YTSEJAM Digest 1158
Today's Topics:
1) Re: New Thread! JM's bass
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1147
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
3) I saw Mike on Sat
by Lev Pelekh <lqp7160@is.nyu.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1157
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
5) SDV Samples
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Stuff about Malibu
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
7) Concept album
by Qghost@aol.com
8) Satch tour
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
9) YTSEJAM digest 1157 -Reply
by Wim Slabbekoorn <wslabb@mail.HZeeland.nl>
10) Hello everyone!
by "HILMI A" <ep180@city.ac.uk>
11) Savatage/Dead Winter Dead (NDTC)
by Brian Reichow <reic0010@gold.tc.umn.edu>
12) Who ever reads this shit????
by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1153
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
14) What DT don't have...
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 0:43:59 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: New Thread! JM's bass
Message-ID: <9511270543.AA16821@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I always liked the bass sound on WDADU. How was that produced and could
they produce it again for the new album? I mean that was a powerful bass
sound and coupled with Derek's crunchy organ it would make for some really
cool sounds. I mean James's singing in his grungier voice, JP's crunchy
guitar, JM's bass like it was on WDADU Derek's organ and MP's Awake drums?
Oh, baby. Maybe it would sound cool.
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 0:47:57 EST
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1147
Message-ID: <9511270547.AA25140@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
DT did play EVE on the IAW tour several times. I know that it was on my
copy of Milan 93 without the samples. I wonder why Kevin never put the
samples on the studio version.
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:37:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Lev Pelekh <lqp7160@is.nyu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I saw Mike on Sat
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951127011601.2703C-100000@is.nyu.edu>
I hardly ever write to the list, but this is exeptional.
Me and two of my friends were in the line for tickets in Limelight
(NYC) when I saw Mike Portnoy walking by few feet away. I couldn't believe
my eyes at first but than I put myself together and went to catch up with
him. I felt kind of stupid since I felt like I should do something, but I
didn't know what to say when I come up to him. Well I did come up to him
eventually. All I had wits for is to make sure it was really him (it was),
ask him a couple of questions, complement him on his work and get an
autograph. Among other things, what I found out from him is that DT just
started working on the new album and that they will do ACOS in full on the
Malibu gig. I feel like I should have done something I don't know what.
ANy suggestions? What would you do if you saw a DT member on the street?
Well, just felt like sharing.
Leo.
Good one, isn't it?
http://pages.nyu.edu/~lqp7160
Home of Dream Theater and Aria pages.
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 02:51:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1157
Message-ID: <199511270951.CAA21919@bud.indirect.com>
Hi all! Lotsa neat things.
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 11:20:50 -0800
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: My last public words on religion
> Message-ID: <199511261920.LAA13178@cats.ucsc.edu>
>
> I won't bother replying to the insult, just the content. The discussion
> would also die out quickly if the religious nuts wouldn't expect it as their
> right to rub their religion in our noses without a response. After all,
> it's part of their belief to "convert the non-believers" right? feh. Any
NO.
NO, NO, a thousand times no. This is the single biggest
piss-me-offer of all the non-religious arguments: that all religious
people have nothing better to do with their day than pursue the pagans.
I mean, think about it: wouldn't that be ludicrous if it were true??
To all of you who think like Chris does: readjust your conclusions on
this issue. The only MAJOR religions that actually go around trying to
force you to be a part of it are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and
Evangelical variants of Protestantism. (not all!) Most forms of
Protestantism (and there are dozens of them), all forms of Catholicism
and Orthodox Christianity, and scores of other religions do not "rub
their religion in your noses".
I'm a Roman Catholic. It is NOT a part of my religion that I am
supposed to look down at non-Catholics or non-believers... it is NOT a
part of my religion that I have a duty to "bring them to God". If it
really means a lot to me that a specific person somewhere does not
believe, my religion says I should pray for that person, and try to be as
understanding as possible of their position. In fact, that's the exact
same language the Pope also used when dealing with the issues of
homosexuality and such. If only he was that understanding on the abortion
issue... it's too polarizing for me to be a part of. But again, to
reiterate: we are taught to appreciate and respect their position. Do not
condemn, do not interfere, and do not insist that
they are doomed to hell. Pray for them in private, on your own time, and
try to be a good friend when you can. That's it.
