YTSEJAM Digest 739
Today's Topics:
1) long song stuff
by Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
2) Re: non - dt....Kansas
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
3) DM?
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
4) The alt to alt...
by rhenley@gac.edu (Richard K Henley)
5) Kevin Moore Demos??
by "John R. Kotzian" <jrkotzia@mtu.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 737x
by "John R. Kotzian" <jrkotzia@mtu.edu>
7) Is there any other DT albums I don't know?
by Pekka Juhani Salminen <pejusa@tukki.jyu.fi>
8)
by "Eric Atkinson" <EEA@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>
9) F/X question...sorta
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
10) Guitar question
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
11) MLoL/Chuxter
by cnotes@cloud9.net (Mike Corso)
12) Re: Magellan
by <schew@tis.com>
13) Re: First MTV song...
by schew@tis.com
14) Nightmare Bands - The Final Chapter
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com>
15) Who is DM ?
by BOB HOLDER <BH7314@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>
16) Dream Band
by Keast Michael J <4mjk@qlink.queensu.ca>
17) CD set feedback
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
18)
by
19) Mike at Queensryche gig in Hamburg!
by Matthias_Murra@hb2.maus.de (Matthias Murra)
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 738
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
21) First MTV video was...
by Mike Kinstrey <kinstrmi@dso008.sch.ge.com>
22) Re: long song stuff
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
23) NEW DT BOOTLEG DOUBLE CD SET!!!
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 737 (various)
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
25) Re: Imagine this!
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
26) DT boot discog...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:10:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: long song stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.950307100842.14280A-100000@freenet.grfn.org>
Yo, YtseJammers!
Here's a big ol' dissertation on DT lyrical content etc. Hope you like it
and respond.
First, I'd like to look at the commonly debated "Christian" content of
several DT songs. It is rumored that Moore and Myung are fairly
religious, and you can see it in a little of their songs. But there's
some "Christian" phrases in Petrucci's songs. For example, what is the
significance of the phrase "he is risen", usually reserved for Christian
songs in Killing Hand? Petrucci also argues against greed on WDADU in
Fortune in Lies and Status Seeker. Dominici's lyric for Afterlife also
could be read deeper, not literally "Will the blind have sight in the
Afterlife", but as the common difficult questions of the state of the
body and spirit in Heaven. Maybe there's an implied "will there be
animals in Heaven in there." Moore's Only a Matter of Time makes serious
allusions to some form of religion with the lines about his faith. Like
the song is about only a matter of time until Christ returns. Maybe the
dream-stricken prince of a pauper's descent is Christ, prince as Son of
God, but pauper as a poor carpenter on Earth. The dimly lit room could be
the darkness of the world. There's a lot more evidence of Christian
content in that song.
Moving on to I&W (anyone notice you can find an I&W in that symbol?
weird), it is accepted that PMU is about themes of Hamlet, I still can't
make out the quote exactly at the end concerning solid/sullied, sounds
like solid to me. Another Day sounds like its about suicide "die another
day" "better to save the mystery", etc.. Take the Time is probably just
about a personal pet peeve of mine, people who ask stupid questions and
don't take the time to think first, although I think the song is talking
about more serious questions. Surrounded sounds like it may have
Christian themes "let light surround you" Moore says he sent those
spirits (evil ones) tumbling down the hill but will hold this one (holy
spirit) on high above him still. One last comment on I&W, Petrucci still
can't make up his mind, night awaits the lamb's (a reference to Christ in
the Bible) arrival in under a glass moon, but dreaming of the next world
will secure you a place in a lake of fire (Metropolis).
Awake blows all previous reasoning away as Moore opens the album with an
anthem that seems to express his wishes to do his own thing "nobody knows
what they want until they finally let it all go" - he wants to let DT go,
"found the sound but he's in too deep" - maybe he realized the sound he
wanted to play, but will never escape being known as a wild synth soloist
from DT (maybe that's why the synth solo is especially crazy in 6:00)
"Don't cut your losses too soon" - Moore wanted to do another DT album,
"cause you'll only be cutting your throat" - maybe he needed a little
more experience or $. Someone said maybe Innocence faded was about
Moore's faded Innocence, but maybe Petrucci wrote it about himself, if
some aforementioned contents were Christian in nature, because Voices
certainly isn't. Or maybe it is. Maybe Petrucci himself is struggling in
his mind. "Should I turn on my religion?" - implies religion is present.
"Reveal the Word when you're supposed to" -I'm waiting... "Don't expect
your own Messiah" - disillusionment? I'll come back later with more on
The Silent Man. It has been theorized that the "she" in LSOAD as well as
some KM songs is the Sister Wisdom mentioned in Proverbs. Maybe so. This
is getting real long and is quite general, but I'd like to know more
about the content of some of these songs.
Just my buck and a quarter. Flame me if you don't like long posts and
want me to post a dream band or something.
