YTSEJAM Digest 1160
Today's Topics:
1) Operation: Revolution
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
2) Tape Swap -- PLEASE READ!
by Prog Tape Swap <tapeswap@reich.uark.edu>
3) Re: New Thread! Good God!!!
by eiagm@eznet.net
4) MALIBU SEATING?
by MATTHEW D PASTOR <S_MDPASTOR@vaxa.clarion.edu>
5) FW: Xmas humor
by Greg Chew <grc8@columbia.edu>
6) ***New Threads***
by Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
7) Damn right I would!
by laussade@enet.net (Mr. NoDepthPerception)
8) YtseCon II Update
by "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
9) DT 6-piece!
by laussade@enet.net (Mr. NoDepthPerception)
10) Where to find all the "Girls" on the Jam....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) Re: Take The Time lyricists
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
12) Re: Chuck D. kicks ass!!!
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Kevin Moore _Chroma Key_ demos??
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
14) It happened again!
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
15) DT's new album
by arom@capital.edu (Aaron Rom)
16) Re: next album ideas (was: New Thread!)
by SaVeur <jjens@gmu.edu>
17) lyrical quiz
by kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
18) Lots o' stuff
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1158
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:21:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam )
Subject: Operation: Revolution
Message-ID: <199511272121.QAA03904@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
Does anybody still have the address of that dude who started up
Operation: Revolution? I have a few more Ideas to send him for a follow-up
attack on the slap-crappy programming of eMpTyV. If you have this address,
I would appreciate it if you sent it to me. Thanx in advance.
-John
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:09:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Prog Tape Swap <tapeswap@reich.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Tape Swap -- PLEASE READ!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.951127150452.16836A-100000@reich.uark.edu>
Greetings Jammers,
This is a reminder about the tape swap I am conducting for
progressive music lovers. The idea is to expose each other to new bands
that otherwise would've remained unheard of. Here's the way it works:
you email me at: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu and tell me you are interested
and I'll send you the full details. The basic idea is this: each
participant will make a compilation tape of music by bands that deserve
to be more widely known (Shadow Gallery, Ivanhoe, Echolyn, etc.) and send
it to three other people that are participating. In return, you will
receive three tapes from others that are participating. I will handle
all the details as far as who sends to who and do all the paperwork.
Please help your fellow music lover discover some of the great bands that
you have been enjoying...
Ed.
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For information about a progressive rock/metal tape swap
Email me at: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:41:31 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: New Thread! Good God!!!
Message-ID: <199511272158.QAA02372@mail1.eznet.net>
> Okay, the Ytsejam's in desperate need of a new thread, so try this one on for
> size:
>
> Our beloved DT is coming out with a completely new album this July.
> (This is ALL the info I have on it so far, so don't ask...)
>
> What would you like to hear on it?
Nice thread.
I would like to see Derek's jazz influences come through on some
of the songs for the new album. Something more than the few moments
he gets on ACOS. I don't know about a whole song written just by
him. Dream Theater has always taken an entire band approach, and I
kind of like that.
They definitely need to do an instrumental that is an original
composition in its own right. Erotomania just didn't do it for me
(being 5 parts stuck together).
I don't know about all this complaining about James' voice by
some. I love his voice. The only complaint I have about it is that
he overdoes the breathing. He gets all breathy, you can hear him
breathing during the song. That stuff's gotta go. But the actual
singing is great. More harmonies is a good idea.
I would like to see (hear) JP playing in a whole different
style than we've been hearing on the albums. the beginning riff of
"Scarred" is a good example of a guitar style we don't hear much from
DT. We've had the scale runs, the arpegiating, we loved it, but I
would like there to be some things in new styles. Something
completely jazzy would be cool. Or something R&B'ish within a
prog-rock song? How about some old-fashioned finger-picking? And I
definitely would like to see some acoustic songs that are more than
simple rhythm songs (acoustic, but not SM, or SDV). Something
acoustic that has the same level of complexity as the other stuff -
the same energy level.
And finally, and many of you will not like this, I would like
to see 1 attempt at a radio-friendly song. Something to keep the
boys going, y'know - make some money? I hate always having to worry
that my favorite group is only 1 bad album away from dying out.
Plus, once you've got some clout, you gain a lot of freedoms.
Mike Stover
eiagm@eznet.net
http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"He who can copy, can do" - Leonardo Da Vinci
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:25:59 -0500 (EST)
From: MATTHEW D PASTOR <S_MDPASTOR@vaxa.clarion.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: MALIBU SEATING?
