YTSEJAM Digest 740
Today's Topics:
1) Re: super mario DT
by Jonathan Larkowski <larkows3@nes.nersc.gov>
2) Legislation re- Telecommuni (fwd)
by QPXEd <polzin@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 738
by Ryan Nakahara <rnakahar@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
4) Re:Rabin/Howe and opinions
by ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
5) hello jammers
by MIKULIMW@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
6) ALBATROSS!!!
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
7) **MAJESTY DEMO/INSTRUMENTAL'87/RISING POWER CD'S FOR SALE INFO**
by SGA/POLITICAL SCIENCE '95/MACLAB <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
8) Warning - don't spoil your listening experience...
by jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
9) Stuff
by SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
10) Re: Tesla...nightmare band? -some DT content-
by "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
11) Re:Lie Promo single
by Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
12) Playing in Bands
by srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough)
13) Milan 1993
by Jonathan Larkowski <larkows3@nes.nersc.gov>
14) This is a democracy, isn't it?
by JennieBear@aol.com
15) Set lists for bands
by Adam Soudure <gillius@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
16) Larry Mullen, Jr.
by JennieBear@aol.com
17) Looking for Dance Of Eternity CD...
by "J. Daggar" <daggarjon@urvax.urich.edu>
18) Re: NEW DT BOOTLEG DOUBLE CD SET!!!
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
19) Re: Imagine this!
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
20) Re: Dream Band
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 738
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
22) Re: Nightmare Bands - The Final Chapter
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
23) Re: Stuff
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 739
by vanhoosr@cco.caltech.edu (Stephen D. Van Hooser)
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 14:22:08 PST
From: Jonathan Larkowski <larkows3@nes.nersc.gov>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: super mario DT
Message-ID: <9503072222.AA22960@nes.nersc.gov>
Actually, the jazz chord progresion in the beginning of Scarred sounds a lot
like the music from one of the earlier levels over Super Mario Bros. 2 I'm not
sure which one exactly, but that's the first thing that popped into my head
when I first heard the song.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:09:00 -0600 (CST)
From: QPXEd <polzin@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: Tressa Callaham <tcallaha@uiuc.edu>, Megan Walsh <m-walsh@uiuc.edu>,
Subject: Legislation re- Telecommuni (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.950307190719.27539B-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
I received the forwarded mail included below. If you are interested in more
details than this impassioned plea provides, you can find out more on the Web
at
http://www.phantom.com/~slowdog
or in the newsgroup
comp.org.eff.talk
Claudia Washburn
--- FORWARDED MAIL FOLLOWS ---
Hello everyone...
A matter has come to my attention that is of the utmost
importance to all of us online.
Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly
heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications
Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S. 314). Basically, the
bill would subject all forms of electronic communication --
from public Internet postings to your most private email --
to government censorship. The effects of the bill onto the
online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and
private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have
to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be
held criminally liable for the postings and email of private
users.
Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators
among those who are fearful of the internet and aren't big
fans of freedom of speech -- ie., those who are always trying to
censor "pornography" and dirty books and such. Given the
political climate in this country, this bill might just pass
unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a
committed political force to be reckoned with. This, my friends,
is why I have filled your mailbox with this very long message.
A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media,
has begun spreading through the Internet. It's easy to participate
and be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions
below -- which boil down to sending a quick email message to a
certain address. That's all it takes to let your voice be heard.
(You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the
average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?)
Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online.
The more people sign the petition, the more the government will
get the message to back off the online community. We've been doing
fine without censorship until now -- let's show them we don't plan on
allowing them to start now. If you value your freedoms -- from
your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide forum to your
right to receive private email without the government censoring it --
you need to take action NOW. It'll take fifteen minutes at the most,
a small sacrifice considering the issues at hand. Remember, the age
of fighting for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over;
the time has come where the keyboard and the phone line will prove
mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case.
Here's what you have to do to sign the petition:
send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com
the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows:
SIGNED <your online address> <your full name> <U.S. Citizen (y/n)>
e.g.,
SIGNED claudia_washburn@qms1.life.uiuc.edu Claudia Washburn YES
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:50:08 -1000
From: Ryan Nakahara <rnakahar@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 738
Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.794616608.rnakahar@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
Halp! Puleeze stop sending the YTSEJAM here? It's just too much DT!
