YTSEJAM Digest 807
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 805
by Criss Robbins <afn08420@freenet.ufl.edu>
2) Aliens...
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Ronnie James Dio with Sabbath
by Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
4) Awake and Portnoy
by Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
5) Re: Majesty symbol in Netscape 1.1
by jjens@site.gmu.edu (John Jens (CS 112))
6) Re: Ayn Rand, etc.
by "David John Baranski" <djbarans@eos.ncsu.edu>
7) Re: Awake TAB Update / Mirror Intro
by Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
8) Replies For All II
by Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
9) Double Tracking?
by "Dan Tshin" <donews!danman>
10) Re: DT Poll
by "Dan Tshin" <donews!danman>
11) Subconscious
by XMLV06A@prodigy.com (MR GEORGE L SORSBY)
12) Queensryche in Denver
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
13) Re: 93 million miles
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
14) Apology from ROSS666
by AirDance@aol.com
15) Re: I&W Tab in UK?
by Lazarus - aka Simon Smith <sjs@st-andrews.ac.uk>
16) Ayn Rand, Dio, What is Progressive Music?
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 805
by oltmans <C.J.Oltmans@research.ptt.nl>
18) James
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
19) VH
by BOB HOLDER <BH7314@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>
20) Japaness Pay per view
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
21) General DT request
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 806
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 14:03:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Criss Robbins <afn08420@freenet.ufl.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 805
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950502140120.85332G-100000@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu>
I just recieved a great DT boot from their current tour. It was
recorded in Houston, Tx at the Tower Theatre on 11/14/94. I'm sure a lot
of you have already got a copy of this, but I'm new to this boot thing,
and if anyone has any boots they are willing to trade for a copy of this,
e-mail me with a list of your boots. Thanks.
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Chris Robbins |"One more time around
afn08420@freenet.ufl.edu |is all I ask for now.
"I'll be right here, I'll never leave, |a star to steer by,
all I ask of you is believe" -Savatage |wind to take me home again."
"Welcome to where time stands still"-Metallica| -Queensryche
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:30:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Aliens...
Message-ID: <199505021930.PAA04860@rpc23.gl.umbc.edu>
O.K., if aliens landed in _my_ backyard and I had only 30-45 sec of DT to
offer them, I have it narrowed down to 2 choices:
In LtL:
the part that begins with "Listening to the city..."
also in LtL:
the part immediately following that begins with "Another chance to lift my
life..."
It seems that a lot of people are choosing an _instrumental_ passage, and
while I understand that 75% of DT's music is instrumental, I'm afraid that our
extra-terrestrial jammers will not see the whole picture if a little bit of
James is not thrown in to the mix. Having said that, a close runner-up in my
book would be the beginning of the fadeout in Scarred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<"...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is >
<Dream control. Now | __||_ _|| __|| V || __| |_ | where it's at." >
<they read my mind on |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / --Mike Portnoy, LiT >
<the radio...But where|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"I think SpontanUity!">
<was the Garden of Eden?" szebro1@gl.umbc.edu --John Petrucci, X103>
<--John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show>
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:47:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ronnie James Dio with Sabbath
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950502153700.27192B-100000@atlantic>
Hello all,
I saw someone (sorry, I can't remember who) in Ytsejam Digest #802
mention Ronnie James Dio and his short time with Black Sabbath three
years ago, and he actually said that he thought Sabbath was at their best
when RJD was with them. HELLO?? WHAT??!! I understand that you have
your opinion and I respect that, but I don't think any self-respecting
Sabbath fan would say such a thing! All the great shit they did in the
seventies that influenced so many great bands today and then, and you
find Dehumanizer to be their best? Let's not forget that Ozzy was the
CORE of Black Sabbath. Whew... Once again, I understand that this is
your opinion, and I've come to the conclusion that you're much more of a
Dio fan than a Sabbath fan, so your opinon makes some kind of sense if
that's the case (but just a little... :). I just felt it necessary to
defend the days when Sabbath was Sabbath and VEHEMENTLY disagree... :) Of
course, I'm also about as far from a RJD fan as you can get...
