt content and have a nice day...
--Jeff (that guy)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:15:56 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Timo Haanp{{ UPR <thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: European tour cancelled?
Message-ID: <199506231115.OAA18439@aton.abo.fi>
>Well, a few minutes ago spoke to the KuFa in Saarbruecken and they knew
>nothing about a cancellation of European dates. So far for your Finnish
>ticket office... Don't panic European jammers. It's not definite yet!
>
>Bye.
>
>Bernd.
Actually, I heard this on the radio yesterday, too. I can't
understand why DT's management would lie to the festival
organizers here in Finland. Everyone thought the booking
was definite. Their name was printed all over in ads and
fliers and everything. They cancelled their appearance at
the Nummirock festeival only 3 days before the actual
happening. Sounds very late to me. Maybe they think we're
not worth them or something. On I&W tour they forgot us,
too. They apologized this on the Awake tour, and PROMISED
TO COME HERE ON THEIR NEXT TOUR. Liars. Well, I wouldn't have
wanted to see ACoS live, anyway.. sigh.. :(
Actually, funny.. I used to be a very big fan, but it has
started to fade. I don't listen to DT so much anymore.
I've moved back to my old favorites, such as Yngwie
Malmsteen and Toto etc.. Awake is a depressing album,
and I liked I&W because it was so positive and not so
dark. And now they decide not to come to Finland.. Maybe
because we're such a small country? Maybe they wanted
more money? (I always thought Awake was a sad attempt at
trying to be commercial.) Do I sound bitter? Well, I am.
Timo
-- ** Timo Haanpaa * Turku, Finland **------------------------------
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 14:20 +0300 From: Aviad Hay <aviad@mail.snunit.k12.il> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Things. Message-ID: <m0sP6pA-0000mcC@vmbb.cts.com>
Hey everybody - a few short topics:
1) Flotsam and Jetsam are awsome. Their lead singer and J. Labrie are probably the best metal vocalists today - I mean this guy's voice chokes! for example: in the (briliant) song wadin' through the darkness the guy just steal the show from thrash master guitarists and (my oppinion) wonderfull new bass player. Really a great badnd: cuatro is their best BTW.
2) I&W versus Awake: Awake is better. There are a few dimensions to be considered when a band like dream theater is envolved. There is the techincal factor or a display of technical abilities which we all agree I&W is better on that subject, although I must say awake has it's moments on that subject: JP's neo-classical parts on erotomania and INNOCENCE FADED outro etc. Mike Portnoy's parts are stronger on awake - he controls the groove much better and it really shows he put a lot of thought and feel into his parts. John Myung (the king) is 78% on the album - a great disappointment for me - I expected him to show his talent more but instead he put his head (and instrument) down on awake while on IAW he displayed spactacular talent and gave 100% on the entire album - one of the things I like about the king is his amazing ability to always say in his music: "Friends! I'm not the ordinary bassist that sometimes you cannot hear". Pitty. Kevin moore returned to basics on awake - I liked him more on I&W where he (among the others) was one of the main reasons dream thater is not a regular band - it's a band which run away from stereotypes and tradition like a mouse from a cat... Awake is maybe the oppsite of that: DT is getting closer to regularities. Pitty. James however has shown hidden talents - he displays different vocal styles as well as keeping the awsome voice he is so greatly gifted of - James is great.
So why is awake still better the IAW?
Awake is the embodiment of the idea of a band. A band is togetherness - Being many but being one. Different Beings create a much larger and stronger being. Dream Theater plays and behaves (musically) like a band now. on every and each second on awake the music is whole - Dream Theater is a concept. On IAW: I go a lot of times: "Jesus! JP is blasting the sky like a god!" or: "This John Myung (the king), I can't believe the things he can do - wow. ". On awake however I never think like that: sometimes I hear the songs and forget it's a band - for all I know it could be an extremely talented and coordinatative OCTYPUS.
We can all be sure dream thater is going up and not down.
3) About the guitarists: Let me add some to the list:
Greg Howe ( a briliant brriliant (!!) guitar player - check him out). Michael Lee firkins - An awsome rocker (a bit progressive)_. UZEB's michel cusso - oh man - UZEB is great and michel is even greater.
VAI,Satriani,Melmstein,JP,Marty friedman are also included.
BTW: While you're at it - all of you bass player - what bassists do you like?
My faves are: John Patituci,Jaco,Alain Caron, Stanly Clark, Michael Manring, Joe Hubbard, Les Claypool, Geddy lee, John Myung (the king), Marcus Miller, Doug Wimbish, Robert Trujilio.