-Qyv
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Date: 07 Mar 95 22:14 GMT
From: ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re:Rabin/Howe and opinions
Message-ID: <794618685.5484002@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
>>While Steve had a good talent for
>>acoustic guitar, his electric style was sloppy (missed notes, screechy tone
>>etc.)..........
>>...I saw YES recently on their tour for TALK and Rabin was equally
>>impressive on guitar, keyboards and vocals. He plays their older
>>material much better than Steve could ever hope to do.
>Oh my God which Steve Howe are you talking about! Rabin is great but to say
>that Steve is anything but a MASTER who hits every note exactly, perfectlly,
>and with unmatched experession is to say...Metropolis is just a bunch of
>noise.
>I can accept an opinion of preferance but to say something as ABSURD as this
>cannot go unnoticed. The author is a FOOL!
>Brett
Hey Brett,
Lighen up! Let's keep our differing opinions on a civil basis. You say you
can accept an opinion of preference and then go on to flame that opinion so it
appears you don't accept it. You obviously like Steve Howe and you're entitled
to that, HOWEVER, there is nothing ABSURD about my opinion. I stand by my
observation. I don't consider Steve a MASTER like you do. If you recall, I
gave his some credit for some great stuff but I don't think he is as good a
technician as a Petrucci or a Rabin. Could be a style thing but I'm more
inclined to believe it is actual ability.
I wonder, are you a musician? If so, I'll pay more attention if you can
provide a more compelling case for Steve's playing. If not, then I don't
weight it quite so high. I AM a musician and listen and watch for technical
skills when critiquing other musicians. This is why I like DT so much. Each
of them are SUPERB technicians and it's generally not the case to have EVERY
member of any band on the same musical level.
BTW, Metropolis isn't just a bunch of noise and I really can tell the
difference.
Paul
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 18:46:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIKULIMW@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: hello jammers
Message-ID: <01HNV4WA4IKI000L03@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu>
Need to know! Does anyone know who if DT is opening for Van Halen in Dayton on
April 21st?!? I have been hearing the Collective Soul might be opening
instead of DT, and I hope this isn't true. DT rules.
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(______) MMIKULIZ@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu /_/ \_\
al354@dayton.wright.edu
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:29:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ALBATROSS!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950307191536.3308A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Anyone else on this list in a band?
> > Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
Yeah, I am...heh. Spruce Street Revival. =)
We mostly do original material (which makes us a bit of a
hard-sell to Philly area bars, but, whatever...our friends come in great
numbers and drink excessive amounts of beer, so, I don't know what the
hell they're so bitchy about), that is influenced by many different
sources. It's getting wierder all the time.
With any luck, we should be starting to record (haha, yeah, i've
said this about 15 times in the last 2 months) a new demo tape, here, at
the "house" (more on that some other time) with my semi-trusty 8-Track &
some other garbage (hey, YOU engineer with my 1/2 functional Magnavox boom-box
as monitors and get cleaner mixes! haha...), plus some equipment (a much
needed compressor/gate, and a couple mics) that was borrowed from a
friend of mine for running his band's live sound for free - actually, HE
got paid for running the opening band(s) sound; and, giving him a ride to
pick up his car from the shop. (Not that any of you care, but...)
So, we're kind of a hodgepodge of a bunch of people - imagine The
Grateful Dead meets Kansas meets the Allman Bros. and Phish at a jam session
with Pink Floyd, Journey, with a phenomenal (i.e. did drum clinics with
Neil Peart and studied with Rod Morgenstein) and some random blues/jazz people
who happened to be standing outside doing b**g hits, and you'll kinda see
what we sound like... =) (Eh, we're a rock & roll band, what can I say?)>
<sigh> It's *something* like that. Melodic blues/rock/fusion stuff.
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Subconscious UPDATE time!!!
Oh, damn it...I hope I have a paycheck at work. I have to get you your
money! Please, don't give mine away! AAAAAAAAAAAUGH!! I'll get it to you
ASAP!
> > Cruelty/Hostile Youth (Saigon Kick)
OH YEAH! SK is AWESOME!!
> > We're really thinking about throwing a shocker in there for the
> > crowd. Somthing like Amanda (Boston), or even Stone in Love
> > (Journey), I'd really love to...
> > ChucK
So, why don't you? I'll come out & sing SiL for ya. I do a great
Steve Perry impersonation. =)
My band played a gig the other night in Binghamton, NY, and we
did a jam on the Sesame Street Theme Song. That was a great way to end
the 2nd set. People fell on their asses laughing.