Incidentally, most branches of Christianity do _not_ believe that
non-believers are headed straight to hell. Early views of this are
illustrated in Alighieri Dante's "Inferno/the Divine Comedy", but the
modern view is a bit different. In the modern doctrine, the only way one
can be sent to hell is to come into the fullness of knowing Christ and
his forgiveness for us, and to still reject even _that_. And we're not
supposed to even get a shot at it until after we die, so it's not
something that's any of our business to press upon other people.
> ANY further reply is welcome in Email. I will not respod to the jam on this
> matter again, even if I am insulted in public.
I hope you took my response as a logical and factual one and not
as an insult... it's my aim to get as many facts out into the open as
possible so that people like you don't feel threatened by the presence of
people like me.
And now, that's about all I plan to ever say on the Jam about
religion. I'm sorry to all those who were annoyed by it. I've already
said too much. Religion is a personal thing; the most personal thing of
all, actually. I hope all of your own religions, whatever form they may
take (or none at all), lead you down the path that is right for you.
> Bafu Vai. (Sorry...required content).
Bafu bafu bafu. Sounds almost like a Japanese street name. :) (I
just watched some anime' movies, so I'm in sort of a Japanese kind of
mood today. Those animated films are so good...) Required Bafu content.
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 17:49:43 -0600 (CST)
> From: "Dr. Teeth" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: New Thread! Good God!!!
> Message-ID: <01HY3UXFX4FM006RU5@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
>
> Okay, the Ytsejam's in desperate need of a new thread, so try this one on for
> size:
>
> Our beloved DT is coming out with a completely new album this July.
> (This is ALL the info I have on it so far, so don't ask...)
>
> What would you like to hear on it?
Yes yes yes!! Good thread! I'm on it already. :)
> Idea #1: A song that's written by Derek. Hell, he could include lyrics too.
> Just a "Get to know him" song to see what exactly he can bring to the band.
> Certainly it should be keys-oriented with an extended keys solo. (Something we
> really haven't seen since I&W.) We know he has a cool grinding Hammond organ
> sound, but can he expand on this? Can he be smooth as well as crunchy? Only
> time will tell.
I must concur and hope it will come to pass. We need to see
what sort of ideas Derek will express now that he has the chance. Playing
keyboards for Alice Cooper and Kiss dosen't exactly put a person in the
drivers' seat for theme and direction. :)
> Idea #2: A song that features John Myung with a Kick-Ass bass groove.
> Something along the lines of a Les Claypool type song. They can do jazz, they
> can do bluesy stuff (in concert), but can they pull off funk? Should they?
> I'd really love to hear this next album have a bigger fatter bass. It's so
> often hidden and I'm afraid a lot of Myung's genius is lost because of a
Hmmm... a thwippety twangety bass sort of song. It could happen.
I wonder what sort of lyrical or musical theme would fit in with this?
Myung's real-life lyrics and Petrucci's myth and mystery won't work.
Moore is gone, but his betrayal and love lyrics wouldn't have worked
either. James' writing style can fit the bill, and Portnoy's perhaps even
better. (remember the thesaurus that was the original ACOS?) Ironically,
Derek might be best suited to write such a song. I'd hope he didn't
though, since we still need to hear that he can be "a PART of what IS
Dream Theater".
> Idea #3: WDADU and I&W are decidedly less "Heavy" than Awake and ACoS. Though
> ACoS is slightly less heavy than Awake. So where should this heaviness go on
> their next album? Hmmm. Personally I like the heavy stuff, but I can see a
> limit with DT. I'd say that The Mirror/Lie is about as heavy as I'd like to
> see them go. Maybe more of that type of style would be nice, but I still crave
> variety.
