YTSEJAM Digest 1098
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I&W girl
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
2) mind control
by WAL R VAN DER <R.van.der.Wal@cpedu.RUG.NL>
3) Re: Some general observations
by Check out my nub! <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
4) RE: Dream Theater Video of The Forum
by P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
5) Re: Birch Hill tickets.....
by jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
6) The NIN thingy
by "What's Happening?" <kernst@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
7) gazebo's on single cover
by hiw100@psu.edu (Cornholio)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1096
by "Brad E. Kessler" <bekessle@mailbox.syr.edu>
9) Light fuse and get away
by happe@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
10) T-SHIRT UPDATE/EXTRAS
by Jason Giles <jgiles@crl.com>
11) Re: Led Zep's got Stairway, DT has ???
by eiagm@eznet.net
12) DT's cover tunes
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
13) Re: YTSE & JAM
by jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu
14)
by Heather_Bontrager@student.ambassador.edu
15) Malibu ID, Happy "Helloween", WildKoba?!?!
by Fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
16)
by sir@micron.net
17) SUPERIOR - Check these Guys out!!!
by Jason Skewes <jskewes@why.net>
18) fan club
by sir@micron.net
19) guitarworld
by sir@micron.net
20) Re: Masquerade? and AD
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
21) Re: Ytse & Jam
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
22) 96.1 here played PMU, and called it a "pretty cool techno song", so , I guess that means that you *CAN* compare NIN and DT...
by Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
23) HELP! What address do I send the Operation: Revolution mail to?
by Dan Kidney <dkidney@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
24) did someone say "tarkus"????
by WildKoba@aol.com
25) Re: Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai
by Check out my nub! <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
26) Ytse vs. Jam
by Chris Crowder <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
27) MTV, "6:00", Page/Plant
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
28) Re: Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
29) Rand and DT
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
30) Is the Ytsejam like a huge co-ed fraternity?
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:34:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: I&W girl
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951031123143.7109A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Ben asked what she was holding. I think it's a small mirror, something
real ornate, maybe pewter. My great grandmother actually used to have a
mirror kind of like that.
$0.02
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:54:21 +0100 (MET)
From: WAL R VAN DER <R.van.der.Wal@cpedu.RUG.NL>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: mind control
Message-ID: <3AE090C61FB@novell_cpedu1.cpedu.rug.nl>
dear jammers,
Last saturday I bought 'mind control'(hfl. 55 = about $30), the
bootleg. The quality is superb and the music fantastic. I don't like
LSoaD on awake that much but on mind control it's very cool. It has
an instrumental part of about 9 min. at the end of it where JP lays
down a very Vai-ish guitar solo. Very, very cool. Also included are
tears and the silent man (live in Europe). Here's the tracklist:
cd 1
pull me under
6:00
caught in a web
take the time
lifting shadows off a dream
the mirror/lie
cd 2
another day
erotomania
voices
the silent man
metropolis
bonus:
tears
the silent man
Ceeya
Rogier van der Wal
n0790176@cpedu.rug.nl
#walking the fine line between pagan and christian - steve vai#
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:53:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Check out my nub! <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Some general observations
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951031125248.28710B-100000@eehpx7.cen.uiuc.edu>
I'm willing to dub copies for anyone in the midwest. Mail me for info.
I'm located in Champaign, Illinois.
Ed
PS: Have you heard of Scheme? If so, HELP!!!
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
DT: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/dt/dt.htm
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You walk into a room to find only a
dead man, shot through the head, a
table, and fifty-three bicycles on
the floor. What happened?
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- finger polzin@students.uiuc.edu -
- for the answer -
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On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Michael Bahr wrote:
> Hello again all...
>
> Time for a list.
>
> 1. Now that I'm actually Out of Acoustic Dreams Cds, I totally authorize
> any and all non-profit copying of the contents to fans who didn't have a
> chance to get the CD. All I ask is that you not come to *me* for a
> cassette or DAT copy as I am hard at work on WDATU and Antiquities. :)
> Trey Allen has a good thing going with his Subconscious dub sites... my
> hedge bet is that half of them or more can do Acoustic Dreams as well.
