YTSEJAM Digest 743
Today's Topics:
1) Tesla....(some DT stuff)
by STEVE SMITS <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
2) Speaker Sizes & McDonald's
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
3) Buggles Vs. Dream Theater?
by cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
4) ATTEN: Mr. Moore!!!
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Question about Petrucci gear
by Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
6) One of the few, the proud, the last...
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
7) Ack!
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
8)
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
9) Re: Imagine this!
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
10) Re: Aldo Nova
by Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
11) Re: Tesla....(*no* DT stuff)
by pandora <pandora@u.washington.edu>
12) Thank you for a warm welcome
by Elliott Kim <milkman@wam.umd.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 741
by lists@flatearth.xs4all.nl (Ruud van de Kruisweg)
14) Re: poll results
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) Smashing Pumpkin
by HuntNKill@aol.com
16) Re: end of PMU
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
17) symbolism and analysis
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
18) Re: Tesla....(some DT stuff, barely)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
19) Geoff Downes and Asia etc...
by ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
20) DT/The Buggles...
by StmpyJCat@aol.com
21) Silent Man is Champ!!!
by Brian M Polka <rycher@ksu.ksu.edu>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 742
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
23) Stuffs...
by DAVID E WRUCK <dewruck@ouray.cudenver.edu>
24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 733
by George Voronoff <george@cpsg.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 11:42:51 -0600 (CST)
From: STEVE SMITS <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Tesla....(some DT stuff)
Message-ID: <01HNXI8D312A00NYJV@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
I just saw Telsa the other night in Milwaukee and they kicked some
serious ass. (Played a ton of stuff from the first album!) One thing they
do at their shows is not to go backstage at the end of the show and make
the crowd cheer and applaud to get them to play encore songs. They stay
right out on stage and ask the crowd if they want more and then get right
into it. DT and others should do this. It seemed like an ETERNITY waiting
for DT to come out and play Metropolis. The Telsa show was unique in that
Tommy Skoech(sp?) was sick so they were only a four piece that night. It
still sounded good with one guitar though. Frank just did double-duty in
some places.
Ever wonder if DT would do a show if say John M. or John P. was
sick and couldn't play? Probably not....they'd cancel. At Tesla, I
thought a roadie might step in. I doubt any of DT roadies could pull off
a show on a moments notice. (BIG shoes to fill)
BTW....someone said that Trevor Horn went on to Asia. Geoff Downes
and Steve Howe went on to Asia, but not Trevor Horn. The other Asia
members were John Wetton and Carl Palmer. Now the only original member in
the group is Downes. Trevor Horn went on to produce Yes' 90215 album. He
was up for a Grammy this year....I think for producing an album by Seal.
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* *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows ***
* Steve Smits Smitsm@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:59:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Speaker Sizes & McDonald's
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950309131858.15537A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Ya know, I bet you people think I don't have a life.
Anyway, that being said, I was thinking (seems I do too much of that,
considering I'm on break) about this discussion about how the bass guitar
and bass tones on AWAKE (token DT content) sound better on bigger speakers
than those little dinky ones on your boom box.
Well, of COURSE they will, don't be silly!
However, the problem gets to be this:
When mixing, one should use speakers of VARYING SIZES to see if they
reproduce everything with a high degree of accuracy.
If you go to a reputable studio (and I'm not talking about the guy next
door who's got a 4 track cassette hooked into his home stereo), I'll bet
you this yummy Bacon Double Cheeseburger I'm eating that 8 times out of
10 you'll see a minimum of 2 sets of speakers: one set will be the size of
rack unit home stereo systems (or BIGGER), and one set will be smaller - and
most likely, some sort of Yamaha NS's (Yamaha NS-10's are among the most
widely used professional studio monitors in this country, despite how
bright, thin, and fairly mediocre they are, for the express purpose
stated above!) or similar speakers.
I'm 90% sure the low response frequency is around 85hz (someone correct
me if I'm wrong), where as a good set of home speakers can reproduce down
to around 50hz.
Therefore, theoretically, if you can hear the bass on those dinky
NS-10's, you should be able to hear it on your crappy (or 1/2 decent)
boom-box speakers.
Problem gets to be, if those NS-10's are BOOMY, chances are the mix will
be muddy, which is why studios have BOTH (at the very least). A friend
who built his studio from the ground up (and did a killer job) has 3 Sets
Of Monitors: the NS-10's, the home-sized speakers, and this MASSIVE assed
set of speakers that are like 5' tall that serve no other purpose than to
see what the mix will sound like at extremely loud volumes. =)
Brilliance at work, I tell ya!
