YTSEJAM Digest 762
Today's Topics:
1) Kevin Moore solo material
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu
2) Thoughts on Dave (aol)
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
3) Re: Petition
by freel@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
4) Re: DT CONTENT! (Plus other stuff) -- Echolyn/Magellan
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 760
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
6) Re: Petition
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
7) Re: DT watching; LiT clip
by Slick Doggy Dawg <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
8) max bacon (was Re: YTSEJAM digest 760)
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
9) Re: DT CONTENT! (Plus other stuff) -- Echolyn/Magellan
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 761
by ed158@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wally Chung)
11) No Dream Theater on Italian TV
by alfredo.cappello@galactica.it (ALFREDO CAPPELLO)
12) The Dangers of Mixing Driving & Music :)
by JennieBear@aol.com
13) error in Metropolis?
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
14) Re: Max Bacon (non-DT)
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
15) Portnoy
by jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
16) Kev's press release
by jskewes@iadfw.net (Jason Skewes)
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:27:55 -0500
From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kevin Moore solo material
Message-ID: <95032519275501@acl.nyit.edu>
I just joined the mailing list about a few weeks ago and have basically
been reading the postings, this is my first post. I am amazed by the
loyal fan base DT has. I just have one question, I have been hearing a lot
about Kevin Moores solo material and people have been saying that it is
different than anything he has ever done. I dont know if this topic has been
talked to death but i was wondering if someone could describe his new material
to me and tell me what its like and if he plans on releasing an album. Thanks
in advance for any info.
JEFF
jforte@acl.nyit.edu
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 15:44:55 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: garion@indirect.com
Subject: Thoughts on Dave (aol)
Message-ID: <199503252244.PAA13252@bud.indirect.com>
WAIT!!!
I just wanted to post to the list to ask you all NOT to flame
Dave (the one from aol who dosen't like me _or_ my Subconscious project).
Dave, I'm sorry for the flame I did post already, it was posted
in the heat of indignation, and now I'd rather I had said nothing.
For those of you who are wondering what this is all about... Dave
made a post in which he leveled rather harsh criticism and insult toward
me and the CD project. I suspected (correctly, as I have read) that since
most of the Jam has sent for the CD, most of them would feel the need to
answer back to Dave. Please, I would really rather you did not.
I know that the insults were at me, and I do disagree with the
content of his posting, but I would rather let them go unchallenged and
let him be satisfied for now, thus, the thread should quickly die. I
_don't want to start any controversy_ over the Sub CDs. I'd rather have
him cutting me down than have the project go down the tubes, especially
considering the enormous time investment I have already put into it.
I hope that when the time comes, the CD will speak for itself, as
far as quality and so forth. Since I have a very touchy "gentleman's nod
of agreement" that the band will overlook this fan effort and let it
happen, I'd rather not go around pissing anyone off.
Dave, I don't know what I did to you to set you against me, but
I'm sorry. If you're dissatisfied with my way of going about this
project, then you're welcome to not buy a CD, and to recommend that your
friends do the same... just like you would with any product. I've clearly
marked the header in my mail about the CD with the word "Subconscious"
every time, so you can delete that mail at your convenience and not have
to read it through. I ask only that you keep the signal:noise ratio on
the Jam as low as possible, and email me personally if you don't like me
or what I am doing. I will always answer private email, and that way, we
won't have a flame war on the Jam.
For the rest of you.. please leave Dave alone. I appreciate the
sentiment in those of you who are defending my side of things, but I'd
rather lose the argument than lose the CD project to controversy.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:10:28 C
From: freel@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Petition
Message-ID: <0098DE6C.8E5FD8A0.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>
>> From: HuntNKill@aol.com
>> Subject: Petition
>[deleted]
>
>The implications of this are that if it passes, there will no longer
>be any netnews nor will there be any mailing lists available to the US
>(only to the rest of the world). Note the:
>
>> audience. UNDER S.314, EVERY PROVIDER TRANSMITTING AN OBSCENE OR INDECENT
>> MESSAGE IS CRIMINALLY LIABLE.
>
>This means that if someone (say "bengrim@aol.com" ;) decides to send a
>message that Jesse Helms considers obscene to this mailing list, I will
>be held criminally liable. So will the local phone company (pacbell),
>my internet providers, any sites that have this message on their disk,
>etc. Commercial providers like AOL and Prodigy will probably have to
>resort to only having moderated local newsgroups :(
Well, I have to wonder about all the doomsday stuff. I mean, if the bill is
passed, it's unenforcable. But beyond that, it'll immediately be challenged in
the courts, probably by (of all companies) Microsoft (others too, of course...
