YTSEJAM Digest 1009
Today's Topics:
1) bass pedals on stage...
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
2) Silent Man: mystery solved?
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
3) DT video
by Masa Daigo <QZE13533@niftyserve.or.jp>
4) Stupid, but read this post for a goofy idea...
by curth@execpc.com
5) YTSEJAM digest 937
by Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
6) JP clinic
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
7) ACOS, etc.
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
8) Re: Bass Pedals
by k3058e1@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Obiltschnig Guenter)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1006
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
10) more stuff
by "Andrew S. Moore" <AMOORE@riker.anglia.ac.uk>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1007
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
12) Re: Rejected Mail
by <SUPERVISOR@rz_nwbck.rz.uni-ulm.de>
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 00:29:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: bass pedals on stage...
Message-ID: <199510060529.AAA28841@tam2000.tamu.edu>
> From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
> Subject: Bass Pedals
>
> I am curious if anyone recalls ever seeing DT use bass pedals in concert.
> Have seen them three times and dont recall seeing them, myself. And, I dont
> think that DT has ever used them on disk, but I am not positive. I personally
> have always liked bass pedals because they really fill out the overall sound,
> adding a lot high energy punch to the impact of those climatic moments.
actually they do use them on stage. john myung plays them. he uses the
roland PK-1 midi pedals, the one octave version, C to C i think.
myung triggers all the samples (voices, effects, etc.) with the pedals and
also does some low bass tones and high string pads too i think. i am not
too sure on the melodic part the pedals play live, since they are just
controlling synth modules in the rack, which could just as easily be
controlled by kevin/derek's keyboards. it is really hard to tell. but
i do remember myung triggering all of the samples with his foot on the
roland...
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:41:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Silent Man: mystery solved?
Message-ID: <199510060541.WAA01275@bud.indirect.com>
I just finished reading Arabian Nights, and as I was going
through the tales, I kept thinking "no fucking way, this _can't_ be a
coincidence this many times..." and turning to my lyrics sheet from the
Awake CD, and checking things against it.
I've come to the conclusion that Silent Man is about Arabian
Nights the way Pull Me Under is about Hamlet. I'm a bit short on time and
I want the chance to consolidate all my references on this, but it's a
bit too blatant to ignore, the same way the PMU-Hamlet connection was. So
I'll be back with more on this later. I'm also checking Voices... it's
not as blatant, but it's there... especially in the middle section, but
there's a lot of DT/John/whoever's own religious problems in there in
their theme as well.
More on this later...
Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 14:36:00 +0900
From: Masa Daigo <QZE13533@niftyserve.or.jp>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT video
Message-ID: <199510060556.OAA11806@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>
Congrats on getting to #1000!!
Matthew D Pastor wrote on Ytsejam #1005
>>A new DT bootleg has surfaced. It was recorded in Japan. It is a video
that
>>was recorded right after the earthquake occured that the band mentions in
the
>>liner of acos. During the concert, James requests 15 seconds of silence for
>>the earthquake victims. After 15 seconds, the band starts right into
"Silent
>>Man". Very, very cool. It was broadcast over Japanese TV and is
>>professionally shot. The set list is the same as the "Awake" tour in the U.S
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:25:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Stupid, but read this post for a goofy idea...
Message-ID: <199510060625.BAA08977@earth.execpc.com>
Hi jammers,
I actually had thought of this about a week or so ago, but since Jay produced
the alternate Killing Hand lyrics, and someone suggested a 74 min DT track,
then someone suggested they produce a box set based on their 24 hour jam
session, how bout this: DT release a 9 CD box set featuring one song (nine
movements of course) chronicalling everyones favorite (and finally over)
trial. Kinda sorta like Yess Tales For Topographic Oceans, eh? Okay its
stupid, but I thought I suggest it. (Maybe Mike P will get a kick out of this
post if he sees it...)
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: 06 Oct 95 02:53:15 EDT
From: Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 937
Message-ID: <951006065314_71473.371_CHU76-1@CompuServe.COM>
My $0.02 about DT's EP - A Change Of Seasons.
This album blows anything I've heard, DT or otherwise, away.
The covers were great, I hope the decide to release it fully as a live CD.
ACOS...Without a doubt, this is DT's absolute best work to date. It's got it
all...emotion, passion, power, everything. I hope their next disc can match it
for it's sustained brilliance. Awake was really good, but I&W had a sustained
brilliance about it that Awake just didn't equal. ACOS was, of course, written
in the I&W days, so it has that.
Also, without a doubt, Dream Theater is the best band out currently. I think
Derek was a more than worthy replacement for Kevin and it's only a matter of
time before they break out and hit the big time. As I said...sooner or later the
world will wake up and realize what they've been missing. And DT constitutes 98%
of all my music listening right now.
Prog rock's coming back... and DT is leading the onslaught! :)
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: JP clinic
Message-ID: <199510060650.AA28232@crl4.crl.com>
Yea, 'twas I who said he'd be going to a John P. clinic here in
Atlanta (time approximate after working at the Georgia Rennaissance
Festival -- I sell swords there :)). I don't have the microequipment
needed to record the clinic, and besides, as you pointed out, John is
"down" on bootlegging.... I'd hate to go against that.
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ---+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Queensryche * Michael Moorcock * Metallica | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Robert Heinlein * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Mercedes Lackey * Blue Oyster Cult * Raymond Feist....|------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 00:52:50 -0700 From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACOS, etc. Message-ID: <v02130502ac9a893e6cae@DialupEudora>
Finally, I can take a short breather from programming to let you all know my opinions on ACOS (like you care). The week of release was a very DT week for me - I picked up ACOS on the 19th, as well as the Silent Man single, and that Friday I received InstruMental I & II (thanks, Tim).
