YTSEJAM Digest 1014
Today's Topics:
1) My Boot List
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu>
2) Guitar Shop Magazine
by garyake@digital.net (gary ake)
3) Alex Fraser, please read
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1011
by NEFARiOUS <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
5) random stuff, etc.
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
6) Fred's remarks + SURVEY, HELLOOOO!!!
by Chris Crowder <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
7) Lie download
by Fernando Ma <ma@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
8) KEEP DREAM THEATER UNDERGROUND!!!
by Eric Schlelein <eric@u.arizona.edu>
9) Just a few questions...
by James Grace <graceja@southwestern.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1007
by acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
11)
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
12) ATTENTION: DALE BRANDT!!!!! (No-DT)
by Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
13) Re: King's X CD
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1008
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
15) Awake cutouts?
by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
16) Pantera and DT
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
17) Re: Fates Warning *MDTC*, yes?
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
18) Re: Petrucci's use of the wah. Annoying?
by elliot h kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
19) Minimal DT Content. Hey! So SUE me!
by laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
20) Instrumental II?
by 191547620@UCIS.VILL.EDU (Stefan T. Rau)
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:24:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: My Boot List
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951007122350.21120A-100000@ucsu.colorado.edu>
I am always looking for bootlegs by:
Dream Theater (especially Awake videos and anything after the "Waking
Up The World Tour")
Extreme videos
Van Halen (especially video of the 9/20 Denver "Snowfest" and ANY
old Roth-era boots)
Phish (especially 6/30/95 at Great Woods, MA & 12/31/94 at Boston
Gardens
COMING SOON:
Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams"
I have noted all "professional" releases in quotation marks, and when I
own the CD, that is also mentioned just after the title. All others are
audience recordings (both audio and video). If you would like to work
out a trade, I am very reliable, use high-grade tapes, and have a good
turn-around time. If you have any specific questions, let me know.
Send your trade proposals and other requests to: bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu
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AEROSMITH (2)
"Love in an Elevator" 1CD (A) -- (Winterthur, Switzerland 1990)
great sound quality from PUMP tour, 65:49
"USA 1993" (B) -- (Costa Mesa, CA 7/30/93) Audience recording 120min
ALICE IN CHAINS (1)
"Live and Unchained" (B+) -- 2 small sets, some songs are repeated
75min
BON JOVI (1)
"An Evening With Bon Jovi" (A+) -- Recorded for MTV special just
before KEEP THE FAITH was released, recorded from FM
broadcast; some great acoustic tracks 90min
DEF LEPPARD (2)
Denver, CO (A) -- Same recording as "In the Round, In
Your Face" video
"Los Angeles 1992" 1CD (A-) -- (LA Forum 12/30/92) Great version
of "Rocket" 64min
DREAM THEATER (33)
Acoustic Release Gig for Awake (C+) -- 10/14/94 NYC, Mulcahy's; Voices,
Silent Man, and BAD (U2 cover) 15min
"Classics Live" (B-) -- (Plus 5, Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12/5/92) 70min
"Consciously Unreal" (C+) -- 1989 tracks with Chalie Dominici on vox
"Dance of Eternity" 2CD (A-) -- Contains VERY rare performances
of "A Change Of Seasons" and "Eve" w/samples 117:21min
Denver, CO (A-) -- Mammoth Events Center 11/22/94 Personally
recorded from FM broadcast, 110min
"Dream Out Loud" (B+) -- Buffalo, NY 5/18/93 77min
