YTSEJAM Digest 1167
Today's Topics:
1) El-N-Gee
by Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
2) James' singing/rythmn guitarist/Mike Bahr's lame excuse-coverup/HAIRBALL
by WarrenDW@aol.com
3) Keyboardists
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
4) Okay! It was ME!
by laussade@enet.net (Mr. NoDepthPerception)
5) Re: should they keep James?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
6) good prog Christmas carols...
by "R. Hailey" <pass@homer21.u.washington.edu>
7) O Holy Night
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) A couple "Next album" ideas........
by rquezada@monmouth.com
9) keyboards, James, Trevor Rabin, and other stuff
by arom@capital.edu (Aaron Rom)
10) Re: Ideas
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Re: DT songs coverred by other bands
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) stuff
by WildKoba@aol.com
13) Re: 33 Morsels of Ytsetrivia
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
14) Re: DT funk and Jazz/Let's not be tunnel visioned
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
15) Re:Classical Covers
by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
16) Ytsejam
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
17) current bootlegs?
by freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
18) Re: I NEED TO BE FLAMMED!!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
19) Jesus Saves?
by roland.theysohn@protel.de (Roland Theysohn)
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1164
by schew@TIS.COM
21) Re: James LaBrie
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
22) Dont Look Past Me, SUBCON LINER NOTES POSTED
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
23) James voice??
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
24) YTSEJAM digest 1165
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
25) VANDEN PLAS (progressive metal content)
by auzzy@mails2.entpe.fr (Stephane Auzilleau)
26) (U)Van Halen's twin attack :)
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:36:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: El-N-Gee
Message-ID: <199511300436.XAA17555@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Hello!
I'm compiling a list of the people going to the CT show on the 27th
at the El-N-Gee. If you're going, send me your address, and I'll send you
details of any get togethers that happen before the show.
I went over my disc quota here at school, so a few of the addresses
I had got deleted. If you haven't gotten anything from me in a while and
you think you sent me your address before, e-mail me again just to be sure.
Sorry about all that. :)
Once again: if you're going to the DT show on the 27th at the
El-N-Gee, e-mail me and I keep you all up to date on everything. And I
won't charge you anything! Imagine that. :)
-Matt
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 00:01:36 -0500
From: WarrenDW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: James' singing/rythmn guitarist/Mike Bahr's lame excuse-coverup/HAIRBALL
Message-ID: <951130000133_38961425@mail06.mail.aol.com>
Referring to recent posts (too lazy to look up who and when).
I, too, love the harmonies in ACOS...sends shivers down the old spine. I
still wish, though, that JP and MP would pitch in...it' not like they are
busy doing anything else<G>
The only thing a rythmn guitarist with DT could do is stand around and spank
the monkey, choke his chicken, etc. and then get down on his knees and
worship Petrucci.. The keyboards more than just provide fill...they add
textures etc. not possible with just another guitar, no matter who is playing
it.
As far as James LaBrie/ insulting audiences, the fucking idiot in the Japan
Pay Per View video was incoherent, (at least I couldn't understand him)...but
I think that James should have insulted him better in Japanese. Learn the
language LaBrie...call 1-800-ABCDEFG.
To those lucky ones that are going to see DT in Late December.....be sure to
let us know about how the MIX sounded. Although the band was stellar here in
Portland, the PA mix blew chunks. I hope they have someone new to work the
soundboard. You guys be sure to buy and use DAT recorders and get the whole
show on tape...then send me free copies.
Today's informative as usual post from Mike Bahr was clever.. but not clever
enough to get past me. Mike, you claim that the Hairball credit on Acoustic
Dreams was in reference to someone who you know. First of all who the hell
else would live in Chandler AZ?
Second of all who would be such a stupid asshole as to choose Hairball as a
name??
Should put 'that' to rest........Mike Portnoy...I mean Bahr.
HAIRBALL...so you said that DT used compression on ACOS for the acoustic
portions.....sorry to burst your big-bubble-bubba-buddy-boy-but-being a
guitarist I can assure you that JP is playing a normal, full-sized
guitar....do you think we are Fucking Idiots or something??
BAFU VAI lives.