I'd been listening to the Subcon version of ACOS quite a bit to "prepare", so the changes threw me off. My main problem with the song was the feeling that I was being held back by the slightly slower tempo. But, somewhere around the 10th-15th listen, I decided I really like it. It took a while for me to like the Subcon version, too.
The following Sunday, thanks to the miracle of modern cd changer technology :^) I did a mini-ACOS marathon: InstruMental II -> Subcon -> ACOS EP versions <whew> If you've got the capability, I recommend it.
It's really nice to be able to listen to the covers recorded well, instead of this terrible sounding tape I'd been listening to. Of course, I still want the rest of the show as well.
And now Acoustic Dreams is coming! One helluva DT month! How am I supposed to find the time to listen to all my new New Model Army cds, huh?
How I got into DT: a couple months before I&W was released, there were people talking them up on a.m.r-n-r.prog (I think, I don't have time to read many newsgroups anymore). Anyway, between that buzz and a friend in Chicago hearing the same buzz, I decided I'd check it out. Unfortunately, nobody in Minneapolis gave a damn, so I had to special order the disc, sight unheard. The rest is history. I called the local radio station the first time I heard PMU and thanked them for playing DT. The dj was stunned I knew of them. I didn't see any of the videos until I bought LiT a couple months ago, so fans like you are the reason I'm here. And I can proudly say I've passed the favor on to half a dozen others.
Well, back to programming. That wasn't so bad, now, was it? pg 2 days til Soul Coughing one month til Boiled in Lead numerous misc. shows in between
----------------------------+---------------------------------- Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato | "Do be do be do" - Sinatra ----------------------------+----------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:17:54 -0300 (MET) From: k3058e1@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Obiltschnig Guenter) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Bass Pedals Message-ID: <199510060817.JAA13437@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>
Hi there,
After three long months without Ytsejam, I've finally rejoined the list...
In the last 'jam, "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com> wrote: >I am curious if anyone recalls ever seeing DT use bass pedals in concert. >Have seen them three times and dont recall seeing them, myself. And, I dont >think that DT has ever used them on disk, but I am not positive. I personally >have always liked bass pedals because they really fill out the overall sound, >adding a lot high energy punch to the impact of those climatic moments. >... (snip)
Well, I saw John Myong playing a bass pedal (some KORG thing, if I remember it right) in a concert I visited last march. He mainly used it to trigger the samples (via MIDI) in the Awake songs. But I think he also played some bass tones on it during the Metropolis encore. But I'm not 100% sure...
Have a nice day,
Guenter
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:32:51 -0700 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1006 Message-ID: <199510060832.BAA29130@ix.ix.netcom.com>
>You know, I don't think I could live very well without Dream Theater >music. Don't worry, I'm not getting suicidal or anyhting, it's just >that it's so much more than just notes. It means more to me than any >other music.
Get a grip Ben Laussade! Life will deal you cards that are much harder to play than that.
>Bafu Vai > >> "Mercy Fuck" >> Any feedback is appreciated. > >Sounds somewhat volatile, equivalent perhaps to coming out with a "Best of Los Angeles" cd with the title "Rodney King."
Is there anybody else out there as tired as I am of reading Mercy F____ in every y-jam? Sometimes I think this list is primarily composed of fifteen year old kids that marvel at the "F" word and probably have never performed the act they espouse by using that word. There are over 600,000 words in the english language. I can hear profanity anytime, anywhere, I don't want to pay for it in the music I listen to. My attraction to Dream Theater is because they are progressive in thought and they apply that to their music. It would be nice to move on to something else, just like DT does. Understand?
To who re-wrote TKH:
Bravo! Too bad OJ got away with it,..... for now that is. If african Americans would stop acting like victims of society perhaps they would cease to become as such.
Michael C.
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:29:20 BST From: "Andrew S. Moore" <AMOORE@riker.anglia.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: more stuff Message-ID: <618772446B@riker.anglia.ac.uk>
Hi,
1) Thanks to all the Jammers who sent me information about Fates Warning. The 'No Exit' CD is no longer available over here, but I have managed to get some FW stuff taped (thanks Patricia!), including 'The Ivory Gate Of Dreams'. I have now decided to get 'Perfect Symmetry' and 'Inside Out', and possibly 'Chasing Time'. Thanks again!
2) There's been a lot of posts comparring the studio ACoS to the DoE ACoS. When I bought ACoS I hadn't heard the DoE version, so I had nothing to compare it to. It has been interesting reading the reactions of some of the jammers. BUT! Now I have a copy of the DoE version (thanks again Patricia!!!) and I find myself in the opposite position - i.e. having played the studio version to death and got used to that, now playing the live version and hearing the different lyrics/old parts etc. and thinking, 'THAT part's missing...'! I was quite surprised at the live version, there's not really THAT much difference (apart from the intro.) until 'Another World', which lyrically has changed dramatically! There's also bits missed out of 'The Inevitable Summer' (the 'train' bit), although there is a bit in there that is not in the studio version that really ROCKS! (Is it just me or can I hear a bit of Bombay Vindaloo in this part?!!) Remember this is my view, comparing from the 'other side ', so to speak! I though it would make a change posting this view instead of endless 'Oh it's not as good as the live version..' views. (I actually prefer the studio version, although I do now find myself yelling PLEASE DON'T GO!! while listening to it!)
3) Thanks to Bafu Vai and James Peele for splitting my sides with their new lyrics! And a big 'lighten up!' to the guy who called Bafu an asshole - get a life and sense of humour!