Hollywood, CA VIDEO (C+) -- The Palace 2/12/93
Houston, TX (B+) -- Tower Theater 11/18/94 110min
"InstruMental" (B+) -- Before they had a singer to record WDADU
"Lie Single" 1CD -- includes To Live Forever studio & Another Day live
"Live at The Marquee" 1CD (A+) -- Japanese Version
Live in Long Island VIDEO (B+) -- Entire show
"Live in Long Island 1" (B-) -- (Sparks Club, Long Is., NY) 68min
Live in Stockholm (A) -- Recorded for Swedish radio show
"Lords of Sound" (B+) -- Summerfest, Milwaukee, WI 6/29/93 100min
"Lost In The Sky" (A+) -- From Milan, Italy 120min
"Majesty Demos" (B) -- 1986 original demo recordings 32min
Other Majesty Stuff -- Wanted Dead Or Alive; Mission Impossible
(studio); O Holy Night; The Golden Weight; Don't Look
Past Me
Making of Images and Words VIDEO (C-) -- Band's own footage in
the studio
MCA Showcase VIDEO (B+) -- S.I.R. Studios, NYC 4/26/89 w/ Charlie
Kevin Moore "Music Meant To Be Heard" (A) -- Kevin's Demos after
he left the band
New Haven, CT VIDEO (B-) -- Toad's Place 3/8/93
New Haven, CT (B) -- Palace Theater 10/22/94; includes Innocence
Faded and The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun, 120min
Pittsburgh, PA VIDEO (C+) -- Metropol 10/29/94
Mike Portnoy Radio Interview (A) -- features demo "Caught In A
Web" 60min
San Antonio, TX (B+) -- Majestic Theater 11/14/94, 110min
San Francisco, CA VIDEO (A-) -- Warfield 6/5/93
"Silent Man Single" 1CD -- includes TTT demo and Eve studio
Sundance VIDEO (B-) -- Bayshore, NY 10/4/89 w/ Charlie
Sundance (C-) -- 1989 instrumental concert before LaBrie joined;
features Grab That Feel (TTT), Creep With Tonality (LTL) &
Light the Fuse and Get Away
Toronto VIDEO (A-) -- RPM, 7/20/93
Unplugged VIDEO (B-) -- 12/24/93 John and James performing Silent
Man and O Holy Night on Chirstmas TV auction w/interview
about Awake
Vocalist Audition Tapes (B) -- includes James on acoustic To Live
Forever
EXTREME (1)
Live at Castle Donnington (B+) -- 6/4/94 Great Show 90min
FREDDIE MERCURY TRIBUTE (1)
"A Concert For Life" VIDEO (B+) This is the full 4 1/2 hour show
broadcasted by MTV
GUNS N ROSES (2)
Live in Paris VIDEO (A) -- This was the Pay-Per-View Special they
did with Soungarden opening
"Rocket Queen" 1CD (A) -- The Ritz Los Angeles, CA 1988, 54:20min
MOTLEY CRUE (2)
Shout Outakes (A-) -- Demos include Black Widow, Run For Your
Life, I'll Survive, Running Wild With the Night, Hotter
Than Hell 45min
Tuscon, AZ (B+) -- Recorded from soundboard 1983, 45min
PEARL JAM (7)
"Atlanta, GA" (A+) -- Excellent quality, recorded for radio 120min
"Drop In The Park" VIDEO (B-) Seattle, WA 9/20/92, Free concert
"In Rock We Trust" (A) -- These were the 2 acoustic sets they
played at Shorline, CA for an AIDS benefit 60min
New Orleans, LA VIDEO (A-) -- 11/17/93, features Victoria Williams
"No Fuckin Messiah" (A) -- Various Dates, includes Dock of The
Bay and Won't Back Down 60min
"Versus Sessions" (A-) -- Includes demos and Eddie w/ the Doors
at the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame 60min
"Versus The World" (A to B+) -- Various Dates, icludes some
studio demos 60min
PHISH (3)
Boston, MA (B) -- Great Woods, 7/24/93, includes covers of
Purple Rain, Good Times Bad Times, and Freebird (a Capella)
"Live Outside" VIDEO (A+) -- Professionally shot at Woodbury, VT
ski resort (date unknown)
Worcester, MA (A-) -- 12/31/93, includes cover of Cracklin' Rose
REM (2)
"Automatically Live" (B) -- 40 Watt Club, Athens, GA 11/19/92, 90min
"Hitting The Note" (B-) -- Mixed Performances, MTV Sessions, 90min
RUSH (1)
"Rush Hour - Greatest Hits Live" (A-) -- 65min
STING (3)
"21 Sumner's Tracks" (B+) -- 120min
"Chicago '91" (A+) -- 9/4/91, His 4-piece band in a Chicago radio
studio playing live, excellent sound and performance
"Happy Birthday Sting" (A) -- 10/2/91, Includes full concert from
Soul Cages Tour and full MTV Unplugged recording
U2 (3)
Denver, CO (C) -- Mile High Stadium 10/21/92, Audience recording 120min