M.A. VanOpstall
mavanop@grfn.org
"I'll smile and I'll try to pretend, and I'll never be open again"
-Space-Dye Vest, Dream Theater
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:19:21 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: non - dt....Kansas
Message-ID: <1BB50F52DD1@UCS.ISU.EDU>
BTW, how are Steve Walsh's solo album(s). I've seen one in the used
bin at my local store and was tempted to buy it (at first I thought
it said Joe Walsh). I was thinking about getting it...
ChucK
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 95 10:51:29 EST
From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DM?
Message-ID: <07MAR95.11726826.0027.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
DM?
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:09:20 (CST)
From: rhenley@gac.edu (Richard K Henley)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Digest )
Subject: The alt to alt...
Message-ID: <199503071609.KAA15347@hermes.gac.edu>
It's Rick again-
I've read the responses to my previous post and it's great to see that I
am not the only one who holds the same feelings and opinions. I must
disagree with the comment that a band is not necessary goal for a guitar
player to have (this is all my opinion, BTW).
I posess some chops which I can play at rediculous speeds, but in reality,
I may never get to use them. It is tough to find good musicians who are
into technical music. Thus, I must find another musical outlet. Here at
Gustavus, I was lucky enough to become part of a band. The music we play
is simple (DA-DA, Cranberries, 10,000 Maniacs) and though I don't find it
personally satisfying to play these songs, the thrill of sharing a musical
experience with the members of my band and the crowd watching us more then
compensates. I consider myself fortunate to have found four other
musically inclined persons who are easy to work with, because it's true:
there are some BASTARDS out there who should not have instruments. And
the green-hair-let's-write-a-song-about-sponge-boy image is getting really
FUCKING old.
So aspiring virtuosos, my message is this-
You must either step down a level in playing and have fun in a normal
band, or wait for real music to come back in style (which should be soon,
grunge is getting really old) and start a super-shred band.
I just don't have the paitence to sit around and wait for the latter.
Rick
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:31:21 EST
From: "John R. Kotzian" <jrkotzia@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kevin Moore Demos??
Message-ID: <199503071631.LAA00354@pace1.cts.mtu.edu>
Hey Jammers,
I live in Michigan's Upper Penninsula and would like a dub of the Kevin Moore Demo. Can someone help me procure a copy? I would appreciate it. Thanks.
-John Kotzian
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:40:56 EST
From: "John R. Kotzian" <jrkotzia@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 737x
Message-ID: <199503071640.LAA00820@pace1.cts.mtu.edu>
I forgot to ask: "Can anyone tell me the address for the Rush mailing list?"
-John Kotzian
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:46:35 +0200 (EET)
From: Pekka Juhani Salminen <pejusa@tukki.jyu.fi>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Is there any other DT albums I don't know?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950307191912.20571E-100000@tukki>
Hello fellows!
This is the first time I'm sending a message for DT mailing list!
I was wondering is there any other DT albums available? Here in Finland
the selection isn't so wide than for example in U.K.
I have When dream and a day unite(or something like that), Images and Words
and Awake. I know that there is some live albums as Live at the Marquee.
I would be thankful if someone could give me advice.
By the way I was listening DT in Helsinki on 22th february. The place
was sold out! It was a very amasing experience. First there was FW( it
was very good too), they started at 21:00(about) and played for an hour.
Then DT started with Pull Me Under! The show ended when clock was
over 01 am!! It is a very good experience to hear live my favourite band!!!
Waiting for advice about the albums.....thank you
Pekka (pejusa@tukki.jyu.fi)
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:56:01 EDT
From: "Eric Atkinson" <EEA@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <4CA55ED11A8@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu>
can someone mail me and tell me how to unsubscribe from this list
thanks...
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when you kill a man..you're a murderer
kill many......and you're a conqueror
kill them all........
and you're a god
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:52:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: F/X question...sorta
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950307124352.24595D-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
*Quoting Jay Peele:
>Also: To you sound engineer types (Hairball, The Doc):
>Is it true that the instruments on Awake were recorded with effects on
>(as opposed to adding the effects during mix down)???
I read an article in Guitar For The Practicing Musician w/ Petrucci
saying that they had indeed committed his guitar effects to tape.
As for everything else? Well, that's really hard to say. Probably here &
there (i.e. the distorted keyboards, some of Myung's bass f/x). I wasn't
in the studio, so, everything I say (and have said) is/are merely (an)
educated guess(es).
(Major Gramatical Error Alert! Whoa...)
Then again, compression is an effect, and things are usually recorded
with compression (and gates), so, if you really want to get down to it,
chances are 90% of what you hear was recorded with SOME sort of effect. =)
But, I'm assuming you're talking about John's guitars, and, as it says
above, *he* said they did it, so, it MUST be true. =)
I don't feel the need to explain why this isn't frequently done, so,
unless someone asks, I'm not going to.
Later,
-Hairball, one of those sound engineer types.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:58:25 -0700 (MST)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Guitar question
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503071000.A5244-0100000@casual1>
Somebody asked about the Lydian mode, and chords to go with it.