4) JP versus Van Halen: I totally agree with the guy who said that VH just revolutionized the guitar world. The ROBINSON/JABBAR comparison is my thought - Good point man! JP is a better player though - and offcourse a much talented and somewhat contrevertial song writer.
5) Favorite Dream Theater moments: Combined solos on TTT. Kevin's solo on Under a Glass Moon (Awsome). JP's solo on ANOTHER DAY. Learning To Live (the whole damn thing). CIAW chorus. All John Myung's (the king) parts. And also - WDADU,IAW,AWAKE.
Oh I almost forgot - PMU's ending in LIVE AT THE MARQUEE.
6) It wasn't that long.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:39:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@zewis1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Saarbruken Questions Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950623143133.21559A-100000@zewis1>
Hi All,
Well since I have been hearing all these rave reviews of the solo DT shows in Germany I think a friend of mine and myself might try to make one of these shows. Since we are in Hamburg it seems that most of the shows close to us are over all ready. And since a lot of Jammers seem to be going to the Saarbruken show I thought that maybe we might be able to make the journey to Saarbruken from Hamburg. On this topic I had a few questions:
First since we don't have a car we will probably need to take a train. Does Saarbruken have a train station? And I don't suppose anyone has any idea what a round trip ticket from Hamburg and back might cost?
Second how does one go about getting tickets to the show? Is there some place that I can call where I can order tickets or should I just take the chance of getting them at the door? Is there something like Ticketmaster here in Germany? How much _are_ the tickets to the show by the way? And how many people does this venue hold? Oh...is the venue anywhere near the train station? And what might be the easiest way to get from one to the other?
Third might anyone in Saarbruken be able to put up two Jammers for the night? I don't think that we would be able to catch a train that late at night when the show ends and I don't like the idea of sleeping on a park bench.
So if anyone down by Saarbruken can help me out with these details I think that I would owe you a beer *grin* at least. Please e-mail me back directly so as we don't clutter up the list anymore than it is. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.......
Jason
+-------Jason T. Breitweg--------------Internet: breitweg@amzeus.desy.de------+ | The world is full of kings and queens | | that blind your eyes and steal your dreams... | +---------------------------It's Heaven and Hell!-----------------------------+
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 8:43:18 EDT From: U-E59578-Charles Hanley <charles.hanley@ae.ge.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Petrucci at NGSW!! Message-ID: <199506231243.IAA27976@thomas.ge.com>
I received a surprise in the mail yesterday. I have enrolled in the National Guitar Summer Workshop (NGSW) for their Bass Summit, featuring Dave LaRue (Steve Morse Band & Dixie Dregs) and Steve Bailey, during the first week of August. When I opened the confirmation letter, lo and behold, they announced that John Petrucci will be conducting a workshop there on August 1! YYEESS! Given that New Milford CT is fairly close to Long Island, it makes sense. I guess I have to skip bass class that day! Maybe some of you Ytseguitarjammers may try and register for the last few slots.
Bass-ically,
Chuxter
BTW, I don't think DT would do a cover of Iron Maiden's 14+ minute long "Rime of the Ancient Mariner." They would have to add at least 9 minutes of jamming to make it long enough! :-)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:17:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rohit Modak <rmm30@columbia.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Cygnus vs. Unplugged Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950623091203.24359A-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
The question was raised as to whether Unplugged should be made first. As the saying goes, "HELLS NO, BITCH!!!" :) Unplugged sounds great, but compared to a Hemispheres show, with Cygnus Book 1 and 2 back to back? That's all there is to it. Come on, Mike. Stick to Cygnus. Although I haven't ordered it yet, I will damn soon.
Oh..and to continue a few threads, Mindcrime is the greatest album of all time and Images and Words is better than Awake.
__________________________________________________________________________ Rohit Modak rmm30@columbia.edu
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam ) Subject: IM and RotAM Message-ID: <199506221935.PAA00521@grex.cyberspace.org>
To the one who suggested that DT cover Rime of the Ancient Mariner:
I say, "No". Yes, it's a great song but it's too simple for DT. Sure it's almost 13 mins. long, but it might bore them. Now, I am a HUGE Iron Maiden fan and have been since '83 and again I would suggest that they cover either "Infinite Dreams" or "The Prophecy" off of the Seventh Son album. If you haven't heard these songs, go do it.
Here's another guitarist to add to the list of greats: Al DiMeola
This guy is great. Everything he does blows me away.