"Outside Broadcast" (A) -- Mixture of performances, tied together
with interviews, etc. Clever Boot
"Sydney 1993" (A) -- Cricket Sports Ground 11/27/93 180min
VAN HALEN (4)
"Love Walks In" 1CD (A-) -- 1987, Same show as Live Without A Net, but
includes Good Enough and Wild Thing, 61:14min
San Francisco, CA VIDEO (A-) -- Cow Palace 5/8/92, Excellent Show
"Secret Gig at Whisky-A-Go-Go" 2CD (A-) -- 3/3/93,This is the gig they
played while recording the video for Dreams
"Take It To The Top" 1CD (B) -- Dallas, TX Dec 1991 This was the
free concert they played in the streets of Dallas (anybody
have a video of this?)
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Again, I am Adam Bertapelle: bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 02:40:12 -0400
From: garyake@digital.net (gary ake)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Guitar Shop Magazine
Message-ID: <199510070640.CAA08318@ddi.digital.net>
Hey everybody, just in case anybody is interested. The October 1995 issue of
Guitar Shop magazine has a article on John Petrucci guitar rig (live and
studio ),recording of their CD at Beartracks Studio in New york and his new
J.P. model Ibenez guitar. Also the guitar riff in the Live in Tokyo Video is
Panteras "By Demons Be Driven" and the guitar parts are samples by the way
it sounds. That's Dime Bag Darrels signature sound which is nothing like
J.P. sound. SEEYA...............
Gary "Guitar Wizard" Ake
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:05:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Alex Fraser, please read
Message-ID: <199510071905.PAA28446@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
Sorry to post this here, but I can't find the email address...
Alex Fraser, please email me when you read this...
--
+----------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| We can learn from the past | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| But those days are gone +---------------+ Brandeis University |
| We can hope for the Future | A Change Of +---------------------+
| But there may not be one | Seasons | Here we go STEELERS |
+----------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: NEFARiOUS <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1011
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951007155219.27650A-100000@mothra.syr.edu>
Somebody was asking if there was anybody here who was not especially
into Rush/Kings X/FW, etc.... thats me. I used to be really into death
metal (no, that doesnt mean Pantera or Slayer... it means Deicide,
Gorguts, Napalm Death, Monstrosity, Ripping Corpse, and the funniest name:
Defecation, etc). I've been getting out of it latly, and more into
Type-O-Negative, Life of Agony, Sheer Terror, and shit like that... I'm a
drummer tho, so I still like listening to death metal for the drums, and
thats how I got into Dream Theater... of course, DT is nothing like those
other bands...
On a similar note, I went to a Mike Portnoy drum clinic here in
Syracuse, NY and he mentioned that he's been listening to two bands that I
really happen to like: Fear Factory (get Demanufacture--its really good)
and Machine Head (which is cool if you're into slayer, but more
technical...). Of course, he also said (no lie) that he like the Foo
Fighters album... :(
any other DEATH METAL freaks out there???
-nefarious
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:20:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: random stuff, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.951007150623.9007B-100000@timon.acu.edu>
To the person who mentioned Ozric Tentacles. I have Arborescence
and Jurassic Shift as well as a mix tape someone made for me. They have
other albums called: Pungent Efulegent, Live Underslunky, and some other
weird titles. As best as I can tell, all their material is about the same
quality. There is something to be said for consistency.