I can't tell you right now if John uses the lydian mode in the mirror
solo since I haven't thought about what mode it is. I think he just
created a melody that fits over the chords he used. You don't
necessarily have to stay in one mode.
About the lydian mode though: I feel the best way to think about modes
is to relate them to the relative major scale. For example F Lydian
would be C major. So the chords would be F, G, Am, Bmb5, C, Dm and Em.
When you wrote 1,2,3,#4,5,6,7, that would mean that you just take a major
scale and raise the 4th. Looking at the F lydian you see the intervals
are whole,whole,whole,half,whole,whole,half, so if you lowered the fourth
you'd be back at the major scale. So for chords to fit it, just build
chords in thirds using the notes of the scale. For more complex chords,
stack more thirds or add other intervals. If in the key of F you hear a
raised fourth, it might not be lydian, but the chord used might call for
a raised fourth in the melody to sound good.
I can take a closer look at Mirror and give you a more specific answer.
Will
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:57:46 -0500
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Subject: MLoL/Chuxter
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:41:14 -0500 (EST)
From: <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Magellan
Message-ID: <18233.9503071941@ragnarok.tis.com>
>
>I picked up Magellan "Impending Ascension" this weekend and I find it to be
>amazing. Can anybody give me some info about any other albums that they have?
>
Ben,
My email to you bounced, so I'm posting this to the list...
They only have one other album, "Hour of Restoration", which was their
first album. Unfortunately, it's hard to find these days since it went out
of print. If you like I could give you some phone numbers of mail-order places
that may be able to order it for you.
I'd say that "Hour of Restoration" is just about as good as "Impending
Ascension". If you like one, you'll almost certainly like the other. I'm not
really sure which I like better. I do listen to the second one a little more
often, I think.
Magellan is supposed to release a new album this year (tentatively
called "Test of Wills") but last I heard they still had not started recording
it.
I'm always happy to help out a new Magellan fan! :-)
Steve
-- Steve Chew - schew@tis.com "Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream. Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream." - Pink Floyd, "Sheep" from "Animals"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: schew@tis.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: First MTV song... Message-ID: <18624.9503072125@ragnarok.tis.com>
> >> Riot, RATT, Twisted Sister (absolutely timeless), Dokken, and Aldo Nova >> (bet no one knows who this is). I repurchased a lot of these albums on CD > > Life is just a fantasy... (early MTV staple) > I still like Aldo Nova's stuff... There's another song that was on MTV a lot -- "Monkey on Your Back" or something like that. A pretty cool song.
> Anyone here remember what the first video MTV played was? I do, >and a big full beer to anyone else who knows. > Sure... "Video Killed the Radio Star" by The Buggles... Now, did anyone here *see* that video when it premiered? ;-)
Steve
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:11:26 EST From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Nightmare Bands - The Final Chapter Message-ID: <9503072106.AA03007@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Of course, the *worst* nightmare band would be...
Vocals James Labrie Lead Guitar Brian Cox Rhythm Guitar Mike Bahr Keyboards Jens Johannsen Drums The dude from Devine Regale
8^)
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: BOB HOLDER <BH7314@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: BH7314@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA Subject: Who is DM ? Message-ID: <950307131151.2021df86@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>
I have to ask one thing that is bothering me. >Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 21:04:57 -0400 (EDT) >From: EVANGESP@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu >To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 725 >Message-ID: <01HNTUZWF6MA000JM5@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu> > OK, I'VE HAD ENOUGH! I'M VERY NEW TO THE SYSTEM, INFACT THIS IS >MY FIRST TIME REPLYING. I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY TWO BITS IN ABOUT THE >ALBUM COVER AND ONE OTHER ITEM. LEAVE THE COVER INTERPRETATIONS TO THE >INDIVIDUAL. IF DREAM THEATER HAS TAUGHT US THE FANS ANYTHING IT'S THAT >IDIVIDUALITY IS PERFECTION. JUST LISTEN TO THEIR MUSIC. NOBODY, I MEAN >NOBODY COULD EVER PLAY DM SONGS WITH THE ARTISTIC TALENT, TECHNICALITY ~~ Who is DM? Bob
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Keast Michael J <4mjk@qlink.queensu.ca> To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Dream Band Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503071538.A4216-0100000@qlink>
I just wanted to jump on this thread before it dies out completely...
My dream band is: Guitar/Vocals: Billy Corgan Guitar: James Iha Bass: D'arcy Drums: Jimmy Chamberlain
Don't get me wrong, I love DT, but in my books, no one will ever come close to Smashing Pumpkins!
Mike Keast Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 13:15:18 EST From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: CD set feedback Message-ID: <013.04258381.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
"Forever" is "To Live Forever" (I don't know where James gets off saying that's NEW, that's one of their older songs!)