The other thing is something that someone allured to a while back: The
Fletcher-Munsing Curve.
The brief explanation of the F-M Curve is that when the overall VOLUME
(or Sound Pressure Level (SPL)) is lower, the low & high frequencies tend
to fall away, and become less audible. You can check this - turn off the
"loudness" button on your stereo, and start at a loud volume, slowly
turning it down. You'll hear more mids & lower highs. It's just one of
those physics things...which is why the "loudness" button was invented:
it gives your lows & highs a bit of a kick in the ass for when you're
listening at lower volumes.
To account for this, engineers/producers will do mixes at a "normal"
listening volume - not too loud, not too soft; about average volume. When
they think they've got something good, they'll turn it up to a loud
level, and see what they've got. They'll turn it down, and see what
they've got. The whole idea is to find a happy medium - the mastering
people take care of making everything sound fairly consistant (volume &
EQ-wise) - so that it'll sound good in any stereo, in any town, in any
room, to anybody.
Of course, this is damned near impossible. So, you find that happy
medium, and hope for the best. =)
All this is why things tend to kick your ass at loud volumes, and seem
more powerful. (F-M Curve)
Anyway, Barron/Purdell did a nice job, overall. In fact, I hope DT chooses
to work with them again.
Any other audio type questions/concerns? Lemme know. I'll do what I can.
I won't apologize for the length: these things take time to learn, and
years to fully understand & effectively apply.
-Hairball, that annoying bastard who thinks he knows something about
audio engineering...
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:17:46 -0600 (CST)
From: cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Buggles Vs. Dream Theater?
Message-ID: <58675.cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> Sure... "Video Killed the Radio Star" by The Buggles... Now, did
> anyone here *see* that video when it premiered? ;-)
> Steve
>Okay, now can anyone tell me what's the connection between Video Killed The
Radio Star and Dream Theater?
This is my first post, and I hope that this works. Anyhow, I remember seeing
that video vividly. Had a lot of early eighties crap in it. I'll take a stab
at the connection between the two bands. The buggles sucked and Dream
Theater rock. They are perfect foils to each other. It could also be that
the buggles got a Good spot on eMpTyV, and Dream Theater gets no airplay.
Well, I did see them at 3:00 AM once. I really don't know. Oh yeah, there was
someone who wanted to know Dream Theater's arangement on stage. I went to
the Oct. 31 Columbus show, and it was as such: Far left, Derrik(spellling?)
Sherrrrrrrrrrididian (major spelling) ; middle left, John Myung; middle;
James Labrie/ Mike Portnoy Right John Petrucci. This is from the audience's
point of view. These guys rocked the house. It kind of sucks here musically
because my roommates see the Offspring as complex music, but I have the
loudest stereo, so ha. If there are any Buggles fans out there, I didn't
mean to offend ya, just a little joke, after all, they have a guarenteed
place in history. That's more than DT has ( as of yet). The way things are
going with the rock and roll hall of fame, Rush will have a hard time
getting inducted.
Viva Dream Theater
-Steve
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:43:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ATTEN: Mr. Moore!!!
Message-ID: <199503091943.OAA14997@rpc15.gl.umbc.edu>
Hi. I was looking to get ahold of a guy on here with the last name of
Moore (no, not Kevin.) We were trying to do a trade for some singles.
I haven't heard from you and I lost your e-mail address when my mail box
got wiped out.
Please e-mail me. Thanks!
BTW - anyone get the new Echolyn album? What do you think? I'm
waiting to get it for my birthday next week.
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 14:41:23 CST
From: Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Question about Petrucci gear
Message-ID: <m0rmpI7-0002qlC@donews.cts.com>
Does anybody know what kind of volume pedal John uses?
What about his wireless unit? I know he uses a Triaxis
Mesa preamp and Mesa cabs. But any other specifics
about his equipment would be appreciated. By the way,
for you guitarists, is the Sans Amp any good? I priced
the Triaxis at around $1000-1200, and I heard the Sans
Amp can emulate the sound decently. Any suggestions
for imitating the Mesa sound?
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* Brandon Vaughn / "It's not just for the dead." *
* Edleader@uwf.bitnet / King's X *
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:11:45 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: One of the few, the proud, the last...
Message-ID: <1F1324642B3@UCS.ISU.EDU>
Well, folks...