Well, crunch metal is arguably dead, but punk is rawer than
metal, and yet pop/alternative is softer than IAW. More variance is
likely where they're headed. I would expect more of that usual rich
guitar work from Petrucci, and that should drive the rest of the sound.
> Idea #4: Keep up the complexity!!! (Should we expect anything less?)
> Possibly a Metropolis Pt. 2??? (Though was it Mike Portnoy who said that the
> "Part 1" wasn't meant to be taken seriously? Didn't he say that it was there
> to just give the song an endless feeling to it?) Anyway, a song or two with a
> completely insane minute or two of madness is ALWAYS fun!!! =)
Definitely! DT is our best source of epic music these days.
> Idea #8: Oooh! Harmonies! In ACoS, there are some places in the song where
> James overdubs his voice (that is his voice, right?) and produces some really
> powerful harmonies! The one Achilles Heel of DT, I think, is the vocals. I
> personally love James's voice, but you have to admit that a LOT of people don't
YES YES YES. Vocal harmony is the one "prog" thing DT is weak on.
Teach John Petrucci to sing (he was horribly flat when he sang TSM live
here in Arizona) and then get his vocal tone in on the harmony. After
all, Pull Me Under and Take The Time, two certified masterpieces, are
driven to a great degree by vocal harmonies. Tell DT to get on the phone
with the Galactic Cowboys and maybe take a few lessons. :)
> From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Re: You May Want To Read This!
>
> Maybe you aren't reading this, but I feel that this needs to be said. I am
> probably the guy who posts messages in a row. Why don't I condense them into
> one message? Because I am not in digest mode. I respond to messages as I read
> them. I don't have any fancy mail programs that I can use, and even if I did,
> I am blind and cannot take advantage of them. I am only posting this to the
> list because I am sure that others are getting annoyed about my posts. I am
More posts is usually better than less. Please, continue posting
all you want. It' s been substantive anyway, from what I've seen.
> From: srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough)
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Subconscious
>
> Hey all, someone here typed up a detailed description
> of Subcon and the tracks on it. If anyone has that text
> saved could you please email it to me? I used to have it
> but I must have erased it cause I can't find it.
I forget who it was offhand, but there was one Jammer who took
the info I had and compiled a wonderful description file for
Subconscious. Whoever that was, could ya throw it up again? Looks like we
got a request, and I'm sure more are curious.
And now, though it will certainly make this post too damned long,
here is....
POLL: THE BEST OF THE LONGEST
-=[ RESULTS ]=-
All write-in entries were scored normally. I did not cast a vote: I
also disqualified everyone I know who I hang out with on a regular basis.
The intent was to form an opinion based ONLY on what the Ytsejammers think.
I'll post the "greatest songs ever" of my own group of people here, which
includes long and short, sometime later.
I've marked the results off into "tiers" which represent groupings
of the same range of votes... there were definite "clumpings" and not a
bell or geometric curve in the votes.
Song Performer Album Points
============================================================================
Tier 1: The Songs Of Eternity.
(hey cool, I tied in both Rush and DT with that one!)
2112 Rush 2112 98
A Change of Seasons Dream Theater A Change of Seasons 94
Learning to Live Dream Theater Images And Words 91
Metropolis part I Dream Theater Images And Words 87
Tier 2: Mandatory Listening for All Jammers.
(consistent following, wide vote spread)
Hemispheres Rush Hemispheres 52
Scarred Dream Theater Awake 50
Xanadu Rush A Farewell to Kings 41
Yes Anastasia Tori Amos Under The Pink 35
Rime of the Ancient Mariner Iron Maiden Powerslave 37
Fountain of Lamneth, The Rush Caress of Steel 32
Tier 3: Damn good music. Worth trying out.
(either accumulated a lot of low votes, or supported
by a few diehards who put it at #1)
Close to the Edge Yes Close to the Edge 23
Speak To Me Galactic Cowboys (same) 20
Ivory Gate of Dreams Fates Warning No Exit 19
Suite Sister Mary Queensryche Operation: Mindcrime 19
Camera Eye, The Rush Moving Pictures 16
Natural Science Rush Permanent Waves 16
Letters Echolyn As The World 16
Cygnus X-1 Rush A Farewell to Kings 15
Passion Play, A Jethro Tull A Passion Play 15
Karn Evil 9 ELP Brain Salad Surgery 14
Tier 4: I guess you gotta be a fan of the band already.