--ROb
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 16:04:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rob Weychert <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Awake and Portnoy
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950502154818.27192C-100000@atlantic>
Hello all,
Just a couple things I felt like mentioning:
It has been commented on that Awake is a much more live-sounding Dream
Theater recording than anything they've done before and I agree. I had
heard this even before I got the album (I was not one of you lucky people
who got an advance copy... :), so one of the first things I noticed was
the picture of the band in the studio, all in the same room. I think
this method of recording had a lot to do with the album sounding so live;
as you recall from LiT, they recorded I&W in seperate rooms (a common
practice) and the result lacked the dynamic live sound of Awake. Some of
you may also recall that Metallica recorded Metallica in the same way
(all in the same room) at the suggestion of Bob Rock, and the effect was
the same. I don't know if all this has been brought up before (I've been
on the list since October and I don't remember seeing anything), I just
thought it was worth comment.
The second part of this deals with Portnoy; has anyone else noticed
(like I'm the only one... :) that he seems to have the heaviest
influences of all the guys in the group? We know he's a
Kansas/Rush/Genesis/Yes fan, but examine some other facts:
1) Part of his drum solo on the I&W tour was from Pantera's "By Demons
Be Driven".
2) Part of his drum solo on the Awake tour was from Slayer's "Reign in
Blood" (a favorite drum bit to sample, it seems; quite a few drummers
have opted to include this legendary drum tidbit in their solos
including Lars Ulrich and Charlie Benante).
3) Mike is the only one in the band to have seen Napalm Death live and
was subsequently the reason for the 'infamous t-shirt' James wore in
the PMU video.
4) When he appeared on Headbanger's Ball in October, he was wearing a
Machine Head t-shirt.
Just thought that was kind of interesting.
Okay, so my post wasn't all that chock-full of neato-rific
interesting stuff...I haven't posted in awhile and there WAS DT content!
:)
--ROb
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 16:28:17 +0500
From: jjens@site.gmu.edu (John Jens (CS 112))
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Majesty symbol in Netscape 1.1
Message-ID: <9505022028.AA04882@phosphorus>
> The falling stars are not only lighting up the sky however. I noticed
> that when the 'star' at the very front moves down past the hill, you
> can clearly see some texture on the otherwise all black hillside. If you
> look very closely you'll discover the MAJESTY-SYMBOL, or parts of it, in
> black with the rest of the mountain greyish. Someone has tried to
> subliminally influence every WWW-user in the world to become DT-fans.
Mat, you have too much free time ;)
but you're right, the "shaddow" of the N projected onto the black "sphere"
does produce something that looks a lot like the Majesty symbol. it's easier to
see if you crank up the brightness and contrast on yer monitor.
(obviously *i'm* the one w/ too much free time :)
later,
-john
::::::::::John C. Jens, Jr.:::::::::::::::::::"You could make a choice,::::::::
:::::::::::jjens@gmu.edu:::::::::::::::::::::but you never learned to think."::
::http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/:::::::::::::::::::-Fates Warning:::::::::::::
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:39:35 -0400
From: "David John Baranski" <djbarans@eos.ncsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand, etc.
Message-ID: <9505021539.ZM11498@eos.ncsu.edu>
Nypsie wrote in ytsejam #804
>David John Baranski wrote in Y-Jam 802
><<(nor do I plan to get it [WDADU] - DT without LaBrie
>is not DT)>>
>Is Dream Theater without Kevin Moore DT?
>Just curious.
>Nypsie
You know, I was thinking that DT without Moore would kind of be lacking, but
after finally getting the Japanese pay-per-view (thanks Allan) and getting to
hear Derek Sherinian play, Derek is pretty damn good and I think he's a good
choice for a replacement. He nailed most of the instrumental sections (except
for the *ahem* _sax_ solo on "Another Day") and his playing during the
improvosational sections on some of the songs was also very tasteful. But I
guess that DT was really without Moore during the _Awake_ sessions because he's
nowhere near as present on it as he was with I&W - none of the cool
guitar/keyboard solos, etc., that made him stand out on I&W. Now that I've
seen that Derek can mimic Moore, we'll just have to wait and see if he can
write as well, too.
