YTSEJAM Digest 728
Today's Topics:
1) Re: alone
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
2)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 726
by mjmoore@uccs.edu
4) Re: "best" drummer; mixing & production; Awake cover
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 721
by George Voronoff <george@cpsg.com.au>
6) Re: In Defense of One "Goth"
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
7) DT Poll
by pjhollow@microcity.com
8) Re: "Ytse"???
by Oscar van Eijk <Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl>
9) Re: The live mix...
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) RE: Dream Band
by Oscar van Eijk <Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl>
11) "Hi!" from Mike to all Ytse Jammers
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
12) Sorry, Nyquist again
by "Twan Korthorst" <m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl>
13) Again Nyquist
by "Twan Korthorst" <m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl>
14) Cairo (non-DT related)
by "Wessel Marquering" <W.A.Marquering@kub.nl>
15) Re: Dream Band
by Tilman Kuendgen <tiku@rz.uni-sb.de>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 726
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
17) Meeting DT & all
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 726
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 726
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
20) DT touring with Van Halen?
by "Michael O. Bartz" <BARTZ@opus.oca.udayton.edu>
21) lucky Europeans... and tapes of their shows???
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
22) Dream Bands ...
by hmarq@interaccess.com (Hank Marquardt)
23) Bass on I&W
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
24) Re: Kevin Demos
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
25) It's SOLID
by q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
26) YTSE CONVENTION UPDATE
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 22:27:30 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: alone
Message-ID: <9503020627.AA22656@tengs1.teng>
>
> Yeah, I hear ya about those space limitations... I would actually
> be happy to host a Ytsejam-con in Phoenix (Chandler) Arizona, but since
> it's so far from EVERYTHING... ah well. Damn shame, too. I have the whole
> house available to me for it, and a huge TV set and awesome stereo system
> (with FOUR, count'em FOUR hi-fi VCRs and two dual-cassette decks).. all
> the stereo equipment is in different rooms but I could put together an
> "electronics wall" for Jammers to do their trading and listening on. But
> how many people here could feasibly come all the way out to Arizona for
> what would essentially be a weekend-long party? I would have good beer
> available too.. :)
>
> Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
Damn! Maybye I'll go to Arizona instead of Idaho for my
summer vacation. I think I could scrape up a few cool
jammers-in-spirit to come along for the ride. Too bad its
so fucking hot in Southern AZ during the summertime. Oh
shit! Thanks for the DOL CD Mike, I like it. Sorry about
being so brain dead that I forgot to thank you 'till now.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 22:19:39 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <9503020619.AA22645@tengs1.teng>
> From: JohnMyung@octa.com (John Myung)
>
> OK, (taking off the John Myung mask) I think I might get flogged
> for the impersonation but I wanted to show you that all of our flames
> to SloppyJoe69 and all of our frustrations probably have been for naught.
> You are all right, it is only one person's viewpoint. But this person
> wasn't bold enough to come out and own up to it. Anonymity has it's benefits
> you can speak your mind and not get flogged for it. But in my book, if you
> can't stand by your words, your words aren't worth crap.
>
> Yes, there is no oal.com and there is no SloppyJoe69. Some of us who
> emailed his address and got the bounced message already know this. Ken
> is who tipped me off about the forgery in Digest 710. I did a little
> poking around and this is what I came up with.
Didn't someone on the list fess up to this little crime? Maybye
it got lost in all the hoopla. Or maybye I'm just imagining this...
Z.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 00:27:52 MST
From: mjmoore@uccs.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 726
Message-ID: <0098CBBC.EBC3ED50.39@uccs.edu>
Any YtseJammers out there in Colorado? If so, have you heard Psyco Drama?
If anybody can come close to Labrie's vocals, it's Corey! And Herc Castro
is one helluva a guitar player.
-Mike
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 02:39:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: "best" drummer; mixing & production; Awake cover
Message-ID: <IjJLMSy00iV_EGxKlq@andrew.cmu.edu>
This isn't intended to be a flame, just some information...