Warren in Oregon
Warren in Oregon with the DT fan club shaft buried deep where the sun don't
shine
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:38:06 -0700 (MST)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Keyboardists
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951129223659.1567B@casual1>
Damon,
I agree keyboardists are important. You think you could replace me? HAHAHA
Will
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:40:09 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (Mr. NoDepthPerception)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Okay! It was ME!
Message-ID: <199511300540.WAA29090@maple.enet.net>
>Note for Ben: nice try, that post with the name Marty Jameson (Jam 1163), but
>the fact that the message ID contained the string 'laussade' was just a bit of
>a giveaway. Besides which, *I* happen to like Nine Inch Nails, Pearl Jam and
>Soundgarden.
>
So you don't go thinking I'm completely stupid, I put a few hints in there,
like the one you discovered. BTW, I like NIN, PJ and what little SG I've
heard. HEAD LIKE A HOLE! BLACK AS YOUR SOUL! I'D RATHER DIE, THAN GIVE YOU
CONTROL!
EEeeeeeveeeennn Yammazammadammahammayamma do da dee.
Eddie Vedder:I'm going hungry
Chris Cornell: I'M GOING HUNGRAAAYYY, YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fell on black day....something, something, something else.
>NNNNNOOOOOO!!!! not again! obsviously you're new to the 'jam, so you missed
>an event which almost plunged the 'jam into utter chaos - top 5's! stop
>the insanity!
Suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
BTW, what song did Megadeth play when they were on Letterman?
Ben Laussade
Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to GET what you deserve....
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 21:50:35 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: should they keep James?
Message-ID: <9511300550.AA18063@tengs1.teng>
> Hey, Zach.
>
> Keyboards are unnecessary? what narrow minded attitude is that? I bet all
> the keyboardists on this list are lining up to flame you right now. So let me
> be one of them. Keyboards are great. They can take guitars in diverse sounds.
> There are so many different applications for keyboards that it's scary.
> Guitars don't have the same diversity in sound, IMHO. And keyboards can take
> the place of entire bands. Can guitars? No. Drums? No. Bass? No. Vocals.
> Maybe if you went back to barbershop quartets. Sorry, but I can replace all
> of you with my keyboard rig. And make it sound like a band. What do you have
> to say to that?
I say I snagged another one, nope... make that two. What, is this
the third time this month? This is getting boring, I'd better stop
for a year or so. Sorry, whenever I sit down to type, I feel like
Bafu Vai is sitting on my right shoulder and there's the bear on
my left. (Anyone seen that skit on Conan? It's got to be the best
one they've ever come up with.)
Truthfully, though, perhaps the one component of a band that *can*
be unnecessary are the vocals. I remember sitting in with my friend
a few years back while he was mixing some tracks for his band
(Masquerade, a "Tesla ripoff," as he termed them, based around
Modesto) and I thought they sounded quite good before he started
mixing the vox in.
"Evil" Zach
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:58:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "R. Hailey" <pass@homer21.u.washington.edu>
To: digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: good prog Christmas carols...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951129215508.83367D-100000@homer21.u.washington.edu>
well, I can only think of two, actually,
that have not yet been mentioned:
'run with the fox' yes
'I believe in father christmas' elp
Merry Christmas!
chris
8 r.christopher hailey pass@u.washington.edu 8
8 steal this album: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass 8
8 - critters buggin' - "guest" - 8
8---------------------------8--------------------------8
l
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:44:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: O Holy Night
Message-ID: <199511300444.XAA02552@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Could someone PLEASE tell me where I can get a copy of the full version
of O Holy Night with James in the studio? I know there is a studio
version with Charlie and there is the version with just James and
John on guitar (this is on AD) but I have a tape of a radio show
and they play about 30 seconds of a studio version with James singing.
It sounds incredible!!!
Please let me know if you have this on tape. I have a massive bootlist
if you wanna trade for a copy of it.
-- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:38:19 +0000 From: rquezada@monmouth.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A couple "Next album" ideas........ Message-ID: <199511300639.BAA07256@shell.monmouth.com>
Since U.S. eMpTyV doesn't want to show too many rock videos anymore, does anyone out there think that we should ask if the record label could offer the videos on a VHS tape and maybe LaserDisc to the people who buy the album? Maybe they could include a reply card in the CD for us to return for a tape of the videos? Of course, the video won't be free, but maybe this way those of us in the US can see some videos of DT.
