YTSEJAM Digest 857
Today's Topics:
1) Corrections:
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
2) DT's New EP
by "Jonathan M. Lipnick" <hamster@Glue.umd.edu>
3) "Anti-Christian" DT
by J R McCullough <jrmccull@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
4) Re: fuck context in ACOS
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
5) Fave DT moment
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MS JAIME K KIMPTON)
6)
by
7) stuff...
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
8) Re: Corrections:
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
9) Lots of stuff to cover
by Deebor@aol.com
10) Mindcrime the best? No way
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
11) German Radio and Tours..
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@zewis1.desy.de>
12) Maiden Jam!
by euan@waikato.ac.nz
13) Expletives, obscenities and profanity
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
14) Re: fuck context in ACOS
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
15) DT MID-WEST CON!!!
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
16) Awake vs I&A
by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
17) Zebra
by mpatrick@holli.com (Mike Patrick)
18) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 856
by HuntNKill@aol.com
19) I&W vs AWAKE
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
20) singles for sale
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 854
by giskard@ix.netcom.com (Steve Balderrama)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Corrections:
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950618113724.1019B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
1) WFS was written after LTL. (Mike told me Kev wanted to write a piano
prelude, so, that's why the two pieces sound familiar...and there's other
parts from LTL in WFS...but we all knew that)
2) "Best" Concept Album. O:M is ONE OF the best concept albums...perhaps
the best "Metal" concept album...but, it's not considered "The Best"
concept album of all time. That honor usually goes to PF's "The Wall." But...
3) Could someone inform me where any band member has called "Awake" a
concept album? Just curious as to whether or not I've missed something,
or it's simply a case of people thinking too much...
4) I&W v. AWAKE (again): I hate the drums on I&W. The more I listen to
that (after hearing Awake), the more they bother me...and a lot of
other production stuff really bugs the crap out of me. It just sounds
so processed! Sure, maybe all of you like nice, overproduced material,
especially after WDADU, but, after hearing what a REAL production team
can do with DT, I&W just pales in comparison. Barron/Purdell are
great. It actually sounds like a band - not like a bunch of sequencers.
And as for the writing on Awake: If they'd put out another I&W, I would've
tossed all my DT stuff. Probably the reason I like Awake more than I&W
is simply because it's NOT like I&W. Yeah, I&W has it's moments, but,
Awake's just a better album, writing-wise as well. Why? Lemme tell yas a
story...
I'm one of these Kansas fans who thinks Monolith is a great album. Most
of the people on their listserv think I'm out of my mind..."That album
sucks, blah-blah..."<shrug> It's got some great material on it - and it's
DIFFERENT - there was no hit single from that album. It was the band
being itself/themselves. It showed in the writing. It was a nice transition
album between the '70's - '80's Kansas, and probably the most accurate
portrayal of the band, save everything pre-Leftoverture/Point. Of course
that's not bad material - just popular.
Basically, what I'm driving at here is this - I&W sold FAR more
copies than Awake...at least in this country. (I dunno about Europe. They
seem to have their shit together - maybe DT ought to go the Zappa route,
and tell the American audiences to "Sit Down, Shut Up, and Listen.") Why?
Because it wasn't another "PMU" album. Some of the best material around
is stuff that DIDN'T SELL WELL to the masses, Especially if you're
looking for Material that's off the beaten path. Proof? KING'S X- Anything.
Galactic Cowboys. And select Kansas albums.
As a matter of fact, the next album I buy is going to be Toto's
"Isolation." It didn't sell for squat, yeilded one minor hit, "Stranger
in Town," which I liked a lot, and features a different vocalist (I think
this was the beginning of the phase where Bobby Kimball had left the
group, and they had like a different vocalist every other album...don't
quote me though.) Why? Because, for me, the shit that everyone else buys
is simply that.
I won't apologize for the length of this.
-Hairball
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:16:16 -0400
From: "Jonathan M. Lipnick" <hamster@Glue.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT's New EP
Message-ID: <199506181616.MAA01142@coke.eng.umd.edu>
Can anyone please provide me and us all with a release date of this new release?