C - F - Gmin - F <- Intro
C - F - C - F (Sunny Day, Chasing the Clouds away)
C - F - G - F/A - G/B (blah-blah-blah, and that's where we'll meet)
F7 - G - F (intro) (Can you tell me how to get, etc.)
Try it out. Works great. =)
Anyway, sorry about the complete lack of DT content. Shoot me later?
Signed, that annoying s.o.b.,
-Hairball
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:38:01 -0500 (EST)
From: SGA/POLITICAL SCIENCE '95/MACLAB <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: **MAJESTY DEMO/INSTRUMENTAL'87/RISING POWER CD'S FOR SALE INFO**
Message-ID: <950307193801.2c60497f@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Since there seems to be an influx of new YTSEJAM Subscribers, and I
am taking orders, I thought I should post this info to the list.
It pertains to pre-orders for the 1986 Majesty Demos CD, the 1987
Instrumental DT Demos CD, and the Rising Power CD. Just so everyone
knows how I work this out. Prices on the Demo cd's are down to $24
each CD. If anyone is interested or needs more info, please email me back
at:
lodge_tim@ccsu.ctstateu.edu
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
CD INFORMATION!!
DREAM THEATER CD INFORMATION
--------------------------------------------------------
The following CD's are available for pre-order. This means that if you think
you want to buy one , both or all, let me know by email so i can reserve them
on my list for you. After I get enough of these pre-orders I can place my order to
get the CD's. At this point, I would email you back to let you know when and where to send
the check or money order.
DREAM THEATER - performing as Majesty. The Official 1986 Demo. 1 CD.
Includes - Another Won, Your Majesty, A Vision, Vital Star, March of the
Tyrant, Too Far. Featuring Chris Collins on Vocals. $24
DREAM THEATER - InstruMENTAL! The Official 1987 Demo Recordings!
Includes demos of: Afterlife, The Ones Who help to set the sun, Ytsejam,
Cry for freedom, The Killing Hand, Resurrection of Ernie, Drum Solo,
Indulge in Reverie, A Late Summer's Rain, Schizophrenia. $24
RISING POWER - Power to the People! Mike Portnoy's 1st band when he was
17. Features great artwork, bio, lyrics, and pictures! 11 tracks!! $20
If Interested send email to one of the following addresses:
LODGE_TIM@CCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU
TIML001@AOL.COM
YAQR73A@PRODIGY.COM
Thanks! And please email if you have any further questions, or would like to
pre-order!
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:12:19 +0100
From: jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Warning - don't spoil your listening experience...
Message-ID: <95Mar8.001047met.25601-2@colin.muc.de>
Hello everyone, it's jerry...
Just want to point to a terrible mistake i made.
I have the great advantage to listen to my favourite CDs all day at my
office (thanks to my boss). The bad thing is, i've only got a small
radio and my CD-portable hooked up to it.
So while i was listening to Awake nearly once a day for about the last
two months, it really started to annoy me :-(
Guess what, I just had to hear it at home, volume up to 11 (S.T.amp) and
the old magic reappeared!
This album is great, perhaps the best ever done... but don't spoil it on
a small radio or lousy car-hifi! It's like watching Bladerunner or
Wild at heart on a 13" TV-screen... no fun either.
Just my humble opinion.
..read you - jerry :--)
P.S. If you don't like a certain thread, sometimes the best way might be
to just ignore it.
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Andreas Schaefer email: jerry@muc.de
"And the Lord did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs,
and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and break-
fast cereals, and fruit bats, and large -- " MP - HG
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:53:15 -0700 (MST)
From: SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950307173829.17792B-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
Hey guys and gals!! Been about a month since I last posted because
of the chemical engineering design project. Anyone else a chem-e??
Anyway. Just wanted to thank Mike-Man Bahr for the incredible
amount of crap he's going through to get us the Subconcious CD. I don't
think there's too many people on this list (or any other list for that
matter) that would go to this much trouble to give fellow fans something
this special. So everyone with a beer close at hand, hoist it and yell
"FUCK YEAH MIKE!" at the top of your lungs! He deserves it!!
Also Mike related. A while ago I posted a help question for
people who don't like Fatez. Well, I dragged Parallels of my shelf,
LISTENED to it once or twice all the way through, and now I can't make it
through the day without singing the melody to "The Eleventh Hour" (the whoa-
whoa part). I LOVE THEM. I need to go out and buy the others now, but
just thought some of you long time Fates fans would like to know that
your "conversion" efforts are not going unheeded. Thanks gals and guys!