A startlingly good idea occured to me a few days ago: a DREAM
THEATER/QUEENSRYCHE tour. Both band should be releasing an album next
year (hopefully) and a tour like that would be amazing. Kinda like the
Metallica/GNR thing a couple years back but far better, of course. Just a
thought (maybe we should try to push the idea).
Some people seem to be interested in what Jammers like other than
the obvious bands like D.T, Rush, Yes, Queensryche, King's X, etc. Well,
I like all those plus I like echolyn, King Crimson, the Waterboys, Damn
the Machine, Royal Jelly, I Mother Earth, Kyuss, Galactic Cowboys, Atomic
Opera, Leviathan, Magellan, Voivod, E.L.P., U.K. (who have a new album
coming out), Sting, Michael Manring, Faith No More, Marty Freidman (solo
work) and a bunch of other stuff which I can't think of at the moment.
For those who care, I read on the internet that Edwin, the singer
from I Mother Earth, and Les Claypool will be appearing on Alex Lifeson's
solo album (I don't know to what degree).
Sorry for the lack of DT content.
kyle
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 16:23:52 CDT
From: Chris Crowder <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fred's remarks + SURVEY, HELLOOOO!!!
Message-ID: <00997859.C13F3D60.2@postman.harding.edu>
In Ytsejam 1011, Fred wrote about in ACoS, at 13:00, where the music
becomes somber and full of life. I agree TOTALLY!!!!! The beauty of the
keyboards, lead guitar, and bass being played together captivated me from the
first moment I heard it! I especially like the well-timed guitar riff that
occours at 13:13-15 that seems to perfectly flow into the harmony. It is
awesome!!!!!!! I LOVE DREAM THEATER!!!!!
17 responses so far :(
IS THAT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COME ON GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I NEED MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For those of you who don't remember the questions or are new to the list and
don't have them to begin with, here they are...
Question 1:
Do you agree with the O.J. Simpson verdict?
(A simple Yes, No, Don't Know, or Who's O.J.? will be sufficient.)
Question 2:
What is your favorite Dream Theater album?
(Mine is IMAGES & WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Still can't get tired of it!!!!!!)
Only 17 responses so far. I thought that many more of you would be more than
willing to share your mind (as you always do) than have already. Speak your
mind, guys....PLEASE!!!!
E-mail me at:
<jccrowder@harding.edu> ASAP!!!
You've got until Wednesday, October 11!!!!!!!
About to pee in my pants awaiting my copy of Acoustuic Dreams,
Chris Crowder
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:47:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Fernando Ma <ma@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Lie download
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951007114432.21061A-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
Anyone have trouble playing the "Lie" video downloadable from the
Official Electra DT page? My Quicktime for Win. won't play it. I saved it
as lie.mov. Thanks.
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Fernando Ma
ma@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu
http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
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"...She turned around for one last look, she looked me in the eye, I
said I love you...goodbye. PLEASE DON'T GO!"-Dream Theater
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities
of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men..."-Jules, Pulp Fiction
"Indecision is my enemy."-Afghan Whigs
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:40:40 -0700
From: Eric Schlelein <eric@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: KEEP DREAM THEATER UNDERGROUND!!!
Message-ID: <199510072040.NAA30688@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
All this talk about calling into radio stations and requesting DT
songs is kind of irking me. Before I subscribed to the Ytsejam list, I
never knew that there were so many DT fans out there.
I personally don't think that DT should be "mainstream" I mean, I
wish the guys in the band the best, and God knows they deserve to be the
best band in the world, but if they did get really popular, I think the
music would start to degenerate. I've seen the boyz twice in Denver in a
very intimate setting (Mammoth Events Center), and I just can't imagine DT
playing huge stadiums. In fact I think that DT would start to lose the
hardcore fans like me if they were on eMpTyV every second like TLC.
I think that DT's music means so much to me that if it was played on
MTV every other minute, it would lose that meaning. Just like Qryche's
Empire lost some kind of meaning for me after Silent Lucidity became popular.
If anyone out there agrees with me, say something. We must keep
Dream Theater underground!! The music is too important!!!