(not consistent enough voting data to draw conclusions)
Heart of the Sunrise Yes Fragile 13
Someone Else? Full Band Version Queensryche I Am I single 13
Battle of Epping Forest, The Genesis Selling England/Pound 11
Supper's Ready Genesis Foxtrot 11
Grendel Marillion B'sides Themselves 10
Black No.1 Type O Negative Bloody Kisses 10
Achilles Last Stand Led Zeppelin Presence 09
Faith Hope Love King's X Faith Hope Love 09
Song For America Kansas Song For America 09
Thick As a Brick Jethro Tull Thick As A Brick 09
Necromancer, The Rush Caress of Steel 08
Shine On You Crazy Diamond Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here 08
Child In Time Deep Purple In Rock 07
Endless Dream Yes Talk 07
Apercu/Death of Mother Nature Kansas Leftoverture 06
Achilles: Agony and Ecstasy Manowar The Triumph of Steel 05
And You And I Yes Close to the Edge 05
Echoes Pink Floyd Meddle 05
Mountain Cry Blues Traveler Travelers & Thieves 05
Roads To Madness Queensryche The Warning 05
Dogs Pink Floyd Animals 04
Nantucket Sleighride Mountain ? 04
Prophet's Song Queen A Night At The Opera 04
Sky Babies Wildhearts Fishing For Luckies 04
And Justice For All Metallica And Justice For All 03
Carouselambra Led Zeppelin In Through the Out Door 03
Coma Guns 'n Roses Use Your Illusion I 03
Lizard, The King Crimson 3 of a Perfect Pair 03
Scheherazade Renaissance Scheherazade 03
Sign of the Cross Iron Maiden the new one 03
Somewhere in Time/Believe Savatage Streets: A Rock Opera 03
The Torture Never Stops Frank Zappa The Torture Never... 03
Yours is No Disgrace Yes The Yes Album 03
Bloody Kisses Type O Negative Bloody Kisses 02
Dry County Bon Jovi Keep The Faith 02
Halloween Helloween Keeper, part 1 02
Once Around The World It Bites ? 02
Bat Out Of Hell Meatloaf take a wild guess 01
Gates of Delirium Yes Relayer 01
In My Time of Dying Led Zeppelin Presence 01
Machine Messiah Yes Drama 01
New Dreams Atomic Opera ? 01
November Rain (argh) Guns n' Roses Use Your Illusion 1 01
Sorcerer's Pledge Candlemass Nightfall 01
Suite For Everyman, A Echolyn Suffocating The Bloom 01
Vanilla Queen Mountain Golden Earring 01
..and for albums. No need for tiers here... the votes were evenly spread,
once you get past the anomaly data of #1.