"Unknown Dreamsong" is "Eve" with a religious narration sample at periodic intervals, like those on "S-DV"
It was the first time I'd actually sat down and LISTENED to "Change Of Seasons" and PAID ATTENTION - I've heard it only twice, when I saw them live in July '93 and on the Bayshore instrumental jam, and not being a musician, I generally >> don't pay attention to every bloody note they play in jams. But this was really cool, vocals and all. Does anyone have lyrics to this? (And while I'm thinking of it, a set list for Bayshore? I ...ahem... misplaced my copy)
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Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 13:42:00 GMT From: Matthias_Murra@hb2.maus.de (Matthias Murra) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Mike at Queensryche gig in Hamburg! Message-ID: <P4668@HB2.maus.de>
Hello, everyone!
Last night I went to the Queensryche gig in Hamburg (Germany) -- which was absolutely fabulous! :-) -- and after the show, while heading for the entrance, I spotted Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater standing at the soundboard booth! I was quite surprised and stunned to see him and barely managed to ask him if he could sign my jeans jacket. ;-) I was so speechless that I even forgot to thank him for it.
THANKS, MIKE! :-)
He told me that James was supposed to be there, too, but couldn't tell me where to find him. Oh, well ... Does anyone know whether the two bands know each other well? Or did Mike just come to see a great band perform? ;-) I wish I had had more time to ask him "everything I've always wanted to know -- but hadn't dared to ask". ;)
I can't wait to see Dream Theater on Monday in Bremen and Thursday in Hamburg. Hopefully I'll be able to add some more signatures ... :-)
Greets, Matt
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 738 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950307162059.150142B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I think it was Mike Bahr who asked, but the first video ever played on MTV was "Video Killed the Radio Star." Now where's my beer? :)
Richie
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:27:23 -0500 From: Mike Kinstrey <kinstrmi@dso008.sch.ge.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: First MTV video was... Message-ID: <199503072127.QAA11025@ns.ge.com>
The first MTV video was "Video Killed The Radio Star", wasn't it? I can't remember the group's name (The Wuggles?) If I get the full-beer, I'll take a large black-and-tan, please.
I can remember watching it when MTV first came on-the-air. I must have watched MTV for 3 hours straight! It was so cool back then, we didn't dare miss a single video.
Mike
__________________________________________________________________________ Mike Kinstrey (518)385-8214 "...like Houston. It's 180 degrees, kinstrmi@gnes02.sch.ge.com but it's a dry heat." kinstrmi@phecda.crd.ge.com - "Space-Dye Vest", Dream Theater __________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:32:15 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: long song stuff Message-ID: <199503072132.PAA10873@galaxy.galstar.com>
> spirit) on high above him still. One last comment on I&W, Petrucci still > can't make up his mind, night awaits the lamb's (a reference to Christ in > the Bible) arrival in under a glass moon, but dreaming of the next world > will secure you a place in a lake of fire (Metropolis).
Heh... maybe he was saying if you dream of being evil (or about Satan, or Hell, or whatever) you're going there! Who knows?
> what they want until they finally let it all go" - he wants to let DT go, > "Don't cut your losses too soon" - Moore wanted to do another DT album, > "cause you'll only be cutting your throat" - maybe he needed a little
I've always read this to be... quiting dream theater will be hard... but now that I've made the descision to quit, I see that if I start thinking that I made the wrong descision, it could be bad for me...
Basically he's telling us to avoid saying "What if...?" to ourselves.
> your own Messiah" - disillusionment? I'll come back later with more on
Or perhaps, God may not reveal himself in a form that you'd expect.
> Just my buck and a quarter. Flame me if you don't like long posts and > want me to post a dream band or something.
Hey! Post a dream band darn you!
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 11:56:16 EST From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: NEW DT BOOTLEG DOUBLE CD SET!!! Message-ID: <013.04256703.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
And I have it! Shelled out sixty bucks for the sucker, too!
It was recorded "Live in NY '93"; it isn't specific, and it features three unreleased songs as well as most of the stuff they usually play live, "Forever", "Unknown Dreamsong" - and "Change Of Seasons". Disk one is titled "Tragedy" and disk two is titled "Comedy". I haven't listened to them yet; I'll post after I do!
I checked with the guy at the counter and "Skyway Of Nightmares" is evidently a CD from the Rockfabrik concert in Augsburg, Germany. There was nothing else on the list I hadn't seen mentioned here or elsewhere. Each rare live import at this shop is thirty dollars, which isn't bad when you consider they're sold anywhere from $40 to $60, usually. If they don't have a particular import you're looking for, if it's on this (rather extensive) list they have, they can order it for you. Feedback later...
Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:57:05 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 737 (various) Message-ID: <199503072157.QAA26754@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: U-E59578-Charles Hanley <charles.hanley@ae.ge.com> > Subject: MLOL Status > > Does anyone know what the status of "The Musical List of Lists" is? I > found out about YTSEJAM through MLOL, but my e-mail is returned when I > try the last known address that I had (mlol@wariat.org). If it's defunct, > maybe someone here has a summary of other prog-rock digests. Thanks. >
Check out: http://server.berkeley.edu/~ayukawa/lomml.html
or finger mkwong@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
or email the same address to request one...