Eric
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:54:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Grace <graceja@southwestern.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Just a few questions...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951007155042.7041A-100000@ralph.southwestern.edu>
Hey..this is my first post and I have just a few questions...if somebody
could send meanswers to these, i'll be very happy!
My address is graceja@southwestern.ralph.edu
1. What is the (Latin? Italian?) phrase in the middle of Take the Time,
and what does it mean?
2. What is Acoustic Dreams and where can I get it?
3. I love ACOS and think that the title track is nothing short of amazing!
Well...that's all for now...if someone could please EMail me back I'd be
happy!
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:45:56 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1007
Message-ID: <199510062145.RAA14716@zork.tiac.net>
>
>
> For the few of you who can't hear it, and I don't know why you can't,
>the pedal tone on the intro IS a b. From what I believe, it is not JUST the e
>tuned down to a b. Going down to a b with an e string would not enable the
>string to be tight enough to have the tone it does on ACOS, let alone ANY tone
>that I would want to have.
Well, many people when tuning down restring the bottom E. Sometimes as large
as a 60, I usually have a 46 on my bottom E.
>I believe that it is not just a b string replaced
>for the e string. It is either a seven etring acoutstic or a six string with
>the bottom siw stirngs of a seven stirngs, ie B E A D G B.
This makes some sense, but can anybody tell if any notes on the high E are
played? I think I might of heard an open string on the high E..but I'll have
to give it another listen
>The more I think
>about it, the more the latter of the two seems reasonable. Any conflicting
>ideas that make sense? Please post, and I will see if I am wrong. I'd rather
>hear some agreeing, though. Thanks ...
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Well first of all, I know for fact that he uses an old Gibson with really
large strings in the studio. He says it "kills my fingers when I play it,
but the tone is great". That fact that it has really large strings may
support the tuning down idea...
Another possibility is a pitch shifter, however I've never heard a pitch
shifter that could get as great tones as ACOS. But there are some new ones
out there...and on JP's budget who knows what he could get
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| Adam Cook Dream Theater*Queensryche*Rush* |
| acook@tiac.net Metallica*Fates Warning Red-Sox gotta beat |
| Ibanez S470*ADA MP-1*Fender HOT*Zoom 1012* Indian Scum!! =) |
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 18:46:09 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <9510072246.AA25496@junix.ju.edu>
>Well, the votes are in, and the new Cd for after WDATU, with
>rarities and demos and vocal auditions will be titled...
>
> "Mercy Fuck"
I hope your kidding!
____________________________________________________________________________
"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ATTENTION: DALE BRANDT!!!!! (No-DT)
Message-ID: <199510072312.TAA12283@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
DALE BRANDT,
Please read this. I forgot to write down your address and you didn't send
me you email address. I have your Subcon dub and I need your address to
send it to, again!
Sorry for the inconvenience and wait that this has caused....
Doug Merrell
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:45:42 EDT
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: King's X CD
Message-ID: <9510080045.AA18680@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
> I went into the local used CD store today and saw Building Blox for
> $9.25. I am under the impression that this CD is very hard to find. If anyone
> on the 'Jam would like me to pick it up for them, just let me know. I looked
> at the track listing and the songs were all from their other CD's except for
> one unreleased tune. The liner notes said it was limited edition.
That's a cool CD. And yeah, it's hard to find. The reason it's hard to
find is because it's licensed for PROMOTION only, not for resale *grin*
I remember when they (marketing dept) was giving them away on the DT list.
Gave out the free CD to the first 500 people or something like that. I got
mine sitting on my stereo right now, listened to it the other night :)
Chris
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 17:59:32 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1008
Message-ID: <199510072159.RAA15111@zork.tiac.net>
> YTSEJAM Digest 1008
>
>Ya know, I was watching Live At Tokyo today and I just HAVE to ask this...
>
>When Portnoy goes into his oh, 8 minute drum solo, half way through, he gives
>this signal to Petrucci as to say "Let's do it now!". Then Petrucci and
>Portnoy echo each other in some sort of weird Death Metal chant or something.