>
> 2. There will be another list of orders and update and everything posted
> soon... tonight if I _can_, tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. Sorry
> about the delays... mid terms ya know.
>
> 3. Someone said the production on Acoustic Dreams is better than on
> WDADU??! Thanks! That's a mega compliment... after all, a real producer
> in a real studio did WDADU, and I just winged it with my rig here.
>
> 4. Why the last two songs on Acoustic Dreams (Voices and Bad) are not
> listed on the label. The quality of the last two isn't so hot, so I
> decided not to put them on the label so that you wouldn't think "aw gee,
> I paid for THESE?" and to effectively denote them "Bonus Tracks". They
> were really just afterthoughts that I put on there because they weren't
> going to fit in with any of my near-future CD themes, and I thought you'd
> all get a kick out of them.
>
> 5. Someone e-mailed me about a special thing that happened in their life
> with Acoustic Dreams, where a friend got it as soon as she recovered from
> a big-time illness. It was really special to hear about it and I'm always
> interested in things that happen to people where Dream Theater, my discs,
> or just prog rock in general are concerned. Some of us have been on this
> list for a couple years now (has it been that long??) and we know each
> other as well as if we lived down the block. That's a sense of community
> I don't see much of here on the big bad net. So if something COOL is
> happening in your life and you can link it to Dream Theater somehow, post
> it to the Jam! I'm sure everyone will appreciate hearing about it. After
> all, it isn't a poll, a post about BM or NIN, a flame, a complaint about
> the number of Jams, or another goddamn long-ass list from _me_. :)
>
> 6. There is no number six.
>
> 7. So far reservations for WDATU are steadily accumulating. I am sure
> this CD will be a particularly successful effort. I hope the sound is up
> to par... I've had it specially remastered this time (unlike AD, which
> was already good) from the soundboard originals, and a scant few audience
> tapes.
>
> 8. Point of interest. Mike Portnoy mentioned to me that they have only
> played Light Fuse and Get Away live TWICE with James as singer! Lucky us we
> found one of those. He wasn't kidding when he told me way back when that
> I'd have some searching to do. :)
>
> 9. Halloween is coming. For mood music, I recommend Rush's "The
> Necromancer", "By-Tor and the Snow Dog", and "La Villa Strangiato". Also
> Dokken's "Into The Fire", "Dream Warriors", and "Mr. Scary"; Type O
> Negative's entire catalogue; finally by our very own DT, "A Change of
> Seasons". (tell me does anything else _really_ fit by DT?)
>
> 10. Remember to write to mtvmail@aol.com tomorrow asking for Anybody
> Listening! It JUST MIGHT WORK. And if it dosen't... well, all you did was
> write an e-mail. How tough could it be?
>
> Take it ez...
>
> Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:50:40 +0000
From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: Dream Theater Video of The Forum
Message-ID: <"3816*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>
There was a video of Dream Theater at The Forum in London March
15th 1995 ( also said Fates Warning) plus some songs from Ronnie
Scotts, 110 minutes in all, 20 pounds ($30) in Camden Market in
London on Saturday (28th). I did not buy it as there was no way
to check the quality. This is just for your information. I will
not return to buy it. It will be UK format. Patricia
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:21:29 -0500 (EST)
From: jbako01 <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Birch Hill tickets.....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951031151920.15048A-100000@barney>
On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, An Angel's Kiss... wrote:
> Someone please explain this to me......
> I was at Willowbrook Mall in NJ yesterday, and they have a ticket
> center there (it's not TicketFuck), so I look up on the board, and
> they have tickets for the DT show at the Birch Hill, so I say to
> myself "Let me buy a ticket now, just in case I will be able to go
> to the show". I walk up to the window and order a ticket. The
> person at the counter says, "OK, that'll be $22.50". Wow, that's
> pretty steep, I think, but they probably raised the price on it.