Now, as far as LaBrie goes, someone said that his voice doesn't crack as much
if he's not moving around a lot. Well, his voice cracks quite often on the
pay-per-view, and after the first couple of songs he doesn't move around at
all. I first got into DT because of the drumming, but I really began to worship
them because of LaBrie's singing. Now that I've finally gotten to see them
live (second-hand, I know, but they never come to North Carolina) I was *sort
of* disappointed. I wasn't really bummed or anything, but I figured that if
you're going to be singing to a nation-wide audience that you'd really try to
hit those notes solid. The problem is - I think he _was_ trying to hit those
notes solid. He just couldn't. During his warm-up before the show he went flat
in a few spots. So maybe there's something to the theory that he's a one-shot
studio jockey. Listen to the section in "Voices" that goes "...sex is death,
death is sex...." That's the way he sings live for songs that he sang in a
much clearer tone for I&W. I know he really has to work his voice for a show,
especially if it's his upteenth show in a month, so I can let it slide. I do
believe that musicians should challenge themselves (and DT definitely does
that!), but if they can't pull it off live, they shouldn't do it at all.
Younis Hilal writes in Ytsejam #805:
> David John Baranski wrote in Y-Jam 802
>>
>> <<(nor do I plan to get it [WDADU] - DT without LaBrie
>> is not DT)>>
>>
>> Is Dream Theater without Kevin Moore DT?
>>
>> Just curious.
>That is strictly up to you. I think that's a pretty personal question and
>will vary a lot from person to person. As for myself, I just think of
>DT as the band that Mike P. happens to be involved with right now. If HE
>ever leaves DT, I probably will dump DT too.
>>
>> Nypsie
>Younis "Yup, I worship Mike" Hilal
Gotta agree with you here. Mike Portnoy is what got me into the band. I first
heard DT on the radio when I&W came out. I heard PMU one time and then I
picked up I&W the very next day. I usually don't do spur of the moment things
like that when I hear a song I dig is on the radio. I think I did the right
thing in this case :).
Deposit change here.
-- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream | | Tries to shake it off but it just won't stop | | Can't find the strength but he's got promises to keep | | And wood to chop before he sleeps | | - "6:00", Dream Theater, from _Awake_ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |David John Baranski | |"One of two known Polish-Koreans on this Earth" | |djbarans@unity.ncsu.edu | +-------------------------------------------------------+------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 May 95 14:48:53 CST From: Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Awake TAB Update / Mirror Intro Message-ID: <m0s6O10-0002WkC@donews.cts.com>
I accidentaly made it sound like the I&W TAB book contained the bass parts. What I meant was that the Awake tab book contained no bass parts just like the I&W tab book contained no bass parts. I just didn't want to be redundant.
Oh, I also forgot to give the ISBN number of the book. Anybody need that, let me know.
Brandon Vaughn *** edleader@uwf.cc.uwf.edu ***
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Replies For All II Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505020822.A5621-0100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
>The vocal melody in IF at 2:11 "Wearing apathetic displays, Sharing flesh >like envy in cages" is repeated with they keyboards in Erotomania at >2:38. It's not exactly the same, but I believe it's intentional. > - Eric Crowder > - kinglerxst@redshift.com
I'm sorry, but I just don't hear it. The progression at 2:38 of "Erotomania" is ascending. The chords go up by one note four times, then jump to a different progression. The progression from "IF" at 2:11 not only is descending, but after four chords it repeats the same thing. These two progressions are not the same, nor are they similar to my ears. (This is easier if you've learned the songs, 'cause during the time you are learning, your fingers remember certain chords and patterns and you go, "wait, this is just like that other song...")
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>On the cover of "Awake" I see...
I believe this was the subject of my first post. Anyone still have their lists of "Awake" images to repost for all those who joined after that discussion?
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>* trudged in the depths of winter snow [2:00] >* In my den of inequity [3:25] >* with desire unfulfilled (at least in the DOE version, I hear a very > distinct "un" before the word) [10:00] >* Utopia high in the sky [10:56]
>What the heck is the last line before the closing section? "They all >meet at twelve" and "the oft-beaten trail" don't do it for me... >mike thaxton >mrt0002@jove.acs.unt.edu
Your guess is as good as mine. So can I assume that James does this song live on "Dance of Eternity?" It would be good to have another source to listen to, to decipher this stuff that no one seems able to enunciate. (did someone say Charlie over-enunciated and James under-enunciated? Something tells me if Charlie sang ACOS, we'd understand every word.)