Now for some crappy news. I just read this month's Rip Magazine
(not the whole thing though) and there's an interview with Jim Matheos.
They talk about the bands current direction, address allegations that
Inside Out sounds too much like Paralells, and then it ends on a
disturbing note. Jim says that (I'm paraphrasing) the band is currently
considering new directions. The interviewer says then that he's glad
that there still going to do another album, then Jim says that the
interviewer cut him off before he could say "IF there's a new album"
SHIT!!!!!! There BETTER be a new album. But maybe somebody else caught
the article and can further corraborate my story.
Lay-terz
Greg Bunker
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 19:59:00 -500 (EST)
From: "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tesla...nightmare band? -some DT content-
Message-ID: <2F5D0202.0CD8.071C.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
Re: Nightmare Band
>Aww... hell, I *swore* to myself I would just let 'em go, but WTF-
>here I go. :) *Tesla* a _nightmare_ band?!? No f*&kin' way dude! I
>really can't understand how you can lump Tesla in with bands like
>Nirvana and the Smithereens. Tesla, IMHO, stradles the fence between
>progressive and straight metal very, very well (I suppose that for
>someone who doesn't have broad enough tastes to listen to straight
>metal, I would understand them not liking Tesla, but as I have seen
>many, many posts from 'straight metal' fans out there I have to take
>this poster as an exception).
[said in Alcoholic's Anonymous tone...]
My name is Dan...and I too, am a Tesla fan...
Seriously, though, I started getting interested in music by these
guys. They weren't the usual commercial crap out there. They could
actually play. My first artists that I listened to were Tesla,
Stryper, and Steve Taylor. I then got into more heavy metal like
Deliverance (now Queensrychean prog), then Tourniquet, then Megadeth;
then finally I got turned onto progrock and Dream Theater and
Queensryche (and King's X, Galactic Cowboys, Precious Death...).
But, I still hold Tesla in high regards.
I'd never lump them with Nirvana or the Smithereens.
>~Jeff
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:17:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re:Lie Promo single
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950307191627.25231A-100000@sparc.isl.net>
Hmmm...$8 eh? I bought one last week for $1. Where did you get yours again?
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 20:51:09 -0800
From: srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Playing in Bands
Message-ID: <199503080451.UAA11972@qualcomm.com>
Someone wrote a few digests ago wondering why if there are so
many good guitarists on this list why aren't they all in bands. Someone
else wrote back with a pretty good reason about goatees and socks,
(classic thoughts by the way).
My .02$: I used to be in a Skid Row,Warrant, Ratt type band
about 3-4 years ago. I've now been playingfor about 10 years (maybe 6
seriously) never taken a lesson but I canstill play fairly well. I can play
"Erotomania" all the way through exceptfor the following parts: 4:36
through 4:51 and 5:06 through 5:23 on yourlocal cd player. Reason being
not because I physically can't play them,I definitley can muster up the
ability, but because there are so many songs I want to learn how to
play and only having an hour a night if I am lucky to remember a million
notes isn't easy. I learn what comes easiest to remember and thats about it.
I would love to be in a band right now also, but 1. The music I like to
play,
short hair doesn't go over to well (damn I should of never cut it off) at least
not well in a club type situation. 2. I am looking but not to seriously because
I don't want to go the paper ad way of finding a band, I just want guys to
get together with on a saturday, jam out some DT and Metallica and QR,
whilst getting alittle blurred from some guy named Sam Adams. If
everyone could play guitar like JP, or hit a baseball like Frank Thomas,
we'd all be millionaires.
Sorry for the length and non-DT content. Later
^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
John Hough
srvrip@qualcomm.com
"Fear hangs the fellow that ties up his years,
entangled in yellow and cries all his tears."
SRV: "Couldn't stand the weather"
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 21:58:37 PST
From: Jonathan Larkowski <larkows3@nes.nersc.gov>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Milan 1993
Message-ID: <9503080558.AA38988@nes.nersc.gov>
This is listed for $55 at cdnow.com. Mike Burstin's boot list says this is the
same as LitS. Is this true? Is it just as good? If so, this is good news,
because I heard somewhere that LitS is now selling for $150. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 20:07:23 -0500
From: JennieBear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: This is a democracy, isn't it?