> I get the ticket, get home, and lo and behold, I realize that I
> paid AN 80% SERVICE CHARGE FOR THE GODDAMN TICKET!!!!!. The face
> value on the ticket is $12.50, and it says $15 at the door. Why,
> then, do I pay $10 extra for my ticket. Could be me, but is this
> really possible to do. I mean I know that TM has like a $5-$7.50
> charge, but doubling the price of the ticket!!! That's absolutely
> ridiculous. Someone please tell me if this is correct/legal/what-
> ever.......
>
>
> Al Balkiewicz
> vocals, Half Naked
>
I for one am GLAD you got ripped off, much like you've ripped off me and
several other people on the 'jam when it comes to tape trading.
Yes, I think you've got what was coming to you; no, I never forget.
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 15:25:28 EST
From: "What's Happening?" <kernst@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The NIN thingy
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.815171128.kernst@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
Hello 'jammers,
I know I'm new and maybe I shouldn't say anything, but let's face it people:
NIN sucks
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:48:05 -0500
From: hiw100@psu.edu (Cornholio)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: gazebo's on single cover
Message-ID: <199510312148.QAA51682@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
This is what I sent to Chris about the cover that he was talking about in
one of the last jams and I forget which single it is. Silent Man?
>Chris,
>Think about what its purpose is...a place to relax and get away. also, a
place that provides shelter. your thinking is done. :)
>Later mon,
>Howard
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:26:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Brad E. Kessler" <bekessle@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1096
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951031172546.14599B-100000@kong.syr.edu>
How do you get off this listing. no offence, but it is just crowding up
my folder
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:41:17 -0600 (CST)
From: happe@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Light fuse and get away
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951031133808.687957467C-100000@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Someone mentioned something about getting Light Fuse and Get Away on a
live tape. That is my favorite song on WDADU (has some incredible
progressions and really strange segues from verse to chorus) and I always
wondered why they played something as "benign" as Status Seeker over
LFAGA. What tape is this and how can I get it?
Rocketboy >>I'll be your satellite of love<<
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:31:32 -0800
From: Jason Giles <jgiles@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: T-SHIRT UPDATE/EXTRAS
Message-ID: <199510312231.AA09312@crl.crl.com>
good news: the shirts are expected to arrive today or tomorrow
bad news: the shirt company forgot to send the XXLs, so they'll be
arriving in a few days
good news: if you didn't order a shirt, and your size is XL, you're
in luck, because the shirt company printed up 15 extra XLs, so you can
still get one if that's your size. If not, sorry I don't have other sizes
(i might, but not until the dust settles). So, here's the shirt info
once more, ignore all order dates, and availability of sizes, since
XL is the only size I will for sure have extras of (woah, there's a well-
structured sentence! no time for grammar!).
Thanks for the bandwidth,
jason
jgiles@crl.com
---------SHIRT INFO------------
Here goes:
The shirts are black 100% pre-shrunk cotton, with the Majesty logo on the
front breast. Underneath it 'ytesejam the internet mailing digest' is written.
On the back there is a large DREAM THEATER logo, with 'let the light surround'
you written in greyish, glow in the dark ink.
The cost is $14 each, domestic shipping included. Foreign shipping is an
additional $4 per item (except Australia and Germany, who add $6 per item).
There is no increase for Canadian orderers.
Sizes are S, M, L, XL, XXL (+$1.00), XXXL (+$1.50). My deadline for orders
is October 15th, 1995. Please send your money, as I plan on ordering by that date, and
having them by the end of October for shipment to all orderers. Send money to
Jason Giles, 3200 Payne Ave. #525, San Jose, CA 95117. Checks or cash, or
money orders are fine (the non-bouncing kind of check is the only kind
I'll accept. ;-))
Please e-mail me your order, with (1) size, (2) quantity, (3) YOUR SHIPPING
address, (4) your e-mail address and (5) how much your sending me. I will
confirm your order via e-mail, at which time you should send out the money.
Orders or questions: e-mail me at JGILES@CRL.COM
View them on-line before ordering:
WWW: http://www.crl.com/~jgiles/shirts.html
FTP: ftp.crl.com, directory: /users/jg/jgiles, login: anon., passwd:e-mail add
files via anonymous ftp are GIFs or UUE files. Check em out! now back to
your regularly scheduled program...
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:30:57 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Led Zep's got Stairway, DT has ???