4) What's wrong with calling the 'Antiquities' CD 'Mercy Fuck'? It's a good laugh! They're forgotten lyrics, aren't they?!!!
5) Sorry about the length (especially to Graham B.!!!) - I'll be good and drop my sig.!!!
Andy.
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:00:57 +0100 From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1007 Message-ID: <9510061200.AA02284@jason.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
> What about Deep Purple with Steve Morse on guitar, don't you > have tickets for that ? - next March ! (Album out in February > 1996)
Actually I only know 2 DP songs . . . Smoke on the Water, and Perfect Strangers. I think I should save my money for the next DT tour :)
> DREAM THEATER IS ALMIGHTY
I think Ricky Warwick might have something to say about that . . .
Graham B. (who has annoyed a lot of people on this list, re. long posts) ______________________________ ______________________________________ |o o| |o o| | Graham Borland |:: | borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk |:: | Dept. of Computing Science |:: | http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: | Glasgow University |:: | +44 (0)141 357 4033 |:: |______________________________|:: |______________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:29:01 MET-1 From: <SUPERVISOR@rz_nwbck.rz.uni-ulm.de> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Rejected Mail Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.951006132901.608@rz_nwbck.rz.uni-ulm.de>
> Received: From RZ_NWBCK/MAILQUEUE by charon.rz.uni-ulm.de > via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 102.950922072854.512; > 22 Sep 95 07:29:54 -200 > From: Postmaster@rz_nwbck.rz.uni-ulm.de > To: ytsejam@arastar.com > Subject: Rejected Mail > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 07:29:49 -200 > > > Unable to deliver message because: > > stegmeie@rz_nwfs1 : Insufficient Disk Space > > Returned Text follows > ------------------- > Received: From vmbb.cts.com by charon.rz.uni-ulm.de > via Charon-4.0-VROOM with SMTP id 102.950922072810.480; > 22 Sep 95 07:29:05 -200 > Received: from anthor.arastar.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp > (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0sw0Yo-0000XWa; Thu, 21 Sep 95 22:22 PDT > Received: from (localhost) by anthor.arastar.com (5.0/Beast-mark) > id AA07362; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:21:00 +0800 > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:21:00 +0800 > Errors-To: listman@arastar.com, jhough@qualcomm.com > Message-Id: <199509220116.VAA18734@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU> > Errors-To: ytsejam-owner@arastar.com > Reply-To: ytsejam@arastar.com > Originator: ytsejam@arastar.com > Sender: ytsejam@arastar.com > Precedence: bulk > From: ytsejam@arastar.com > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 972 > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Dream Theater List > X-Mailer: UVa PCMail 1.9.0 > content-length: 40590 > > YTSEJAM Digest 972 > > Today's Topics: > > 1) The Cheese Factor.... > by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> > 2) Myung > by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) > 3) ACOS > by Arthur Pendragon <pendragn@cs.iastate.edu> > 4) *** Thank You Letter to DT *** --Please READ!!! > by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM > 5) How I got into DT > by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles) > 6) meaning to ACOS lyrics and other stuff... > by curth@execpc.com > 7) misc ramblings > by Rich ROchelle <rr@asu.edu> > 8) LAST NIGHT... > by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu> > 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 969 > by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu> > 10) ACOS! > by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> > 11) ACOS (what else) > by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> > 12) I hated DT. > by godfther@netcom.com (godfather) > 13) Cover concepts on I&Ws & Awake > by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) > 14) Our duty as DT fans! > by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) > 15) First Post > by JIM <JSWEENEY5@vaxc.hofstra.edu> > 16) I always loved DT > by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) > 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 969 > by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) > 18) eve and TLF > by Everett W Painter <ewpainte@runet.edu> > 19) AWAKE cover art > by Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU> > 20) Re: My Random Musings > by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> > 21) Re: How I discovered DT. > by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu> > 22) DT Mods > by Jeremy Peter Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU> > 23) DT and success > by _the_pipeline_ <sdh9b@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:02:14 -0400 (EDT) > From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: The Cheese Factor.... > Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950921144533.25751A-100000@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu> > > The end of the new ACOS reminds me of the Star Wars scenario....as if Obi > Wan's saying to Luke..."Uh, I'm gonna die now, but my spirit will still > be hanging around"....real cheesy, especially compared to old vision of > the child screaming for his parent to not die, in the ending "Please > don't go's".....especially with my interpretation of the new ACOS (YJ > 967--the woman/love interest/ presumably the kid's other parent dying on > the protagonist as opposed to walking out) the child screaming "Please don't > go" to a second dying parent would be especially appropriate.... > > On another front: I've been listening to the 'perfect strangers' cover, > and then comparing that to the DP original, which is one of my all-time > favorites: It's great hearing DT do DP, but the original still holds the > upper hand....Dream Theater just doesn't hit those Kashmir grooves (the > part that sounds like it was lifted from Led Zep's song Kashmir) the way > Ritchie Blackmore did.....oh well, it's still an excellent song.... > > Anyhow, on a less critical note, I'm glad to announce that we may have a > new convert: I played the Led Zep covers to a Zep fan, and then moved on > to the rest of the EP....next comes Images and Words, then Awake.... > Partha Mukhopadhyay > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 12:05:47 PDT > From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Myung > Message-ID: <199509211905.MAA11983@netcom4.netcom.com> > > > Is Myung god or what? Listen to that bass line in ACOS... especially > during the part "Tripping through the light fanatastic... " > > Wow... > > -The Doc > > -- > #$%*#$*@ REAL: drkhoe@netcom.com + VIRTUAL: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ > *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ > **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ > *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:09:09 CDT > From: Arthur Pendragon <pendragn@cs.iastate.