AOL, Prodigy, Delphi, etc). The point is, it really doesn't matter what the
"anti-government" republicans do to create more government ( :^) ), they really
aren't powerfull enough to shut everything down.
I'll personally send 1000 "FUCK YOU" messages to Newt Grinch and every other
mental midget who voted for it.... I'd love to see them put me in jail for it.
"Oh, the muderers can go free, we need to punish these free-speaking computer
people!"
Now there's a crime bill you can believe in. :^)
Gee, looks like Clinton might be re-elected after all...
(Sorry, I'll take it to talk.about.dumb.politicians.head.up.their.ass)
Chrisf
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 21:33:01 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT CONTENT! (Plus other stuff) -- Echolyn/Magellan
Message-ID: <199503260333.VAA19943@galaxy.galstar.com>
> I think Echolyn has a style that is hard to pin down, according to the
> keyboard player he is influenced more by 20th century classical music
> composers than any rock groups. He has a degree in composition and you
Yes... so far, Echolyn is the only band who has used a full string
section on a CD that I've heard. (And this is a 95 CD, I'd expect to
strings on a 70s CD, but 95... cool. :))
But they're definetly cool. They seem to be excellent all around, a group
much like Dream Theater (they're drummer is almost as crazy as Portnoy
and has the technique of Zonder.) Also they're vocal section is top notch.
I see a big influence from Gentle Giant, another really great band and
one of my favorites. They seem to be like Gentle Giant, only faster. And
from what I've heard, they pull it off live just as well as GG does.
However they have a much more classical style than GG and their lyrics
seem to be a little better on the whole. But don't take me wrong, they
may have a sound similar to GG, but they are totally different band with
a style that I haven't seen in a band before, whether its from 95 or 75.
oh, yeah, also so keyboard solos almost seem Firth of Fifth-ish to me,
especially "Prose." I guess Tony Banks is another influence on them.
> Magellan is a group I loved at first and then the feeling died down a little.
> I know exactly what you mean by the keyboards sounding "gimmicky" at times
> (and this is coming from a keyboard player). I do see a clear YES influence
> also, especially in vocal harmonies. Kind of like YES with a harder edge.
Yes... I feel exatly the same way. The first few tracks hold my attention
for a while, but on the whole I like Echolyn much much more.
> Overall I'd say Echolyn is one of the most original, imaginitave rock groups
> around today. They don't fit into a specific style they just do what they
> want. I heard comments at the Echolyn concert that Dream Theater may be
> interested in having Echolyn open for them later on!
That'd be a great concert!
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 00:13:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 760
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950326001202.4325A-100000@phoenix.princeton.edu>
A while back, somebody brought up Max Bacon and the work he had done with
the group GTR, and I was wondering if anybody could tell me what else he
has done, both before and after. Thanks.
BFS
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| President & CEO of BFS Enterprises | what can't be explained?" |
| Princeton University | |
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| bfstroh@phoenix.princeton.edu | - John Wetton "Space And Time" |
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:39:35 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Petition
Message-ID: <9503260739.AA15559@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: freel@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
>
> The point is, it really doesn't matter what the
> "anti-government" republicans do to create more government ( :^) ),
Actually, this bill was introduced by a Democrat.
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"------------------------------
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 22:42:27 -0600 (CST) From: Slick Doggy Dawg <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: DT watching; LiT clip Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.950325224134.16345A-100000@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
> Also, on the Live in Tokyo video, is there a clip of somebody talking > about a fake Eiffel Tower constructed to make the city look like Paris, > when it's actually the city of Tokyo. If so, who is it? > > > Younis Hilal > >
I think it's Mike. After that then he talks about the "authentic meal" from Wendy's. Have I watched the video enough?
Ed Polzin
WWW: http://isr0900.urh.uiuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:50:24 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: max bacon (was Re: YTSEJAM digest 760) Message-ID: <9503260750.AA15805@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> > > A while back, somebody brought up Max Bacon and the work he had done with > the group GTR, and I was wondering if anybody could tell me what else he > has done, both before and after. Thanks.
He was on Mike Oldfield's "Islands" along with a lot of other guests.
I think he was in the group "Bronze", although that may have been the drummer.
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 01:07:36 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT CONTENT! (Plus other stuff) -- Echolyn/Magellan Message-ID: <199503260907.BAA21489@netcom19.netcom.com>
If you think Echolyn is the only one to use a full string section, you should hear Believer... they even have opera... Dies Irae...
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 04:45:53 -0500 From: ed158@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wally Chung) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 761 Message-ID: <199503260945.EAA12496@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
I would like to temporarily be taken off this mailing list, thank you.