-Ian
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:07:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: J R McCullough <jrmccull@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
To: YTSEJAM Newsletter <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: "Anti-Christian" DT
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9506181255.A20949-c100000@acme>
My thoughts on the comment that ACOS is "anti-christian..."
First, a little background so you understand where I'm coming from. I went
to Sunday school as a kid, whent to church regularly, blah, blah, blah...,
so I consider myself to have some deep-rooted religious beliefs.
Problem though...I'm surrounded by fundamentalists! My brother, his wife,
my in-laws, and two or three people at work are almost totally fanatical
about this stuff, and feel it is their province in life to "convert" me to
their closed-minded world view. It really hit home when my brother
returned from a creation "science" convention and told me that all we
learned in school was wrong.
In a sense, then, I feel a deep affinity with the lyrics in ACOS, Voices,
and A Slient Man. Like myself, I believe DT sees the horrible inhumanities
committed in the name of christiandom (pick one.. Crusades, Inquisition,
etc.) and only sees hypocrisy. Faced with the dual meaning and disgusting,
self-righteous nature of most fanatical fundamentalists, they seek
spirituality within themselves. Again pick one:
"Don't expect your own Messiah, This neverworld which you desire is only
in your mind"
"When there is reason, tonight I'm Awake. Where there's no answer, Arrive
the Silent Man"
Plus, the quoted lyrics from ACOS.
So, whereas I wouldn't call myself "anti-christian" for not following the
fundamentalist dogma, I wouldn't call DT anti-christian either. They're
just a group of intelligent, relatively spiritual guys who are struggling
with the hypocrisy of fundamentalist Christiandom. Where on one hand the
fundamentalists say "love thy neighbor" and on the other they persecute
anyone who is different - whether its because of race, religion, or sexual
preference.
Comments, flames, suggestions, ideas?
******************* J.R. McCullough **********************
* Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time...*
* -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time" *
**********************************************************
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:50:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: fuck context in ACOS
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950618124808.23900B-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Brian V. Cox wrote:
>
> for all of you wondering about the "fuck" in the new ACOS, here is
> the context of it. (by ear, so dont hold me to this) :)
>
>
> i'm sick of all you hypocrites
> for holding me at bay
> and i don't need your mass you fuck
> to get me through the day
>
At the Malibu show, LaBrie sang a different line.
i'm sick of all you hypocrites
for holding me at bay
and i don't need your sympathy
to get me through the day
maybe they toned it down because some of their parents may have been at
the show :)
Andy
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:22:44 EDT
From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MS JAIME K KIMPTON)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fave DT moment
Message-ID: <013.07712558.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
Mine was, beyond a doubt, hanging out with the band after the 7/15/93 show
at the Downtown Festival Tent in Rochester, NY, and Kevin saying to me,
"But I can't smile - this is a serious business!". We got him in a good
mood that night, he was hammin' it up bigtime! That and the guitar buildup
right before the last chorus and instrumental passage in "Take The Time"
are by far my favorite moments...
"a naked witness cannot lie..."
Jaime the Dragon Flying To Heaven <or whatever the Chinese version is>
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I've been gone about 10 days in New Mexico chapping my lips (180 degrees
but its a dry heat) I have come to announce that I believe the inclusion
of questionable language in ACOS will sell DT one less album. Yep, I'm
not buying it. And no, not everyone uses bad language, I don't. Seeing
the context in which it is used, it could have been easily avoided. It's
done just to do it. Fairly unintelligent, about on par with drunkenness.
Besides, the version on subconscious is all right with me. I also vote DT
unplugged.
Anyway, I still like DT music, I'm staying here too, so fire
away...sticks and stone may break my bones but flames won't hurt me..
M.A. VanOpstall
mavanop@grfn.org
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: stuff...
Message-ID: <9506181955.AA15808@junix.ju.edu>
I have three things to say in this post:
1) Someone mentioned DT opening for a large band such as Van Halen.
