YTSEJAM Digest 755
Today's Topics:
1) Name that Song...
by DAMION M KUMARASINGHE <STYKD1K@stn1.agric.nottingham.ac.uk>
2) New Video/MTV Europe
by freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
3) Dream theater Sucks!
by "Jason K. Schechner" <jks2x@fermi.clas.virginia.edu>
4) Re: DT stuff (f'real)
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
5) ACOS
by UNCLE FESTER <csaroka@yorkcol.edu>
6) Re: various comments (again)
by jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
7) Subconscious UPDATE!!!
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
8) Re: Questions, questions
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
9) Copies of Awake
by TTubbiola@aol.com
10) Re: Greg <greg2@netcom.com
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
11) Re: Tourniquet (and some Dream Theater content)
by "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
12) TOWHTSTS
by Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 746
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 748
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 747
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 745
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
17) Re: Awake sales
by "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:06:36 GMT
From: DAMION M KUMARASINGHE <STYKD1K@stn1.agric.nottingham.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Name that Song...
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.950320220636.384@stn1.agric.nottingham.ac.uk>
I sam Dream Theater at the Forum,London, on 15 March and thought
they were great.However I cant place the 'cover' that they played as
an encore(after 'Silent man', and before 'Metropolis'). Can anyone
who was there tell what it was?
Yours,
Daz.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 23:08:28 MET
From: freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: New Video/MTV Europe
Message-ID: <m0rqpcj-00013OC@cubnt1.cube.net>
Well, reading all this stuff bout the silent man video:
- does this edition of HBB get repeated somehow?
- or any clues when we are about to see the video again...see, i really
dont wanna watch mtv all day long since i thing its really rare that
they play DT there...
bye, Freak
( Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany - freakmarked since 1987
) freak@cube.net / freak@cubnet.de / Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66
( fax:(++ 49 89) 689 18 71 voice:(++ 49 89) 68 33 40
) I use & highly recommend Sony MINI-DISC for portable audio!
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:45:15 -0500
From: "Jason K. Schechner" <jks2x@fermi.clas.virginia.edu>
To: BenGrim@aol.com
Subject: Dream theater Sucks!
Message-ID: <199503202245.RAA122982@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU>
On Mar 17, 21:30, BenGrim@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Dream theater Sucks!
> Dream theater is the worst band ever!
>
>
> -- End of excerpt from BenGrim@aol.com
If you think so then why did you take the time and effort
to search out the Ytsejam mailing list and to determine what its
purpose is? If they really are that bad then you just wasted
your time in the worst way: on another waste of time.
I'm not sure if you are aware of AOL's overall reputation
among the more respectable denizens of the Internet, but thank
you graciously for strengthening it.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:05:28 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT stuff (f'real)
Message-ID: <199503202305.RAA16827@galaxy.galstar.com>
>
>
> Here's a bunch of stuff I got to tell y'all.
> Got the latest Guitar Player because it said Dream Theater on the cover,
> but there was no article about them, just some article about prog music
> that mentioned them. I think it had about as much DT content as the
> ytsejam, just a quote from Petrucci "Even though we like technical stuff,
> we all enjoy Billy Joel and U2" or something. And they raised the price
> of the darn thing 45 cents since I last bought it. Dang it.
>
Can someone post this article about Prog? Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:28:58 EST
From: UNCLE FESTER <csaroka@yorkcol.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACOS
Message-ID: <0098DA78.EDFC8620.186@yorkcol.edu>
I'll make this quick -
I just read that Mike said that ACOS will be on the next album.
That is good- I am happy.
Gotta run...
-Chris at York College
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:11:08 -0500 (EST)
From: jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: various comments (again)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950320200858.21550B-100000@barney>
On Mon, 20 Mar 1995, Clarke Woodfin wrote:
>
> 4. I heard some Anacrusis for the first time the other day (Thanks Jason).
> They're great! Looks like I'll be buying one of their CDs. Can anybody
> give me some recommended titles? I also heard some Echolyn for the first
> time. They're also great (though not as heavy).
>
Although they have broken up (*sniff* :( ) they're definitely worth
checking out. Try their latest two: Manic Impressions and Screams And
Whispers. If you're a little more advenerous, try Reason. Their other
stuff: Suffering Hour, and another EP or two are more in the thrash vein.