Either that or they could include on of those CD+ discs with digitized videos on a CD in Quicktime, AVI, or MPEG format so we could watch them on a PC/Mac and still listen to the music on the DT CD in a regular CD player. That would cut down on the amount of music on a disc if it only came with 1 CD. If they included 2 CDs (one with just the songs and the other with the videos), that would be better. They could make it a limited edition of 20,000 copies or even more if they wanted to.
Just an idea...... rq
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:38:48 -0500 From: arom@capital.edu (Aaron Rom) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: keyboards, James, Trevor Rabin, and other stuff Message-ID: <9511300638.AA02072@athena.capital.edu>
A long-winded reply to several people:
Zach: WHAT!?!?!? No keys in Dream Theater? Are you nuts? God, why don't we ditch Steve Howe from Yes? They can make it fine without him! Jeez, you must be a guitarist! Keys provide the perfect foil to JP's over-the-top playing, they keep him from going totally overboard. Dream Theater without keys just wouldn't be right.
To whomever suggested Trevor Rabin as 6th man of DT: I like the idea, no not only for what he would add as a guitarist, songwriter, and singer, but as a keyboardist as well. As you may know, Trevor had a significant hand in the keyboard parts of the Yes albums that he worked on, playing all of the non-organ stuff on "Talk". Check the opening piano riff on the Silent Spring section of Endless Dream, talk about some serious chops. His guitar style would be a d decent compliment to JP's, can you imagine them trading fours? His songwriting would, IMHO, add a significant new aspect to DT's sound, and would give them perhaps the necessary hit without dragging them into the Yes/Genesis neo-prog pop sellout crap. He could also add tremendous harmonies and leads to James' singing, though I don't hear their voices blending too well. The only fault is obviously ego. Trevor was the dominating force behind 80's Yes, even with Chris Squire and Jon Anderson in the group, and with JP being the apparent force behind DT, I think there would be a serious ego clash. And, when the 8 piece version of Yes did the Union tour, Trevor absolutely drowned out Steve Howe, a move that truly displayed what an arrogant fuck Trevor is. Steve Howe has far more credibility and stature as a guitar player and songwriter than Trevor has, So again, a great idea, but think it over. Another suggestion might be Shawn Lane, whose solo album released a few years ago on Shrapnel records displays what a true talent he is, on guitar, keyboards, and other stuff.
As for the new Jammer who made the idiotic move of trying to reignite the favorite band flame, if he put Blind Melon and Hole as two of his top five, it has to be a joke. After what happened the last time someone posted on BM, good Lord. I hope that dude is wearing fire proof clothing, because he is about to get flamed big time. "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do," some Bible passage, but don't start flaming me for making a Christian reference, I was simply making a point.
Aaron Rom -arom@capital.edu-
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 2:01:30 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Ideas Message-ID: <9511300701.AA02345@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
One problem: Classic rock is not as bad as you make it out to be. I actually like Van Halen, Aerosmith, and Boston. Don't knock classic rock. Some Genesis is actually classified as classic rock, as well as Led Zeplin, and Deep Purple, both of which DT has covered.
And as to Trevor Raben going into DT, I don't know if that would work, because Raben wants to be Mr. front man. He'd want to sing, and do lead work. I don't think DT has the room for that. Let Raben start his own band and do his thing. I like Raben, but I saw an interview with him where he openly admitted that he is used to being the lead singer and that having to take a back seat to John Anderson was a tough pill to take, (maybe that's why he left Yes?) If he had to take a backseat to James vocally and JP guitarwise? Don't think that'll happen.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 2:09:46 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT songs coverred by other bands Message-ID: <9511300709.AA30835@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Dt covered by ...