It's been fun... This will probably be my last (or close to
the last, anyway) post... I'll be seeing you around eventually, but
as of today, I no longer access my net account from school. I'm
gonna try and find a way to get back to the list ASAP. I'll still
get the mail at school and I'll occasionally drive up and read these
750 messages or so, but for now... Hasta La Vista...
P.S. Mike, I'm still interested in that Subconscious CD. I've got
yer address and I'll get it sent asap. And Jason, the same time,
I'll get you the moolah fer the T'. :)
See ya, soon!
(Post the ytsecon date, too
I've only got 'till May....
I'd drive to Arizona.. :) )
Chuckalupugus
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:13:50 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ack!
Message-ID: <1F13B6B3898@UCS.ISU.EDU>
I can't bear to leave!!!
Oh, well, my boring posts shall not be posted again...
I guess this makes me a lurker... (Heh, heh, heh)
My last post
(For awhile)
Chuckalupugus
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:35:24 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <1F1973908EB@UCS.ISU.EDU>
>>SMASHING PUMKINS SUCK AND BILLY CORGAN NEEDS TO VISIT HIS DENTIST A
>>LITTLE MORE OFTEN!!!
>>
>> Only MHO
^^^(DUH!!!)
>> ChucK
>No, Chuck, Smashing Pumpkins suck - to you.
What do you think MHO means (Bleah!) I'll spell it out for you
mm mm y y
m m m yyy
m m y
h h u u mm mm b l eee
hhhh u u m m m bbbb l e ee
h h uu m m bbbb lll eee
oo pp ii nn n ii oo nn n !!
o o p p ii n nn ii o o n nn !!
oo p ii n n ii oo n n ..
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One last post (I have to defend myself, you know...)
(My ascii art sux bad, too...)
Don't flame me while I'm gone :)
ChucKulupugus
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:19:03 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Imagine this!
Message-ID: <199503092219.QAA22442@galaxy.galstar.com>
> Interesting thread... I'm almost the same way myself. When I listen to
> PMU it reminds me of gray and flowing clouds, and all full of energy.
I see brown for Pull me Under (or perhaps, ruddy... if you understand my
meaning.)
> It's just an energetic song for me and the mood seems gray/black to me.
> 6:00 is yellow for me, and Voices is gray/dark too. LTL makes me think
6:00 is black and white for me... I think its the way they mixed each
album/song. 6:00 almost sounds mechanical, black and white. When I think
of I can hear the bass at all. Very mechanic. Not warm.
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:14:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Aldo Nova
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950309170949.9580A-100000@sparc.isl.net>
Howdy Jammers!
Aldo Nova released 4 albums as a solo artist ("Aldo Nova", "Subject",
"Twitch", and "Blood on the Bricks") and has done work with other
musicians. One that I happen to know of is Jon Bon Jovi. I'm not sure
what he's up to now though. Can anyone fill us in?
Jeff
BTW, just to clear up one thing. The song referred to as "Life is Just a
Fantasy" is really titled "Fantasy" and is the first track on his first,
self-titled release recorded in 1981. Check it out, that album is excellent.
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: pandora <pandora@u.washington.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tesla....(*no* DT stuff)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.950309175324.19971A-100000@saul5.u.washington.edu>
Someone out there wouldn't happen to have a tour date listing for Teslas
tour, would they? I missed them last time, and I *really* want to see the
guys again but have heard nothing about a tour out in my neck of the
woods (Seattle... which may explain why I haven't heard anything, as
every damn paper in the Seattle area only covers the &*%^* local scene-
but they leave out the good bands like Queensryche...). Anyway, any help
would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, sorry for non-DT content,
won't happen again... today. ;)
~Jeff
Jeff Lanctot is: University of Washington
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:52:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <milkman@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Thank you for a warm welcome
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950309224024.17049B-100000@rac2.wam.umd.edu>
Greetings. YtseJam is a mailing list with class! No childish flames, no
bullshit (except for the dream band and nightmare band stuff).
Remember the Rick Henley thing I responded to? I've seen nothing but
positive feedback. Thank you all for displaying a sense of class and
maturity. (Mature music = mature fans)
And yes, I too am sick of that Dream Band/Nightmare band thing. But I
can't resist. The answer to that is as follows:
Dream Band:
Vocals: James LaBrie
Keys: Kevin Moore/Derek Sherinian
Guitar: John Petrucci
Bass: John Myung
Drums: Mike Portnoy
That oughta shut y'all up!
I've heard it was getting kinda boring on YtseJam lately. But what can
we do? How's about that. Let's start a new thread. What can we do to
make YtseJam more exciting?