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: ACOS > Message-ID: <199509211909.OAA21116@cs.iastate.edu> > > Hi All, > Thought I'd jump on the bandwagon and sing the praises of ACOS. I > don't have DoE so I don't have that version to compare it to. I do > like it alot. Would somebody be so kind as to drop me an email kinda > telling what the differences are, basically story-wise. I really dig > epic songs. I think it kinda seperates the men from the boys in the > music industry. I really admire groups like DT and FW for being able > to write songs more than 4:00 long. Since I'm on the subject, is > there a FW mailing list? I've just recently gotten into them and > would like to find out more about them. Someone asked where Derek was > from wondering if he was from Long Isand. When I saw them in > Minneapolis last year he said he was from California somewhere. If > memory serves me correctly he even said he was a high-school drop out. > There were a couple other Ytse-jammers there when I was talking to > him, can anyone back me up? Well, that's all I have. > > Thanks > Todd > ________________________________________________________________________ > /Todd O Klindt Get WARPed today!!! \ > |tklindt@iastate.edu "Be dangerous, unpredictable, | > |toklind@dops.adp.iastate.edu and make a lot of noise!" | > |pendragn@cs.iastate.edu - Anthrax 'Poison my eyes' | > \________________________________________________________________________/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 12:09:18 PST > From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: *** Thank You Letter to DT *** --Please READ!!! > Message-ID: <9508218117.AA811710833@CCGATE.HAC.COM> > > I will now begin accepting personal messages to be included in the > thank you letter that we will send to DT for putting out ACOS (and for > thanking us in the liner notes :).. So go ahead and type up your > message to DT and send them to ME PERSONALLY (not the list), I will > compile all of them into a booklet format, print them and send them to > DT's management (more details as I get close to finishing it). Send > your submissions to: > mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com > put 'DTTYL' in the subject so I don't miss your email > > and include your name, city,state and email address... > > I would like to put a deadline on this for submissions, let's say > Oct 13th... that gives everyone a couple of weeks to do it. > > Also, if someone has the DT logo or other artwork in a format that I > can use (PC/Windows) please let me know... > > Any questions, comments, suggestions, etc. send 'em my my... > > +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ > | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) | > | mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com | > | http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm | > | ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... | > | "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." -Rush (The Band!) | > +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:50:58 -0500 > From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: How I got into DT > Message-ID: <9509211950.AA19708@ctcsunho.cummins.com> > > Hi all. > > Seems like everyone is jumping on this thread. Most of the stories > go something like "heard I&W and was hooked," or "heard WDaDU and was > hooked." My story starts out like this: > > A few days after Awake was released, I was lamenting to a friend about > the few days remaining until Queensryche's new release was coming out. > At the time I didn't even know what the name of their new release was. > (I live in a social void called Columbus, Indiana) Anyway, said friend > told me that the new Qryche was called Promised Land, and that I really > should check out Dream Theater. "Dream Theater? I had never heard of > that QRyche bootleg," I confided. Todd said, "No, they are a separate > group, and quite similar in some ways to 'Ryche." So when Promised > Land was released (I believe one week after Awake), I picked up both. > > I first listened to Promised Land. Then I listened to Awake. Then I > listened to Awake again. Then again. At first I thought the band was > QUITE heavy on the metal side (6:00 was the first song I heard of Dream > Theater). Then I heard impressions of Kansas (keyboard doubling up on > guitar). Then Yes and Rush. It took me quite a while to get "into" the > music. I know I loved it from the first listen, it just took me a long > time to hear everything that was going on. I was blown away. Two days > later I went back to find out if Dream Theater had any other stuff out > there. I found I&W. Now I had a choice. I could only listen to one of > them at a time. :) > > Well, that was back in November 94. I liked the two cds so much that > instead of making a crappy copy onto cassette with my boom box to listen > in the car, I bought both on cassette, too. Nine months later and both > cassettes are worn out. I can't get enough. Most of the people I have > shared them with have commented that they don't really like their style, > but can certainly respect them for the stunning musical ability they show. > I did have one convert. Of course, he is a big Rush fan, so one listen > and he was hooked. > > Sorry 'bout the length, but I felt like I had to share my story, since > it differs from most. BTW, I did end up getting WDaDU, when I found out > it existed this summer. > > Andy Stiles > as459@ctc.cummins.com > astil00@mail.cpbx.net > __ > O _ / \__@ _ > __ /\ __ ___________(_)___ _ \__/ \_ _______(_)__, > / \\ / \ / \___ (_) __/ ` ' > _\__//_\__/__ ____/ / \ > ________\__/^______ > ''''''''''``''''''''' > CYCLING ULTIMATE MOUNTAIN BIKING > > These are a few of my favorite things.... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:03:35 -0500 (CDT) > From: curth@execpc.com > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: meaning to ACOS lyrics and other stuff... > Message-ID: <199509212003.PAA27551@earth.execpc.com> > > Hi all, > > There has been some discussion about the lyrics to ACOS, specifically the > missing "Please don't go section". First, my opinion: I don't really miss it > - to me it seems as if nothing else was thought of to sing in that section, so > Please don't go was used just to fill in (remember, this is just MY opinion). > > > Anyway, for those of you who don't subscribe to the OFFICIAL DT fanzine, I&W > yet (shame on those of you who don't!! I highly recommend getting it - you > WON'T regret it. Address is in the Awake jacket), here's what Mike Portnoy > had to say about the ACOS lyrics (hope this answers questions in some of your > minds): "The story concept behind it, is in using the different seasons as a > metaphor for life, drawing on my own personal experiences, such as my > childhood and my mother's death." The text that follows that quote (dunno if > it's another quote from