Enjoy,
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 18:47:47 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: garion@indirect.com
Subject: Subconscious UPDATE!!!
Message-ID: <199503210147.SAA08156@bud.indirect.com>
SUBCONSCIOUS CD Update!!
Current update: 3/20/95
Estimated date of arrival of my blanks shipment: 3/30/95
1. Orders received
2. A quick review: what the hell IS Subconscious, and how can I get it?
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
1. Orders received
Here is a brief list of the orders that I have received, paid, and
the CD numbers you will all be getting... if you are on this list, I have
your order IN MY HAND and you are DONE, FINITO... all you need to do is kick
back, relax, toss back a Kypler's, and wait for my CDs to come in the mail
to me, and subsequently, to you. :)
I _am_ keeping a copy of this list, in case future authenticity issues
arise, you can be assured of the full _value_ of your Subconscious CD. Given
the number of DT albums sold total, there is one Subconscious CD for every
11,700 Dream Theater fans. Not a bad ratio eh!!
A quick note: you will notice I have set aside a few low numbers for
Kaoru, and I have done this because most of the Japanese Ytsejammers will be
doing a group order through her, and I wanted to get *some* of the low #'s
to the land of the Rising Sun, tis only fair after all. :) That's the only
orders that are not yet paid, because she still has to get the orders from
the others. Any Nihon-go Ytsejam members, email Kaoru-san if you want to get
a copy of the CD! If more are reserved than space I set aside, I will fill
another block of numbers somewhere in the 100's.
!!!!!!!!!
Quick note!! If you "reserved" a copy with me, but have not yet sent
in payment, you won't be in this list yet... DON'T PANIC! I've still got your
reservation, and I _did_ say that because of the delay in the CDs getting to
me in shipment (my blanks) that you could wait on payment if you wanted to.
!!!!!!!!!
000 Original press master copy (CD-R Gold)
001 Glass master disc
002 Final press master #1
003 Final press master #2
004 Mike Bahr :)
005 Mike Portnoy
006 Kevin Moore
007 Michael Burstin
008 Brian Cox
009 Chris King
010 Jenn Albert
011 Alfredo Cappello
012 Andreas Schaefer
013 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
014 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
015 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
016 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
017 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
018 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
019 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
020 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi
021 Timo Haanpaa
022 Timo Haanpaa
023 Timo Haanpaa
024 Timo Haanpaa
025 Timo Haanpaa
026 Timothy Byrd
027 Timothy Byrd
028 Timothy Byrd
029 Steve Chew
030 Mark Stahl
031 Cheryle West
032 Paul Poehler
033 Douglas Slauson
034 Stephan Dobay
035 Stephan Dobay
036 Jason Macdonald
037 Jeff Chew
038 Jeff Chew
039 Jeff Chew
040 Bernd Basmer
041 Jeff Stewart
042 Brian Anderson
043 Brian Anderson
044 Michael Van Opstall
045 Greg Bunker
046 Albert Balkiewicz
047 Albert Balkiewicz
048 William Buckley
049 William Buckley
050 Jamie Burks
051 Joel Gregie
052 Uffe Moller
053 Uffe Moller
054 Andy Dixon
055 Anna Davidson
056 Randy Collins
057 Brian Vivier
058 Brian Vivier
059 Bill Nottingham
060 Alfredo Cappello
061 Alfredo Cappello
062 Andreas Schaefer
063 Timo Haanpaa
064 Eric Gauthier
065 Eric Gauthier
066 Michael Backof
067 Tim Altman
068 Mathew Yee
069 Christopher White <- this has to be the coolest number :)
070 Alex Fraser
071 Jason Breitweg
072 George Sorsby
073 Brian Polka
074 Kristian Reyes
075 Dave Fausel
076 John Kotzian
077 Matthew Berger
078 Paul Humm
079 Brent Phillips
080 Bob Holder
081 James Runde
082 Krysten DeBroka
083 R. Christopher Hailey
084 Siegfried Hanisch
085 Jason Birzer
086 Carmen Pezzone
087 Carmen Pezzone
088 David Bell
089 Dan Tshin
090 Stephane Auzilleau
091 Stephane Auzilleau
092 Stephane Auzilleau
093 Russell Brooks
094 Alexander Reinelt
095 Alexander Reinelt
096 Ken Atwell
097 Kevin Werner
098 Kevin Werner
099 Huub J. P. de Lijser
100 Robert Dalton
101 David Rolla
102 Jonathan Larkowski
103 Nathan Bradley
104 Nathan Bradley
105 Nathan Bradley
106 Scott Spehar
107 Adam Ensinger
108 Todd Hartmann
109 Todd Hartmann
110 Paul Goracke
111 Brian Ross
112 Rob Schuldt
113 Randy Haskin
114 Chuck Hanley
115 Brandon Elhai
116 Jonah Lin
117 Eric Anderson
118 Joseph Jurczyk
119 Kevin Howard
120 Henrik Gustafsson
121 Lars Karlsson
200 Justin Poulter
300 Brandon Beach
400 David Fox
500 Steve McMaster
If I messed up, TELL ME! :)