Elliott Kim milkman@wam.umd.edu
University of Maryland @eng.umd.edu
College Park
[Stylized 'Majesty' logo ASCII graphic and DT song lyrics omitted]
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 20:00:00 +0100
From: lists@flatearth.xs4all.nl (Ruud van de Kruisweg)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 741
Message-ID: <030995200018Rnf0.79b6@flatearth.xs4all.nl>
>Okay, now can anyone tell me what's the connection between Video Killed The
>Radio Star and Dream Theater?
>
>akeegan@liii.com
VKtRS was written by The Buggles (Trevor Horne and Geoff Downed). They
were became members of Yes when Rick Wakeman and Jon Anderson left the
band. This Yes setup produced only one album called Drama in 1980. DT
covered the song Machine Messiah from that album at their covers concert
in London. [ And I would love to hear that tune - and the rest of that
show... ]
Ruud
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:47:08 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: poll results
Message-ID: <9503092347.AA25579@tengs1.teng>
> From: "Mats Rydstr\vm" <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
>
> Hi!
>
> I was just wondering, the poll results seem to have fucked up on their
> way to the list so where can you get 'em by WWW, ftp, Gopher etc?
>
> /Mats
Ditto! Someone even sent me the poll privately, and other than:
"The poll results are as follows:"
The message was empty. Perhaps somone could send it to the list
in two parts?
Z.
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:58:34 -0500
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Smashing Pumpkin
Message-ID: <950309185829_44640097@aol.com>
Dear jammers,
>>>To surrender to a major flaming and to quote myself as before...
SMASHING PUMKINS SUCK AND BILLY CORGAN NEEDS TO VISIT HIS DENTIST A
LITTLE MORE OFTEN!!!
Only MHO
ChucK<<<
AMEN!!!!!!!!!
Yours,
Jeff =)
P.S. Is anyone here a NIN fan? Because I gave them a listen yesterday and I
think they SUCK!!!!!!!!!! So, any flames? Anyone?
<<<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<<<</-\-/-\-/-\>>>>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>>>
JEFF CHEW IS HUNTNKILL@AOL.COM "You are sunlight and I, moon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ joined by the gods of fortune
"The fool on the hill midnight and high noon
sees the sun going down sharing the sky
and the eyes in his head We have been blessed,
see the world spinning 'round" you and I"
- Lennon/McCartney - Lea Salonga (Kim)
<<<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<<<<\-/-\-/-\-/>>>>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>>>
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:52:11 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: end of PMU
Message-ID: <9503100052.AA25883@tengs1.teng>
> From: "MARK W. MIKULIZA" <MIKULIMW@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu>
>
> Anyone know what's up with the ending of Pull Me Under? It seems like it just
> got cut off or something. On the live discs it ends normally, so I don't
> believe that it's the way the song was written.
It wasn't the way the song was *written*, but it was *intended*
to be cut off like it is. It's kind of hard to pull that off
live, but they come fairly close to doing so.
Z.
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:27:33 -0700 (MST)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: symbolism and analysis
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503081059.A8982-0100000@casual1>
As an engineer, I really hate to analyze a song to death, but I do agree
that there are references to god. HOWEVER, anyone into satan/evil/etc,
could "create" references that seem to be in that vein. Just like "let
the light surround you" was given christian overtones by a 'jammer, here
are a few examples I've just thought of:
"Pull Me Under" - take me to hell
Mirror ("I spent so long trusting in you") - man given up on God
"Just when I thought I believed in you - same thing
I think it's time for a change - given up on God
Spinning the lies devised in my head - a bad dude
etc,etc...
My point is that you can find any meaning you want in small segments.
You have to take the song as a whole. I think a lot of times DT uses
words more for the imagery or sound of them than the actual meaning of
the words, especially on I&W. By the way, I don't believe those quotes
that I came up with above; I was just trying to make a point.
Will
P.S. The word is spelled r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s.
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 17:07:14 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tesla....(some DT stuff, barely)
Message-ID: <9503100107.AA26008@tengs1.teng>
> From: STEVE SMITS <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
>
> I just saw Telsa the other night in Milwaukee and they kicked some
> serious ass. (Played a ton of stuff from the first album!) One thing they
> do at their shows is not to go backstage at the end of the show and make
> the crowd cheer and applaud to get them to play encore songs. They stay
> right out on stage and ask the crowd if they want more and then get right
> into it. DT and others should do this. It seemed like an ETERNITY waiting
> for DT to come out and play Metropolis. The Telsa show was unique in that
> Tommy Skoech(sp?) was sick so they were only a four piece that night. It
> still sounded good with one guitar though. Frank just did double-duty in
> some places.