This would be cool to let more people hear them (personally I
don't know how anyone could hear music like this being played live
and not become orgasmiclly blown away!). But I have a hard time
seeing this come true. For one reason if DT opened for VH, VH
would be blown off the stage! Eddie is a GREAT guitarist, but
JP blows him away. DT would almost make VH suck! As a matter of
fact I can't can't think of any large (large meaning having an
extremely large following nation wide such as VH, Arosmith, Metallica
ect) band DT wouldn't blow off the stage. Thats a pretty cooll thought!
2) Someone in Ytsejam 852 said something about Awake being a better
album than I&W and that he thought most Ytsejammers felt I&W's
was better. I am one of those. I love Awake, but I feel they
sort of got away from what I&W's was about. "Erotimania" and "Scarred"
both some pretty intricate and techniqully advanced material on them
but nothing like "Metropolis" which is one of my favorite song. One
thing I feel changed a little on Awake was the the band as an ensamble
(spelling?). As I mentioned before, "Scarred" had some really cool
stuff on it (Metropolis-ly speaking) and doesn't really apply to this
next comment, but many of the other songs, when they got Metropolis-y,
seemed to lack that feeling of a unified structure working together
as a whole to create this type of advanced music. "Erotimania"
is a prime example of this. It seems as more of solo song than
a song that would be on I&W. And don't go crazy now thinking
that I feel everything that DT does must be like I&W's but it's
just the stuff that first made me such a huge fan of them and
also happens to be my favorite stuff (Metropolis, Learning to Live,
Ytsejam, Take the Time, Scarred ect.). I just love it when John P or
Kevin Moore can play a solo with out me thinking of it as one. It
just seems as part of the song versus a solo ANY other band would do.
3) I think we should decide as a group a way to define DT. Since
there are no other bands that can really compare to them, when people
ask what they are like, what should we say? I feel a good description
of them which we all agreed on would help us turn on more people to
DT and in turn help out them. I would be happy to keep track of
all your ideas and post them in a small bunch which we could then
vote on. Tell me your opinion on this issue.
Trey Allen
tallen@junix.ju.edu
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Corrections:
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950618154157.27384A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Sun, 18 Jun 1995, Hairball wrote:
>
> 2) "Best" Concept Album. O:M is ONE OF the best concept albums...perhaps
> the best "Metal" concept album...but, it's not considered "The Best"
> concept album of all time. That honor usually goes to PF's "The Wall." But...
I prefer "The Final Cut", and there are lots of great concept albums.
"Misplaced Childhood" by Marillion is my favorite album. "Quadrophenia"
is another great one.
If you're into concept albums, the new Saga CD is "Generation 13" and is
said to be a departure from their recent pop stuff.
>
> 3) Could someone inform me where any band member has called "Awake" a
> concept album? Just curious as to whether or not I've missed something,
> or it's simply a case of people thinking too much...
Probably not a concept album in the true sense, but there are many ties
that bind it all together.
>
> 4) I&W v. AWAKE (again): I hate the drums on I&W. The more I listen to
> that (after hearing Awake), the more they bother me...and a lot of
> other production stuff really bugs the crap out of me. It just sounds
> so processed! Sure, maybe all of you like nice, overproduced material,
> especially after WDADU, but, after hearing what a REAL production team
> can do with DT, I&W just pales in comparison.
I like the songs better on I&W and since I'm not a production hound, the
production on I&W doesn't bother me as much as it could. Since hearing
the complaints about the triggered snare, I am MUCH more aware of it when
I listen nowadays. It is rather annoying. Thanks guys :)
> Barron/Purdell are
> great. It actually sounds like a band - not like a bunch of sequencers.
Only the drums sound sequenced (i know they're not). Very few keyboard
parts on I&W strike me as having a sequenced feel. I always liked Kevin
because his playing is very technical while still having personality.
Some keyboard parts on AWAKE have a sequenced feel. IMHO, I think more so
than I&W.
> And as for the writing on Awake: If they'd put out another I&W, I would've
> tossed all my DT stuff. Probably the reason I like Awake more than I&W
> is simply because it's NOT like I&W.
Same reason why I don't like AWAKE as much as I&W :)
Yeah, I&W has it's moments, but,
> Awake's just a better album, writing-wise as well. Why? Lemme tell yas a
> story...