Album Performer Points
============================================================================
Operation Mindcrime Queensryche 205
2112 Rush 76
Little Earthquakes Tori Amos 70
Awake Dream Theater 64
Hemispheres Rush 61
Wall, The Pink Floyd 53
Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd 45
Dead Winter Dead Savatage 37
Streets: A Rock Opera Savatage 25
3 Sides To Every Story Extreme 22
Promised Land Queensryche 21
Quadrophenia The Who 19
Brave Marillion 17
Faith Hope Love King's X 15
Pornograffiti Extreme 15
Misplaced Childhood Marillion 14
And Justice For All Metallica 12
Tommy The Who 10
Passion Play, A Jethro Tull 09
Thick as a Brick Jethro Tull 08
Aqualung Jethro Tull 07
Generation 13 Saga 07
Animals Pink Floyd 06
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, The Genesis 06
Awaken The Guardian Fates Warning 05
Eye, The King Diamond 05
Abigail King Diamond 04
Bloody Kisses Type O Negative 04
Final Cut, The Pink Floyd 04
Last Temptation, The Alice Cooper 04
Epilog Anglagard 03
Tales From Topographic Oceans Yes 03
Warchild Jethro Tull 03
Conspiracy King Diamond 02
Keeper of the Seven Keys Helloween 02
Nude Camel 02
Afraid of Sunlight Marillion 01
Angel and the Dark River, The My Dying Bride 01
Grand Illusion, The Styx 01
Gretchen Goes to Nebraska King's X 01
Keeper of the Seven Keys part II Helloween 01
Land of the Free Gamma Ray 01
Parallels Fates Warning 01
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son Iron Maiden 01
Spectre Within, The Fates Warning 01
-=[ ERRATA AND MISCELLANY ]=-
* All votes and voting records were deleted as soon as I'd recorded
them, so don't worry, if you voted for a weird song and it got crushed,
nobody will ever know. :)
* As you saw, Operation Mindcrime was the OVERWHELMING concept album
winner here. It makes me wonder why Queensryche's recent tour was such a
financial bust. The performance was pretty incredible as well. Bands with
albums that have THIS kind of total core following usually have consistent,
unwavering success, a la Van Halen. I guess that's what QR gets for making
Promised Land (another good showing in this poll) so progressive. I'm glad
they did, though... it's a very deep, mature album.
* In other news, the epic songs vote was a lot closer, as was evident
above. At any given day during the poll, the top four songs would be in a
different order than the day before. That marks these four as consistent
favourites, and if I had cut the poll shorter by a day or extended it by a
day, the results could well have been different. Consider them "mutual
winners", based on the close numbers. All four of those were the vote leader
at least once during the polling. This qualifies them as a category within
themselves, hence the tier system.
* The #1-#2 concept album combination that came up the most was
Operation Mindcrime-Little Earthquakes, which occurred 14 times! It was like
deja vu all over again when I'd read those votes.
* The next most frequent #1-#2 were Mindcrime and either 2112 or Awake.
Both combinations occurred ten times.
* Only 5 votes for Learning To Live did NOT place it in the #1 spot
if they voted for it at all. Learning To Live was the overwhelming leader
for concept songs in the number of #1 votes tallied, but if it wasn't a
favourite, it usually wasn't even mentioned. Love it or hate it, I guess.
* Songs that gained their (surprisingly high) totals based entirely
on #2-5 votes (no #1 votes registered): Speak To Me, Suite Sister Mary, The
Camera Eye. Albums that did the same: 3 Sides, Brave, Pornograffiti.
* Epic songs #1-10 were created entirely by four bands. Eight of the
ten were by Rush or Dream Theater.
* Someone with a good eye for statistics wanna break this down a bit
more? I'd like to see points by band, differentials between those stats and
the actual rankings, and so on. I didn't keep any extra info like what male
vs. female Jammers voted for (didn't think to do it until that other guy
posted his poll results, by then it was too late) but there's plenty that can
be broken down from these results right here.
* I received votes from all the regulars (just about) and a whole slew
of people who I've never seen or heard from before. Post, you Silent Men!
(and Women!) The Jam is so much better off when there's something cool to
talk about. Really!! In fact, I sort of encourage the inevitable verbal
fencing that will follow this poll based on its results.
Take care everyone! Hope you had fun.
Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 03:15:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: SDV Samples
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951127025924.99535I-100000@homer22.u.washington.edu>
Hello everyone, it's BAFU. (hee hee, always wanted to do that)
I had a small believing-problem with the spoken SDV samples as they were
written in the latest faq. I don't. First I will quote up what's listed in
the faq, then what I think the voices are saying. (And if anyone's an
expert on what the voices are saying, it's me. They talk to me all the
time.) I posted what I heard in SDV a long time ago, but I guess the faq
author heard things differently.
> ** 6.3 Where are the samples in "Space-Dye Vest" from?
>
> The following is (unconfirmed) from a Conan O'Brien show:
>
> "That's what they say that, like that in Houston, or
> something. They say 'yeah, it's 180 degrees, but it's a dry
> heat.'"