I used to like Tesla (the first album is one of my favorite, period.),
but the last two (although I did eventually buy the third) leave something
to be desired. I saw them in Sacramento @ Cal Expo (their hometown)
a few years ago and I was *greatly* dissapointed. The only decent parts
were the the acoustical set and the last song (Modern Day Cowboy, my fav).
When they did Heaven's Trail, intead of saying "kick ass" at the end,
they substitued "do crank"--- really low class, IMO. Maybye it was a
bad night for them, but I won't ever pay to see them again. Four other
people with my came to the same conclusion when we got back together
after the show.
A few of my buddies went to The Boardwalk last month to see two of the
members on the club tour, and although they said they weren't too bad,
they were sure the boys were pretty jacked up. Sorry bastards.
Well, you think this isn't related to DT? Wrong! DT played a
show at The Boardwalk a few years ago (as did Fates), so there.
Zach
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Date: 09 Mar 95 22:25 GMT
From: ALVAREZ1@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Alvarez, Paul)
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Geoff Downes and Asia etc...
Message-ID: <794799829.3319958@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
Hey Bryan and Babs,
>> It was "Video Killed the Radio Star" by the Buggles with a young Geoff
>> Downes on keys!
>>
>> Paul
>Does this mean that you are a Geoff Downes fan? If so, that is
>excellent. I like to think that I am Asia's biggest fan ever, and I love
>the stuff that Downes does. In fact, I just ordered his solo release
>called _Vox Humana_ which has Video Killed... on it.
Yes, I am a Geoff Downes as well as an Asia fan.
>Actually, isn't it Trevor Rabin? Also, whatever his last name is, he was
>never a member of Asia. Only Downes went on to that fame.
No it wasn't Rabin in the Buggles. It WAS Trevor Horn. Both Downes and Horn
did play with Yes at one point (1 or 2 albums?) but only Downes went on to PLAY
in Asia. I believe Horn may have been involved in producing the first Asia
album (I'll have to go back and look at it to verify).
It's interesting that I commented in a prior digest that I wasn't all that
impressed with Steve Howe but I will admit I did like some of his work with
Yes, was least impressed with him in Asia but liked almost all of what he did
with GTR (you should try them if you like Asia).
>Here's my question to you all Does anybody remember the band ASIA? It had
>Steve Howe and I think a member of Yes, etc. They were like a supergroup in
>'81. -BABS
To me Asia was a band of ex-prog types who wanted to cross over into more
accessible material. It had Downes and Howe from Yes, John Wetton from King
Crimson and U.K. etc. etc. (this guy's been around!) and Carl Palmer from ELP.
Got to see them on their first tour and they were great live! I found the
first two albums to be the best, thought they sucked when Greg Lake was in the
band and then wasn't all that impressed with later stuff even with Wetton back
in the saddle.
Sorry for the non-DT content.
Paul
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:29:01 -0500
From: StmpyJCat@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT/The Buggles...
Message-ID: <950309222824_44882798@aol.com>
Mike Bahr,
<<<> Okay, now can anyone tell me what's the connection between Video Killed
The
> Radio Star and Dream Theater?
The buggles were the first band to appear on the network that got
Dream Theater its first exposure, and, as it happens, their most
successful song. Hows that for stretching! :)>>>
Actually, there's an even closer connection:
Geoff D. and Trevor H. joined Yes for their album "Drama." Then, of course,
the guitarist was Steve Howe who recently did the covers gig with DT! In
fact, they even played something from that album, a tune called "Machine
Messiah."
Someone else mentioned that they thought it was Trevor RABIN instead of
Trevor HORN. Nope. Trevor Horn was in the Buggles and went on to produce acts
such as Yes, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, and Art of Noise. Trevor Rabin wrote
most of Yes' 90125 (which Horn produced) and is their current
guitarist/producer.