2. What the hell IS Subconscious, and how can I get it?!?
Subconscious is a CD, a project I undertook simply because I thought
maybe it should be done. It's totally privately financed, and I think with
the number of reservations that have been made, I will come out of it with
my head above water, for which I owe the trustworthy members of Ytsejam
a bow of gratitude. :)
NOTICE: This CD, I found out, is LEGAL because:
1. It's for promotional purposes only, not for resale
2. It's not for sale to the public. It's only for sale
to buyers I contact personally, which means
you people on Ytsejam.
3. The cost only covers manufacturing and shipping.
What happened was, I felt it was time to release some of Dream
Theater's rarer songs on CD, and thus I sought good copies from everywhere,
including some that came from sources connected directly to the band! Thus,
I think I can safely say that these are the best copies you can find outside
of those in Portnoy's vault at home.
I bought a CD burner and rented equipment from a CD pressing plant
nearby, so I could produce the discs. They will have printing on them and a
liner cover. I had to order blanks and jewelcases in lots of 500 or more,
though, and thus the risk was made: I emptied my bank account and placed the
order. Fortunately, it seems I will make up the difference with CD sales.
I will thus get my shipment of blanks + boxes around the end of March,
and I will begin shipments immediately, as I can press the CDs faster than
real-time. The price will be $25.00 US per disc. It was originally going to
be $27.50, but the CD place had a good price on blanks.
Why, though, you may ask, should I send a payment now, when I don't
get the CD for some time to come?
Well, you don't have to. I don't want anyone doing anything they are
uncomfortable with. BUT! I will provide as much information as possible to
make you comfortable with sending the money. I will provide full ordering
and disclosure info below, and plus, the order I get the money in, determines
which number CD you all get, and how fast you get it, so sending payment
early gets "rewarded" in a way.
The CD pressing plant I got all my materials from previewed my current
master, and decided it just wouldn't do. Without charging me a penny more for
another glass master, they agreed to take on the job of fully digitally
remastering the disc! They gave me a great rate on the studio time too.
So now it's done! The disc has been totally redone in Dolby Digital
Surround Sound, compatible with any CD player but MUCH MUCH better than
before, and compatible with Pro-Logic systems for full instrument separation
on most tracks. It is also compliant with THX for all except the two covers
gig tracks and The Gorilla Session, or so say the engineers.
Every track stands out so much better, Eve and Change of Seasons are
_better than they were on TDOE_, and songs that I was hoping would sound
better, such as Don't Look Past Me and Mission Impossible, now have nary a
fuzz or distortion spot. It's so clean, it's the way CD was meant to be. I
was confident before that this disc would satisfy the DT collector that _had_
to have it all... now I am confident that if you like DT at all and are
familiar with the usual sound of their older boots.. it will BLOW YOU AWAY. :)
The tracks that were the worst originally; Wanted Dead Or Alive,
Tears, Winter, and The Gorilla Session, were improved tremendously. WDOA is
now on par with the best, Tears and Winter are downright tolerable (if you'd
only heard the HISS...) and Gorilla... well... we tried. :) It's okay, for a
recording that was horribly done to begin with.