>It's as if they expect us to recognize it or something! Well, me not being an
>afficianado of weird Death Metal chants, am asking you, The Jam what you think
>it is that they're playing. I've heard that sometimes that MP sometimes puts
>some Iron Maiden or Pantera into his solos (NOT that I'm suggesting that they
>are death metal bands!!!), so is this the case, or is it some other band?
>
>Please let me know. Let us all know, because for God's sake, the fate of the
>world depends on it!!!
>
That's a Pantera part. It's the very beginning of, "By Demons be Driven" on
"Vulgar Display of Power". I'm pretty sure that Petrucci is not playing that
part, and it's a sample. Because the tone sounds EXACTLY like the album.
Dimebag (pantera's guitarist) has a very distinctive tone. Anybody know if
I'm wrong? Oh and on Caught in a Web on the Awake tour, he had a Slayer song
in his solo. It hink it's safe to say that Mike has the heaviest influences
in the band
adam
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:42:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Awake cutouts?
Message-ID: <199510072242.SAA10520@palm.grove.ufl.edu>
I have some bad news for DT to tell you. Yesterday when looking
through Specs I noticed that a couple copies of Awake were in the
cutout bin, selling for $7.
Bad news for the band, I think.
--
If you can tolerate amateur poetry enough to do a SUCK/NOT SUCK poll,
PLEASE check out http://grove.ufl.edu/~jeremy. (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu)
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:43:55 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Pantera and DT
Message-ID: <9510080043.AA16908@junix.ju.edu>
>David--
> I'm not going to put the tape in and check, but I think that riff that
>Petrucci and Portnoy do together is Pantera from the Vulgar Display of Power
>album. I think it's from the song "Fucking Hostile." Someone want to back me
>up here?
All you guys who don't know what the LatM drum solo/ heavy guitar bit is,
need some help!!! It is from Pantera's Vulgar Display Album. THe song is
"By Demons be Driven". You guys reall yneed to check Pantera out!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not realy a death metal fan at all, but I must admit, PANTERA IS THE DT
OF HEAVY/GROOVE/METAL MUSIC!!!! Seriously, I only listen to DT, but
Pantera, still kick me in the butt occasionally.
If you guys think that the "Please dont go!" part of ACOS rules, check out
Any Pantera album! The entire album is "Please dont go"!!! Actually as
much as I like that part I gotta say htat many Pantera parts totally blow
that one away!!! Check out Vulgar Display of Power and expand your musical
tastes a little. I would definatly include PAntera as one of DT's
influences and I'm sure Mike P would too!
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"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 21:39:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Fates Warning *MDTC*, yes?
Message-ID: <4kRmiuu00iWXE6tlou@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail.ytsejam: 7-Oct-95 Re: Fates Warning *MDTC* by
SaVeur@gmu.edu
> howdy fellow 'Jammers,
> yes, i'm introducing another abr.: MDTC (Minimal Dream Theater Content).
> hehehe maybe not... ;)
I sorta feel like I should apologize for talking about Fates here, but
there's no better place to do it, and they are *very* closely related to
DT in a lot of ways, so...
>
> Dave <dduva@freenet.npiec.on.ca> wrote:
>
> ok, Fates' work doesn't jump out at you the first listen (and make sure
Some of it does. Depends on what you're looking for though. If you're a
fan of heavy stuff, No Exit will grab you right away and pound you into
dust. Parallels, though, is one of the most subtle Fates albums. It took
a long time to grow on me, and some parts of it still don't thrill me
(though I could listen to Point of View, 11th hour, and Still Water
forever without getting tired of them.)
> you're *listening* and not just *hearing*; HUGE difference). it's not
> supposed to "jump out at you". this is why Fates is so amazing! everything
> they do is very subtle and if you don't pay attention - ie. just passively
> hear the music - then you'll say "What's the big deal about this?"