Let's have Yes or rush do ACOS. I'd have an orgasm.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:20:46 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <951130022044_61558058@emout06.mail.aol.com>
ladies and gentleman.
i think i figured it out. "raise the knife" is a veiled reference to kevin moore having to go for surgery/chemo for his testicular cancer!!! genius aren't i?? ha!
other brillint topics dt can write about for their upcoming album: a) a tune about how keyboardists suck and they wish they can do without derek (btw, not only am i a guitarist, i'm a pianist as well, but found it funny enough to mention)
b) a bass solo, so jm can show off his new bass sound, ala bootsy collins.
c) a song about what jp is naming is twins (i still go with miracle and sleeper)
d) a recording of james' vocal warmups to prove that he can sing better than any 80s vocalists, including michael jackson.
e) a song featuring marty friedman, with jp doing the rhythm
f) a song to explain why they had "steel rein" open for them at the malibu in june (i hope they had GOOD reasons)
g) mp's drum clinics!!
h) a song dedicated to the most infamous ytsejammer of them all, bafuckin vaidiot!! (no, bafu, i'm not digging on you, seriously; just couldn't help it)
i) a song about their top 5 bands
bill wrightson: you get da tape???
the end
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 2:24:32 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: 33 Morsels of Ytsetrivia Message-ID: <9511300724.AA03402@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Bafu. Great job on the ytsejam quotes. Good to see that somebody remembered me for ripping Toxic Waltzer.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:49:50 -0800 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT funk and Jazz/Let's not be tunnel visioned Message-ID: <199511300749.XAA03157@ix5.ix.netcom.com>
YtseDan wrote:
>On the John-Myung-bass-sound-for-the-new-album thread:
Someone else said:
>>Idea #2: A song that features John Myung with a Kick-Ass bass >>groove. Something along the lines of a Les Claypool type song. They >>can do jazz, they can do bluesy stuff (in concert), but can they pull >>off funk? Should they?
>I don't think funk is suited to DT,
And Michael C. says:
Of course DT should "funk out" if they so choose. If they have the ability to do funk with a metal bent then by all means let them push the envelope of their mix. It would be awesome to hear DT do some blues and classical too. The guys are seemingly capable. Why limit or turn your nose up if they choose to go off in never never land. It would just reaffirm (SP) to me that their talent is far-reaching.
Remember when Rush broke off into that Jazz fill on the Counterparts intstumental? Very tasty.
God Bless,
Michael C. (the politically incorrect, but not religious (though Christian) DT fan.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 00:24:00 -0800 From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re:Classical Covers Message-ID: <199511300824.AAA04814@atlas.earthlink.net>
Zappa did Ravell's (sp?) Bolero on The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life.
James Garrett ________________________________ jpgarrett@earthlink.net
This album contains material which a truly free society would neither fear nor suppress. Frank Zappa
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Date: 30 Nov 1995 08:59:59 -0500 From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Ytsejam Message-ID: <n1394400282.11903@macsmtp>
>> 2.) On the same boot, I think LaBrie said it like "Yet Say". is this >> correct?
Well, he's Canadian, so his accent makes him say it wrong.
Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com "Men without vices rarely have virtues" - Abe Lincoln
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 11:13:23 MET From: freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: current bootlegs? Message-ID: <m0tL5zY-0000vsC@cubnt1.cube.net>
Hi there,
i am just tempoorary for a short question on this list again...(the legendary to be forgotten organizer of the internet we-want-acos campaign):
whats new with DT boots? are there any real good (like DoE or LitS in the old days...) from the awake tour with material like caught in a web and so on? or can I request a FAQ concernig boots somewhere?
thanks & bye, freak
( Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany - freakmarked since 1987 ) freak@cube.net / freak@cubnet.de / Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66 ( fax:(++ 49 89) 689 18 71 voice: 0177 / 68 33 400 * "Seasons change - and so can I!" (Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons) *
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: DT List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: I NEED TO BE FLAMMED!! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9511300821.C24814-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
Gee, mister, I'm not sure if I can flam ya, but I'll try to really hock a lugie and flem ya!!
:)
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 15:08 MEZ From: roland.theysohn@protel.de (Roland Theysohn) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Jesus Saves? Message-ID: <m0tL9fG-0003MlC@ns.protel.de>
Marc Respass wrotes:
Jesus saves.Gretzky scores the Rebound. and
The Bruins defeat the Kings :-)
Sorry for no DT,but this must be said...