Here's the still-final tracklist:
1. Eve (live w/samples)
2. A Change of Season (live)
3. O Holy Night
4. Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight
5. Don't Look Past Me
6. Wanted Dead or Alive
7. To Live Forever (acoustic version)
8. The Gorilla Session
9. Mission: Impossible
10. The Back Pain Jam (RPM Warehouse)
11. Awake Heavy Jam
12. Experimental
13. Tears
14. Winter
In some cases, the rawness of the original recording will be
evident, but at least you know you're hearing it the best way it can possibly
be reproduced. Subconscious will be _the_ DT event of early 1995! :)
Here's how to order:
1. Please use a money order. It's simply the best way, and they cost twenty
to forty cents. Make it out to me for $25.00 per disc that you want (limit
5 to a person) and I am paying the shipping cost. Each CD will be mailed in
a cushioned mailer so it won't get damaged. Please make out the money order
to me, Michael Bahr, not to Feel The Rush or anything like that, since this
is really just my own personal endeavor.
I accepted checks for the Rush Video Montage, but a few bounced, and
I was left holding the bag. I've put too much money into this, and can't
afford to be stuck with bad checks, even though I trust 99% of you Ytsejam
members. Plus, best of all, a money order can be traced by you, traced by
me, and you know for a _fact_ that you will either get a CD, a refund, or I
will get thrown in the slammer! :)
2. International customers, I know international money orders are expensive.
If there is another way you wish to pay (wire, transfer, or other) let me
know and if I can do it, we'll do it. So far just sending cash has been 100%
successful, so I guess there's no real harm in it.
3. Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. By now, you know why. :) I will be
literally sending out discs the DAY I get my order of blanks, so nobody will
or should have to wait more than 6 weeks. If it turns out that it WILL last
more than 6 weeks, I will contact you directly, or you may contact me, so
that I can either discount the CD or give you a free concert on tape.
4. My new apartment complex won't hold enough mail for all the mail I will be
getting from the list, and also I figured you guys and girls wanted to send
money to a more permanent address, so I will be using my parents' (aka my
permanent) address for the orders. I am 21, so don't let the word 'parents'
scare you into thinking I'm some sort of kid. Also, I am in touch with my
parents on a daily basis, so I will be getting the mail immediately, and they
can reach me just about 24 hours a day.
If you happen to live in the Phoenix area feel free to page me
at 602-232-6647. Besides all the CD stuff, I'm always up for
lunch 'n' trading with local Jammers.
Send to:
Michael Bahr
3383 W. Monterey St.
Chandler, AZ 85226
That's a real address, folks, not a PO box, so you _know_ I'm not
going to jump the border tomorrow. :) I'm putting it all on the line so you
will all be comfortable enough with the project to make it a success. If you
are still having doubts, let me know via email, and I will give you my home
phone (don't want to post it publicly) and I will take the modem offline so
you can actually raise me on it. :)
5. Send in your order:
. Your NAME
. The ADDRESS for me to SEND your CD(s) to
. The money order, made out for $25, $50, $75, whatever
. your EMAIL address, in case I need to contact you (emerg.)
. (OPTIONAL) your home phone.
I won't require home phone because I want you to all feel safe that
I am not selling mailing lists. :) If you _do_ include it, I will use it in
case of emergency (maybe the mailman spills coffee on your order and I can't
read your address or something).
Again, 4-6 weeks for delivery... and if I can get anything faster
than that, I will. I've already requested a breakup of the order into two
packs of 250 CDs + 250 jewels, but they said 500 is the minimum blanks they
can even sell.. so... heck, it brought the price down, so it's worth it. If
they get here faster, I send out the CDs right away.
I am at garion@indirect.com and will remain there until the end of
time, so please mail me if you are confused, need information, are angry,
sad, lonely, maybe even a little whimsical, and need to get in touch with me.
Thank you ALL for showing such solidarity that a 21-year-old college student
emptied his bank account to order tons of plastic! :) You are truly, one and
all, ladies and gentlemen, the best fans Dream Theater could hope for.
Take care of yourselves, everybody, and happy whomping day! :)
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com, humble DT discog editor, anime' collector,
videogame player, CD presser, bass player, guitar player, backup vocalist,
beer drinker, college stoodent, and secretly, vampire by night. :)
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:40:11 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Questions, questions
Message-ID: <9503210140.AA20199@tengs1.teng>
> From: mtiplady@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mark Tiplady)
>
> Question two... I'm gonna be in San Francisco for a few days in October
> (YES!), can any of you West Coast 'jammers recommend any decent music
> stores for, ahem, 'rare recordings' :) Any help would be much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark.