Yeah, what is the deal with "ytse jam inc." in the credits of "Serial Mom"?
-John
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 15:34:36 CDT From: siggih@ibm.net (Siegfried Hanisch) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: European tour cancelled? Message-ID: <199506231414.AA137174@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
>> Dream Theater have cancelled all their European dates!! I heard >> this from a Finnish ticket office, so I guess it is rather >> reliable. >Well, a few minutes ago spoke to the KuFa in Saarbruecken and they knew >nothing about a cancellation of European dates. So far for your Finnish >ticket office... Don't panic European jammers. It's not definite yet!
I have phoned Rockhouse in Salzburg where DT will play on July 1st, and they said the show was not cancelled up to now. There is still hope!! Greetings # They shoot without shame Siegfried Hanisch # In the name of a piece of dirt =====================================# For a change of accent siggih@ibm.net # Or the colour of your shirt ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # Better the pride that resides =====================================# In a citizen of the world PGP public key available # Than the pride that divides Team OS/2 # When a colourful rag is unfurled RUSH
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Random... Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950623101522.23908B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Re: DOGMAN -
Friend of mine said he heard/read Jerry Gaskil being quoted as saying that the material on the different colored DOGMAN CD's is exactly the same. Basically, they did it to see if people would buy a few extra copies since they've tried everything else...
Re: I&W Kick -
First of all, it's not a kick drum you're hearing. It's a sampled kick drum. The kick & snare on that CD were replaced by triggered drums.
A crappy sounding live kick is better than a great sounding sampled kick any day, in my book. And Mike's kick was really well recorded on AWAKE.
And, since none of MY speakers reproduce 30hz (my old car stereo got down to about 35hz) and I don't have an oscilloscope, I didn't notice the problem...however, bear in mind that with frequencies that low, you're gonna feel that more than you hear it. Ya know those people who have kick boxes in their cars, and play music that has that kick drum that is nothing more than a gated 40hz tone? (and there's also one that's a gated 30 hz tone, if I'm not mistaken). Ever notice how windows rattle when they drive by? =)
Besides, feeling nice 30hz overtones is a beautiful thing, man. =)
-Hairball
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Latah! Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950623102416.23908D-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Just sending a note to tell you all I've unsubscribed from the Jam for a bit. Don't worry - I'll be back in a while, though, it might be under a different account.
So you know, I also have an account on aol. If I reappear, it'll be from this address:
You can still write me privately here. (Hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu)
Take it easy! -Hairball
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:32:10 PST From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Lyrics for "O Holy Night" Message-ID: <9505238039.AA803922023@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
I am just about through in putting together the first version of the DT Song Book, but I need some help deciphering some of the lines from "O Holy Night". Listed below is what I have so far, send any corrections to me at mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com. Also does anybody know who wrote the lyrics for the Majesty demos and other older material (i.e., O Holy Night, Don't Look Past Me, etc.) That too would be much appreciated. Thanks... "O Holy Night"
O holy night The stars are brightly shining It tis the night Of our dear savior's birth
Long way the world In sin and never ??? To be a ??? And the sword felt it's wound
A prayer of hope A weary world rejoices For yonder praise A new and glorious morn
Fall on your knees Appear the ??? Oh night divides Oh night, when Christ was born
Truly he taught Us to love one another Cause though in love And his gospel is beliefs
Chains shall we break For the slave is our brother And in His name Oh, ???
Do we ??? of joy And greatly call us lazy Let all forgive us And grace His holy name
Fall on your knees Appear the ??? Oh night divides Oh night, when Christ was born Oh night divides Oh night, when Christ was born Oh night, when Christ was born When Christ was born
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Date: 23 Jun 1995 09:59:09 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 863 Message-ID: <199506231459.AA09944@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 06/22/95 20:02 MIKE BAHR!!!! Please re-post your Subcon info if there are still some left. I lost the address and I'm sure there are others who'll want to see it again! Thanks, man!
Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind." - Skid Row
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:03:05 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: ?????????? Message-ID: <9506231503.AA00534@tengs1.teng>
> > I don't mean to sound rude, but doesn't anyone just listen to DT's albums? I > too, like many of you out there, am a musician of sorts and have played with > bands. But when I listen to DT I step back and listen to the song as a > whole. Many of you seem to pick each and every song apart. When you break > down a song, any song, no matter how good it is, it losses all of its > significance as a work of art. DT didn't write these songs with the intent > that each part would stand out by itself as a work of art. They instead > wrote the parts knowing that the sum would be greater than the whole. Many > of you guys are destroying the meaning of DT's work. Maybe you guys should > try and listen, really listen, and not analyze. > > Phil
Then what the hell would we have to talk about? Be thankful we're not as cerebral as some Rush fans.