Message-ID: <950307200720_42469583@aol.com>
The following comment appeared in Ytsejam #734:
>AND to the persons that keep starting those *nonsense* question like:
>who's the oldest YJ
>Dream band
>How long you can live without DT
>-Please stop. I find them at NO interest, and so do a lot of others, I
believe.
>There are too much of this. some question once in a while is nice, but not
>half of the YtseJam-mails.
Well, isn't there something like 700+ 'Jammers out there? Surely opinion on
this must be mixed, and we should all realize that not all 'Jammers share our
*individual opinion*. We have to consider both lurkers and posters - Ytsejam
belongs to all of us.
Just because one person doesn't like tangential postings doesn't mean such
postings should end. It's the perogative of the individual to read, ignore,
or delete such postings. That's the beauty of not having a moderator - we
can choose what we want to read...or not read.
Yes, I think some of these so-called "off-topic" threads are silly, but I've
also learned a lot from others... This very issue came up on AOL, and a lot
of people defended "favorite music" postings. As for myself, if it weren't
for the other Ytsejammers and AOL'ers, I don't know if I would even be into
Magellan and Marillion, or be able to track down out-of-print albums like I
have.
Okay, I'm off the soapbox now! <g>
Hey - *no one* knows the address for "Screaming in Digital"?? I have yet to
get an answer on this... Please e-mail me privately if you can help me out.
Thanks!
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensrychejenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:10:50 +0800 (WST) From: Adam Soudure <gillius@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Set lists for bands Message-ID: <199503080410.MAA30783@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
I found a really cool way of making a set list great. play your own music!!! My band has supported many cover bands in the past and always played sets with ALL original songs. Sometimes it went over real well, sometimes not. The important thing for us is: its OUR music and we play for our own enjoyment, if other people like it great, if not -- who cares anyway...
Adam -- *** RUSH ELP YES QUEEN QUEENSRYCHE FATES-WARNING KING'S-X *** *** Adam Soudure: gillius@tartarus.uwa.edu.au *** *** *** *** "No more will I regress backward from that which I *** *** believe. I owe no man an explanation, expect no *** *** apology" -- Believer *** *** IRON-MAIDEN MOTORHEAD GENESIS KANSAS TRIUMPH K-CRIMSON*** ==== Tottenham Hotspur FC Supporter. Come on you Spurs!====
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 20:07:33 -0500 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Larry Mullen, Jr. Message-ID: <950307200730_42469771@aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #734:
>OK, I have to jump on this bandwagon. The Nightmare Band idea is just >too fun. Aside from some nightmare bands that have actually existed - >like Nirvana, Tesla and the Smithereens - here is my lineup.
>Vocals: Kurt Cobain >Acoustic Guitar: Willie Nelson (ever heard him try to play?) >Guitar: The chick from the Breeders (not the lead singer, the other one) >Bass: Michael Anthony >Drums: Anyone who has ever played for AC/DC, and/or dude from U2.
Ohhh... You better not say that (drums choice) to Mike Portnoy! Didn't someone post here saying that Larry Mullen, Jr. (the drummer from U2) was a drummer he likes?
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 23:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: "J. Daggar" <daggarjon@urvax.urich.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Looking for Dance Of Eternity CD... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503072323.A42140-0100000@urvax.urich.edu>
First off I'd like to apologize for posting something pertaining to Dream Theater, I know that everyone wants another nightmare band message to reply to ad infinitum. But...
Does anyone know where I can get a CD copy of the Dance of Eternity bootleg? I heard it the other day and it sounds very good. Email any info to: DaggarJon@Urvax.Urich.Edu, Nightmare band post optional...
Thanks, J. Daggar
P.S. Thanks again to Andy Keegan for the Moore demos, plus live versions of "To Live Forever" and "Another Day" to boot...
This mind left inentionally blank. J. Daggar
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:59:41 -0600 (CST) From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: NEW DT BOOTLEG DOUBLE CD SET!!! Message-ID: <199503080459.WAA18834@galaxy.galstar.com>
> And I have it! Shelled out sixty bucks for the sucker, too! > "Change Of Seasons". Disk one is titled "Tragedy" and disk > two is titled "Comedy". I haven't listened to them yet; > I'll post after I do! > > I checked with the guy at the counter and "Skyway Of > Nightmares" is evidently a CD from the Rockfabrik concert in
For your information, Skyway and Trad/Com are all in the Dream Theater discography... check it on the WWW and I think it was posted to ytsejam recently....