> ------------------------------ > > From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net> > Subject: Tesla and other bands > > Also, I agree on sticking with the music you grew up on as well. My > favorite bands are Dream Theater, Rush, and Queensryche but I still love > to listen to the stuff I grew up on like Motley Crue, Boston, WASP, Quiet > Riot, RATT, Twisted Sister (absolutely timeless), Dokken, and Aldo Nova > (bet no one knows who this is). I repurchased a lot of these albums on CD > since all my old copies were off vinyl. >
Definatly agree with that... Tesla is a GREAT band... Have all of their CDs, including the new one, although I have not listened to it that often... Also love VH... (going to see them April 29th at the Worcester Centrum, in fact)
> ------------------------------ > > From: EVANGESP@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 725 > > > OK, I'VE HAD ENOUGH! I'M VERY NEW TO THE SYSTEM, INFACT THIS IS > MY FIRST TIME REPLYING. I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY TWO BITS IN ABOUT THE
Well... 1st off... Typing in all caps is considered to be SCREAMING around the net... so keep from the caps lock next timne... :)
> ALBUM COVER AND ONE OTHER ITEM. LEAVE THE COVER INTERPRETATIONS TO THE > INDIVIDUAL. IF DREAM THEATER HAS TAUGHT US THE FANS ANYTHING IT'S THAT
See... I would disagree here... If we didn't discuss things like that and tried to stick to strick DT topics only... we would have quite a boring list... I really like the cover interpretation... as well as lyrical interpretation...
> IDIVIDUALITY IS PERFECTION. JUST LISTEN TO THEIR MUSIC. NOBODY, I MEAN > NOBODY COULD EVER PLAY DM SONGS WITH THE ARTISTIC TALENT, TECHNICALITY > AND POISE, NOT TO MENTION THE SOULFULNESS AND THE EMOTION THAT AS THEY CAN. > WHY? BECAUSE IT'S SO INDIVIDUALISTIC. DM NEVER GAVE IN TO THE "POPULAR" > MUSIC SCENE. THEIR STYLE HAS REMAINED THIER OWN. UNIQUE AND GLORIOUS!
Well... agreed there... But its DT... :)
> , DAMN! CASE IN POINT) ANYWAY, THE SECOND THING I HAVE TO SAY > IS THAT THE IDEA OF DISCUSSING THE BAND "RUSH" ON THIS NETWORK IS REDICULUS!
I think you might just have opened some problems here... Watch out w/ the flame throwers guys... he's a self-admitted newbie... :)
> ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 20:46:53 (CST) > From: afeyder@gac.edu (Andrew J Feyder) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Imagine this! > Message-ID: <199503070246.UAA00930@hermes.gac.edu> > > Grettings 'jammers! > > With all the people pissing and moaning about non-DT content > flooding the list, I thought I would try to start a new thread that > actually IS related to DT!!! (drums please). For most of DT's songs, I > get images in my head when I listen to them. For example, Metropolis > makes me think of a large, dark, futuristic looking city, Erotomania seems > like the inside of a huge clock with lots of gears and electonic > components spinning, and A Fortune in Lies reminds me of a bunch of greedy > men sitting around a table, counting money and smoking cigars. These are > just a couple of examples. It would be interesting to hear what others > think of/imagine when they listen to DT. It doesn't necessarily have to > coincide with the lyrics, but can be what the music causes you to think > about as a whole. Hopefully this can help to quench the throats of the DT > hungry. >
Well, I always think for some reason that both LtL and 6:00 are about a factory worker... I really don't know why... but thats the image that I get...
> ------------------------------ > > From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> > Subject: Re: Thanks to Mike Burstin!!!! > > Agreed 101%! I've dealt with Mike Burstin, sort of as a > contemporary, from back when both our collections could fill a single > porta-cassette-carry-case, and it's always been the red carpet > treatment. Same for Brian Cox. And I hope they don't think too unkindly > of myself. :)
Agreed... BTW, thanks for the origional kind message...
-- +----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+ | And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael | | And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin | | And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+ | And I'll never be open again | Pgh Penguins: 14-4-2 | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:01:39 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Imagine this! Message-ID: <199503072201.QAA11447@galaxy.galstar.com>
> With all the people pissing and moaning about non-DT content > flooding the list, I thought I would try to start a new thread that > actually IS related to DT!!! (drums please). For most of DT's songs, I > get images in my head when I listen to them. For example, Metropolis > makes me think of a large, dark, futuristic looking city, Erotomania seems > like the inside of a huge clock with lots of gears and electonic > components spinning, and A Fortune in Lies reminds me of a bunch of greedy > men sitting around a table, counting money and smoking cigars. These are > just a couple of examples. It would be interesting to hear what others > think of/imagine when they listen to DT. It doesn't necessarily have to > coincide with the lyrics, but can be what the music causes you to think > about as a whole. Hopefully this can help to quench the throats of the DT > hungry.