Message-ID: <951127142559.238366cb@vaxa.clarion.edu>
Jammers,
Does anyone know what the seating (standing) arrangements are like at
the Malibu. I got my tickets and they say on them "GA" but give seat and
row numbers. Are there seats there? Does the place have a balcony of some
sort? My guess is that they are labled this way strictly for attendance
figures or whatever. Could someone please let let me know about this?
P.S. I was watching the Discovery channel a while back and saw a DT
"reference". During a commercial for one of their programs,
they show a giant blue eyeball with a clock face on it just like the
one on the "Lie" single. Roman numerals and everything.
I think it was for the "Time Travelers" show.
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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:31:53 -0500
From: Greg Chew <grc8@columbia.edu>
To: "'Hong, Vincent'" <uvahong@msuvx2.memphis.edu>,
Subject: FW: Xmas humor
Message-ID: <01BABAD3.5B400CE0@hal9000.carman.rhno.columbia.edu>
Hey Everybody!
I found this on a mailing list...Thought you'd enjoy some Xmas humor!
Greg :)
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From: Ali Libman[SMTP:yankee@Onramp.NET]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 1995 9:01 PM
To: les-miserables@world.std.com; miss-saigon@world.std.com; heavysak@aol.com; crf_brandedl@crf.cuis.edu; GiuliettaT@aol.com
Subject: OFF: Xmas humor
'Twas the Night Before Christmas (PC Sytle)*
A Christmas poem
'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck...
How to live in a world that's politically correct?
His workers no longer would answer to "Elves".
"Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves.
And labor conditions at the north pole
Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul.
Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety,
Released to the wilds by the Humane Society.
And equal employment had made it quite clear
That Santa had better not use just reindeer.
So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid,
Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid!
The runners had been removed from his sleigh;
The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A.
And people had started to call for the cops
When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops.
Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened.
His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened."
And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows,
Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose
And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation,
Demanding millions in over-due compensation.
So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife,
Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life,
Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz,
Demanding from now on her title was Ms.
And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion
That making a choice could cause so much commotion.
Nothing of leather, nothing of fur,
Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her.
Nothing that might be construed to pollute.
Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot.
Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise.
Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys.
Nothing that claimed to be gender specific.
Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific.
No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth.
Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth.
And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden,
Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden.
For they raised the hackles of those psychological
Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological.
No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt;
Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt.
Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe;
And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away.
So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed;
He just could not figure out what to do next.
He tried to be merry, tried to be gay,
But you've got to be careful with that word today.
His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground;
Nothing fully acceptable was to be found.
Something special was needed, a gift that he might
Give to all without angering the left or the right.
A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision,
Each group of people, every religion;
Every ethnicity, every hue,
Everyone, everywhere...even you.
So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth...
"May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth."
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:12:15 -0500
From: Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ***New Threads***
Message-ID: <v01520d00acdff3d2899a@[157.252.65.110]>
Hey guys!
I just got back from Thanksgiving break. Hope you guys all had
fun!! I have a couple new threads I'd like to see explored on the JAM. Here
goes...
1) If James could not sing for DT, what would you VAI fans think about
Devon Townshend filling the job? Do you think he could do it? I think he'd
be really cool in DT. Let me know! I've always been a big James fan, but
the combination of his attitude and his not-so-great live performance
reputation are making me get sick of him.
2) How cool would it be if DT covered either the *entire* "Carry on Wayward
Son" or "Tom Sawyer" by RUSH. The guys *must * know Tom Sawyer. Someone
suggest it to Mike Portnoy!
Ok, no flames about the James thing. I think he's a really good singer, but
I agree with the guy who sai he turns a LOT of people off of DT. Recently,
I've found this to be true.
BAFU! Thanks for the *cool* JP poster and for giving me an easy way to slip
in the obligatory Bafu Vai content!! :)
DTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTD
"If I started from the top, and worked my way down,
There'd be no reason to live forever."
-Mike Bradley
Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu
DTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTD
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:22:46 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (Mr. NoDepthPerception)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Damn right I would!
Message-ID: <199511272322.QAA02887@maple.enet.net>
>ANy suggestions? What would you do if you saw a DT member on the street?
>
Immediately fall down on my knees and worship whichever Great One it
happened to be. What were you THINKING man???