Zach
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:15:03 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Another Pronounciation Thread Message-ID: <9506231515.AA00586@tengs1.teng>
> > So, we've discussed the pronounciation of "Ytsejam" several times, but > exactly how does one pronounce the name "Myung"?
"Muh-young" (said in one syllabal, fast)?
I have an Israeli friend named "Tzippy" Most people mispronounce it "Zippy" when a closer pronounciation would be "Sippy". Actually, the "T" is barely hinted at (like tse-tse), but most people are too lazy to pronounce it that way. "Myung" seems like more of a tounge-twister, or maybye not.
> ------- > > On another note (totally tangential, mind you! <g>), has anyone here picked > up Pink Floyd's "Pulse"? That little blinking light fascinates me to no end. > <g> (Although I really love the little book, too...) It's like this little > beacon to my CD tower now - makes it easy to locate my DT CDs in the dark! :D > > Jen
Is the battery replaceable? !>)>
Zach
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:20:53 -0400 From: Johnny@motown.ge.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Cygnus vs. Unplugged Message-ID: <199506231520.LAA19103@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
I vote for the Unplugged CD first and Cygnus second!!!!!
How about calling it *SubconciousII: An Acoustical Night*???
Johnny email:jmastin@motown.ge.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:31:52 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT, more 'Jazz' than 'Classical'? Message-ID: <v01510103ac109740b8f2@[199.232.46.229]>
>Someone mentioned that DT was more 'Jazz' than 'Classical' This may be >because (or so I was told by a PhD in music and music theory) Berklee is >oriented toward jazz performance. This is interesting, as jazz, at least >in live performance tends to feature improvisation. Earlier, some >Y'jammers were complaining(?) that DT's music was almost too tight, that >the improv solos were too 'pre-planned, structured'. This would seem to >make DT music (in theory) more 'classical' in structure. Just a thought. > >--no sig, just me Randall L. Braun
It is true that Berklee is oriented toward jazz even though the majority of students are rock. When I was there all the performance stuff was jazz. Rock guys were writing chord solos to play at their tests. Anyway, I think they're a combination just because I think rock is closer to classical than jazz. From jazz, DT may have a better understanding of more and varied chord structures and harmonies. From classical, other influences such as the composed sound of their songs. I remember Vai saying that he always learns his solos so he can play them live because that's what people want to hear. When he'd go to a concert, he wanted to hear the solo from the album. I played in a rock band and we improvised a lot. People criticized us because we were too diverse. I've since decided to play much more structured and definite (at least in my bass lines) although I still tend to improvise some stuff. However, even the improvised stuff has set guides. A sort of skeleton but I'll change some notes. That would be my strong Geddy Lee influence I think. Hope I didn't get too off the subject.
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:31:57 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 864 Message-ID: <v01510104ac10996c3ba1@[199.232.46.229]>
>I have THE Perfect Description fer DT!!!!! Mix Yanni and Pantera...there >ya go...Nuff' Said!!!! :)
DO NOT mix Yanni with anyone! :). I know this is a joke though - it is a joke? yanni. oye ve. :)
---------------- Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:27:10 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: ... and other stuff Message-ID: <9506231527.AA00644@tengs1.teng>
> I bought Marillion's "Fugazi" a long time ago. I didn't really like > it that much and sold it. I have been reading your posts about > "Misplaced Childhood" and also when I was in am electronic forum with > Mike Portnoy, he said it was a great album. But anyway, should I > give these guys a second chance and pick this disc up? I know there > are a lot of Marillion fans on this list, so I'd appreciate whether > you think this is a much different album than "Fugazi." Waddaya > think?
I did the same, and had the same reaction although I did like it at first. Is this one of their weaker albums?