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:05:42 -0600 (CST) From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Imagine this! Message-ID: <199503080505.XAA18957@galaxy.galstar.com>
> When I listen to songs, I get dinstinct 'colors' if you will... its hard > to describe... sometimes these 'colors' coincide with album cover, and > sometimes I just get a certain song is a certain color. For example, > However, for DT songs... well, let me see. I definetly see red for > Metroloplis... why? I don't know. For Innocence Faded purple or perhaps a > I know..... it sounds weird, but really, when I think of a song I think > of a color too...
Interesting thread... I'm almost the same way myself. When I listen to PMU it reminds me of gray and flowing clouds, and all full of energy. It's just an energetic song for me and the mood seems gray/black to me. 6:00 is yellow for me, and Voices is gray/dark too. LTL makes me think Blade Runner for some reason. (Walking throught the winter streets alone, he stops to take a breath blah blah watching from above; just reminds me of Decker) The Killing Hand gives me a lot of imagery. It reminds me of a war-torn futureistic battle field, kinda like in move Terminator, but not all the machinary etc. Weird...
-- _ __ _____(_)____/ /__ #########/ Rick Booth; rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com /~### / ___/ / ___/ //_/ #######/' "Loss of intrest, question, wonder /~##### / / / / /__/ ,< #####/' waves of fear, they pull me under." /~####### /_/ /_/\___/_/|_| ###/'_The Frayed Ends of Sanity_ / Metallica /~#########
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:09:58 -0600 (CST) From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dream Band Message-ID: <199503080509.XAA19039@galaxy.galstar.com>
> Don't get me wrong, I love DT, but in my books, no one will ever come > close to Smashing Pumpkins!
Uh yeah, pass me the bong too! J/K everyone has their own opinions...
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:34:25 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 738 Message-ID: <199503080634.XAA27364@bud.indirect.com>
> I think it was Mike Bahr who asked, but the first video ever > played on MTV was "Video Killed the Radio Star." Now where's my beer? :)
Here's an idea:
You can all redeem your beers at Ytsecon '95!!! :)
I'm still working on a time'n'place for the Phoenix Ytsecon. I'll very very likely use my own home for it, since I don't suppose more than a couple dozen people can come, and I am going over the logistics of it while simultaneously listening to pre-presses of Subconscious and pumping my adrenaline up chanting to myself "they're gonna SHIT when they hear this stuff!! this is too cool!" over and over.
And my dog told me it sounded totally cool.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:36:29 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Nightmare Bands - The Final Chapter Message-ID: <199503080636.XAA27730@bud.indirect.com>
> Of course, the *worst* nightmare band would be... > > Vocals James Labrie > Lead Guitar Brian Cox > Rhythm Guitar Mike Bahr
I hope ya meant bass. :) On Rhythm I truly WOULD be a nightmare!
> Keyboards Jens Johannsen > Drums The dude from Devine Regale
Grin. I didn't know Brian and I were so... ah... visible?
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:53:08 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Stuff Message-ID: <199503080653.XAA29636@bud.indirect.com>
> Anyway. Just wanted to thank Mike-Man Bahr for the incredible > amount of crap he's going through to get us the Subconcious CD. I don't > think there's too many people on this list (or any other list for that > matter) that would go to this much trouble to give fellow fans something > this special. So everyone with a beer close at hand, hoist it and yell > "FUCK YEAH MIKE!" at the top of your lungs! He deserves it!!
FUCK YEAH MI... uh... oh, never mind! :) (opps)
Grin!
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:57:03 -0800 From: vanhoosr@cco.caltech.edu (Stephen D. Van Hooser) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 739 Message-ID: <199503080858.AAA16964@piccolo.cco.caltech.edu>
I would like to comment on some of the earlier interpretations of DT's music:
Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG> wrote: >First, I'd like to look at the commonly debated "Christian" content of >several DT songs. It is rumored that Moore and Myung are fairly >religious, and you can see it in a little of their songs. But there's >some "Christian" phrases in Petrucci's songs. For example, what is the >significance of the phrase "he is risen", usually reserved for Christian >songs in Killing Hand? Petrucci also argues against greed on WDADU in >Fortune in Lies and Status Seeker. Dominici's lyric for Afterlife also >could be read deeper, not literally "Will the blind have sight in the >Afterlife", but as the common difficult questions of the state of the >body and spirit in Heaven. Maybe there's an implied "will there be >animals in Heaven in there." Moore's Only a Matter of Time makes serious >allusions to some form of religion with the lines about his faith. Like >the song is about only a matter of time until Christ returns. Maybe the >dream-stricken prince of a pauper's descent is Christ, prince as Son of >God, but pauper as a poor carpenter on Earth. The dimly lit room could be >the darkness of the world. There's a lot more evidence of Christian >content in that song.