> as i've posted before, to fully appreciate Fates, one must actively listen.
> that means picking individual instruments or parts and following only that
> and looking/listening at/to how that piece fits in with the rest to form the
> whole.
>
It depends on what you're looking for, but it is true that to appreciate
Fates you have to listen. If you're not sure what to listen for, you
might start with the drums on track 5 of Parallels.
I kind of think Mark Zonder should get more credit for songwriting...
his drums have taken the lead on the last few albums and have hugely
contributed to the uniqueness of the music, and somehow I don't think
Jim Matheos is telling him exactly what to play.
> so, ummm, what was i saying? oh yeah :) it takes time - at least from the
> people i've talked to - for Fates to grow on you. and that's what they do;
> grow.
Especially if you're starting with Parallels or Inside Out.
Keep in mind that Fates Warning has been constantly evolving since
they started out...I won't post a complete review of their discography
again, but if you want to try them out you have some idea of what it is
you're looking for and then ask around to find out which album is the
best to start with.
Here's the quickest summation possible:
Ultra-Heavy = No Exit
Lighter = Parallels
Progressive = Perfect Symmetry
And for a study in contrasts, listen to Yes's "Time and a Word" followed
immediately by "The Ivory Gate of Dreams."
Maybe someone can help me out with Yes. I can't stand Jon Anderson's
vocals, and usually the music doesn't impress me enough to try and get
over them. Is there any Yes fan out there who also hates his voice, but
knows of an album that you just have to listen to regardless because
it's that damn good?
-Max
Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:31:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: elliot h kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci's use of the wah. Annoying?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951007220418.6328A-100000@solix>
Who could ask such a question?!?!
Petrucci is a wah master. He's one of the best at using a wah.
Considering the current trends in music, yeah, I can understand how
another guitar player using a wah wah would be annoying. Some people
just hear that there is a wah and not what the player is doing with it.
The wah wah has gone in and out of style since it was invented. People
start getting annoyed with it after it's heard on every new record in a
certain time span. It's nearing the end of such a time span, and as luck
would have it, ACOS was released.
Listen to the solo from "Voices" and THAT'S how to use a wah wah. He
pushes the wah more thoughtfully, using it to accent certain notes and
phrases rather than just rocking it back and forth as wildly as your Doc
Marten-clad foot can.
In ACOS, he uses the wah in the same way that Frank Zappa and Michael
Schenker do - set it in one place and use it as a filter/tone-control.
This is responsible for some of the more nasally sounding tones on that
track. (don't have the time indexes handy)
************************************************************************
Elliott Kim Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:40:13 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Minimal DT Content. Hey! So SUE me!
Message-ID: <199510080240.TAA00498@maple.enet.net>
A couple months ago I got Rush's "Moving Pictures" and "2112". I
was thoroughly unimpressed. About 20 minutes ago, I popped 2112 into my
CDRom drive on my computer (which has a great speaker system) and was kinda
like "Whoa", trying to figure out what I hadn't liked about it the first
time. My opinion of Rush has completely changed in the last 20 minutes.
They're rather awesome.
Now for the minimal DT content. I was wondering, since I don't know
anyone else who's heard of DT, about the attendance at their concerts. Are
they usually full, or at least well attended?
BTW, I'm not getting rid of my sig. It's not that long and I like it.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Ben Laussade Dream Theater
laussade@enet.net
Metallica
Primus
Megadeth
"Would you like to buy a monkey?" Dave Letterman, from Cabin Boy.
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:05 EST
From: 191547620@UCIS.VILL.EDU (Stefan T. Rau)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Instrumental II?
Message-ID: <m0t1m4i-00009ZC@donews.cts.com>
Can someone tell me how to get a copy of the Instrumental II CD? The
Instrumental I have has Afterlife, TOWHTSTS, Ytsejam, Cry for Freedom, The
Killing Hand, Resurrection of Ernie, drum solo, and the "Guitar Player"
piece....I thought this one was the only one out there, but I must've been
wrong. Please help!!
--Sven
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