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>I just had a question for Mike Bahr and anyone else that has Subcon CD >already. Is the version of To Live Forever that is on there at the proper >speed? I have a tape of the vocalist auditions ( I think I got it from >Mike Burstin) and the few songs that James does are sped up a bit, thats >way he sounds like 15 year old girl! :) I have a 4 track record with a >pitch knob which slows down the tape speed and therefor also lowers the >pitch. When I played James' songs back with the pitch turned down a bit, >he sounds like he normally does, not as high.
>Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Is your copy of the Vocalist >tapes like this? Is Subcon like this?
Actually, "To Live Forever" done by John Hendricks and Steve Stone are at the same speed as James'. All three, from the vocalist audition tape, are played at the same speed by the rest of the band. And John Hendricks sounds exactly like all the other John Hendricks stuff I've heard. When James finishes singing, Kevin Moore says, "This just in from Baghdad. Seven patriot missiles have been spotted above Cuba." It sounds just like Kevin, same deep voice.
I heard "To Live Forever" from the "Lie" single before I heard it on the vocalist audition tapes. I wondered why they played it so fast on the auditions, or why they slowed it down so much for the "Lie" single, because they were at very different speeds... Do you suppose James might have asked them to slow it down back at that audition? I mean, they did do it acoustically...
To me James' voice is altogether higher on "I&W" than on "Awake." He even said in an interview that it was a conscious change in vocal style when they were recording "Awake." I figure those auditions were at least a year before the recording of "I&W," so it wouldn't surprise me if his vocal style had changed somewhat from 1991 to 1994. Lastly, I didn't really find James' voice to be that much higher on the audition than how it was on "I&W."
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:50:24 -0500 From: "Dan Tshin" <donews!danman> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Double Tracking? Message-ID: <m0s6UVC-000g7iC@george.orbonline.net>
> For a better example of double/triple tracking, why not dig out >your old copy of "Blizzard of Oz?" Randy (R.I.P.) triple tracked some of >his leads...scary.
Hey I thought Randy NEVER double or triple tracked!! I thought he played it AGAIN, NOTE for NOTE. Well.... ummm I may be wrong, but check out an interview done by Guitar (GFTPM) that they released a while back (posthumously, of course).
ANyways...
Take care
Dan ---------------> Dan Tshin >>>>> danman@io.org <<<<<-----------"Ryche"-+ Shad Valley Carleton '94 SuRvIvOr | _ _ | Homepage URL: http://www.io.org/~danman | ( /V\ ) | "Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with | M | words. Until then we'll light another candle for this world."| | | The faithful live Awake/The rest remain misled-Dream Theatre | | |
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:55:14 -0500 From: "Dan Tshin" <donews!danman> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT Poll Message-ID: <m0s6UZv-000g7iC@george.orbonline.net>
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 21:43:57 PDT >From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) >To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com >Subject: YTSEJAM POLL >Message-ID: <199504270443.VAA16778@netcom14.netcom.com>
>How many of you read EVERY single piece of mail off of ytsejam?
>-The Doc
No WAY! I have to skim through it. Sometimes it's way too much. I get the digest version, btw. If I don't check my mail for 2 or 3 days or more, then I'm swamped. I also used to save every copy of ytsejam. I have Ytsejam 568, and every one after that, except for the last couple. It's about 15-20 MB!
ANways..
That's my $ 0.02.
Still waiting for the SubConcious cd to show up in my mail box...