I agree with most of the interpretations above, although I don't think that Fortune in Lies or Status Seeker have too many (if any) religious or Christian connotations. I think they are generally social commentary. I see how your interpretation of Only a Matter of Time is plausible, but, personally, I think that it says that if faith is your guide then personal success (or self-fulfillment) is only a matter of time. I think the Killing Hand is sort of a fairy tale with "he is risen" as an allusion, but I don't think it carries any of the traditional religious or Christian connotations.
>like solid to me. Another Day sounds like its about suicide "die another >day" "better to save the mystery", etc.. Take the Time is probably just
Another Day (if memory serves) was a song Petrucci wrote for his dad long ago when his dad was very sick; happily, Petrucci's dad is now doing well.
>about more serious questions. Surrounded sounds like it may have >Christian themes "let light surround you" Moore says he sent those >spirits (evil ones) tumbling down the hill but will hold this one (holy >spirit) on high above him still. One last comment on I&W, Petrucci still >can't make up his mind, night awaits the lamb's (a reference to Christ in >the Bible) arrival in under a glass moon, but dreaming of the next world >will secure you a place in a lake of fire (Metropolis).
And I would add that Metropolis ends with "love is the dance of eternity"; sort of speaks for itself.
>Awake blows all previous reasoning away as Moore opens the album with an >anthem that seems to express his wishes to do his own thing "nobody knows >what they want until they finally let it all go" - he wants to let DT go, >"found the sound but he's in too deep" - maybe he realized the sound he >wanted to play, but will never escape being known as a wild synth soloist >from DT (maybe that's why the synth solo is especially crazy in 6:00) >"Don't cut your losses too soon" - Moore wanted to do another DT album, >"cause you'll only be cutting your throat" - maybe he needed a little >more experience or $. Someone said maybe Innocence faded was about >Moore's faded Innocence, but maybe Petrucci wrote it about himself, if
??? I don't see this, but I don't really see anything else, either. After DT's first real tour, perhaps they are waking up to some realities of totally unsheltered life (with no place to call "home" for more than a day or so) and these inspired songs like Innocence Faded and Awake's darker edge in general.
>some aforementioned contents were Christian in nature, because Voices >certainly isn't. Or maybe it is. Maybe Petrucci himself is struggling in >his mind. "Should I turn on my religion?" - implies religion is present. >"Reveal the Word when you're supposed to" -I'm waiting... "Don't expect >your own Messiah" - disillusionment? I'll come back later with more on >The Silent Man. It has been theorized that the "she" in LSOAD as well as >some KM songs is the Sister Wisdom mentioned in Proverbs. Maybe so. This >is getting real long and is quite general, but I'd like to know more >about the content of some of these songs.
If anything, I view those references as anti-religious. He's starting to question things, and when he gets to some answers he doesn't like, he is tempted to "turn on his religion" and forget the questions. But, he decides that it is just the "voices in his head" telling him to, and that it is HE (the singer/character in the song) who must answer these questions, not a Messiah. I don't get the impression that many of Petrucci's songs are religious or Christian with the possible exception of Metropolis. It has been said that Metropolis is kind of a fairy tale (between two brothers, the Miracle and the Sleeper), so maybe that answers this question, but I still think it has Christian overtones.
Sorry this message is so huge, but I hope it's content justifies it. I tried to quote only the necessary information (which is quite a bit for a good analysis effect). Please e-mail all flames (I hope I haven't offended anyone; it was not my intention); let's keep the list clear of them.
Steve
______________________________________________________________________ Stephen D. Van Hooser MSC 903 California Institute of Technology Caltech Fall, Winter, Spring: VanHoosr@cco.caltech.edu Pasadena, CA 91126 Summer: SVanHooser@aol.com (818)395-1324 World Wide Web Page: http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~vanhoosr/steve.html
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