I usually don't care all that much about spelling, but after
seeing it spelled "Zonders" several times, and now seeing
his first name typed as "Matt," I just think it's about time
everyone knew that the drummer from Fates Warning's name is
Mark Zonder
And he's my favorite drummer. If you want to know why, listen
to Point of View (from Parallels) and Monument (from Inside Out.)
I also really like Fates' old drummer, Steve Zimmerman, and
his work on No Exit is, in my opinion, some of the best produced
drumwork out there. The snares just hit *so* hard...
-max
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Anton Max | I know I was looking for something
Keyboards, Aepithex | Thought it was you, but I guess it was me
MadMax+@CMU.EDU | -Kevin Moore
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:19:53 +1000 (EDT)
From: George Voronoff <george@cpsg.com.au>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 721
Message-ID: <199503020519.QAA27627@bohra.cpsg.com.au>
> From: Evan Thomson <930377@edna.cc.swin.edu.au>
>
> 3. I'm all for a YJ convention, but I can't make it to the US, so I think
> It should be held in Australia...
>
Yup, me too.
G.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:59:58 -0800
From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: In Defense of One "Goth"
Message-ID: <v01510101ab7b27642a52@DialupEudora>
Matt <M.J.Thomas-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk> stated:
[Comments on musical eclecticism, while interesting, deleted for brevity]
> Every group has their 'sad' element, but every group has their
> stars as well.
Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap."
The trick is in discovering that worthwhile 10%, because the crap-90 seems
to have the vast majority of the marketing bucks.
pg
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Paul Goracke | "Reality is that which when
pgor@netcom.com | you stop believing in it,
| it doesn't go away." - P.K.Dick
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:30:10 EST
From: pjhollow@microcity.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Poll
Message-ID: <9502282330.D8440Zb@microcty.uu.holonet.net>
Just to let all those interested know:
The DT Song Poll is done, and all the results have been compiled and
arranged into text files to be uploaded to the list but...
I'm having problems sending them to the list. I have access to 3
different accounts (on different servers even), and none of them (yet)
will allow me to properly ship this stuff off.
I'll try to fix this problem and mail this stuff ASAP.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:20:44 WET
From: Oscar van Eijk <Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: "Ytse"???
Message-ID: <0098CC0F.BE4FDB60.2@hopper.uniface.nl>
> >Going by what James says, it's "yit-say jam".
>
>
>Actually- If you go by what James says, it's "YIITTTSSEEEE
>JAAAAAAAAMMMMM"
I still prefer "It's a jam"
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Abandon Hope Oscar van Eijk
All Ye O s c a r VMS Systems Administrator
Who Enter Here oscar@uniface.nl Compuware / Uniface Technology
Amsterdam ZO, the Netherlands
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:01:36 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: The live mix...
Message-ID: <199503020901.BAA07321@netcom14.netcom.com>
You know, the funny thing about live mixing is half the sound engineers
don't realize they're deaf already...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ REAL: drkhoe@netcom.com + VIRTUAL: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 10:02:06 WET From: Oscar van Eijk <Eijk.Oscar.van@uniface.nl> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: RE: Dream Band Message-ID: <0098CC0D.23A9EE40.5@hopper.uniface.nl>
My f0,02 (Dutch two cents; about $0.012)
Vocals - James LaBrie Guitars - Henk v.d. Laars ( from "Elegy", you don't know him, but you should ) Guitars & Keyboards - Tony McAlpine Drums - Mike Portnoy Bass - me ( No smiley ? No, it's supposed to be a *dream* band, right ?! )
--------- Abandon Hope Oscar van Eijk All Ye O s c a r VMS Systems Administrator Who Enter Here oscar@uniface.nl Compuware / Uniface Technology Amsterdam ZO, the Netherlands
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:56:14 +0100 From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: "Hi!" from Mike to all Ytse Jammers Message-ID: <199503020956.KAA15288@p103.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
Hi!