----Oh no,that is that Kraut from Germany again-----
DONT MISTAKE LACK OF TALENT FOR GENIUS
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: schew@TIS.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: fitipmol@ibmmail.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1164 Message-ID: <10222.9511301516@ragnarok.tis.com>
> >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:35:16 EST >From: fitipmol@ibmmail.com >To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com >Message-ID: <m0tKljR-0000GrC@donews.cts.com> > > > > >Hello fellow 'jammers! > >I've lately developed this interest in rock covers of classical >compositions...I thought you fellows (and the unknown amount >of ytsegirls) could help me. Here's the deal: If you know some >rock/metal cover version of some classical composition that isn't >mentioned in the list below, let me know who played which opus. >I'd like you to mail me personally, but if you think the other >jammers need to know this, post it on the 'jam. It's NDTC though. > >Edvard Grieg: Hall of The Mountain King is performed at least >by the following: Savatage, Whistle (Rap version) and Ritchie >Blackmore's Rainbow. Savatages version was "Prelude to madness" > >Beethoven:Fur Elise has been covered as a guitar solo of Accept's >Metal heart. > >Albinoni's Adagio has been performed by Yngwie Malmsteen on >Trial by fire-Live in Leningrad". > >Sibelius' Finlandia has been partly played by Stone and Leningrad >Cowboys. > >A band called "Exception" has covered LOADS of classical tunes. > >Tcshaikowsky's "1912" has been banged away by Cozy Powell. > >Beethovens "Ode for the joy" has been covered as Rainbow's >"Difficult to cure". > >..these are the ones I know about. More? >
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:16:26 GMT From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: James LaBrie Message-ID: <9511301516.AA02764@keppel.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Damon wrote: > To tell you the truth, when James made the foreign jokes, I really think > he was joking with the audience. I mean, when you have guys screaming at you > in Italian, what are you supposed to do? So gHe made a joke. I really don't > think anyone made a big deal about it. I don't see anything wrong with it. I > don't think it's an attack on foreigner audiences. My opinion, but still, ...
Just remember, that on a world tour it's James and the band who are the foreigners . . . NOT the audience.
Graham B. ______________________________ ______________________________________ |o o| |o o| | Graham Borland |:: | borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk |:: | Dept. of Computing Science |:: | http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: | Glasgow University |:: | +44 (0)141 357 4033 |:: |______________________________|:: |______________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:57:27 +0100 (MEZ) From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: Dont Look Past Me, SUBCON LINER NOTES POSTED Message-ID: <9511301557.AA100575@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Oh, Mike Bahr...!
I think I'll send you a copy of the updated Subconscious liner notes, too, as I will do to the ones who requested one the last days. ;-)
The lyrics of "Don't Look Past Me" are by Kevin Moore, not John Petrucci! This is 100% confirmed. Don't believe everything Mike Bahr writes, believe me ;-))
Steffen
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:56:19 +0100 (MEZ) From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: James voice?? Message-ID: <9511301556.AA72827@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
HEY!
Where's your curiosity? No questions for a little Ytsecon-interview?
Well...
Mr Who wrote:
> How does anyone think Bruce Dickenson (ex Iron Maiden singer) would >sound as fron man, I often think that James and Him sound similar in >parts.
Oh, the Ytsejam list wants to replace the frontman once again. No flames intended! You are right, there are similarities, but it sounds like we are searching for yet another new vocalist. James LaBrie is an excellent singer, why do you all criticise him that much during the last Jams?
To sum up all posts about DT vocalists of the last Jams:
a) They should do more harmonies in studio. b) They should do harmonies live at all. c) Charlie Dominici is absolute crap, he can't sing at all. d) Though James LaBrie is a lot better than Charlie Dominici, many people don't like DT because they think he sounds like 80s-metal-singers. e) He sounds generally too much like a metal singer. f) I don't like his attitude. g) I don't like a frontman who looks like Fabio...
They do a lot of harmonies in studio and they are doing fine. I agree they should try to support James live with some of these harmonies, but it's not as if the lack of harmonies would ruin the whole song or even show.