>
> Colchester, UK. Birthplace of Humpty Dumpty and Judge Dread.
Just take a little 45 minute jaunt down HWY 101 to Sunnyvale
to The Compact Disc Warehouse. They have tons of Metallica
boots, a few Rush boots, Queensryche (I picked up the US and
the European Bridge singles the other day). They had a copy
of WDADU there the other day as well. I have acquired all of
my DT stuff there (except the demos and 1 other). They get new
shipments every week so I try to keep up with them without
maxing out my credit card !>)> (It's on the west side of El
Camino Real, btw).
Zach
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:05:03 -0500
From: TTubbiola@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Copies of Awake
Message-ID: <950320210502_55683584@aol.com>
Hi All
Well, as of today, I've bought six copies of Awake since Christmas. Myself
and many gifts for friends. Can anyone top this : ) ???
Tom Tubbiola
btw: Ytsecons NY & AZ sound like the places to be, count me in!!!
"The spider in the window" |<Dream Theater: Voices>
"The angel in the pool" |
"The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola
"Now the widow makes the rules"| TTubbiola@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:11:58 EST
From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Greg <greg2@netcom.com
Message-ID: <013.04649563.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
>Skyclad are definitely the Next Big Thing
>the extensive use of the violin and keyboard really kicks ass<
I only have a couple of songs, and those I procured from a Japanese penpal
who in turn had gotten them from *her* British penpal. I can't find an
actual CD here as of yet.
>I recommend any DT fan pick up Tales from The Thousand Lakes<
I did a couple of weeks ago - haven't listened to it enough to formulate an
opinion. I did think it was neat that they used traditional Finnish lyrics
for the most part. They must have had fun translating...
I'd move to Europe just for their taste in music and nothing but!
Off topic, I haven't gotten a digest in several days <someone forwarded
Greg's post to me> - what's the deal?
"In dark places we will see Jaime the Dragon
worlds we've always dreamed..."
CRIMSON GLORY
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:15:00 -500 (EST)
From: "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Tourniquet (and some Dream Theater content)
Message-ID: <2F6E38A0.0CD8.05E6.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
>I briefly would like to inform you all of some really great bands
>that I have never seen mentioned on this list. The two bands and
>their two best discs are the following
>Vicious Rumors-"Word of Mouth"
Never heard of them.
>Tourniquet-"Vanishing Lessons"
I've brought them up several times when I posted (but I'm relatively
new to Ytsejam- about 2.5 months). I think that I put Gary Lenaire
in my dream band as rhythm guitarist (behind lead Petrucci, of
course) and Ted Kirkpatrick is very close to Portnoy, in my book.
But, he's in a different genre all together.
If you like really prog stuff and really heavy stuff, I'd recommend
them. I like their sophomore album _Psycho Surgery_ better than
_Vanishing Lessons_, but that falls more into speed metal. They
always tend to do different stuff with every album. Imagine a speed
metal drummer (who is affluent on drums and guitar and...) playing a
drum solo overtop of a sped up Domenico Scarlatti keyboard sonata,
K517.
Their first album _Stop The Bleeding_ was your basic speed metal, and
throw in prog-style key changes and sig changes, etc. _Psycho
Surgery_ was more proggy, with some orchestration on the title track,
and many classical melodies turned heavy metal riffs. _Pathogenic
Ocular Dissonance_ had a lot of classical influence, but still heavy.
They did finally get an epic song, a whole 10:30 for speed metal
diserves some prog credit. "The Skeezix Dilemma" had 4 parts,
including a "waltz" session. Weird for speed metal stuff.
_Vanishing Lessons_ slowed their style a lot. They lost their lead
vocalist and one of their guitarists in between. And their new
vocalist Luke Easter brought a Metallica feel. It still showed their
proggy style with some funky time changes and classical instrument-
ation
>IMHO these are some of the best bands next to Dream Theater. Both
>play power/prog metal at it's finest. Both bands also have
>excellent vocals.
Power speed metal progressive rock...