Mike P or what...) says: 'The factors are incorporated > into a story, whereby, the character goes through all the emotional ups and > downs of life. He becomes suicidal, and his life flies by. Eventually he > starts to appreciate life and his son, but it is too late for him, as he is > old and he is now dying.' > > A few quick other things about ACOS: I too miss the neo-classical guitar solo > (I loved it - my fave part), though the other one is good too. The snare is a > little annoying to me, but what can ya do? And that little keyboard solo > Derek plays with drum accompaniment (the one that sounds like a saloon piano) > doesn't fit at all! Other than that, I like the new version much better. > > On the full Ronnie Scott's show on video thread: Stephane (from France) told > me they originally were going to release the entire show on video, but the > quality wasn't good enough; I don't know what this means (sound bad? video > bad? what else is there?) - could you let us know what the problem was with > it, Stephane? > > On the thank you to DT thread: YES! Let's definitely send our thanx to the > band! I'm sure this will be well appreciated. It may also open the way for > more releases similar to ACOS in the future (perhaps we could petition for the > full length Ronnie Scotts video...). > > And speaking of petitions, maybe we could start another petition asking for > the Uncovered show (with different covers) to become a regular thing - once a > year or once every tour... As to what I'd like to hear them play, I have too > many, so lemme write 'em down and I'll post them later. How does everyone > else feel about this idea??? Oh and another thought (similar idea) how about > a one-off show of them playing all the old, unreleased songs (from the Majesty > demos, Resurrection of Ernie, etc.) that were never officially released? Just > some ideas... > > Whew! Sorry for the length of the post - please respnd though - I'd like to > hear what everyone thinks of these other ideas! > > Scott Hansen > curth@execpc.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:16:36 -0700 (MST) > From: Rich ROchelle <rr@asu.edu> > To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: misc ramblings > Message-ID: <01HVJFDX723M8XCPEF@asu.edu> > > A few things: > Does Myung use any grease on his sound? I absolutely love his really tight > low B. I've tried to get this, but I have failed miserably. > > For all those who got promo copies of ACOS: I hope that those copies count as > record sales, for the boys' sake! > > One more, does anyone know of any really good left hand exercises for bass? > Right hand? > > Thanks > Rich > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:27:11 -0600 (MDT) > From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: LAST NIGHT... > Message-ID: <199509212127.PAA00357@ucsu.colorado.edu> > > > While I'm here, I'll throw in some DT content. I love ACOS!! The > covers I'm not very psyched about, but ACOS is like a return to > vintage DT, with a lot more Rush thrown in...hear all those Neil > Peart bells? > > Now for my real post...me and Colin (another ytsejammer) went with a > friend who was working security at Van Halen last night at Fiddler's > Green (Denver) She snuck us in via backstage gate, and we integrated > into the 12th row. The majic was that all day yesterday was > Colorado's first day of snow. At night it turned into more of a > blizzard, and did I mention Fiddler's is an outdoor ampitheater? > Sammy says, "We've been playing for 17 years...not one of us has ever > played an outdoor summer concert in a snowstorm. The band was > having a blast (despite Eddie's picking hand being too cold), we were > having a great time right up in front, and it was FREE!! A lucky > night, and an unforgettable one. Hats off to Halen for not canceling > the show! > -Adam > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:43:39 -0500 (CDT) > From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 969 > Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950921164033.17179B-100000@timon.acu.edu> > > This is for the post. > Is anybody out there a fan of Damn the Machine? If so, do you > have any idea what they're up to these days? > On an obscure note: does anyone have any information about the > solo album by Chris Poland (Damn the Machine and former Megadeth > guitarist)? It was called Return to Metalpolis. It's out of print, as far > as I know. I'm not going to shell out big $ for it cause I've never heard > it, but I would still appreciate any info. anyone can give. > Thanks. > > Kyle > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:53:48 -0400 (EDT) > From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> > To: DT:;@donews.uucp > Subject: ACOS! > Message-ID: <01HVJOB6RQQU000T12@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> > > YES!!!!! > > THIS SONG RULZ! (of course... i *knew* that before i bought it) > > went out and got the cd yesterday .... yeah im really really sorry guys! i > couldnt get it until *Wednesday* ! ( i have no car ... enough said ?) > > well, listened to it on the way home, and about 5 more times that evening and > twice today already! i REALLY LOVE the new parts ... they are incredible ... > especially "The Inevitable Summer" .... i love Dead Poet's Society too so that > aspect was cool with me .... the part though during "another world" (i think) > where James both says and sings the lyrics and the music builds, and BUILDS, > AND BUILDS! until singing "I LOVE YOOOUU!" > > > ****STOP***** > > "goodbye!" > > > > OH YES!!!!! > > can we say goosebumps! can we say massive chills and waves of feeling rushing > over me!!! can we say absolute emotional angst like falling off of a cliff and > in that one moment when you just hang there : "goodbye" and then you start > plummeting! ... > > i REALLY like Derek's sounds for the most part ... i was a little worried about > that because Kevin just had sounds that fit the band so well ... i was also > concerned about derek's writing ... i dont think we can really tell what he'll > do for the band from this release in the respect but his solo work on ACOS is > most impressive ... not the same flavor as kevin and not as much tension but > very "guitar" like as kevin was which i think is what really makes a good > keyboard solo ... you need often to think a little more like a guitarist... > > unfortunately ... two of my favorite parts were taken out although i didnt even > miss one of them for the first five or so listenings ... the lines they took > out "love is not just a passing whim, it's a state of hope that goes on > forever" ... i really miss that a lot though and am not happy with what they > substituted ... but in general, the lyrical writing is fantastic ... > > this piece makes me cry ... in two parts.... the part i described above and > the veyr last vocal part .... it is SO moving .... it really makes me think > alot about death and life and what death is going to mean ... > > i guess i'll get more into that though