Apparently, the other mail I sent last week got lost (shouldn't have sent it from my home account), so here's the story again (and updated). :-)
Last Friday, I met Mike at the Queensryche show in Hamburg (great stuff), whom I spotted standing at the soundboard booth, as someone else (hi, Olf!) has already told you guys. I immediately asked him for an autograph, and he signed my jeans jacket and drew an awesome DT logo (thanks, Mike!). I was so surprised to see him that I didn't ask any questions (besides "Where's James?", who was supposed to be there, too). I made up for that three days later at an in-store event in Bremen, on the day of their gig here. I talked to him for a little while -- he was again clown of the crew, all the others looked rather bored/serious/exhausted :-) -- and he told me to say "Hi!" to all you guys here on Ytse Jam! Well, I've done it now, fulfilled my duty. :-)
I was at the DT shows in Bremen on Monday and in Hamburg last night and it was just fabulous (big surprise :->)! They covered Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers", that fudgin' rocked!
Bye, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood | | Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding | | University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" | | Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:12:56 +1 From: "Twan Korthorst" <m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl> To: drkhoe@netcom.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Sorry, Nyquist again Message-ID: <199503021025.AA24802@student.utwente.nl>
He Dr. Mosh,
I have to strongly disagree with you about the Nuquist frequency. I'm studieing Electrical Engineering and I've learned the Nyquist frequency is twice the bandwith of the signal you want to sample. For instance for audio with a bandwith of (20kHz-20Hz)=20kHz you need a minimum sample rate of 40kHz. In the CD system they have chosen 44,1 kHz because of problems with filtering. As I wrote at the Ytsejam mailing list in Pasc (and Atrac also) Philips (and Sony) uses masking effects to reduce the amount of bits needed to encode the music. Masking has nothing to do with the Nyquist frequency, and Nyquist has nothing to do with the SPL of the music to be heard by a human being.
Twan
---------------------------------------------------------- I'm caught in the Web. ---------------------------------------------------------- Twan Korthorst Lonnekerbrugstraat 89 7547 AJ Enschede The Netherlands e-mail m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl m.t.korthorst@el.utwente.nl
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:23:33 +1 From: "Twan Korthorst" <m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl> To: drkhoe@netcom.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Again Nyquist Message-ID: <199503021025.AA24808@student.utwente.nl>
He Dr. Mosh,
I have to strongly disagree with you about the Nuquist frequency. I'm studieing Electrical Engineering and I've learned the Nyquist frequency is twice the bandwith of the signal you want to sample. For instance for audio with a bandwith of (20kHz-20Hz)=20kHz you need a minimum sample rate of 40kHz. In the CD system they have chosen 44,1 kHz because of problems with filtering. As I wrote at the Ytsejam mailing list in Pasc (and Atrac also) Philips (and Sony) uses masking effects to reduce the amount of bits needed to encode the music. Masking has nothing to do with the Nyquist frequency, and Nyquist has nothing to do with the SPL of the music to be heard by a human being.
Twan
---------------------------------------------------------- I'm caught in the Web. ---------------------------------------------------------- Twan Korthorst Lonnekerbrugstraat 89 7547 AJ Enschede The Netherlands e-mail m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl m.t.korthorst@el.utwente.nl Twan
---------------------------------------------------------- I'm caught in the Web. ---------------------------------------------------------- Twan Korthorst Lonnekerbrugstraat 89 7547 AJ Enschede The Netherlands e-mail m.t.korthorst@student.utwente.nl m.t.korthorst@el.utwente.nl
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Date: 2 Mar 95 13:22:42 MET From: "Wessel Marquering" <W.A.Marquering@kub.nl> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Cairo (non-DT related) Message-ID: <19D44DA79DD@htd_3.kub.nl>
I'm quite surprised that nobody has discussed Cairo's new (first) CD before. The album is out for 4 weeks now or so. It's a great album in the veign of Kansas, Shadow Gallery, Magallon, Yes, Saga, IQ and King Crimson. Some solo's remind me of DT however. The album has 6 (long) songs on it. The best one (IMO) is 'Silent Winter'; it has some great parts. The last song, which lasts for over 20 mins., does remind me of King Krimson and DT. Somebody else on this list has this album? (BTW: it's on the Magna Carta label) Cairo has contact with their fans on internet. Anyone got their address? Cheers,
Wessel Marquering w.a.marquering@kub.nl
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:21:43 +0100 (MET) From: Tilman Kuendgen <tiku@rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dream Band Message-ID: <199503021321.OAA22595@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de>
> My Dream Band Consists of: > > Lead Vox - Geoff Tate > Backing Vox - James Labrie > Lead Guitar - John Petrucci (Go Fig.) > Rythm Guitar - Adrian Smith > Bass Guitar - Les Claypool (Or Steve Harris if Les Declined) Yes, Les Claypool is COOL! As we are discussing about bassist and bass sounds I wonder if there weren't any PRIMUS fans on the list, especially amongst the bassists as I am. Les Claypool, their bassist and vocalist, has, IMHO, developed a totally weird, unique technique of slapping, popping and tapping his fretless(!!) 6-string Carl Thompson Bass and so created his very individual sound, but I wonder if his"dominating" style would fit in the above line-up... Btw, he's a RUSH fan, too, I guess: Ever heard the beginning of "Yyz" played live as an intro to "John the fisherman" ?