Ben Laussade! Hoowah!!! (How does THAT sound, Damon?)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 18:27:33 -0500
From: "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YtseCon II Update
Message-ID: <9511272327.AA17494@junix.ju.edu>
================YtseCon II Update==================
-------DATE AND TIME????------
----The YtseCon is planned for Thursday, Dec 28 @ aprox. 5:00 pm EST. right
before the Malibu show----
--------The time and dates are set unless it ends up that no-one can come or
that DT can't make it that day.-------
I know that many of you wanted it at other times, but I had to make it most
practical for everyone by looking at all the pros and cons and Malibu won.
------ARE YOU COMING???------55 so far!-----
So now what I need to do is get an estimated number of attendants. I will
post the list of people that I have and if you are NOT on the ***MAILBU
(NY)*** show list, and WILL STILL BE ATTENDING the YtseCon send me mail.
I repeat! If you aren't on the following list and will still be attending
the YtseCon, mail me and let me know.
------------Malibu Night Club - Lido Beach, NY - Thur, Dec 28
Trey Allen <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
Brandon Ghioto <bgehio@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
"Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu
Friend
Friend
Marc Contrady <constabl@postoffice.ptd.net>
Freind
Freind
"Patrick H. Davis" <75463.2253@compuserve.com>
brother
The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
augie@unix.asb.com (augie)
Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
Brian Cox
Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
bishop@cts1.internetwis.com
bjgateno@students.wisc.edu
ross_s@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
hiw100@psu.edu (Cornholio)
Friend
Friend
Friend
Friend
shyboy@microserve.net
freind
friend
friend
friend
freel@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Friend
Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
Friend
Friend
Friend
Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
Friend
Friend
Friend
Friend
CKLAPAK1@vaxc.hofstra.edu
Friend
Friend
Friend
Friend
JCalvacca@aol.com
Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
Friend
"Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
Friend
Friend
Friend
----COVERING THE COSTS----
We will also have to have some kind of donations or entry fee or something
to raise money for this. I was considering having this in a meeting room in
a hotel near the club. This can run from $200-???? ...way up there
depending on the # of people and size of room. Last year costed $600! Also
we need some kind of food/refreshments and I would like to get some shirts
made saying something
about YtseCon II w/ the Majesty logo on it to give to everyone who comes.
So I am thinking that maybe $20-$25 per person would cover everything. I
will get back to you all on the exact price and all that, but I would really
prefer that the money be sent prior to the show so I'm not diging so far in
my empty pocket to front the cash!!!
----------I NEED SOME HELP!!!!!--------
If anyone in the LI area would like to help w/ some smaller details I would
really appriciate it!!!! It is very hard to arrange something from 900
miles away! It would be stuff like going to check out possible places for
the con and dtuff like that. Let me know if you are interested.
------WAIT FOR A FURTHER UPDATE AND... -------
If you have any ideas about the meeting place or anything else for that
mater, let me know.
Thank you for your support!!!!
____________________________________________________________________________
"Likely or not its a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll
climb. But if faith is the answer then we've already reached it and if
spirit is a sign, then its only a matter of time."
(Kevin Moore of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
_____________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:38:05 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (Mr. NoDepthPerception)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT 6-piece!
Message-ID: <199511272338.QAA03331@maple.enet.net>
>Can anybody imagine DT as a 6-piece with a rhythm guitarist? I found the idea
>quite interesting. Maybe James could do the job: it would certainly stop him
>leaping around like a threshing machine on amphetamines. Who else could you see
>doing the job: Keith Richards? James Hetfield? My personal choice would have to
>Aaron Aedy from Paradise Lost - certainly the best I've ever seen/heard.
Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty
Friedman! Marty Friedman! Marty Friedman! Oops, Sorry. Got a little
carried away. :-)
Ben Laussade! Hoowah!!! (How does THAT sound, Damon?)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:38:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Where to find all the "Girls" on the Jam....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951127183334.2082G-100000@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Oops, sorry, that should read "Women".....
anyhow, anybody else notice the amazing number of female names on Mike
Bahr's CD buyer update lists, compared with those who actually contribute to
this here discussion? (As if anyone looks at those lists any longer than
is necessary to find his or her own name)
just a thought
partha
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:51:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Take The Time lyricists
Message-ID: <30BA4D85.B99D.06D1.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
I always thought that the 4th verse was one of Kevin Moore's...