C-ya'll
Dan
---------------> Dan Tshin >>>>> danman@io.org <<<<<-----------"Ryche"-+ Shad Valley Carleton '94 SuRvIvOr | _ _ | Homepage URL: http://www.io.org/~danman | ( /V\ ) | "Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with | M | words. Until then we'll light another candle for this world."| | | The faithful live Awake/The rest remain misled-Dream Theatre | | |
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Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 22:48:14 EDT From: XMLV06A@prodigy.com (MR GEORGE L SORSBY) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Subconscious Message-ID: <013.06141592.XMLV06A@prodigy.com>
-- [ From: MR. TORGO MITCHELL MANOS * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Expanded recipient data: cc: george \ PRODIGY: (XMLV06A)
I just have to thank Mike for the CD, THANK YOU! It rules! Good job man. ACOS is awesome, all of the stuff is awesome. It was definately worth the wait, and that says a lot, I was ready for this thing since I mailed in my check! Hmm. you can have my teeth and one lymph node. Oh yeah, did anyone notice that the music fof A FORTUNE IN LIES was written by Dream TheatRE? oops. Thanks again Mike.
"I touched...", Dominici, AFTERLIFE GLS, (anc).
I don't think my post can ever be shorter than my sig! Nor my PS it seems.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:30:19 -0600 (MDT) From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Queensryche in Denver Message-ID: <9505030430.AA192199@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hey all, Please forgive me for the lack of DT content. I'm very excited about the QR show in Denver on the 9th. Speaking of which, I have backstage passes. I am just wondering if anyone has a burning question they've always wanted to ask someone in QR. Its not that I'm a suck conversationalist (as a philosophy student I'm just loaded with deep meaningful questions like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin* etc...?), I just thought that since I have the chance to meet them I might give you all a chance to have your own curious natures satisfied as well. So much for my altruistic intentions. Hey I'm no Mike Bahr! Anyhow, I won't mind if you send your questions direct to me in the interests of not clogging up the Ytsejam with non-DT related material. I'll post anything of interest that the other Gods (QR is still my favorite band despite the fact that DT is steadily overcoming them with every listen).
Tchus, Bracken
"...Without music, life would be an error." Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
* "Firstly, angels don't dance.... They may listen appreciately to the music of the spheres, but they don't feel the urge to get down and boogie to it. ... Then again, you might just as well ask how many demons can dance on the head of a pin. They're of the same original stock after all. And at least they dance. (Although its not what you and I would call dancing. Not good dancing anyway. A demon moves like a white band on "Soul Train.") ...But if you look really close up, the only problem about dancing on the head of a pin is all those big gaps between electrons." "Good Omens" Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett
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Date: Tue, 2 May 95 21:32:26 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: 93 million miles Message-ID: <9505030432.AA17810@tengs1.teng>
> > >"I have come 93 million light years to Earth, for I have heard > >across the galaxy about the greatness of an Earthling band named Dream > >Theater. However, my data storage format only allows me > >to take back 30 seconds of music on my ship...45 seconds maximum. > > 93 Million light years and the technology only permits 45 seconds of music? > Pretty absurd but this is an interesting thread. I have to answer.How about > the combined solos on Take the time? Or possibly the incredible chromatic > melody on CiaW? Remember, it's 1:30 at night, and my brain is shutting down. > -Steve
(93m miles is the approximate distance from the earth to the sun, btw)
How about most of the instrumental at the end of Innocence Faded? Possibly the best short jam they've done. Maybye the intro to LFAGA (you can throw away the rest of the song :)
Zach (Scott and Josh (Victor) - are you guys subscribed yet? send me mail so I have your address, you bastards !>)>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:24:25 -0400 From: AirDance@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Apology from ROSS666 Message-ID: <950503032419_105028820@aol.com>
Hi everyone,
Andrew ("Ross666" on AOL) apologized to me for selling Kevin's demos & assured me that they will be taken off his list of items for sale.
He seemed quite sincere, but I would still advise everyone to keep an eye on him. :)
Thanks for your support, you folks are the greatest! :)
Take care,
Jennifer <airdance@aol.com>
Q: "If you could play for anyone in the history of the universe, made-up or real, what would you play, for whom, and what shoes would you wear?"
A: "Lucifer. Penny Lane. Flipflops."
-Tori Amos, Q&A at UCLA 2-27-95
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:36:51 +0100 (BST) From: Lazarus - aka Simon Smith <sjs@st-andrews.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: I&W Tab in UK? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950503082737.3966E-100000@pasta>
Evenin' folks!