Message-ID: <199510312257.RAA09919@mail1.eznet.net>
> I'm talking about signature song here, folks. When the run-of-the-mill
> music fan thinks of Zep, the first song that ususally comes to mind is
> Stairway to Heaven (of course, we on the jam immediately think of
> Rover/Achilles/SRtS)....Unfortunately, perhaps, there is no song that
> would identify DT to the Mass Public like Stairway for Zeppelin,
> (PMU comes the closest)
> so the question of the day is:
> What one song do you think represents DT best?
> Personal choice here is Metropolis, pt 1, for its multiple individual
For Led Zep, the song that is their best and most represents them, is
Kashmir, IMO (in Page's opinion too, btw). For DT, their best song
is voices, again in mine and Myung's opinion. Before any of you
accuse me of having no thoughts of my own, I will say these were my
opinions before I read the interviews where the band member's opinion
was expressed.
Voices has the best singing in any DT song ("So speak, I'm right
here... She used to say to me....not a word..not a word etc -
brilliant!). It also has the best guitar solo in any DT song -
toward the end, just before the infamous Cassandra passage, it hangs
together as a unified piece of music better than many of their songs,
despite its length. The bass section is extremely intelligent, and
the lyrics reflect such utter confusion. Look at this one line:
"Should I turn on my religion,
These demons in my head, tell me to"
This one line could go either way - does turn "on" religion mean to
turn it on, like a light, or turn away from it, or turn toward it in
anger? Are the demons personal ones, or more of a "Christian"
conception of demons? Is the demon's advice good for him, or bad? I
could go on...
Mike Stover
eiagm@eznet.net
http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"He who can copy, can do" - Leonardo Da Vinci
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:57:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT's cover tunes
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.951031165330.7385F-100000@timon.acu.edu>
Greetings,
This will be an uncharactaristically short post for me because I
have to go to work.
Am I the only person who would rather hear Dream Theater play an
entire version of Achilles Last Stand or Heart of the Sunrise rather than
a medly with parts of both?
Dont' get me wrong, I'd rather hear the medly than nothing at all
but given the choice...
kyle
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:22:33 -0500 (EST)
From: jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSE & JAM
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951031182113.108212A-100000@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Bafu:
You have waaaaayyyyyy too much time on your hands!!
:)
Jodi
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:49:15 -0600
From: Heather_Bontrager@student.ambassador.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <096b6170@student.ambassador.edu>
To whom it may concern,
I would like some information on costs (if applies) and
what exactly the digest form is as opposed to the other form
before I subscribe. Heather Bontrager
Heather_Bontrager@student.Ambassador.edu
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:50:34 -0800
From: Fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Malibu ID, Happy "Helloween", WildKoba?!?!
Message-ID: <199510312350.PAA02208@ix6.ix.netcom.com>
Just wanted to say that Malibu is VERY strict when it comes to ID..make
sure you have it (18 and over) or they wont let you in.
Everyone must go right now and play the song "Halloween" by the group
Helloween. Those who don't will be turned into an ugly half-priced
selling pumpkin!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, WildKoba, from reading your posts I thin kI know who you are.
Does this sound familiar.."Batteries Not Included" songs like rusted
curtain or something like that???
I agree with you on the Japan vid, LaBrie sounds HORRIBLE, arrogant
too. Like when he tells the crowd, "Don't speak to me until I learn
your language." Its funny seeing them accepting those awards and when
Petrucci slams the reporters mic at the end.
Cheers,
Carlo
-- | [] | |] | ******* ** | [] | |] | "For one flickering moment, he seemed to catch | [| an image, one he found both exciting and disturbing: | [] | |] | an enormous tower constructed of dark and sooty ****** ** ** stone, standing in a field of red roses. Slit ** **** ** windows twisted up its sides in a brooding spiral." |] | | [| | [] | "Go then, there are other worlds than these." |] | ** *** *** ** --Stephen King ** **** **** (The Gunslinger: Dark Tower series)------------------------------
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:53 MST From: sir@micron.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Message-ID: <m0tAQUJ-000Qe3C@mis01.micron.net>
Ed: They were playing poker and one of them cheated:-{)
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:08 PST From: Jason Skewes <jskewes@why.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: SUPERIOR - Check these Guys out!!! Message-ID: <m0tAQjF-0000PXC@donews.cts.com>
Do yourself a BIG favor and check out a great prog-rock album by a band that just happens to feature guitar player and Ytsejamer - Bernd Basmer. (basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de)
His band is called Superior - their album is called 'behind'. I would say the album is along the same lines as Savatage's 'Edge of Thorns'.