"I can see muhc clearer now, I'm blind" kinda reflects Kevin's lyrics
on "Surrounded." For example, "I once could see, but now at last I'm
blind."
I always saw Kevin Moore as the Bible-quoting lyricist (until
Petrucci took over on Awake). Kevin's WDADU and IAW lyrics are
pretty spiritual...then he got sidetracked by a girl before he
started writing for Awake...
My guesses for the verse author of TTT are:
V1: Mike Portnoy
V2: John Petrucci
V3: John Myung
V4: Kevin Moore
I do think that the fourth verse is easily Moore, though the starter
of this thread may not think so. The first 3 are kinda hard...at
least for me to tell...I wish Portnoy would fill us in on this (HINT,
HINT, MIKE PORTNOY, IF YOU'RE READING!!!!!).
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
=======
5 in changer:
Savatage- Dead Winter Dead
Savatage- Handful Of Rain
echolyn- as the world
Dream Theater- Images & Words
DCTalk- Jesus Freak (not too bad...though kinda generic)
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 17:03:57 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Chuck D. kicks ass!!!
Message-ID: <9511280103.AA24693@tengs1.teng>
>
> I'll tell you this. I've heard Charlie sing things like Oh Holy Night, and
> I like his singing there.
I think he puts a lot more emotion into OHN. I like the Sub. version
far better than the AD one. Perhaps, unlike James, the hymn is, more
personal to him. [I guess, to our esteemed friend down in UCSC, that
means that "Chuck" is a weak-minded fool like those stupid theologians
(and get a clue, you'd be suprised at the # of theologians who aren't
"believers"---- you don't have to believe it to study it.)]
> I like his performance on WDADU. but the version I
> heard of Metropolis on a boot called Consciously Unreal sucked really badly.
> He was losing the key all over the place. In fact, most of his singing on
> that second disc of the bootleg isn't that good. Sorry, I like Chuck and all,
~~~~~
What's the deal with the Peppermint Patty imitation?
Zach (sorry, had to get my worthless opinion into the religion thread !>/>
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:57:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kevin Moore _Chroma Key_ demos??
Message-ID: <30BA4ECF.B99D.06E7.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
Are these available to buy? From him directly? Or from some other
source?
Thanks,
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:15:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: It happened again!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951127211350.19994A-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
My psychic link to the jam has once again reared its head. Someone
mentioned the Caught in a Web bootleg and I was reading that message at
the SAME TIME that I was listening to Caught in a Web! (The song on
Awake, not the bootleg)
Paul
Baron "Psychic Link to the Jam" Sengir
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:42:46 -0500
From: arom@capital.edu (Aaron Rom)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT's new album
Message-ID: <9511280342.AA28129@athena.capital.edu>
To whomever wrote about more harmonies in DT:
If you want to hear a DT-type band with the killer harmonies to boot, check
out Shadow Gallery's new CD "Carved in Stone". Truly, truly an impressive disc.
I wasn't too thrilled with their first disc, but the new album is truly
magnificent. They run the gamut from sensitive acoustic ballads to all out t
thrashers to twenty minute epics. The production is slick, the musicianship is
equal or beyond DT, the harmonies are killer, lyrics are good, it's just a
masterpiece.
As to what I would like to see on the next DT album, I would like to see:
3 or 4 songs with lyrics from Portnoy and Myung. I like their lyrical styles,
and now that maestro Kevin is gone, I think these two can ably pick up the slack
so that JP doesn't feel that he has to do even more (I personally thought he
went over the top at times on Awake, flame away). I would also like to see a
song or two from Derek, and I would like to see Derek really get into the keys.
I hope that he expands greatly upon the sounds he used on ACOS, I thought the
patch he used for his solo was killer, but I think that he could've shied away
from using the organ sound so much, again, flame away. I would like to see a
ton of unison lines, some really wild playing, and some really sensitive ballads
a la WFS and TSM. I would also like to see the same production team from Awake
again. They did a great job, particularly with Portnoy's drums, and I would
like to see them top themselves. Above all, I want DT to put out a DT album.
Is that too much to ask for?
Aaron Rom
<arom@capital.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 01:25:58 -0500
From: SaVeur <jjens@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: next album ideas (was: New Thread!)
Message-ID: <199511280625.BAA00610@reactor.site.gmu.edu>
howdy fellow 'Jammers,
check out that fancy-dancy subject.