Rob Chinneck asked about the I&W Tab book. The singer in our band picked up a copy in London a few days ago, so I guess it's still available in Britain. Admittedly the book is now sitting in our flat where it gets opened, glared at, sworn at, glared at again, sworn at violently (as my flatmate - our guitarist - put it, Petrucci is a GIT...in the nicest possible sense! :) ) and then we all get on our knees and offer praise to the gods of prog. And no, I'm not starting the DT are/aren't p(P)rogressive thread again.
Give me a chance to find the address and phone no. of the place and I'll post it soon. Our Singer found it in Chappell's of Bond Street. Now where did I put that phone book?....
Lazarus
______________________________________ \ \_______ Lazarus - <sjs@st-and.ac.uk> \ How come you don't understand me? _____________ \__________ And how come I don't understand you? \__ \_________ Thirty years says we're in this together \_____ \_____________________ So open your eyes.... \ Keys, backing vox \______________ DT - Scarred \ & crap jokes for Ex Machina. \_________________\
Ex Machina WWW Page at: http://iamac.st-and.ac.uk/ExMachina/
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:49:29 -0700 From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ayn Rand, Dio, What is Progressive Music? Message-ID: <v01520c01abcc0a6a7ff4@[204.161.33.79]>
>On Ayn Rand. Thanks for all clarifications on my Sig posting from Atlas >Shrugged & Anthem. I just thought it was an interesting quote. There >appear to be a lot of INTELLIGENT people/good musicians on the Ystejam >board.
On Dio, he did vocals on 2 tracks on Kerry Livgren's first solo LP/tape/CD?, which was called 'Seeds of Change' (Mask of the Great Deceiver & Rising of the Son (or something similar, I don't have the listing in front of me)). He is a good vocalist.
Another point, What is progressive musis/Or? WHere do you draw the line. IMHO, one 'factor' is the use of Words & Images (DT content) to create both musical and imaginative(lyrical) imagery rather than the stuff you get with industrial pop sh_t. I don't ordinarily use public expletives, but pop deserves it. If I'd have to guess many Yjammers' taste in 'classical' art and music, I think there would be many who prefer the works of the Impressionists (Renoir, Degas, Van Gogh; Ravel, Debussy, Satie), since IMHO Progressive Music is the Impressionist art of today. Also, an empirical observation, with apologies to the guitar gods, a lot of Progressive music uses/shares alot of lead parts with keyboards.
>Also someone mentioned earlier that DT did a cover of 'Perfect Strangers' >(the Deep Purple piece?) Where does Purple fit in the Progressive skeme? >Although most would label them as hard rock/early metal, a lot of their >stuff borders on progressive (with guitar god Richie Blackmore, aka >Rainbow w/Dio). Also a group like Uriah Heep (once included John Wetton, >later, King Crimson, UK, Asia). Conversely, drummer Cozy Powell (Black >Sabbath) played the 'P' of ELP on the 'Welcome Back' album. A lot of the >good metal bands contain Progressive-like musicianship (the present >Metallica lead ax studied with guitar god Joe Satriani) Any takers? Maybe >more later; I've thought about this relationship between progressive and >metal quite a bit.
--Randall L. Braun
It felt like the impossible attempt to create a sensory image of non-existence --AYN RAND, Atlas Shrugged
Belief will always save me --DT, Scarred (see Romans 10:9-13)
Melody walks through the door and memory flies out the window and nobody knows what they want 'til they finally let it go --DT, 6:00 (see Matthew 10:34-39)
Am I ever gonna change, will I always stay the same say one thing,then I do the other same old song, goes on forever rise, rise n'shine, a new day is coming yes it is --Extreme, Who Cares? (see Romans 7:17-25)
cRap Musi is an oxymoron. (with apologies to Rush & Extreme) ^ | |________|
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Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 15:53:54 +0200 From: oltmans <C.J.Oltmans@research.ptt.nl> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 805 Message-ID: <01HQ2LM7E4K4LS45TX@dnlts0.research.ptt.nl>
Hi there,
FYI Dream Theater is playing in Holland on the 8th of july. This will be on Bospop with the Black Crowes.
Kees Jan Oltmans
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: James Message-ID: <199505031407.KAA21900@rpc08.gl.umbc.edu>
YO.