I will be putting sample sound files on my web page soon - I'll keep you posted.
The CD clocks in at 56:25 with 10 tracks. The album is full of incredible rhythms and melodies. My favorite tracks are: 'Why' and 'Hades'.
'Why' is of epic proportions at 9:40. Beginning with a beautiful piano introduction, the song pulls you in by the heart. 'Hades' is a straight-ahead heavy tune in the Savatage/Pantera/DT vein.
The entire album is a prog-metal fan's feast. GET A COPY!!!!
Later. Jas
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:17 MST From: sir@micron.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: fan club Message-ID: <m0tAQrh-000QdxC@mis01.micron.net>
Anyone thinking about joining the fan club should just forget it. You send in the check for 16 bucks, get the cancelled check back and that's it. Others have told the same story, so just don't bother. They just want your money. BTW kahn's interpretation of voices was the best post ever. I wish he'd do the same thing for some other DT songs (hint, hint)...
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:49 MST From: sir@micron.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: guitarworld Message-ID: <m0tARMp-000QeSC@mis01.micron.net>
Has anybody seen the latest Guitar World? It looks like we might have to send a bunch of letters to them too. It's a special alternative guitar issue!! It isn't that special considering that most of their issues are alternative/grunge.
Craig
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:04:12 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Masquerade? and AD Message-ID: <9511010104.AA16682@tengs1.teng>
> > I was at a local music shop today, and i picked up their weekly magazine > type thingy. On the backpage was a full page ad from Metalblade > Records. Nothing about Fates, but there was this blurb about a band > called Masquerade, supplemented by this comment by Kerrang "the air is > filled with the electric atmosphere of Queensryche, Dream Theater, even > Soundgarden." So has anyone heard them and/or know anything about them? > I'm kind of interested since I haven't been able to find any Ivanhoe or > Shadow Gallery, and I am looking for something new. > > Keith Aspinall
I was at The Boardwalk in Sacramento back in Jan. and this dude was sitting at the bar with a box of free tapes that he was giving away of a band called Masquerade. He noticed me for my ytsejam shirt. I think he said they were from Atlanta, but I could be wrong. This is probably the same band since he said that DT was one of their biggest influences. I only listened to it a few times, but it sounded pretty good. I'll listen to it again tomorrow and post a review.
Zach
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 21:04:58 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Ytse & Jam Message-ID: <9511010204.AA02265@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Bafu.
You are a very sick man. Seek professional (psychological) help as soon as possible.
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:39:35 -0700 (MST) From: Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: 96.1 here played PMU, and called it a "pretty cool techno song", so , I guess that means that you *CAN* compare NIN and DT... Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951031123628.6017A-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
96.1 here played PMU, and called it a "pretty cool techno song", so I guess that means that you *CAN* compare NIN and DT...
A "Mad dog shaven head bottle boy Freak" aka John Haveman --------------------------------------------------------------- I act the role in a classic style of a martyr carved with a twisted smile To bleed the lyric for this song to write the rites to right my wrongs an epitaph to a broken dream to excorcise this silent scream A scream that's borne from sorrow - _Script for a Jester's Tale_ - Fish
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:37:30 -0600 (CST) From: Dan Kidney <dkidney@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: HELP! What address do I send the Operation: Revolution mail to? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951031213459.35108D-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>
HELP! I only wrote down one address (mtvmail@aol.com) and I got my letter back with a message that says "mail undeliverable: mailbox full". That's VERY cool but I'd sure like to get in my 2 or 3 cents worth. I don't know if I can get a reply in time but it's worth a shot! Please mail me personally if you read this before November 1!