Tourniquet's vocals always made my like them more. On their first 3
albums they had a *lead* vocalist Guy Ritter, but Gary Lenaire
(guitarist), Erik Mendez (guitarist), and Victor Macias (bassist) all
took part in a portion of the vocals- Gary especially.
Gary Lenaire's vocals tend to remind me of Rage Against The Machine.
He's just yelling, but it works so well with Tourniquet's songs- "Ark
Of Suffering," "Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance," the split vocals on
"Spineless," and "The Skeezix Dilemma" rock.
Guy Ritter, the lead vocalist, had a weird style; but he worked for
that period of speed metal. Luke Easter is a much better singer, but
I still like their older stuff better.
They would have to be my favorite Christian band. They are my
favorite musicians behind Dream Theater (there's my DT content).
Great speed metal, prog influences, and good spiritual lyrics that
shouldn't intimidate. Many of their lyrics relate science and
medical terminology to spiritual things.
>Steve Bauer
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:27:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: TOWHTSTS
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.950320211919.20773C-100000@freenet.grfn.org>
Besides having the coolest abbreviation of any DT song, what's up with
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun? I think this is one of Petrucci's most
brilliant lyrics, because it is so multifaceted. From an objective
standpoint, it seems that it is about a fatal car accident where the
driver seems to be alcohol influenced (the cloud the size of a man's hand
could be an effect of blurred vision). Later on the song gets tough to
figure out. Has the driver had a near death experience when he leaves the
vehicle, or has he been given a second chance, sort of a chance to tell
the world that we seem to be a moment too late in everything, sort of an
anti-procrastination thing. The character learns his lesson in the end
"Never again will my senses lose control" The story conveys this message,
to change before it is too late, but there's also a symbolic meaning for
the entire thing as well. Although the driver may be drunk, the
lamplights that misguide and the cloud the size of a mans hand represent
the things he is struggling with that eventually kill him (the drive
symbolizes life and the accident its end). Again, in the end he decides
to shed his vices, having been given a second chance.
I suppose the title of the song refers to angels, or spirits of the dead
performing a supernatural task after death, or servants of the sun god
Apollo. This is just a theory all.
A couple of questions for the rest of you...where does the "I can't see
where this is going" sample from "Light Fuse and Get Away" come from?
Also, I know on CD there is a three letter rating (i.e. ADD) that refers
to elements of the disc being analog or digital. I believe the last one
is mastering, because it is always Digital. Can someone remind me what
the others are (I knew at one time, I believe it goes recording, mixing,
mastering). Thanks.
M.A. VanOpstall
mavanop@grfn.org
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:40:02 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 746
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950320212750.2357B-100000@tucson.princeton.edu>
> I'm a big fan of Asia and it's interesting to see what albums people like. I
> was very surprised to see that someone actually though "Aria" was better than
> "Aqua." Personally, I though "Aria" was very weak, no substance. "Aqua"
Really? That is interesting. Aria doesn't really have any songs that
*stick out* as much as some on Aqua, I will agree, but I find that I like
all 12 songs on Aria, whereas I like 7 or 8 on Aqua. The rest are
listenable, but just not as appealing in my opinion.
> CD is great, even though Steve Howe isn't there. The solo on "Time Again"
> suffers. The two Crimson tunes on there are awesome.
Yes, the KC songs are great. I also really like the never-before
released 'Kari-Anne.' Just shows that they could still do it.
> was a great supergroup, too bad they didn't stay together longer. BTW, what
> the hell it John Wetton up to these days?
He released a new album, called _Battle Lines_ (Czech import) or _Voice
Mail_ (Japan import) laste last year. The track lists on the discs are
identical. I might add that I like the album very much. It has Michael
Cartellone from the Damn Yankess on drums for a few tracks, and Steve
Lukather from Toto and 1 Asia track on guitar. Very similar to some Asia
stuff.
> above. It's called Power and features Steve Morse (from the Dregs). By then
> the violin was gone and the material was even more guitar focused.
Incidentally, that cd can usually be found at used cd places for as low
as 2.99. I guess it really wasn't too successful. Didn't they also
release another one ffairly recently (less than 5 years). I seem to
remember seeing another Kansas cd somewhere...