>
>
> Basically, what I'm driving at here is this - I&W sold FAR more
> copies than Awake...at least in this country. (I dunno about Europe. They
> seem to have their shit together - maybe DT ought to go the Zappa route,
> and tell the American audiences to "Sit Down, Shut Up, and Listen.") Why?
Damn- are you saying that I&W isn't a "Sit Down, Shut Up, and Listen" album?
> Because it wasn't another "PMU" album.
While PMU is a great radio song or headbanging song. isn't the same true
for "Caught In A Web"?
> Some of the best material around
> is stuff that DIDN'T SELL WELL to the masses,
Some of the best material around is also stuff that DID SELL WELL to the
masses. The aforementioned "The Wall" album is a good example.
> Especially if you're
> looking for Material that's off the beaten path. Proof? KING'S X- Anything.
> Galactic Cowboys. And select Kansas albums.
Monolith aside, some Kansas albums didn't sell well because they were
inferior to most Kansas. And my favorite King's X "Faith Hope And Love"
is probably their best seller.
>
> As a matter of fact, the next album I buy is going to be Toto's
> "Isolation." It didn't sell for squat, yeilded one minor hit, "Stranger
> in Town," which I liked a lot, and features a different vocalist (I think
> this was the beginning of the phase where Bobby Kimball had left the
> group, and they had like a different vocalist every other album...don't
> quote me though.) Why? Because, for me, the shit that everyone else buys
> is simply that.
Very elitist. While there are lots of gems that don't crack the top 100,
there are also some that do. Not as much as there used to be, though.
>
> I won't apologize for the length of this.
And I won't apologize for not editing it better.
Andy
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:35:35 -0400
From: Deebor@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Lots of stuff to cover
Message-ID: <950618163532_73321126@aol.com>
Yeah, I've been lurking for quite a while, too.
"Now I've got bases to cover!"-okay.......
First, about I&W vs. Awake, I'm gonna have to say
I like I&W a little bit better. It has a more "classical"
feel to it, and the keyboard work is noticably better
(There isn't anything that really stands out on Awake
if you take away that awesome keyboard solo during
6:00, correct me if I'm wrong). Also I&W seems to be more "progressive".(More
time changes, more complex
melodies, etc.) And it also has my favorite DT
song(not the best, because "all the DT songs are
best", just the one I prefer to listen to the most)-
Take The Time.
At first I didn't think anyone shared my opinion of 6:00
being a great song(No one really talked about it) but I
agree. It's my fave(the one I prefer) off Awake.
About the best DT moment, it's got to be, like I said
before, the outro of Innocence Faded. There. That's it.
I don't have to say anything else about it.
Ytsejammers in the west? Right here. San Jose, CA.
Here's to DT moving somewhere close to us! heh heh.
Ytsejammers in high school? Right here. 17. Soon to
be senior. There don't seem to be many high school
students in this area that listen to DT. Kinda sucks
sometimes. (I couldn't find anyone to drive me to their
last concert, so I missed it.)
What do ytsejammers do? Well, I'm
obviously a student. I study. I'm very studious. I'm also
a keyboardist. Destined for rock stardom in a
progressive band. j/k. I wish.
Oh yeah, to that guy who can play the middle part to
Learning to Live, same here! I've figured out the part of
Wait For Sleep up to the part where James sings "He
shuts the doors and light...". It's not *that* hard. I just
bought the I&W tab book so I'll learn the rest later
(if it has the keyboard part) So far I've learned to play
two "solos" from the book: the one in PMU right
before James sings "Watch the sparrow falling..."
and the dual guitar/keyboard melody in TTT right after
the PMU riff. (I think I learned the guitar part) This one
is really hard to play!!! Right now I'm trying to learn
the guitar solo in Surrounded(the one after James sings
"Let the light surround you!!". It's impossible. I don't
think it's possible for a keyboard to play guitar notes
that fast. If anyone can play this, I'm impressed.
And yes, it goes for me too. If anyone has any keyboard transcriptions
e-mail me too. e-mail me too.
If anyone's still reading,(sorry for the length) how does one download DT
interactive from AOL? I can't seem to find it.