--Dan
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:52:12 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: did someone say "tarkus"???? Message-ID: <951031225211_79676378@mail06.mail.aol.com>
yeah...i think it was neil gallop......what a great album (by a great band)....
tarkus.....mmmmmmmmmm
close to the edge, another gem, so is foxtrot.....
mmmmmm
merry chrsitmas on this over-commercialized holiday.
i think i'll dress up as john myung!
whatever....
david "it pays to have perfect pitch" kobayashi
ps- waiting for someone to want to kill bafu vai and laugh (not that i wish him dead, but it'll be funny indeed)
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:11:13 -0600 (CST) From: Check out my nub! <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951031221024.2961E-100000@eehpx7.cen.uiuc.edu>
> in Arizona to get James Labrie back for walking off the stage and making > him sing the end of a song several years ago? hmmm..... > I'm just curious. I heard this before on the jam and wondered about it. What happened with this?
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:26:34 CST From: Chris Crowder <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu> To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ytse vs. Jam Message-ID: <00998B68.668237C0.80@postman.harding.edu>
A big YAHOO!!! to Bafu Vai with his Ytse vs. Jam comedy break chat. Man, Bafu, that was halarious!!! People were looking at me in the VAX lab while I was reading it because I was laughing so hard! Well, that's another one for Bafu Vai and his zany antics!
Later fella's, Chris Crowder (A devoted Dream Theatre and Rush fan)
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: MTV, "6:00", Page/Plant Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951031233210.228808C-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
So, I don't have MTV up here at school. Someone please let us all know how we did with O:R!
Anyway, I asked this a while ago, and nobody answered. (Maybe it was my subject heading? Ben, any answers?) Anyway, there's a strange noise at the end of "6:00." Not a noise, really. What it sounds like to me is that Mike punched in and sort of flubbed the beat. You can hear it on the word "clock" of the third "6:00 on a Xmas morning." It sounds like it would be next to impossible to do whatever that is live (then again, I'm not a drummer). So, folks, what is that?
Finally, the topic of Page/Plant came up about a week ago on the Van Halen list, and some heated debate was exchanged. The basic gist of the argument was "Page and Plant are (doing great things to/destroying) the old classics." Random ramblings ensued about Plant's voice, their drummer and bassist, etc. Just wondering if there is a general consensus out there. (And, for God's sake, keep it flameless!) If this thread gets carried away, I'd be glad to continue it over private e-mail. (You're welcome, Ken.)
Yes, this is a "related discussion." Confer track 4 of _ACoS_.
-Chris
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My parents went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu .sig file. http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:42:11 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Mike Bahr, Bafu Vai Message-ID: <199511010542.VAA26873@netcom9.netcom.com>
Actually... Mike Bahr is Mike Portnoy!! Ah shit... I shouldn't have let that out... and his e-mail is: durnik@indirect.com... I was kicking back with him in AZ and we went and visited with Mark Zonders... hung out and had a few beers... we were rockin... then we went over to the studio and checked out the Mapex set while Zonders was telling Portnoy how much better his GMS was...
;)
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:51:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Rand and DT Message-ID: <199511010551.AA12174@crl10.crl.com>
Andy Tillotson wondered if John Myung had read ATLAS SHRUGGED...
Yep! In fact, if you look a little deeper in that passage, you'll see it scans almost the same meaning as the verse in "Learning to Live." John M. has acknowledged that indeed, he was influenced by Ayn Rand at that point.
-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... I would raise a shelter to the sky... And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... ------ Dream Theater, "Surrounded" Paul C., vanyel@crl.com -----
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 01:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Is the Ytsejam like a huge co-ed fraternity? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951031232653.24657G-100000@serss1>
TicketBastard in NJ knows where I live now - they also have lots of my money. I have the three other people I need. But if anyone backs out, I will inform y'all.
Acoustic Dreams arrived today! :) Mike has outdone himself. George Fan has rendered a beautiful cover illustration. BOTH deserve a Price Club size canister of thanks and all that other good stuff.