Stimp
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:03:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian M Polka <rycher@ksu.ksu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Silent Man is Champ!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503092202.B7788-0100000@abc.ksu.ksu.edu>
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to let you all know that Silent Man is now, and has
been for the past week, the champion of the Battle of the Bands thing on
a local radio station. It beat out Green Day to first win and since then
has beaten out even Boyz II Men to retain the title :-) Imagine that, in
midwestern Kansas people besides me are actually getting into Dream
Theater :-) What's next.... anybody's guess :-)
Brian Polka
*rycher@unix.ksu.edu*
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:20:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 742
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950309230125.4823C-100000@phoenix.princeton.edu>
> that's all the info. on him that I have. Here's my question to you all
> Does anybody remember the band ASIA? It had Steve Howe and I think a member
> of Yes, etc. They were like a supergroup in '81. -BABS
I like to think they were more than just a supergroup... unfortunately
the stuff they did after their debut was never quite as successful
commercially. The original members (Howe, Downes, John Wetton on vocals,
Carl Palmer of ELP on drums) made 3 albums, and then all but Howe
returned for the Then & Now album, which had both new songs and
classics. Then Pat Thrall played guitars with the other three on the
Live in Moscow Cd, recorded in '91.
In 1992, though, Downes, Palmer, and Howe hooked up again, with the help
of Al Petrelli on guitars and John Payne on vocals for the Aqua album.
Then, last year, they released Aria, with the same cast, but no Howe, and
Michael Sturgis taking Palmer's place. Like i said before, these guys
rule in my book. I encourage everyone to check them out, if they already
haven't, especially the newer stuff. Aria can be found in the import
section, because it wasn't an official US release -- only in the UK.
Aqua is in ost record stores, though.
> >that he did not continue playing with them on Aria (their latest),
>
> I cannot find this anywhere... I just barely found Aqua and Astra in
> the last two weeks, though, see I'll keep watching for it...
> (I still like Alpha, too, but it's my least favorite)
Ok, like I said above, Aria was a UK release. Either check an import
place (or the import section somewhere), or if you still cannot find it,
I can give you the name of a guy who sells import cds over the net, and I
know that he has Aria, for 15.95 I think. I think it's well worth it --
it's my favorite album.
I agree about Alpha. I think it was one of those 'our debut was so
successful, let's put out another one really fast' albums. "Open Your
Eyes" is a _great_ song, though. Some other ones are good, too, but not
as good as some of their other stuff.
> >there? With me, they rank right up there with DT, Rush, and Journey
> Yes! Another Journey fan. It appears our numbers are growing! (Heh)
But of course. Actually, I must give Journey credit for geting me hooked
on this music. I first listened to their Greatest Hits, and I have spread
out to other bands of the like from there, if you know what I mean.
> Hell, yeah! Asia is one of my all time favorites! Funny, though, I
> don't think age means much (I'm only 19) and I love all of this stuff.
> I also like Journey, the Eagles, Creedance Clearwater Revival, Rush,
> Pink Floyd, Toto, Jefferson Airplane, Air Supply and a hell of alot
> more older groups. (I think it helped having older sisters who
> constantly listened to this stuff, too.)
I couldn;t agree more. I am 19, as well, and I love most of teh
aforementioned groups. Although, I didn't have any older sisters who
constantly played the stuff... Toto is great. They have a fairly new
album too which is pretty good.
BFS
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:32:13 -0700 (MST)
From: DAVID E WRUCK <dewruck@ouray.cudenver.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Stuffs...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950309232030.27882D-100000@ouray.cudenver.edu>
Yes, I too saw the first video on MTV - those were the good ole days. Now
keeping on this apparently useless but fun thread - who were the VJ's?
Hint: there was four.
Okay - DT/Asia connections:
Steve Howe played for Asia and then played with DT for a night. :)
I *LOVE* Asia - except for Aria. But I'm trying. Each day I force myself
to find something good - which mostly constitute the patches Geoff gets.
It was Trevor Horn, not Rabin, who was in The Buggles/Yes and who is now
one of the hottest producers.
Everyone go see Patrick Moraz who is currently on a tour booked
completely by folks on the Internet. Musician types will be very
impressed and non musician types will get their money's worth!
Folks in Europe - ask the DT boyz what the plans are for a spring tour in
the U.S. for us. Outdoor venues? Opening or headlining? Will there be a
tour? Thanx in advance.
Dave
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:32:38 +1000 (EDT)
From: George Voronoff <george@cpsg.com.au>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 733
Message-ID: <199503100632.RAA02751@bohra.cpsg.com.au>
> From: Evan Thomson <930377@edna.cc.swin.edu.au> Writes:
> What the hell is wrong with you people in Australia?
> About a week and a half ago I offered to dub these for ppl in Australia
> and evan New Zealand (although I think there actually *is* someone over there)
>
> You've got some explaining to do folks!
>
> It's not like it's gonna cost you much - five bucks tops...
O.K. O.K. ... you've talked me into it. Send me mail with more details
about how to get a tape.
George.
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