When I listen to songs, I get dinstinct 'colors' if you will... its hard to describe... sometimes these 'colors' coincide with album cover, and sometimes I just get a certain song is a certain color. For example, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's "Tarkus" gives me a color of yellowish-green. Its just the key, the way the song is wrote... and some of the color on the cover is that same color.
However, for DT songs... well, let me see. I definetly see red for Metroloplis... why? I don't know. For Innocence Faded purple or perhaps a dark blue. For A Mind... I see blue, especially Voices. Space Dye Vest gives me a ruddyish orange haze type feel. Scarred is almost the same, a little more yellow.
I know..... it sounds weird, but really, when I think of a song I think of a color too...
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: DT boot discog... Message-ID: <199503072212.RAA26892@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, as requested, here is the latest copy of the DT boot discog... As always, it is avaliable from my web page and from the FTP site...
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For info on the DT FAQ email garion@indirect.com FTP from: ftp.netcom.com /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt or http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/dt.html
Disclaimer: don't accept money for bootlegs. It's illegal. We don't.
I am no longer listing all audience audio tapes and videos available from the Images & Words tour on. The list includes any tapes from before the release of Images & Words because of their rarity.
Short List Of CDs: ------------------
Pre Images And Words: The Majesty Demos, 1986-88, CD (Italy) InstruMental, Split Cd Jag Panzer / Majesty, 1993, CD (Luxumburgh)
Images And Words Tour: A Fortune Pulled Under, 1992, LP (USA) Classic Live, 1993, CD (USA) Consciously Unreal, 1993, 2CD (Italy) The Dance of Eternity, 1993, 2CD (Italy) Dimension Shift, 1993, CD (Unknown) Images & Tour!, 1993, CD (USA) Live in Long Island (Home At Last) ptI, 1993, CD (USA) Live in Long Island (Home At Last) ptII, 1993, CD (USA) Runes, 1993, CD (USA) Skyway of Nightmares, 1993, CD (Germany) Unplugged, 1993, VHS (USA) Home Sweet Home, 1993, CD (Luxumburgh) Dream Out Loud, 1993, CD (Italy) Moon Bubbles, CD ??? Lords Of Sound, 1994, 2CD (Italy) Lost In The Sky, 1994 2CD (Italy) Live and Alive, vol 1 Live Images Dance Of Eternity (NOT Dances Of Eternity) Puppies On Acid Mission: Impossible (2CD) Majestic Harmonies Tragedy / Comedy (sold seperatly)
Waking Up The World Tour (Awake): A Kick Into A Dream (2CD) Extended listing ---------------------------------------- Dream Theater songs (refer to list for song order) 1. A Fortune In Lies 2. Status Seeker 3. Ytse Jam 4. The Killing Hand 5. Light Fuse and Get Away 6. After Life 7. The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun ("The Death of Spark/Spock") 8. Only A Matter of Time 9. Pull Me Under 10. Another Day 11. Take The Time 12. Surrounded 13. Metropolis part 1 14. Under A Glass Moon 15. Wait For Sleep 16. Learning to Live 17. To Live Forever 18. Eve 19. A Change of Season 20. Moon Bubbles 21. Pup (also known as Puppies On Acid) 22. Bombay Vindaloo 23. Another Won 24. Your Majesty 25. A Vision 26. Two Far 27. Vital Star 28. March of the Tyrant 29. A Late Summer Rain 30. Schizophrenia 31. Cry For Freedom 32. "Resurrection of Ernie" 33. Mission: Impossible Theme 34. Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight (Beatles cover) 35. Don't Look Past Me 36. O Holy Night 37. Wanted: Dead or Alive (cover) 38. Freewill (cover) 39. Another Hand 40. Theme from The Simpsons (played on tape, not live) 41. The Gorilla Session 42. Gates Of Babylon 43. Grab That Feel (working title for Take The Time) 44. Creep With Tonality (working title for Learning To Live) 45. Twin Peaks intro tape 46. various drum solos 47. various bass solos 48. various keyboard solos 49. various guitar solos 50. unnamed solo 51. Silent Man (hopefully this will be on the new CD) 52. Indulge In Reverie 53. Barfbag 54. 6:00 55. Caught In A Web 56. Innocence Faded 57. Erotomania 58. Voices 59. The Silent Man 60. The Mirror 61. Lie 62. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream 63. Scarred 64. Space Dye Vest
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Dream Theater "Unplugged": WHJY R'n'R Auction 14 December 1993 Audio curtesy of WHJY, Providence, RI Video curtesy of WNAC, Channel 64 (RI Fox affiliate) ::36,51