>What would you like to hear on it?
music...hehehe :)
>(We've already discussed covers. I think covers should be left on the stage
>where they belong...)
agree
>Idea #1: A song that's written by Derek.
i think this won't happen. yes, Derek will have some influence -a noticeable
influence- and maybe pieces here and there but a whole song. maybe next
album. i'd love to eat my words, tho :)
>Idea #2: A song that features John Myung with a Kick-Ass bass groove.
>Something along the lines of a Les Claypool type song. They can do jazz, they
>can do bluesy stuff (in concert), but can they pull off funk? Should they?
hmmm...why not? it'd be interesting and a definite direction than Awake/ACoS.
>I'd really love to hear this next album have a bigger fatter bass. It's so
YES! YES! YES!
>often hidden and I'm afraid a lot of Myung's genius is lost because of a
>top-heavy mix. Could be just me. Finally, a complex bass solo would top it
train your ear. we bassists can hear him cuz we're trained to hear those
burried notes. course, any mortal can do this; after dating the current gf
for 5 years she now listens first to the bass then everything else :)
>Idea #3: WDADU and I&W are decidedly less "Heavy" than Awake and ACoS.
Though
i think they may stay ACoS-ish heavy. looking at the current music scene(s)
heavy seems to be good. the Awake tours were bigger than I&W -i'm making
this all up. i don't know for sure- so it would seem that the heavy brings
out more ppl. yes, yes, yes DT has grow in popularity but setting that
aside, i think the heavy attracts more ppl. take a look at Fates Warning:
from PS, they've grown increasingly less-heavy; then they do a tour w/ DT
and see that heavy draws ppl; and now, what are the rumours about the new
Fates? that's right, it's supposed to be more towards the NE/PS stuff
-they're taking a left turn from IO. and once again, i'm ignoring the
variables of doing music not for money, but for the music. but i think this
is a general trend...at least w/ DT and FW :)
>Idea #4: Keep up the complexity!!! (Should we expect anything less?)
definately!! and i vote no on Metropolis Pt.II
>Idea #5: Stick with the "Awake" producers on this one. The "Live" feel
>coupled with Mike's "true" drum sound is a force to be reckoned with!
yeah, and Mike's piccolo snare on the entire album would round it out nicely!
>Idea #6: In the solo after TLF on LiT ("Barfbag", right?) JP did some
>wonderful bluesy grooves. A song in a blues scale would be the perfect touch
hmm...no. keep that stuff in solos/intros/outros/inprov jams.
>Idea #7: Of course, they'd need to include their token insturmental song as
>well as their usual 12 minute epic. I mean, this is Dream Theater we're
>talking about isn't it??? ;)
the Ytse Jam Part II?? hahaha JOKE! i am NOT serious about that!
>Idea #8: Oooh! Harmonies! In ACoS, there are some places in the song where
when done tastefully and in the right places, yes, harmonies would be kool.
but when they're overdone and in every song...bleh. and screw the ppl who
don't like James! i think he's swell (and does a >great< Sebastian Bach ;)
and 2 the ppl who keep gettin on NuGgEtMaN for talkin in IRC.speak: chill!
he cant help it; he's addicted.
atleasthe'snottypinglikethis.wudntawholepostofnospacesbereallyannoy?believei
tornot,someppltypelikethisonIRC.
"Jesus saves....Gretzky scores on the rebound!!"
-john
j o h n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:52:29 -0500 (EST)
From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: lyrical quiz
Message-ID: <199511280452.XAA12913@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
I noticed some poeple have been posting lyrical quizzes so I'm going to post
one. You're truly a lyrical gangsta if you get this one:
"So darn cute a big head with one eye,
Girls can't keep their hands off of him and neither can I."
Here's an easy one:
"Let's put our clothes back on and by the way girl,
what's your name again?"
Just one more that cracks me up when I hear it, it's easy too:
"Boy! Your soul better belong to Jesus!
Hmmm-mmm cause your ass belongs to me!"
Later.
---KL
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:38:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Lots o' stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951127214600.19994C-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
Okay, I'm gonna save some space this time and cut down on the quoting.
> From: eiagm@eznet.net
> Subject: Re: random
>
> > Oh no I've said too much...
> > I haven't said enough.
>
> REM "Losing My Religion"
> Hey - good theme for this list!!