Bye, Tilman.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 726 Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950302082801.14739A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> From: jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.) > Subject: Re: HAIRBALL's lectures
> hairball, > great posts. one question tho: when's the exam? ;) > .............................................................................
HMM! Not a bad idea! =)
Actually, to be honest, I did recieve a few requests for my back mail posts...and, up on searching through my computer files, found a few other text files & ramblings that I had previously written.
What I really need is a site to u/l the text files to (provided they'll go with the ''s and "'s, not 7's & U's...ugh, i hate that!), so anyone who wants to can d/l 'em.
Anyone?
> Has anyone figured out what movie the preacher in the > middle sample of Voices was taken from?
Actually, to be honest, it sounds like Mike. Believe it or not, I'm almost inclined to put money on it (if i had any!). I've spoken to him on the phone and in person, and, I seriously think it's him...then again, if I'm wrong, I'm the first to admit it. =)
Speaking of that, I've spoken to a few engineering friends about Doc's assessment of what "Nyquist" is, and mine, and, so you all know, the Nyquist Frequency is not the SPL required for people to hear sound (or whatever he came up with).
Of course, talking to engineers (pros, mind you) can be a mistake, because they can start talking about the short-comings of all this stuff...
Anyway, I'm not flaming, just trying to inform. =)
Take it easy, all... That annoying guy who keep babbling about shit most people don't care about, Hairball
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Meeting DT & all Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950302084529.14739C-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Well, as I've probably posted a few dozen times, I've met most of the guys in DT. Guess who was never around? (kevin...) Though, I did do an interview with him via the phone, I have to say Mike was much cooler, from an interviewing standpoint...it turned into a 45 minute conversation. =)
Anyway, Mike's always happy to talk to fans. Pursuant to the post from the guy from Norway (UFF DA!* I forgot his name!), Mike will sit & chat, even when people are yelling & screaming for him to move his ass. =)
The only person I've seen get him to move was his girlfriend (I think that's what he said, I was TOTALLY F.U.B.A.R. last time I saw him. Due to this, I forgot to turn on the flash on my camera before I gave it to the dude who took our picture. <sigh> Anyway...) =)
I remember one incident with this guy Dave (who was from Florida, and going to the Univ. of PA (Penn), which is right where I live in Philly). Mike, me, and Dave were standing around shooting the shit, like we had before, and Dave suggests we play the drum part coming out of the "piano" break in LtL. So, all three of us break into it (of course I fell out, 'cause I'm not a drummer!) on the bar counter. The mob that had surrounded John P. looked over, shrugged, and went back to what they were doing.
Other contact stories: Oddly enough, I never really had a serious discussion with John P., considering it's my main instrument. Was more of a roundhouse discussion of guitarists about stuff. I eventually split & went to talk to Mike.
I talked to James. He was cool, for the most part. My then roommate kinda pissed him off, because he said something that was pretty common knowledge for most DT fans ("Did you sing on the 1st record too?") I saved James the trouble of explaining it to him. =) Anyway, this was the 2nd time I saw DT, and this is where the convo between me & James about David Prater took place.
John Myung. Man of Mystery. He was friendly, but, I could tell he wasn't talkative. A funnier story came from the drummer in my old band. Eric (the drummer) went outside of the venue for a smoke. He saw John standing around, and went up to him.