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Majesty Demos (CD) CD bootleg version of origional demos ::23-28
InstruMental (CD) Labeled as "The 1987 Recordings" and has a picture of Protnoy, Moore, Petrucci and Myung. Single sheet inlay ::6,7,3,31,4,32,46,52,29,30
- Split Cd Jag Panzer / Majesty, 1993, CD (Luxumburgh) Reborn Classics 1001 ::23,24,25,26,28 + tracks from Jag Panzer Images & Tour! (USA) 1993, CD (Big Red Records #48733-DT) 1 CD Recorded from soundboard evaluation tapes (unknowingly?) provided by the band itself. Sound quality excellent. ::13,1,14,22,15,12,3,17,20,21,11,9
Home Sweet Home, Luxemborg (1993 ROCKS: 92079) Sparks Clubm 4 October 1992 Deer Park, Long Island, NY ::14,8,12,9,3,20,10,39,4
Live In Long Island: Home At Last Recorded at the Sparks Club, 4 October 1992 Deer Park, Long Island, NY (The humble place of origin of DT) (both discs sold seperatly) ::40,13,14,8,12,9,3,20,10,39,4 ::11,15,16,19,23,24,26,28
A Fortune Pulled Under (USA) 1992, LP Need a mfr. and catalog # (it was submitted) 1 LP Recorded in Paris, France, October 1992 It is VERY likely that this is a regional title, possibly a boot taken from a radio show that has been reproduced by more than one bootleg manufacturer. This is because another boot, "Dimension Shift" is nearly identical to this one, and this one is next to impossible to find. ::11,6,3,8,1,14,12,9
Classic Live (1993 REBORN CLASSICS: RC1045) Recorded at Plus 5, Ft. Lauderdale, Sat. 5 1992 It has the same cover as LATM, with text 'Classics Live' instead of LATM ::14,8,12,9,3,10,39,4,11,27
Dimension Shift Nothing known about this--seen in a magazine ad. Suspected to be the same boot as A Fortune Pulled Under. ::13,11,2,6,14,3,8,10,1,12,9
The Dance of Eternity (Italy) 1993, 2CD (Why Not? Records WOT2014/15) 2 CD's - Soundboard or AUD DAT, possibly the best DT boot available. Recorded at the Limelight, New York, March 4 1993 ::13,1,14,12,3,17,11 ::18,9,10,39,4,19,15,16
Tragedy GEMA ::13,1,14,12,3,17,11
Comedy GEMA ::18,9,10,39,4,19,15,16 The above 2 are sold seperatly, and are yet another copy of the DoE set.
Live Images, 1994, 1CD (Germany) 1 CD Living Legend 246 Nice cover with Dream Theater stamped into the coloured. Good sound. Show is the beginning for Dances Of Eternity. Ends BEFORE A Change Of Seasons. ::13,1,14,12,11,18,9,10,4,15.
Runes (USA) 1993, CD (The Camera's Ear Productions, #9103) 1 CD Recorded in Sacramento, CA, USA, no date given. Can be distinguished by lack of good bass in the first three tracks. ::13,14,17,15,12,1,11,9,16
Consciously Unreal (Italy) 1993, 2CD Classical Shots on CD Worldwide distribution by Robespierre, Srl, Italy CD #1 - CSCD009; CD #2 - CSCD010 Tracks 1-11 recorded in Milan, Italy on 5 April 1993. LaBrie on vocals. Tracks 12-16 recorded during the Dream & Day tour, Dominici vocals. ::13,1,14,12,3,10,39,4,9,11 ::15,16,13,6,17,3,4
Live and alive, vol I and II, 1993, 2CD (Germany) PR Records, Imtrat Medienvertrieb Music (IMM) 40.90205 & 206 It is a copy of "Consciously unreal", except for the 2 last tracks that are a guitar solo and a version of "Only a matter of time" with James La Brie on vocals (probably from the 1992 Us tour). Says it is USA 89 & 92, but it is not. Aud voices heard in Italian throughout show. Has cover art by Harald Heinrichs. ::13,1,14,12,3,10,39,4,9,11 ::15,16,13,6,17,8,49
Skyway of Nightmares (UK) 1993, CD Recorded at Augsbug Rockfabrik, 7 April 1993, Germany ::13,1,14,12,3,10,9,11,15,16
Moon Bubbles 2 dics, manufacturer not listed Club Citty, Kawasaki (near Tokyo) Nov 16, 1993 ::13,14,8,12,9,3,20 ::10,39,4,11,15,16
Dream Out Loud, Italy (1993 KISS THE STONE: KTS243) Soundboard recording, radio broadcast, Buffalo, NY May 18, 1993 It has very good packaging, with a cool picture disc, and a nice band history. ::13,14,2,15,12,21,11,17,50,46,10,9,16
Lords Of Sound, Italy (1993 KISS THE STONE: KTS282/283) Soundboard recording, radio broadcast, Milwaukee, WI June 29, 1993 ::13,14,1,15,12,21,11 ::17,50,2,10,9,18,16
Puppies On Acid, 1994, CD (???) 1 CD Bondage Music 009 Same show as Lords Of Sound, single CD Audience recording, Milwaukee, June 29,1993 Great cover, with shots from the members of the band. ::13,14,1,15,12,21,11,17,46,2,10
Dance of Eternity, 1994, CD (Luxumburgh) Rocks 92111 1 CD recorded in Buffalo, May 18, 1993. This is a radio broadcast. It is a little different of "Dream out loud" because it features the full version of "Learning to live" (cut off on DOL) and "Eve"! ::13,14,2,15,17,50,46,10,9,18,16.