Crimson Glory- yeah I listen to this band. Transcendence is awesome,
especially the solo in Eternal World. I don't really care for Strange but
Beautiful, though. Does anyone know any other albums of theirs worth
getting?
Echolyn- The reason I like this band is because they have a different sound.
Some melodies may clash, but it still sounds cool. They obviously aren't
conformists as stated in the lyrics of their second song. And they could
write melodically if they wanted to, just listen to their the last song on
the album.
Okay, okay I'll stop.
Deebor
This might be a little late, but I vote Unplugged.
bye.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:57:04 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mindcrime the best? No way
Message-ID: <199506182057.NAA14585@bud.indirect.com>
I'm afraid Mindcrime isn't the best conceptual album of all time, not by
a long shot. Pink Floyd beats it twice with The Wall (the overall best)
and Dark Side of the Moon, and who can forget Rush's 2112 and Hemispheres.
But yes, Mindcrime was awesome, and yes, Awake was a good attempt. AMBI
is great, it's just not as tight an album overall.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:57:52 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <breitweg@zewis1.desy.de>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: German Radio and Tours..
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950618225023.20634B-100000@zewis2>
Hi All,
Well it looks we are going to get shafted by the German radio station
that was supposed to be playing some Dream Theater. I have listened to
the thing all day and I have heard nothing (unless they only played one
song and I missed it). But boy am I sick on hearing Joe Cocker and Rod
Stewart songs. That is all that they have been playing the whole day. I
guess that I am glad that I didn't shell out the 62 DM to go the show and
only see DT for 1.5 hours.
Enough of my ranting about that. Does anyone know if on the DT
headlining German dates they are going to have special t-shirts? Since I
can't make it to any of the shows I was hoping that maybe some thoughtful
jammer might be able to get me one and I could reimburse you. If anyone
can help me please drop me some mail.
Now for some non-DT content. On June 25 here in Hamburg there is going
to be a great concert. Three bands...Rage, Iced Earth, and Discredit. I
have heard some Rage and they kick ass. Has anyone heard Iced Earth?
What do they sound like? If anyone out there is going to this and wants
to get together before the show drop me a line. A German friend of mine
and I will be there for sure.
Also everyone go buy Blind Guardian stuff! They really rock! But of
course I like them because they write some Dungeons and Dragons type
songs (which I have always been partial to). They sound a bit like out
Fates to give you a reference point.
Jason
+-------Jason T. Breitweg--------------Internet: breitweg@amzeus.desy.de------+
| The world is full of kings and queens |
| that blind your eyes and steal your dreams... |
+---------------------------It's Heaven and Hell!-----------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:24:10 +1200
From: euan@waikato.ac.nz
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Maiden Jam!
Message-ID: <v01510104ac0a4961ccc2@[130.217.176.34]>
>What do you think the chances of Dream Theater playing a Iron Maiden
>song on tour? I would love just to hear ONE! thats all I ask. Would
>anyone agree with me? I know they like to jam the maiden...but let's
>hear it!
Good idea! What about a poll do pick a song they should play?
My vote is for 'The Clairvoyant' or 'Phantom of the Opera'
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:49:27 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Expletives, obscenities and profanity
Message-ID: <v01520c01ac09e8a4ba9f@[204.161.33.79]>
Expletives, obscenities and profanity: To many people these terms are
synonymous. I, personally do not care for the public use of them
(Ephesians 4:29). But I would guess that 99.9% of all people use some sort
of private expletives when they get P.O.'ed at something; some terms are
considered more mild or intense than others, often reflecting the state of
the person at the moment. Obscenities might describe the more intense
terms used by some. They also lose their value when abused and over used.
Profanities real refer to using the name of God in vain (blasphemy) (see
the TEN COMMANDENTS: Exodus 20:7, Deut. 5:11) Expletives are words that we
use to express certain types of feelings that have no proper, less vulgar,
forms of expression; they_do_have_their proper place. The use of the 'F'
word in ACOS may be entirely appropriate; I don't know, since I would need
to see it in context (we are all waiting for the studio version). Even
those of us with a Christian background and belief have been known to use
the 'F' word and related terms when appropriate; just look/listen to Gary
Cherone /Extreme on 'Cynical (F___)' from their 'Punchline' CD (Its not on
the cover, just the lyrics page). He's using the word to make a point.