Charlie Dominici is a typical 80s-prog-singer, and since WDADU is classical 80s-prog he fits perfectly. Listen to early Fates Warning, then you know what I'm thinking of when I say 80s-prog. I'm glad they kicked Dominici after this album, they grew out of this 80s-prog category with IAW.
BTW, FW's John Arch had an audition with DT, remember? He doesn't sound like an 80s metal singer. Maybe he'd be a better choice for DT, so no one could say the singer sounds too much that way? If they would had taken him, then 95% of us wouldn't be on this list and the ones now complaining about 80s-metal-James would say "what a crappy prog singer!" instead.
Damon M. Fibraio wrote:
>James likes to write more melodic vocal lines and doesn't sing horribly >doesn't mean he sucks. But people like to knock what they don't understand >and progressive rock is the big misunderstood music form around.
YES! You're so absolutely right, I HAD to quote this!
To the ones who don't like James's raw voice: Remember that DT is still a prog-METAL band. If you don't like this, better keep on listening to Rush. Listen to The Mirror. It works only with a raw, angry voice. I love to hear someone with a classical trained voice sing that way. There are many vocalist who just scream and there are many who just sing clearly. It's a LOT more difficult to sing one moment with a really raw voice and in the next with a soft, smooth one. I'm glad James put more variety into his voice this way. I don't think many other vocalists could do that.
Back again to Mr Who:
>time", I feel the balance is just right. In fact, I feel that on "Awake" >the vocals dominate far too much when they appear. "Dont tell me you >wanted me, dont tell me you thought of me...." However I would like to
Listen to Lie and The Mirror once more. It's the same as for maybe Another Day, the vocals are very important, so they are automatically dominant, but on The Mirror/Lie the voice is very raw, and, last but not least, the production is a lot more lively.
>go over the top and his vocals tend to dominate the song. "Voices" Is my >prime example of this. In songs like "Learning to live" or "Take the
Voices... umm... look at the song title ;-)
I think the voice on IAW (overproduced, not a bit lively) and especially on ACOS (flat and too mixed down) could be even a lot more dominant ;-) Taste differs...
Ok, attitude. He sometimes appears arrogant on stage because he takes the music very seriously. That's absolutely ok since he doesn't become a pathetic asshole like eg Axl Rose.
Steffen Barabasch
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Date: 30 Nov 1995 10:35:10 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1165 Message-ID: <199511301639.AA05073@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 11/29/95 23:38 On the whole "five non-DT bands" thing--didn't I see a "laussade" in that address someplace? I thought I did and that's why I didn't think it was real. Ben, are you trying to rock the boat a 'lil? :) LATER-
Steve
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:43:39 GMT From: auzzy@mails2.entpe.fr (Stephane Auzilleau) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: VANDEN PLAS (progressive metal content) Message-ID: <199511301843.SAA15713@mails2.entpe.fr>
Hi there,
Just few words to invite you to listen to the fantastic album of VANDEN PLAS, a band from Germany. "Color temple" is very impressive, in a style that mix metal, progressive, and FM. Some songs sound like DT or QUEENSRYCHE and their epic songs (like "Soul survive" or "When the wind blows") are simply astonishing.
I saw them live yesterday, and it kicked ass. Undoubtely the best show I have seen recently, since the last European DT Tour. Moreover, they are die hard DT fans, but don't try to copy them.
I listen to a lot of prog metal bands, and I would put VANDEN PLAS just after DT, before other excellents bands like IVANOHE or SHADOW GALLERY. Taste VANDEN PLAS, you won't be disappointed.
Still looking for DT traders, especially in Europe; but other traders are welcome, even if it is more difficult for the videos, in so far as we don't share the same standard.
The new Tori Amos (= a masterpiece) album is planned for January 22nd, with a single one month before. A European tour will follow (about 20 dates in UK in february/march). Bye,
Stephane Auzilleau Your Majesty, French Fan Club of DT
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Date: 30 Nov 1995 10:46:10 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: (U)Van Halen's twin attack :) Message-ID: <199511301654.AA04026@interlock.amoco.com>
Yes, Sammy did play rhythm guitar on the Live W/O A Net tour. I also remember hearing about Eddie having to do some teaching for Sammy to get all the chords and solo patterns. LATER-
Steve
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