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:58:00 +0100 From: alfredo.cappello@galactica.it (ALFREDO CAPPELLO) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: No Dream Theater on Italian TV Message-ID: <8A63292.000101FCA4.uuout@galactica.it>
Hi all, bad news for all you guys. Videomusic, the Italian Music Television did not broadcast the Dream Theater show. I'm sure that NOBODY filmed the two italian gigs WITH PERMISSION. I have the video bootleg version of the Milan show (7 march 1995). Probably nobody also filmed the Rome show (6 march 1995), I don't know guys who film shows in Rome (btw rarely bands play Rome...). That's all, sorry :( bye Alf
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 15:29:15 -0500 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: The Dangers of Mixing Driving & Music :) Message-ID: <950325152914_60974042@aol.com>
I had to laugh when I saw this message (Ytsejam #760):
>Just in respnse to the jammer who posted about driving while listening to >Metropolis: The first time I heard Pull Me Under-Live <from LatM>, I >was driving, and I started pounding on the steering wheel, the windows, >the dash and anything else within reach until I actually bruised my knuckles >for the rest of the day. When the song ended, I realized I was doing 75 in >a 50 zone. The live Killing Hand has the same effect on me, esp. at the end >when James starts wailing. If you listen to A Fortune In Lies, when the bass, >guitar and drums do the military-sounding, highly syncopated part, one's foot >will involuntarily depress the accelerator to its limit.
This sounds all too familiar to me! My husband is a drummer. (You AOL'ers probably know this story because I mentioned it way back during that "My First DT" thread.) Being a drummer, he literally plays *anything*. Once in a while, he plays his car - the dashboard, steering wheel, windows... He started by just pounding, but he now uses actual drumsticks. And bass drumming, well, use your imagination! Needless to say, when the urge strikes him, Dream Theater and Fates Warning are his favorite bands to drum along with. Maybe when we get our dream house, the one with the sound proofed room, this odd habit will discontinue... In the meantime, he plays the kitchen sink (literally), his car, the cat...
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 16:17:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: error in Metropolis? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950326161012.27105B-100000@sham69.nada.kth.se>
Hey!
I've always wondered a thing about Metropolis, the original version on Images and Words. If you listen closely (in fact you don't have to listen that closely) you'll notice that when the kick-drum enters at the beginning of the song, the first kick is a lot weaker than the other ones.
Since DT is Holy Gods [tm] they just don't fuck up such a simple thing, so I was just wondering: what's the deal with that first kick? Is it supposed to be that way because it sounds good? (I don't think it sounds good!) Are there other reasons?
A similar thing: on Get A Grip by Aerosmith, the instrumental second-last track, there's a huge error bass-wise at the end. I trust Tom Hamilton to be able to deliver three consecutive minutes of fretless bass, at least when recording so that was probably intentionally.
________________________________________________________________________ / Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry / /-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ / "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS / /_______________________________________________________________________/
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 12:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Max Bacon (non-DT) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950326123137.340B-100000@rowan.liii.com>
On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Bryan F. Stroh wrote:
> A while back, somebody brought up Max Bacon and the work he had done with > the group GTR, and I was wondering if anybody could tell me what else he > has done, both before and after. Thanks.
After GTR, Max appeared on 2 Mike Oldfield albums- "Earth Moving" and "Islands"- He sang 2 songs on EARTH, and 1 song on ISLANDS. The songg from ISLANDS is "Magic Touch" which was almost kinda a semi-single in the states and even had a video. Max wasn't in it though.
Andy
akeegan@liii.com ============================================================== "Live fast, "There's only one way Be a spark and glow awhile of life, You'll be dead a long, long time" And that's your own" -B. Geldof - Levellers ==============================================================
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:22:03 -0500 (EST) From: jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Portnoy Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950326131928.10609A@barney>
Just read it in Modern Drummer, they've got a two-page ad for that drummer showcase thing they're doing.
at: Montclair State College, New Jersey
Portnoy (and four others) will be there on May 20. Greg Bissonette, Steven Perkins, Alan White, etc. on May 21.
tix: $25/day, $46/both days
Hopefully this is all correct, as I didn't buy the magazine, and remembered this info from reading it at the bookstore.
Later,
James Bako jbako01@barney.poly.edu Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 15:01:03 -0600 From: jskewes@iadfw.net (Jason Skewes) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Kev's press release Message-ID: <199503262101.PAA17676@server.iadfw.net>
Does anybody have a copy of DT management's press release about Kevin leaving the band..? I want to include it in the FAQ and I can't find a copy. I can connect to www.music.net or ftp.music.net... Did these sites go down..?
Any help will be appreciated!
Jason
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