I just saw the Japan PPV vid last night <thanks to J Hartman>, and I must say that I've never heard James sound WORSE. Even when he was warming up in the dressing room he was cracking like a cheap champagne flute at a Kiri Te Kanawa concert. It was just awful. Not only James, but the bass just had way too much definition. Every time he started doing his signature John Myung licks his stings were slapping against the pickups so much that it actually did sound like someone stirring a big ole pot of spaghetti. That part of the show was bearable, though. It just made me wish that James went back to his I&W singing style--totally clean. I know its not _all_ his fault; DT never mixes the vocals high enough in the mix. Maybe their monitors suck or something. But I do know that if he would just quit putting that RASP in his voice, he would last a lot longer. He always talks about "his opera coach"; well, I wonder what she would say if she heard him singing like that. Just listen to Learning To Live or Innocence Faded--that's where he sings his highest notes, and he sounds _phenomenal_. In a way I hope The Gods are watching and he reads our grievances and takes note. I dont want DT to have TWO new members on their next album because another on burned out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is > <Dream control. Now | __||_ _|| __|| V || __| |_ | where it's at." > <they read my mind on |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / --Mike Portnoy, LiT > <the radio...But where|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"I think SpontanUity!"> <was the Garden of Eden?" szebro1@gl.umbc.edu --John Petrucci, X103> <--John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BOB HOLDER <BH7314@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: BH7314@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA Subject: VH Message-ID: <950503102720.202044be@LUNDY.NIAGARAC.ON.CA>
If you get a chance, go see Van Halen on their current tour. I saw them last night in Buffalo and the show was fantastic, but, Mr. Edward Van Halen had a fairly noticable limp while trying to move around on stage. Show lasted 2 hours with 1 encore of 3 songs and a 2nd encore of 1 song. Can't wait for Subconscious #80, pre-thanks Mike, post thanks to follow. See Ya, Bob "How can I see tomorrow if you keep me in the dark" Face against my soul - sUBHUMAN rACE - Skid Row
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 12:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Japaness Pay per view Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9505031246.D10333-a100000@bdmserver>
Can someone tell me exactly what is on this video???
---- on another note, has anyone heard from the dreg of society-Jeremy Haynes?
he lost his account, changed his phone number to an unlisted number, ans won't respond to his compuserve account.
DO NOT EVER TRADE WITH JEREMY HAYNES
Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ****GO ORIOLES!!!!**** ------------ ****GO CAPS!!!!!****
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Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:05:38 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: General DT request Message-ID: <9505031502.AA13543@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Hey folks,
Although I'm a subscriber to the ytsejam mailing list, my hectic real-life job prhobits me from keeping up in large part with the ytsejam digest, etc.
If anyone has the folling in text files on their system they could so gratiously forward to me viz EMAIL, I would greatly appreciate it:
1) The "lryics" to Eve
(oops, that should read Lyrics!) 2) The analysis that was done on Pull Me Under as it relates to Hamlet
Thanks in advance is anyone can help!
Buck buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com
Also, have any of the US summer tour dates been announced by East/West yet???
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 18:50:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 806 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950503184201.9636B-100000@alv.nada.kth.se>
Hi!
Once again catching up!
> From: Wilco Barg <WBG@suppcent.ges.getronics.nl> > Subject: Changing Seasons ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually the song is called 'A Change Of Seasons', and no, it hasn't been released yet. They're probably working on it right now and it will be released sometime this summer.
> From: miker@atn.com (Mike Rashas) > Subject: "Hey, hey, we're the Myung ones..."
I also worship Myung!
> ******************************** > * * > * Michael Rashas * > * miker@atn.com * > * "Have bass, will travel" * > * * > ********************************
I also have a bass, and I will hopefully also travel ;-)
> From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel) > Subject: drum-clinic > > I don`t know what 'clinic' means exactly, but during the European tour, > Mike played at two drum shops in Germany for one and a half hours each, > answering questions and so on. I read about this in Mike`s tour diary.
That's a clinic, right on, cool!!!
(BTW, check out the new awesome EXTREME-album if you haven't done that yet! Anyone knows of touring-plans for them in Europe?)
/Mats
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