>
> "In Houston they say that?"
>
> "Oh, maybe not, I'm all mixed up."
>
> "Dry until they hit the swimming pool."
I would like to confirm that this passage was on Conan 'O Brien. Does
anyone else recognize those voices?
(Space-Dye Vest, 3:47)
Conan: "That, so they say that, in ya-know like, Houston or something,
you'd say it's, yeah it's a hundred-and-eighty degrees, but it's a DRY
heat."
Andy: "In HOUSTON they say that?"
Conan: "Oh maybe not, I'm all mixed up."
Andy/Guest: "Dry until I had the swimming pool."
I can't tell if the last line is Andy or not. He usually speaks rather
slowly, and yes I'm aware that the entire sample is sped up slightly, so
obviously his voice would be higher and faster. But his voice would still
be deeper and slower than Conan's, which leads me to believe that this
voice was the guest, whomever he was. (Yes, I watch the show whenever I
can! :) )
Here is the written sample I have the main believing-problem with.
> This sample has not been identified as of yet:
>
> (unintelligible talking)"...I'll get up with the sun...she
> doesn't, she doesn't want you to sleep in...I don't care what
> you do, I don't care what you say, you're grounded...that door
> gets locked, that door gets locked at night by 9 o'clock. If
> you're not in this house by 9 o'clock, then you'd better find
> someplace to sleep...you think you can go to your mom's house
> and sucker her into it?..."(unintelligible talking)
This is what I hear:
(Space-Dye Vest, 4:03)
Man's voice: "(first word unintelligible) I'm an exterminator, I'll get up
with the sun. Listen. You have your own room to sleep in, I don't care
what you do, (clinking metal) I don't care when. That door gets
locked... (rhythmic sound, either two objects being rubbed together or
fast breathing like someone crying/sniffling) that door gets locked---"
(all those "other" noises during this passage really sound to me like
someone in the room, possibly the "boy," is cleaning a gun or taking apart
some metal object.)
Other male voice, possibly the man's son: "At 9--"
Father continues: "At 9 o'clock. You're not in this house by 9 o'clock,
then you'd better find someplace to sleep. Because you're not gonna be a
bum in this house. Supper is ready. (last line smothered in crescendoing
piano)"
Does anyone agree/disagree with this? Get out your Awake cds and try
reading along with each. Everybody now! Sing it with me! I'm a Space-Dye-
Vest wearer and I'm okay! I curse women all night and I sulk all day!
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:54:39 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Stuff about Malibu
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951127014619.192894A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Holy fuckin' shit! I just got back from the Malibu, where Anthrax,
backed by Life of Agony and the Deaftones, put on one of the most amazing
shows I have ever been to! Someone opened up a can of whoop-ass inside
that place. It was phenomenal!
However, there was one problem. It seems that the metalhead moshers and
the skinhead moshers weren't particularly enthralled with each other's
presence, because someone got stabbed in the pit. I don't know if they
caught the person with the knife or not. This was a fucked-up thing to do.
Don't, however, be put off by this, and think about changing your concert
plans. The only problem was actually in the pit. I was pretty far away,
so I didn't even see it happen or anything. Also, it was the only
incident of its kind that I can remember at the Malibu.
Anyway, a piece of advice for those of you that wish to avoid the pit:
Towards the back of the place (if you're facing the stage) are steps and
stuff with railings around them in places. Get yourself to a railing.
You have something to lean on, you can see the whole stage (provided you
find one whose view isn't blocked by a pillar), and you get to watch what
goes on in the pit. I tell you, watching that pit while L.O.A. and
Anthrax were on almost (and I mean almost) made me want to get in.
And finally, a piece of advice for those of you that will be near the
stage on 12/28: If you mosh into me, it will be the last thing you do
with teeth in your head.