Being a DT fan is more than just fact. It is an all-consuming experience and almost like a family unit. There are people I am friends with just because they are DT fans. No, wait, that's not entirely true - most often, other DT fans have many common interests, both musical and non-musical.
The band we all hold in such high esteem doesn't get the attention that many of us feel they deserve. It is a very small, close-knit group of us with knowledge of something wonderful that others are not always receptive to, and it is a source of elation when we learn of another joining our ranks.
Okay okay, so y'all are asking what parallel/analogy am I drawing here. What I have said leads me to the following conclusion: Being a Dream Theater fan is not unlike membership in a fraternal organization.
DT fans are brought together by the music. In a fraternal organization, the rituals and traditions bind a loose collection of separate chapters into a cohesive unit.
During my time as an active member of my fraternity, we have a semesterly event called Rush. At some schools it's an annual event. We organize events designed to get acquainted with prospective members and get them familiar and interested in the fraternity - events where we served alcohol and events where we did not. Some people actively seek out a fraternity while others are 'stealth-rushed.' How many of us have loaned our friends copies of our DT albums or made them sit down and listen to some DT? Some of us heard about DT and bought either I&W or Awake to check them out. Those that liked either CD became hardcore fans, while others might have passed. Likewise, those who get along with the guys well end up pledging and eventually becoming full members. Those that did not find the guys to their liking joined a different fraternity or just stayed independent.
Whenever I've met a fellow Zete (rhymes with "eight", a member of the Zeta Psi Fraternity of North America), from my chapter or another, there was always something to talk about, and an understanding madated by our mutual allegiance dicated that we acted to engender a sense of mutual help and brotherly love. Though we share the same secret rituals, some of our local chapter traditions were the same as others, and some were different. For instance, the design of the pledge program at various chapters had many similarities and differences. It was always a great source of enjoyment when we related our chapter traditions to a brother from another chapter and we would hear of theirs.
When fellow Ytsejammers e-mail privately, talk on the phone, or meet in person, we relate our stories about how we got into DT, what our favorite songs/passages are, trade bootlegs and memorabilia, or just BS about nothing in particular just as we would with other like-minded individuals.
The idea of mutual help and brotherly love exists in fraternal organizations. In a time of need, I could call any Zete, anywhere, anytime. They would not hesitate to render assistance in any way they can. I would do the same for my brother Zetes. The most treasured moment in all of our history was when a Union soldier lay wounded on the battlefield. A Confederate officer spied the badge upon his breast and he too a Zete saw to it that the Union soldier got the medical attention that saved his life.
When any of us post a request for a favor, a Subconscious dub, information, the request is almost always granted. I got an excellent response when I asked if any FL or GA area jammers were interested in sharing a ride to the show at Birch Hill. As of now, Jay Peele, Paul Lapinski and my non-jammer friend are accompanying me. People I have never met before are willing to spend over 50 hours together in an enclosed space with me and someone else that they've never met.
The general public holds many myths to be true about the Greek system. It is not party-central 24/7/365. We do not "buy our friends." Involvment in a philantropy goes beyond a monetary donation. Hazing is dealt with seriously. Some activities that might be considered hazing are only according to the letter of the law, not the spirit. Most fraternities play it smart and safe. Some have abolished "Hell Week." However, some do lapse into the 'Animal House' image from time to time, and the one hazing incident is enough to discredit thousands of hours of community service. I won't dispel these myths here for space considerations. E-mail me privately if you are interested in hearing the truths to answer these myths.
The general public is misinformed about DT. I have met several people who have just dismissed them as another metal band without having even listened to one note. I was conspicuously happy when _Awake_ was released. Someone asked my why I was in such a good mood. I told them that I had just gotten the new Dream Theater CD. The immediate reply was "THEY SUCK!!! They're metal, and all metal sucks." Most people have just simply never even heard of DT.
I and many others have been the target of scorn because we wear Greek letters. In some previous jams, people have related that they (I included) have been the subject of scorn for being into prog-rock/metal.
The similarites go further, but if you're still with me at this point, you've got the idea. Believe it or not, I've tried my best to edit this post down!!!
--<Elliott Kim>--<ekim01@fiu.edu>--<Florida International University>--
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