Eric: "Hey, you're John Myung!" John: "No I'm not." Eric: "Yes you are..." John: "...well, yeah, I am, but, be quiet."
=)
Well, there ya go.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 726 Message-ID: <01HNNLMMGLLK000C7Y@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. This is in response to the guys in the mid-west about a convention - I want you to know that all is welcome. I realize that the cost is holding a lot of people back. I should have some prices today from the Uniondale Marriott. Also, I see where someone from the mid-west was mentioning their home for a party, save me a room I will need a place to go and hide after all of this is done. I might have to run away to Canada and visit my mother's family to get my sanity back. Talk to you all later.
-BABS
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:27:46 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 726 Message-ID: <01HNNLW4C8GE000C7Y@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello again, it's BABS. I want to voice my opinion on all the controversy regarding drummers (i.e. Portnoy vs. Peart, Dave Grohl sucks, etc.). I'm only 4'11" tall, but hear me roar - "KNOCK IT OFF". Just think how silent our world would be without any of them? I am a devote DT fan, but I also love all music (yes, even techno). I don't want to hear any more bashing especially of Nirvana, they too are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars, and have their right to be here too, like you and me. I'm done preaching now. I think that this convention thing is stressing me. Talk to you all later. -BABS
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:05:06 EST From: "Michael O. Bartz" <BARTZ@opus.oca.udayton.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT touring with Van Halen? Message-ID: <6B6A20E4878@opus.oca.udayton.edu>
Someone told me that Dream Theater was going to be opening for Van Halen on their upcoming tour. Is that true? I've also heard that Collective Soul would be opening.
Any info would be appreciated.
l8r, Mike
-- Michael O. Bartz Network Specialist at the University of Dayton Michael.Bartz@udayton.edu http://www.udayton.edu/bartz.html
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: lucky Europeans... and tapes of their shows??? Message-ID: <199503021431.JAA28499@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well... from reading all of the reviews of the European shows, it seems like DT are really playing around with their set lists, and doing some really cool stuff... So... (you all know what comes next :) does ANYONE have tapes of some of the shows that they went to... I am really looking for some of these incredible shows... I have ALOT of shows to offer in trade... (probably one of the biggest collection around...)
-- +----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+ | And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael | | And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin | | And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+ | And I'll never be open again | Pgh Penguins: 14-1-4 | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:02:56 -0600 From: hmarq@interaccess.com (Hank Marquardt) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dream Bands ... Message-ID: <199503021507.JAA22588@home.interaccess.com>
Dream band considerations:
Choose 1 (or more :) ) from each catagory ... some of these combinations may be obtuse or even comical, however, I included some players that I haven't seen mentioned (either that means, I have my head in me arse or I maybe just approached the issue differently): Please don't flame me for my spelling, I'm doing this from memory, hence, mea culpa if I've offended anyone.
Guitar:
JP (after all this is the Ytsejam list) Eric Johnson Frank Gambale Brett Garsed Alex Skolnick Tony MacAlpine Greg Howe Michael Schenker Harry Cody
Bass:
JM Steve Harris Stu Hamm Billy Sheehan Andy West Dave LaRue
Keys:
Kevin Moore Tony MacAlpine (ok, he solos like a guitarist; but it is MY list) :) Paul Raymond (ok, he doesn't solo at all, I just like old UFO) Steve Walsh
Drums:
MP Niel Peart Rod Morgenstren (stien?) Ex: Winger, Dregs Atma Anur Dean Costronovo Chad Wackerman Dave Weckle Mark Zonder
Vocals:
Geoff Tate J LaB Bruce Dickenson
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:14:33 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Bass on I&W Message-ID: <14339130A27@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>I think the thread about the (in)audible bass on I&W is interesting. >keyboard-arrangements there isn't much room for the bass. And I >actually prefer the bass when it's hard to hear, not like that >four-string-lead-guitar on WDADU :-)
>/Mats