Another issue: Is YTSEJAM just supposed to be about DT only or is it a
forum for Y'Jammers? As other have wriitten earlier (and in my IHMO), it's
mainly about DT, buts also about Y'Jammers and why they are Y'Jammers. For
example, what music do J'Yammers (and DT) listen to when they they're not
listening to DT. This info has introduced me to some other excellent bands
that don't get very much, if any, radio airplay. Their is a lot of good
Progmetal out there beyond the waste(d)land of pop crap. Also a lot of
interesting stuff about music, per se.
Also I would like some (guitarits'?) opinions on the following guitarists:
more recent: Gary Hoey, Mark Bonilla, Paul Gilbert
legends: Richie Blackmore, Carlos Santana, Ronnie Montrose, Robin Trower
also, an interesting typo from d851: '...but people have to open mined
(sic) and play along with things...' Open mining people--what a concept:
open mining the mental environment, and what of the Dregs?
And as to what I do: I'm an under-employed computer hack (Mac, MS-DOS and
Windows (Windows 95 looks like a blotted Mac desktop; will probably require
its own harddrive, its sooo big), IHMO)), and with a MS in Pharmacology
(drug research, NOT THE SAME AS PHARMACY).
--Randall L. Braun
'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an
attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an
immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is
mangled and torn!'
-- Anne Morrow Lindbergh
And how come you don't understand me? And how come I don't understand you?
Thirty years say we're in this together So open your eyes.
People in prayer for me everyone there for me
Sometimes I feel I should face this alone My soul exposed.....
Give up on misery Turn your back on dissent
Leave their distrust behind Wash your hands of regret
--Dream Theater, Scarred, (see Gospel of John, esp. Ch 13-21)
When I was younger, I thought I knew where I stood; now that I'm growing
older, I find the ground keeps moving --Youthquakes & Hardaches
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: fuck context in ACOS
Message-ID: <199506182319.QAA17130@malibu.sfu.ca>
> > for all of you wondering about the "fuck" in the new ACOS, here is
> > the context of it. (by ear, so dont hold me to this) :)
> >
> > and i don't need your mass you fuck
> > to get me through the day
VS.
> and i don't need your sympathy
> to get me through the day
personally, i like the first version...it's a lot more powerful and angry.
tim a.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 95 19:00:42 EST
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT MID-WEST CON!!!
Message-ID: <9506181900.D4659pB@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Greetings to all you Ytsejamers!
I believe we should set up a DREAM THEATER Convention out here in
the mid-west! I live in Overland Park Kansas. Hell...how much more
MID-WEST can you get? (grin). ANYONE interested in such a thing? Of
course...it would be more realistic to set it around the tour dates in
the area. IF YOU ARE interested. Write me e-mail:
market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
and tell me what area/town you live in. It would probably be around NOV
10th or 11th. I believe they are scheduled to be in St. Louis/Kansas
City at this time. Let's hope and pray!
see ya!
Todd
market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:36:07 -0500
From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Awake vs I&A
Message-ID: <199506190136.UAA10306@wpg-01.escape.ca>
Hi everyone. I've been reading for a couple of weeks now, and I find it
refreshing to see that there are a ton of music fans out there with
excellent taste.
Being a huge Yes/Rush/Genesis fan, it's nice to have a band like DT around,
using my favorite bands as influences, thus making them one of my favorite
bands today.
Although I think I am in the minority, I do like Awake a tad better than I &
A. I find the production and overall sound superior on Awake. I loved the
way they progressed their style with more of an edge. J.P.'s sound,
technique, solos, and diversity are much better. The solos on Voices and
Lie blow me away. M.P. blows me away! I never thought anyone could be as
good or better than Neil Peart, but............
How come no one ever mentions Erotomania? I think it's the best song on the
album. J.P.'s best guitar work ever! I love the way they throw in Rush,
Yes, even a little Gentle Giant. I think I have to go listen to again right
now, for the millionth time.