And that's the sad thing about it. An REM song has become a good theme
for the Dream Theater (and related bands) mailing list. I think we really
need to stop with all the religious talk. But if you DO throw in a
religious quip, just remember that ALL religions are only beliefs held by
certain groups of individuals. When talking about YOUR religion (or lack
thereof), one only has to say, "I BELIEVE..." That's all I'm going to say
about this subject. I know it sounds PC, but believe me, it doesn't take
a lot of effort to type those two simple words.
> From: larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten)
> Subject: Ramblings...
>
> First, I'd have to agree in part with Greg, that the people who would want
> the tape project probably already have most of the covers. The people who
> -don't- already have all the covers probably -don't- want them. The only
I must disagree. I don't have a lot of the older stuff and I'd like to
get it on tape, especially Genesis, Yes, etc. Sure, I have some of it
already on tape (Rush, Metallica, Pink Foyd), but I think this two-tape
set would be an excellent compilation. Just listen to it in the tape deck
of your car while driving to work or school.
> From: Mantia_Andras <andi@lmcv.sfos.ro>
> Subject: DWD
>
> Can anyone confirm that the singer on the new SAVATAGE album is Zachary
> Stevens.I heard that Jon Oliva returned to the band, but the voice of the
> singer is just like the Zachary's voice.
Zach is still the lead singer, but Jon sings two songs on DWD - "I Am"
and "Doesn't Matter Anyway."
> From: Greg Chew <grc8@columbia.edu>
> Subject: FW: Xmas humor
>
> Hey Everybody!
>
> I found this on a mailing list...Thought you'd enjoy some Xmas humor!
> 'Twas the Night Before Christmas (PC Sytle)*
[Cut poem]
I hate to say this, but was actualy more sad than funny. For some reason,
I wanted to cry, not laugh. I'm not sure why. Well, okay the part with
the pigs replacing the reindeer and Rupolph going on Geraldo were funny.
But, it made me wonder. I know it's supposed be exaggerated, but it pains
me to think that there might be people out there who think this way. But
actually, I think it was those last few lines that touched my soul.
> Something special was needed, a gift that he might
> Give to all without angering the left or the right.
> A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision,
> Each group of people, every religion;
> Every ethnicity, every hue,
> Everyone, everywhere...even you.
> So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth...
> "May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth."
Of course what saddens me most is that EVEN this gift may offend those
who thrist for war and destruction. There is truly nothing in this world
that will not offend a living soul. I can only pray that Santa's gift is
accepted by all. And I can only hope that one day Santa's gift will come
to pass.
We can hope for the future
But there might not be one
- Mike Portnoy
> From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
>
> To repeat I DID enter the poll ! Patricia
Thank you. At least I was correct on ONE. Yeah, I'm good...
Paul
Baron "No dates quoted this time because it looks stupid" Sengir
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:52:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1158
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9511272143.B27279-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 0:43:59 EST
> From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Re: New Thread! JM's bass
> Message-ID: <9511270543.AA16821@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
>
> I always liked the bass sound on WDADU. How was that produced and could
> they produce it again for the new album? I mean that was a powerful bass
> sound and coupled with Derek's crunchy organ it would make for some really
> cool sounds. I mean James's singing in his grungier voice, JP's crunchy
> guitar, JM's bass like it was on WDADU Derek's organ and MP's Awake drums?
> Oh, baby. Maybe it would sound cool.
I disagree with you here. I thought the bass sound on WDADU was fairly
shitty, mostly because of the volume. I thought that bass sound allowed
Myung to show what he can do with those basslines better than with a big
fat bass sound, but I can hear a big fat bassline much better. And that
just means I can appreciate Myung's presence more just because I can hear
him more of the time. No, I think the Awake producers had the right idea
on this one. But me, always the perfectionist, think they could have
turned it up *just* a little more.
As for Mike's drums, this is kind of a sore point for me, since this is
what I listen to DT for. On Awake, I thought almost everything was miked
real well. I was particularly impressed by the volume on the cymbals,
all 30 or 40 of them :). BUT, I had a hell of a time hearing the toms at
times. What's the deal? I can't think of a single album that I have
where they suppressed the toms like that. And it's not like Mike rarely
uses the toms. I mean, some of his tom hits are ridiculously faint.
Whenever I hear one of these really faint ones, I wonder if I'm just
imagining it. Stuff like this really bugs me.
And, just so you know where you know where I'm coming from, I have a
gripe with the drums' sound on every album Dream Theater has put
out so far. Pretty frustrating, considering DT's my favorite band and all.
Younis Hilal
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