when my thoughts are clearer ... > > bye bye > ******************************************************************************* > Anthony Kozar "Organ playing is the > Univ. of Toledo manifestation of a will > 3208B I House filled with a vision of eternity." > akozar@UofT02.utoledo.edu -- Charles-Marie Widor > http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/ (1844-1937) > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:22:12 -0500 (CDT) > From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: ACOS (what else) > Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950921171754.19783A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> > > I liked the subcon. version better, but the new one continues to grow on > me. I don't really like the acoustic guitar at the end. I REALLY miss > the SUbcon. lyrics to pt. 5 and I liked it with just the organ, too. > > My $0.02 TTFN-Sean > > > BTW- I do hear erotomania (kinda) at the beginning > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: godfther@netcom.com (godfather) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: I hated DT. > Message-ID: <199509212138.OAA18912@netcom11.netcom.com> > > _____ > It was a struggle. Anyone else on the list begin by disliking DT? > jeremy (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu) > _____ > > Actually, that sounds exactly like my case. My brother brought in Awake, > and I gave it a listen and found myself only liking Caught in a Web, and > only for the main melody part no less. After 2 months of forceful > listening to the CD I absolutely became a DT fanatic. Then I went out > and bought Images and Words, knowing I at least liked one song on there > (PMU). I plopped it in the changer, and listened to it for awhile. At > the end of a very forced listening, I was like "Crap, why did I buy > this. This sucks." Then, again after at least a month of listening I > was playing the shit out of that disc I liked it so much. Now it takes > no time at all for me to like songs I haven't heard before by DT, like > ACoS, Fortune in Lies, Killing Hand, and Eve. I immediately fell in love > with those puppies. Right now my cd changer has all 5 slots filled with > DT. woo00, I love this shit.. > > Ryan > godfther@netcom.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 18:28:43 -0400 > From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Cover concepts on I&Ws & Awake > Message-ID: <9509212228.AA20212@junix.ju.edu> > > The first Ytsejam I ever received had this post on it by...I dont know > who...but I thought it was real cool so I saved it. Read on my freinds! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Awake cover representations... > > > >On the cover of "Awake" I see... > > > >6:00 The clock in the moon reads this. > > > >Caught in a Web Spider-web next to the mirror. > > > >Innocense Faded The guy in the mirror is slightly > >transparent. > > Also, the mirror reflects what was once good > > (Beautiful blue sky, etc.) and now this > > innocence has faded in the the dark reality > >of today > > > >(A Mind Beside Itself) The statue looks at itself as it was in the > >past > > > >Erotomania The guy's face is all stressed out. =) > > > >Voices Stressed face = voices conflicting within? > >=) > > > >The Silent Man His stoic face shows an unwillingness > to speak. > > > >The Mirror It's the centerpiece of the whole cover for > > God's sake!!! > > > >Lie The beauty of youth's innocense has now > >become an ugly lie as we see today's shadowy > >reality. > > > >Lifting Shadows off a Dream Could the statue be trying to lift off the > > shadows of his reality to uncover his former > > state of innocense, which he dreams about > > constantly? > > > >Scarred Finding his plight futile, he remains in this > > shadowy world, desined to spend thousands on > >a psychiatrist to help him strip it all back > >and uncover his scars that he's had since he left > > his world of innocense. > > > >Space Dye Vest Since I have no clue as to what a Space Dye > > Vest is, I'll just have to break it into > >parts. > > SPACE: Jupiter in the upper right hand corner > > gives the cover a spacey look. > > DYE: Um, you can only B.S. so far on this > > thing. I haven't a fuckin' clue. > > VEST: Could the statue be wearing a vest??? > > You could call it that. > > > >Other observations: > > > > Silouhetted in the background, I see a "Metropolis". The moon-clock > >could represent "Another Day" and "Take the Time" as well as "Under a Glass > >Moon" and "Wait for Sleep". This struggle with his past and the reality of > >today is his way of "Learning to Live". The statue is "Surrounded" in sand > >dunes. The dunes may pull at him, causing him to say "Argh! They're trying > >to Pull Me Under!" > > > > I took a look at When Dream and Day Unite, and only saw one > >correlation: "Only a matter of time" with that moon-clock thing again. > > > > One final thing: When I first bought Awake, I thought the statue was > >holding a torch. I guess however that he's just tugging at his beard or > >something. Does anyone know if this is an actual statue or just something > >the artist made up? Any thoughts as to who the face in the mirror might be? > >(Sans-hair of course...) > > > > I always thought I was a master at bullshitting. I wonder if there's a > >contest or something for this. I could just submit this crap and possibly > >win it all! > > > > Thanks to George who reminded me of all the neato stuff on the cover. > > > >Synopsis: If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!!! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > "...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared > together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes > on forever..." (Dream Theater) > > Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu - > http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 18:29:33 -0400 > From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Our duty as DT fans! > Message-ID: <9509212229.AA02554@junix.ju.edu> > > 1) Hello, ACOS and DT, like Tony the Tiger says it "Therrrrre Grrrrrreat!!" > > 2) As the great Ytsejammers that we all are, we have the duty to uphold our > convictions of DT to the local radio staions. Can you imagin what would > happen if every one of us called the local rock stations 5 times a day and > requested maybe "The Big Medley"!!!! The results would be tremendous!!! > I've been doing it here in Jacksonville, FL but I dont listen to the radio > so I dont know if it worked :-) > > 3) What is the signifcance of November 16th on the cover? It talks about > the chill in November in the song. Is the boy on the cover Mike Portnoy > maybe? Any comments...? > > 4) You guys who got your ACOS copy early should have made it more clear > that only the words were gone not hte killer groove rhythm also: > "PLEASE DON"T GO!!!" duh di di di deh dut dhat dhut di di dee (repeat) > > 5) Yes Dan I also hear Erotomania in ACOS but I think its the organ sound > and interval used on Erot. > > 6) doesn't that 7 string acoustic in the intro sound incredible! Ive never > even seen a 7 string acoustic! > > 7) I'm glad Derek's name isn't John! > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > "...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared > together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes > on forever..." (Dream Theater) > > Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu - > http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:43:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: JIM <JSWEENEY5@vaxc.hofstra.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: First Post > Message-ID: <01HVJJ2IMLCY8Y52TO@vaxc.hofstra.edu> > > > > This is my first post so I hope this works. Iwent on monday to the Portnoy > Drum Clinic at the LIDC on the Island, and Mike said to say hello to everybody > on the Jam. At the clinic he was asked about the lyrics for ACoS, and he > replied that most of the song was about him dealing with the death of his mom, > who diied in a plane crash (Preparing for her flight...). > > Also I was wondering if any of the Bass Players on here knows exactly what > Myung is doing on Metropolis (The tapping part). > > As for how I got into Dream Theater, A few months after IaW came out a friend > bought the CD for me because he knew I was heavily into Prog. music. Ever > since then I was hooked. Well I gotta go listen to ACoS again before I start > my homework. Bye! > > Jim > JSWEENEY5@hofstra.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:00:34 -0400 > From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: I always loved DT > Message-ID: <v01510100ac8774164356@[199.232.46.229]> > > jeremy (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu) wrote: > > It was a struggle. Anyone else on the list begin by > > disliking DT? > > Uh. No. I walked into a friend's (dorm) room and he said that I had to > listen to this new band, Dream Theater. So I borrow WDADU, finish it, bring > it back, then run next door to Tower Records and buy it. I loved it from > the beginning. This is kinda funny though, in a not-really kinda way. For > about 3 years I didn't listen to rock. I didn't care about it. I missed > Roll the Bones and Counterparts because of it. I listened to the radio > kinda but not much. A friend played I&W for me and I didn't even notice. I > thought it was OK. He liked it. After that phase, I was reading an > interview with JP and JM in some guitar mag. They're talking about Awake, > so I go buy it (it just came out). I hadn't heard it and was a little > worried. I loved it from the start. For some dumb reason I was still afraid > that I wouldn't like I&W so I didn't get it until a few months ago. Of > course, I loved it from the start too. > > I have loved every DT album from the first listen and I still love them > all. They kill me. They are truly phenomenal. Unbelievable. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > + Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net + > + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html + > +----------------------------------------------------------+ > + Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at + > + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html + > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:00:49 -0400 > From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 969 > Message-ID: <v01510102ac87820d8b4b@[199.232.46.229]> > > > I'm back... Hey! To anyone out there trashing Trevor > > Rabin... watch it! ... So give him another listen and think > > about it!!!! > > Heh. That was me :p. OK. I'll give him another listen. I guess I shouldn't > have said anything because when I last heard that Starship Trooper (from a > live video) it was a long, long time ago. I do remember him tapping though > and thinking it was... disrespectful? I also had weird ideas back then (I > was just a yung'n). So, sorry. Didn't mean to offend (he was _tapping_ on > Starship Trooper). ha ha. Check this out. I'm jamming with my friend. We're > working on a new tune and he plays a bit and I'm like, "that sounds > _exactly_ like... like... White Lion!! Remember Wait?" It was hilarious. > Then, from amongst thousands of tapes, he pulls that one out and plays it. > Vito Brata. It was a nice tasteful solo too. I forgot. he he. Don't ask why > I told you that. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > + Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net + > + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html + > +----------------------------------------------------------+ > + Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at + > + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html + > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Everett W Painter <ewpainte@runet.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: eve and TLF > Message-ID: <199509220252.WAA25795@muselab.ac.runet.edu> > > HI ytsejammmers > > ACOS is fantastic......nuff said! > > I know this isn't the hot topic right now but I'm trying to find out more > about eve and TLF. I have never heard them (yes , I have been deprived > :(.....). > I'm trying to find the lie and silent man singles. Are they worth it?(I > think I already know the answer to that). > If someone would be so gracious to tell me about eve and TLF I would > greatly appreciate it. You can e-mail me directly if you like. Thanks in > advance. > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Everett Painter "Before the leaves have fallen... > Radford University Before we lock the doors... > Box 6157 There must be the third and last dance... > Radford VA 24142 This one will last forever." > ewpainte@runet.edu - Dream Theater > --------------------------------------THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:30:10 -0400 (EDT) > From: Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: AWAKE cover art > Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950921232513.25831A-100000@zeus> > > I just noticed tonight that the coloring on the statue on the cover of > AWAKE is messed up. The head of the statue is a very light grey color > while the lower area of the statue is a darker grey color. Does anybody > know why this is? I thought that it was because he could see his head in > the mirror. Oh well, whatever... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Ben Brizzell | "People started to walk the land, | > | e-mail address: | Countries rose out of the sand, | > | brizzb@sage.edu | Races came to separate, | > | Individual Studies | And then they found the need to hate" | > | Sage Junior College | - "Stardust" | > | of Albany | by Anachronism | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > P.S. has anybody on this list ever heard of Moonspell, Decoryah, Tiamat, > or My Dying Bride? Just wondering... > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:58:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: Re: My Random Musings > Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950921195410.9324A-100000@oak.liii.com> > > > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Chris Oates wrote: > > > > > Not something they took out, but does anybody besides me think that the > > acoustic intro > > and especially the outro are totally unnecessary and awfully > > generic-sounding? As I said, > > especially the outro. The song needs to end on that BIG chord, not with a > > whimper of > > guitar strings. > > > > I like the intro, but I agree that the outro doesn't fit. That BIG chord > is a nice ending. > > > > What I really like about ACOS is Myung's playing. It really stands out, > and the playing during Inevitable Summer is very different from his usual > styles. > > Mike's tuned percussion and John's bass right before Inevitable Summer is > my favorite part of the song. > > Andy > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:20:20 -0400 > From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> > Subject: Re: How I discovered DT. > Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950921201102.9920A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu> > > Well, > I was reading an interview with Geddy Lee (in '89 or '90) and the > interviewer mentioned Rush influenced bands. > I was familiar with every band he mentioned except for DT. That got me > very curious... I then noticed that the keyboards on the song 'At Fates > Hands' by Fates Warning were provided by "Kevin Moore or Dream Theater". > I asked my friend who was up on every band if he had heard of DT and he > gave me a copy of WD&DU... I was instantly blown away and I bought the > WD&DU CD... I got I&W the week before it came out... The highlight of > my interest in DT came when my band INFERNO opened for them here in > Jacksonville, FL... What a night! Mike bonded with our drummer and JP > and JL mentioned which of our songs caught their attention! It was great! > > Later, > Jay Peele > For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:01:29 -0400 (EDT) > From: Jeremy Peter Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: DT Mods > Message-ID: <199509220101.VAA03229@bay.grove.ufl.edu> > > I remember someone who had a pmu drums mod. It was okay, though I had to > fix a few glitches. When I save it, I guess it saved corrupt, cause I > can't get back to it. Tried to find it using archie, but archie seems > to be completely brain-dead these days. Could the author mail me > (and how's that Take the Time mod going)? > > BTW anyone else out there have any DT, or simply progressive, mods > or octameds? > > -- > jeremy (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu) > Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to die. > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 21:16:26 EDT > From: _the_pipeline_ <sdh9b@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: DT and success > Message-ID: <199509220116.VAA18734@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU> > > previously, on the ytsejam... > > > I few ideas for > > marketing the album (I feel this album.....If done right can break the band > > wide open....) release one of the covers as a single; (I would do Love Lies > > Bleeding.....I think it's the most radio friendly song on the album) put > > another track from the UNcovered set on the B-side. With another song on > > the B-side all DT fans would purchase the single. (I know I would...I am > > always itching for new DT stuff) Since single sales never match album > sales > > if each person who bought ACoS bought the single then maybe the radio > > stations may take notice and start playing the song....(If we all bought > the > > single It would most likely end up in the top 60) Then the idoit drones > who > > buy albums just because the radio plays it will buy the album and DT will > > finally get the recognition they deserve. > > > well, here's the paradox to this scenario, IMO: > > let's just say, for argument's sake, that ACoS does become a smash success > and DT is rocketed to the upper echelons of rock stardom. they get a video > in heavy rotation. they get on the cover of rolling stone and every other > music magazine. they get tons of radio airplay. they become ROCK STARS. > > then what? then the pearl jam syndrome will set in. > > which means that vast multitudes of suburban grunge-preps with no musical > taste whatsoever will claim DT to be the best, without actually noticing the > music (other than the fact that it's loud). DT's concerts will sell out, not > to those of us who appreciate and marvel at their musical talent & style, but > to all those hairsprayed clique girls and crew-cut khaki-wearing wanna-be > punks. DT music will be played at football practices at high schools > nationwide. DT songs will be arranged for marching bands. copycat hack-prog > bands will emerge from nowhere. shitty DT cover bands will emerge from > nowhere. DT will respond to the success either by a) making every future > release totally radio/mtv-friendly and sellout (a la aerosmith, who i still > love in spite of that), or b) changing musical direction to some horrible > fringe style to prove to the "true fans" that they're not sellouts (a la > pearl jam). meanwhile, the "true fans"-- all the 'jammers and the many > offline fans who know their shit-- will either be forgotten or feel lost in > the crowd of "newbies." some of them will renounce DT. others will stick > with them but ultimately be disappointed. DT will then fade away into > obscurity and will be used as K-mart muzak and commercials for Windows 2005. > > ok, that was absolute sci-fi _worst_case_, but you get my drift. > > (in this vein, even though i'm not too crazy about pearl jam, i do feel bad > for their early core fans who got swamped by success of this type. [and > nirvana's "teen spirit" actually did get arranged for marching band.]) > > of course, i share your wish for DT to be more successful, but we're in the > unfortunate position of wanting success-- but not *too much* success; know > what i mean? we still want this to be a somewhat exclusive "club" (that > sounds really snobby, i know) and talk somewhat intelligently about the > nuances of DT's music, concerts, boots, personae, the pros & cons of audio > tape, and, occasionally, anagrams. :) take a look at the green day > newsgroups and you'll see what we want to avoid. > > it's a tough call, isn't it? > > they really do deserve more recognition. but will "rock stardom" merely rob > them of the respect of the very fans they're trying to reach? that's the > modern rock band's universal dilemma. and there's no easy answer. > > i mean, rush never achieved that status, thank god. that's pretty much how > prog rock operates. it just isn't top-40 material. > > maybe that's why it's so fucking cool. > > (too long, i know.) > > end of rant. > > > scott herman. > > > > > > _Ze beatings vill continue until morale improves._ > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 972 > ************************* >
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