Excellent (Nova/ GEMA NV-09) audience recording, New York, 7/22/93 Cheap packaging, portrait band photo on front cover. Sounds like it was recorded by a distant stereo microphone at the back of the hall. Slight stereo image, even quality, massive drum sound, possible DAT recording. Deep bass notes (bass pedals?) get distorted. Concert is not same as DoL but Galactic Cowboys are credited too. Date is possibly supported by JL "on road for 10 months","N.Y". No close audience sound. ::14,12,21,11,17,49?,46,2,10,9,16
Mission: Impossible (2CD) (Wyvern EC.BV. DT104WV 1/2) August 28, 1993; Osaka Festival Hall, Japan (NOTE: I am not certain where the 1st disc ends and 2nd begins) The sound is very good! Jacket and disc-label is very colorful printing as well as Dance of Eternity or Lords of Sound. ::13,33,6,14,15,12,3,21,11 ::17,53,1,10,9,18,16
Majestic Harmonies (Backstage/Why Not? Records # BKCD089) October 27th, 1993; Stockholm, Sweden FM broadcast for live, soundboard for demos vocals: Labrie for Live, Collins for Majesty Demos Edits between several songs, possibly where station played its call letters. No static on the recording. No deeps bass (nothing above 12 kHz). The demos sound better than the "Official 1986 Demos" CD. The packaging is ok, with a chrome font for the dream theater, and all 5 guys' heads floating over a live stage shot, with the stage mostly dark. The CD is a picture disc, with the flaming heart from LatM on the cover (looks like a 2 or 3 color scan) ::13,33,6,14,15,12,11,9,27,23,24,25
Lost In The Sky, Italy (1994 Why Not? and Metal Crash: MECD2158/59) November 15, 1994; Palasesto, Milan, Italy Soundboard, pre FM broadcast DAT, mixed with aud DAT for Under Glass Moon & March Of The Tyrant. Packaging is roughly half of the size of an album sleeve, sort of like old CD longboxes. CDs fit in middle of tri-fold case. Individual pictures of band, although Myung's picture is there for himself and Petrucci. ::13,33,6,14,15,12,3,21,11 ::17,53,10,8,9,18,16
"Milan 93", 1994, 2CD (Italy) 2CD Live Storm 52593 Radio recording, Milan, Italy, November 15, 1993. This is the same as "Lost in the sky" (most Live Storm are boots of boots)
A Kick Into A Dream (2CD) (1994 Metal Crash/Why Not?: MECD2186/7 Interesting packaging with many pictures of the band w/o Moore (or Sherenian). The packagine mentions that Moore left and Sherenian is touring with them. ::9,54,11,55,62,7 ::60,61,10,57,58,59,13
Audience and Soundboard tapes: ------------------------------
The Majesty demos, 1986-89 (Not produced.) (tape) Members of the Band: John Petrucci (guitars) Mike Portnoy (drums) John Myung (bass) Kevin Moore (keys) Chris Collins (vocals) ::23-28
Other Demos Available: (tape) 3,4,6,7,13,19,29-38,41,42
Taped as MAJESTY: L'Amours Brooklyn 9/25/86 (1 side) 23,31,42,24,28,6 Sparks Deer Park NY 10/25/86 (1 side) 6,23,31,24,27,3,28
Taped as Dream Theater: Ritz, NYC, NY 11/14/89 (1 side) 13,6,17,3,4,8
Sundance, Bayshore, NY 11/17/90, all instrumental show 45,13,5,43,44,3,46,48,47,blues jam,3,19 Encore: Medley Of Covers: Funeral For A Friend (Elton John) Heart Of The Sunrise, Close To The Edge (Yes), Aqualund (Jethro Tull), Carry On Wayword Son (Kansas), Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen), Angry Young Man (Billy Joel), Cruise Crontrol (The Dregs), Karn Evil 9 (ELP), YYZ (Rush)
VOCALIST AUDITION TAPES: John Hendricks: 35,17 Steve Stone: 17,13 John Arch 4,35,1,The Apparition (Fates Warning, he was former singer for Fates Warning) Chris Cintron: 35,19 James LaBrie: 17(acoustic),16,11
Ritz NYC, NY (6/8/92) 45 mins 9,14,13,1,16
-- +----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+ | And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael | | And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin | | And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+ | And I'll never be open again | Pgh Penguins: 14-4-2 | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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