Any DT fans from Canada out there? Love to hear from you. Also wondering if
anyone can help me out to find WDADU? I've never heard it! It's been
deleted up here! Any fellow jammers out there want to help a guy out?
Cheers,
Ian
Ian Mowatt
imowatt@escape.ca
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:39:41 -0400
From: mpatrick@holli.com (Mike Patrick)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Zebra
Message-ID: <m0sNWK2-000A6gC@walnut.holli.com>
>P.S. I noticed inside Images and Words some of the "thanks to"..and
>noticed...a thank you to Zebra crue. Is this refering the band Zebra.
>If so...I love this group. Are they still around?
There has been talk of Zebra on this list for the last 2 years on and off.
I think their live album is the last thing they did (don't have it) and
Randy Jackson released a solo album, I think call 'China Rain', but I never
did see the thing. It must have had VERY limited distribution.
Can anyone add any info? Bueller?
Mike Patrick
mpatrick@holli.com
Still searching for that elusive corner of the Net where civility is all the
rage and the content is substantive. Ah, screw it. Who am I kidding?
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:56:55 -0400
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 856
Message-ID: <950618225654_73517559@aol.com>
Dear jammers,
My favorite DT moment has to be at the Manhattan Center on Oct. 28th 1994.
The lights dim, there was some muttering (does anyone kmow what the
recording said?). Then. . . . . .
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
Pull Me Under starts, no one is on stage. Then Mike Portnoy comes out and
starts beating his drum sticks together to the beat and to the clapping of
the audience. Suddenly, the Johns and Derek come out and start playing the
beginning chords and the crowd continues to push me harder into the rail.
John Petrucci is three feet away from me when the lights began to flash to
the beat, and I only see John's black shadow flashing in front of me. When
the flashing ended, James appears out of nowhere and began to sing ,"Lost in
the sky..." and everyone around me sings with him.
Well, that was my moment. I wish it could happen all over again, with Dream
Theater opening with Pull Me Under and the flashes again. That was
soooooooooo cool!!!
Yours,
Jeff =)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:50:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I&W vs AWAKE
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950618233955.4402C-100000@emcity>
I just wanted to say that to me, one of the advantages that I&W has over
AWAKE is DEFINED, COMPLETELY blazing, DUET guitar/keyboard solos like the
ones in TTT and Metropolis (oh, by the way, a moment of silence in honor
of the man of steel's quick recovery!). Just, my $.02 However, I must
denounce this sort of comparison/competition between DT albums. They're
ALL great. If all the members of DT each cut a loud fart in tune, I'd still
consider it a masterpiece of music! They fucking rule!
you move me, you move me...
John Nguyen
ps - Queensryche kicked ass; Type-O sucked!
pss - I'm a computer science major (sophomore)
ppss - my vote's in for a KC ytse-con! I'm from Wichita!
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: singles for sale
Message-ID: <199506190504.BAA01011@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I have a couple extra Silent Man and Lie singles for sale (both imports
with cool bonus trackes like To Live Forever, Eve, Take the Time(demo)).
They are $16 each including shipping in the US.
Please mail me for more info.
Thanks!
-- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:49:11 -0700 From: giskard@ix.netcom.com (Steve Balderrama) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 854 Message-ID: <199506190649.XAA28286@ix2.ix.netcom.com>
A few thoughts from previous posts:
>> What do you do....
I am a software engineer, looking to go back to a school for a PHD in computer science or physics or a combo of the two. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that techies seem to get into DT.
>> I&W verses Awake
This one is tough. It took me a bit longer to get into Awake (even though I like hard music), but now it is by far one of my Fav albums. I think I liked James singing better in I&W... the "rock star" voice he sometimes uses on Awake bugs me a bit. 6:00 is a great song. And the more I listen to it, the more I think that "Lie" is one of the best "heavy" songs ever written. As a "hacker" musician (guitar), All DT albums blow me away. These guys are just so *tight*.
>> Fav DT moments:
Hard one to call. The vocal part of Lie just before the "grunge" part "you can tell your stepfather I said so" always gets me, I dunno why. Lie is a great song. It keeps you off balance. The intro to the solo section right after the "grunge" section just seems so "dream theatreish" to me.
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