BFS
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| Bryan F. Stroh | "So I sat back down, had a beer, |
| President & CEO of BFS Enterprises| and felt sorry for myself." |
| Princeton University | |
| Class of 1998 | - Hootie & The Blowfish |
| bfstroh@phoenix.princeton.edu | "Let Her Cry" |
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:03:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 748
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950320215536.2357D-100000@tucson.princeton.edu>
> He performed live with the band on that tour. You can see him on "ASIA IN
> ASIA," a home concert video.
Ok, anybody have any opinions on this concert video? Anybody know where
to get it? Also, what about the Mockba concert video? Is it just like
the cd?
> Amazingly enough I heard The Silent Man on a local radio station here in Des
> Moines, 103.3 KFMG. Needless to say I was completely shocked!!!! It was the
> first time I had heard any DT on the radio in my four years of living here.
That is good to hear. I am from Cedar Rapids, and I know 103.3 a little
from various trips to Des Moines. Drake, eh? That is my dad's alma
mater. :)
Unfortunately, I have not heard Silent Man on the radio anywhere out here
(new Jersey). There are a few radio stations from trenton that are ok,
but they never play any DT, and unfortunately, I ama bit too far to pick
up anything good from NY or Philly.
> Yes. Daylight was a bonus track offered only on the cassette. I just went
> out and bought Alpha on disc and it isn't on there.
Is Daylight any good? Is it good enough for an Asia fanatic to go buy
the cassette? (tough question, I understand)
BFS
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:50:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 747
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950320214523.2357C-100000@tucson.princeton.edu>
> voice to me. :) Greg Lake may have played on "Astra" -- I don't have
> that one. Is anyone looking to sell their "Astra" CD? I haven't been
> able to find it.
I don't know about whether or not he played in concert with them - i
never saw them, but I do have the Astra disc. Greg Lake is not
mentioned anywhere on the album... Wetton, Meyer, Palmer, and Downes
with Mike Stone producing again and Downes helping.
BFS
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| Bryan F. Stroh | "So I sat back down, had a beer, |
| President & CEO of BFS Enterprises| and felt sorry for myself." |
| Princeton University | |
| Class of 1998 | - Hootie & The Blowfish |
| bfstroh@phoenix.princeton.edu | "Let Her Cry" |
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:27:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 745
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950320211700.2357A-100000@tucson.princeton.edu>
> I have U.K.'s self entitled album, which is quite good. It features Allan
> Holdsworth on guitar (this is is awesome! You should hear his solos, a
I will assume then, that the self-titled one is the one you recommend to
get for people like me who dont haven anything by them yet.
> Although it sounds like a sure-fire winner, I was very disappointed in
> this album and felt that it is the worst thing Hackett or Howe have done.
> I noticed that someone on Ytesjam listed it as being in his Top Three
> albums ever. To each his own.
I would agree with you. I am glad that I own it, but I find that I don't
listen to it very often. Besides the Howe/Asia connection (and Downes
producing) what are the other connections with the group? (ie Bacon,
Spalding, etc.)
> The truth is the pre-Perry days were when Journey was at its best! If you
> prog and prog-metal heads want to here some great stuff check out their first
> three albums!
Musically, you may be correct. However, Perry got Journey to much of the
success that it holds. Most people associate Journey with the sound of
his voice, especially the ballads. I like all of Journey, but I would
venture to say that pre-Perry stuff is not quite as popular or well known.
BFS
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| Bryan F. Stroh | "So I sat back down, had a beer, |
| President & CEO of BFS Enterprises| and felt sorry for myself." |
| Princeton University | |
| Class of 1998 | - Hootie & The Blowfish |
| bfstroh@phoenix.princeton.edu | "Let Her Cry" |
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:50:00 -500 (EST)
From: "DANIEL JAMES TEMMESFELD" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake sales
Message-ID: <2F6E505D.0CD8.0720.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
Last I saw, Awake peaked at #32 on Billboard's Top 200. Not bad for
a band that isn't "grunge" or overly "commercial." I'm not sure if
it's gone gold or whatnot, but I'd like to know if anybody out there
does.
What pisses me off is when albums like Metallica _Metallica_ is on
the chart for 180+ weeks, selling 8+ million albums. That isn't even
their best album. Why can't prog bands get the publicity that bands
like Metallica gets!?! At least I saw that Megadeth's Youthanasia
reached #4 (but now they're hanging around 130).
C'all.
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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