-Chris
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* Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= *
* The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall *
* Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. *
* cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo *
* *
* * Will work for bass strings * *
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:10:53 -0500
From: Qghost@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Concept album
Message-ID: <951127091052_117355744@mail04.mail.aol.com>
Ooo, a concept album could be very good, especially after "A Change of
Seasons." Not to mention, within in the last 2 years two EXCELLENT concept
albums have come out:
Marillion - Brave
Saga - Generation 13
Long live prog rock and the concept album!!
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Ghost Qghost@aol.com
"Ding!"
Hemispheres, I. Prelude, Rush (1978)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:50:00 GMT
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Satch tour
Message-ID: <9511270850.AA07333@sealion.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Well, Patricia, you seem to know everything there is to know about Satch, so can you
answer this question:
Who's supporting him on the UK tour?
On my ticket, it says 'Plus Special Guest', which suggests a solo artist, such as . . .
Steve Vai? In my dreams!
Graham B.
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:06:24 +0100
From: Wim Slabbekoorn <wslabb@mail.HZeeland.nl>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1157 -Reply
Message-ID: <s0b9a9d4.087@mail.HZeeland.nl>
Hi there,
Last Saturday I went to see two great Dutch bands: Celastial Season
(Or something, maybe this isn't the right spelling)and THE GATHERING.
These two bands performed in 'Het Beest' in Goes, Holland. I can tell
you: It was great.
CS normally plays metal with two violanists (Female). Unfortunately
this time they just used the guitars and stuff. It was my first time
to see those guys playing and hopefully not the last time. The rithms
they use rule! (Without dubble bass!)
Then there was this great band with its female singer, keyboards etc.
The Gathering: GREAT, GREAT and great again. Jammers, if you want to
listen to something else, try this!! Great melody lines, lots of
rithms and never boring! The light show was magnificant! They played
almost every song of their last CD and two of their first CD
(Always). Some people call it Dancing Death metal. Yeah, I understand
what they mean. That girl was living in the metal saturday night.
Jammers, The only thing I can say is: Try this! If you want more
information, I can arrange that I think.
The metal Greetings,
Wimetal, Wim Slabbekoorn: wslabb@mail.HZeeland.nl
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:08:48 +0000
From: "HILMI A" <ep180@city.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Hello everyone!
Message-ID: <199511271203.MAA08955@netmail.city.ac.uk>
Hello everyone!
I am new to the jam, I subscribed about two weeks ago...
I think it is really cool...
My favourite JP solo... I think the solo on Another Day is
absolutely fantastic-when I first heard Another Day I went nuts
over the solo! I also like the lead on PMU very much
How about the best Kevin Moore solo? I'd say the YtseJam
solo is one of his best. I also think John Myung really plays a
fantastic solo there...and Mike Portnoy too!!!
Charlie vs James... I think James kicks ass, beyond doubt!!!
WDADU is a wonderful album , but I truly believe that Charlie's
singing spoils it ( sorry Charlie fans...) especially after having
heard LATM....
I can't wait to hear WDATU!!!
Hey , moshing is pretty cool!! When I started listening to Heavy
Metal I really liked Thrash, and there's a lot of moshing associated
with it! Afterall , DT have got their thrash moments (AFIL,PMU,
Under A Glass Moon,The Mirror , etc. etc....).
That is an excellent idea !!! I am talking about the new thread:
What do we want to hear on the new DT album
I too would like to hear a bass solo,more vocal harmonies,etc.
What I would really like is to have more thrashy , comlicated bits
like in WDADU (I think that was heavier than the other albums)
and lots of keys in the style of IAW (not necessarily a copy of
Kevin's style...). I would also want it to be 24 hrs long .... or
more..........
Well, I don't have much more to say for now, hope to get some
replies.....
Achilles
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 08:03:41 -0600
From: Brian Reichow <reic0010@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Ytsejam Digest" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Savatage/Dead Winter Dead (NDTC)
Message-ID: <30b9c53c589d002@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> Can anyone confirm that the singer on the new SAVATAGE album is Zachary
>Stevens.I heard that Jon Oliva returned to the band, but the voice of the
>singer is just like the Zachary's voice.