Ooops, sent it before even editing... Anyway, Driving to school this morning, I totally pumped the low EQ in my car, (normally I don't do this, I have shitty Jensen speakers, but a nice stereo) and I was listening for the bass in Another Day. I really couldn't hear it as much as I could feel it, and everyone was right. But, when I started listening to 6:00, the bass totally jumped out at me. There are sooo many nifty parts where John M. goes off and solos that you can't really hear it's pathetic. I think the reason for this, is if you listen to Erotomania, All of the low end is sort of drowned out, but you can hear his high end extremely well. He saves all of his tone for soloing, and lead fills. (i.e. the intro to Voices) Solos, such as the one in The Ytse Jam (I think this is the one) would not be as audible if he had the low end as audible as the high end. Everytime he drop to a lower string, you would notice the difference way too much. It would pound a lot more and really throw your attention off. I notice this playing my bass. Too much low EQ really screws up everything. ChucK
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:20:57 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Kevin Demos Message-ID: <14354905F81@UCS.ISU.EDU>
> From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu> > > >Also, What is Kevin (I assume it's him) saying in the backgrounds of > >his songs? I can hear bit and pieces, but most of it sounds like just > >mumbling! > > >-Toaster (toaster@netaxs.com)
>Are you *sure*? These samples sound like the ones from the studio >version of Space-Dye Vest. Jen said (at the Hollywood show) that >the samples on the demo (which Toaster was asking about) were >different. Are they the same? (I haven't received my copy of the >Kev demo yet :( )
I took these off of the studio album. I can almost talk along with all of the samples on the tape. Driving through town I find myself chanting "6:00 on a Christmas morning" over and over again... The only one I've yet to figure out is "He doesn't love you, he only wants you as something to look at like a picture or an ivory box..." I think it's been posted before... My only prob is that I don't know where hardly any of them come from...
My Kevin Moore demos hopefully will be here soon (thanx Jen!!!)
ChucK
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:00:53 +0100 From: q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: It's SOLID Message-ID: <m0rkDDB-0000J5C@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi, jammers
The guy that said that the end of PullMeUnder was "Ooh that this too to SULLIED flesh would melt" made me start to think. This morning I looked it up in my dictionary ( I'm not familiar with the word). It ( SULLY ) ment something like : getting not worthy, black, unvirgin,, or something
Hey this makes sense, I thought The line is said after Hamlet and his mother and stepfather all are dying due to poison. Their souls were SULLIED , I thought
But today I talked to our library-man. He looked it up in his book and find the answer: It is solid, and that's solid.
That somehow concludes that subject I belive, and here is another: Fav band: Moore keys Portnoy drums LaBrie singing Petrucci guitar Myung bass This is a band that I KNOW is good, I doubt you can put a lot of wonderful player, each in their band, and think that the "dream-band" would be as good. It's a matter of how well you fit together. But this is the "Swedish" way of thinking of things. Often in sport we don't have the best players, but still we do win many matches, just because we fit together. You Americans do have another way of looking at things , I believe.
SoLong dudes.
Henrik Gustafsson q94hg@thn.htu.se Dream Theater Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson S-461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D +46 (0)520-155 98 070-814 24 38 Fish
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 11:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSE CONVENTION UPDATE Message-ID: <01HNNPBVBTDE0006DS@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. Here is an update on the convention:
I spoke with the Uniondale Marriott in Long Island. I have tentatively reserved a block of 25 rooms. The room rate is $99. for single or double occupancy. They have put aside a banquet room for a dinner, the dinner is priced at $25 per person. Now before you all have whiplash from these prices let me further explain that we would get use of the pools, jacuzzi's, work out facilities, saunas, etc. I checked with the coordinator's and asked if their was a dress code, and further explained who we are and that a lot of people would be the t-shirt/dress shirt and jeans type and they did not have a problem with it. I also assured them that we would be on our best behavior :) Now again, I wish to stress that this is not written in ink or my blood - so if you all are not in agreement of this price we can somehow try to pursue other areas (please be merciful). Also, we can add more rooms if necessary. I just thought that it would be wise to start out small. I am currently still trying to get a hold of DT's management as we well as get a hold of John Petrucci. All right everyone, I am done with the update. I am ready for your input, and to discuss the price. SAVE YOUR PENNIES EVERYONE! -BABS
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