Zach
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:38:13 PST From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT Song Book Version 1.0 available soon Message-ID: <9505238039.AA803922565@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
I should be wrapping up the first version of the DT Song Book within the next couple of days. This will contain all of DT's lyrics both album cuts and unreleased (as far as I know). What I need to know are some appropriate FTP sites to send it to and what format will be good for everybody (currently it is a 70K straight ASCII text, when zipped it is about 20K). I will put it on my service provider's FTP server and should soon have a Web page where you can get it as well. As soon as I finalize the locations, I will post them here, and they will be added to the FAQ as well. Any questions, comments, etc. write me at mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation | | Office (email only): mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com | | Home: mkizer@indirect.com <Tucson, Arizona> | | "It's harder to sit, when everyone else is standing, | | To shake your head as the world just nods away." | | - "as the world", echolyn | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu> To: Dream Theater <Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950623085623.1289A-100000@mercury>
For that guy who says we shouldn't analyze things, I am shocked!! What purpose does this board have? As near as I can tell it is for sharing DT tour Dates, swapping bootlegs, and wasting bandwidth analyzing things. The purpose (I find, and I think most others will too) of analyzing stuff is to understand and to impress more, the art. What would Shakespear be without analysis. Sure, Bach is nice to listen to, but he truly becomes a treasure when you know what it is he's doing and where he's going. By analyzing the songs, you get more out of it. The same rings true for books, poetry, films, paintings, photographs, theater, essays, journalism, set design, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad absurum, ad nauseum. . . If you don't want to lose your introductory understanding and your first impressions of the pieces, then I suggest that you sign off this mailing list. Scratch that, I suggest you stop listening to the albums, and just hear them live and remember them. You might accidentally catch some depth in the pieces, or a small critique of their style if you keep listening to them. Sorry, just flaming, no offence intended.
I enjoyed the article, and stuff like that, when not redundant, is definitely good usage of the bandwidth. It does sound like Charlie has a something of an ego, the way he was bragging and all that. . .
-Jun-Dai Bates
"Are there spots in a leopard's eyes, also?" Yume no gekijoo -The Crow "The rain fell, like blankets of night." bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu -The Jester
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: JP vs. EVH Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9506231351.A29813-0100000@bgnet2.bgsu.edu>
> Eddie's sounds like he's been in a slump for about > 10 years. Some of those solos, if that was me, I'd have stopped half-way > through, rewound the tape and done another take. Not that he sucks, > we know the talent is in there somewhere. > > Mike Stoner
Whatever. If Eddie's in a slump, then why are his albums always selling well? Why is he always featured in guitar magazines via interviews, transcriptions, articles, and readers' polls? Why does his tour consistently sell out shows across the country, uh, world? I'm not saying sales, media coverage, and popularity is a proof of success; I'm saying that Edward Van Halen and co. are doing something pretty damn well.
As far as EVH not influencing, JP, come on. EVH influenced some of JP's influences, so JP would be indirectly influenced. I'm sure JP would admit that Eddie had some impact on the guitar.
Finally, for those of you who think JP is "the Complete Guitarist," you are entitled to your opinion, but ignorance is not bliss. Anytime I see comparisons with JP to other players, it's always Satch, Vai, EVH, etc. I never see non-prog-rock/hard rock/metal players. I would assume that DT fans are more open-minded about music than others, and I all see are the same 5 names showing up again. I've never heard JP play classical guitar, jazz, funk, country, bluegrass, flamenco, reggae, etc. How can someone be a "Complete guitar player" if they only concentrate on one genre? IMO, "best" (insert instrument here) titles are crap. Who am I to say that Django Reinhardt was better than Charlie Christian who was better than Wes Montgomery? Forget it. I'd rather listen to music than bitch about who's better than who all the time.
Music is a holistic art form. Stop whining about who can play 20-finger tapping and practice your respective instrument. Remember, there will always be someone who is better than you. Even better than JP.
Buh-bye,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Another Pronounciation Thread Message-ID: <m0sPCxF-0002zhC@donews.cts.com>
Myung = "My - ung", two distinct syllables, as heard many of different times.......
Al Balkiewicz vocals, Half Naked
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 14:30:26 -0400 From: Potestatem@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: CRASH Message-ID: <950623143025_76868171@aol.com>
Hey jammers! A couple of days ago, AOL somehow managed to erase my mail file while I was retrieving my current mail. I was wondering if the owner of this list could please resend me the welcome letter, as I do not have the important addresses for this list anymore. (I still have this address because it was in a seperate file) Thanks, ----potestatem@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: IM and RotAM Message-ID: <199506231854.LAA15652@malibu.sfu.ca>
> Here's another guitarist to add to the list of greats: Al DiMeola > > This guy is great. Everything he does blows me away.
i know! i'll be seeing him live with Stanley Clarke, and Ponty (sp?) on tuesday, as part of the Jazz Festival that's being held here... can't wait...the next night is Allan Holdsworth...too bad i can't get tickets for that! ;(
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