> Andras
Both are correct. Zachary Stevens sings all but two songs on the new
release; "I Am" and "Doesn't Matter Anyway" are sung by Jon Oliva.
Jon never *really* left the band - while he did not sing lead on either
Edge of Thorns or Handful of Rain, he did write, produce and play keys on
them.
-Brian (keeper of the Savatage FAQ & discography)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:37:41 +0100
From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Who ever reads this shit????
Message-ID: <199511271530.QAA28286@adeptus.student.hgs.se>
Okey, I'm kind of new here, but okey kill me if you heard these before:
1) Who can provide me with a copy of AD or the Ronnie Scott's (Video????) ?
Mail me...
2) All you guys playing in progressive bands on a non commercial (at
this time being anyway) stage please drop me a line and we'll swap
tapes. I have recorded both 4-track demos (Actually very good sound
quality) and a studio demo (Exellent sound crappy songs, to me
anyway) with my group called AFTERGLOW (nope not named after the FW
track, rather after a ELO (BARF!!!!) box that our drummer owns...
Okay, hope to hear from someone sooooon....
__________________
Mika Numminen
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:47:41 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1153
Message-ID: <v01510105acdf369a0742@[137.238.26.12]>
>Barb Battaglialianoleonelenatti ("Hello everyone, it's BABS.")
Bafu Vai, was it you that put just about every letter in the alphabet in my
name? Better watch it or I'll turn into a Bafu Babs and start picking on
you.
Also, while I'm posting I want to comment on the Beatles bashing. There's
nothing that I can do to influence anyone's opinion, all I can say is that
I am very saddened by the lack of interest for their music. The other day
I was having lunch with a group of people (I work at a university) and we
all went around the room naming our favorite Beatles tune and then we got
to the wonderful 22 year old who sat there and couldn't recall the name of
one tune. I just want to mention that they were four men who all took
turns with their contribution (i.e. composing) and each song projected that
musicians personality, in my eyes that is quite an achievement! For
everyone who claims that they love DT so much, you should take the time (no
pun intended) to look and see who influenced them. Trust me I know what
I'm talking about. Hey, I confess, I can't stand the band Yes (please
don't anybody jump on my shit about it either), but I will listen to them
when they come on the radio and try to see what other people find so
appealing about them.
Ok, that's enough rambling I don't want the "List Meister" to yell at me
for bad content. Geez, do you think that we should hold a yearly election
for the job of "List Meister" (snicker)?
Take care everyone,
-BABS
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 15:42:14 +0100
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: donews!nga
Subject: What DT don't have...
Message-ID: <9511271442.AA00361@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
since you are all subscribers to the Jam, I think I can safely assume that we
all consider DT to be one of the finest bands around at the moment. But have
you ever stopped to consider what DT don't have that some other bands do have?
The correct answer is, of course, a rhythm guitarist. In a lot of the bands with
the 'classic' 5-piece line-up (bass, guitar, drums, keys, vocals), the keyboards
often cover the spaces left by the guitar (my opinion: I'm entitled to it and
I'm sticking to it), sort of backing up and bulking up the sound, occasionally
being let out to solo. This work can also be done by a good rhythm guitarist -
but I mean a good one, not just somebody stood at the back going chunk-a-chunk
all day.
Can anybody imagine DT as a 6-piece with a rhythm guitarist? I found the idea
quite interesting. Maybe James could do the job: it would certainly stop him
leaping around like a threshing machine on amphetamines. Who else could you see
doing the job: Keith Richards? James Hetfield? My personal choice would have to
Aaron Aedy from Paradise Lost - certainly the best I've ever seen/heard.
I was glad to see that so many people know where my last lyrics question came
from - nice to see some other Zappa fans out there (other than Mike Portnoy -
I like a man who gets his inspiration while taking a dump and admits to it).
Well, only a short one from me today (as the bishop said to the actress).
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Elbereth - And Other Reasons (Gothic/doom from Spain
featuring an excellent female vocalist, violins
and bag pipes!!)
"It's hard to feel like a rock star when you've got your head in the toilet"
Johnny Winter
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