YTSEJAM Digest 1020
Today's Topics:
1) new web page url
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
2) looking for DAT taper in Rhode Island...
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
3) Ben Savage
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
4) Ike Coghglan's Sermon
by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
5) ACOS versions & copyrights
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
6) Song/album titles / Ronnie Scotts Video
by jerry@muc.de (jerry)
7) Sherinian's pic
by Chris Crowder <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
8) Hello
by fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1012
by Johnny@motown.ge.com
10) band w/eponymous album and song, and a l'il OJ to boot (NDTC)
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) The kid on ACOS
by godfther@netcom.com (godfather)
12) JP clinic
by dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer)
13) NON DT-Joe Satrianni
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
14) (U)my notes....
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1015
by DBACCHI@aol.com
16) Re: Trinity symbol
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
17) Re: ACOS POLL
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
18) JAZZ!
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
19) Swords (NDTC)
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
20) DT INTERP 6:00
by laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
21) Re: Awake cutouts
by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
22) JP clinic
by dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer)
23) Sorry for the complaint, but...
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
24) Re: Hello again!
by Fred Block <fblock@shell.monmouth.com>
25) ACoS video
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff)
26) how strange the DoE ACoS sounds...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:24:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: new web page url
Message-ID: <199510091824.NAA05722@tam2000.tamu.edu>
anyone that ever has gone to my web page, or looked at my trade list,
or has a link to it, or whatever, it is changing this week:
used to be: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
changed to: http://http.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
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Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me,
"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
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check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:27:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: looking for DAT taper in Rhode Island...
Message-ID: <199510091827.NAA06840@tam2000.tamu.edu>
a couple of months ago a guy sent me a DAT clone of the 5/15/93 rocky
point palladium fm broadcast (dream theater of course). i was supposed
to send him back a clone of one of my shows, but the problem is that i
moved and lost his name and address.
if you are out there, or if you know who this guy may be, please email
me or post or something. i really need to get him his tape, and i dont
know who he is...
it was sent to me on a panasonic DAT120, in case that narrows it down.
he taped it on a 59ES from onkyo reciever (i think)...
if you know of any ytsejammers in the providence area that match this
description, please let me know...
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs**
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Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me,
"Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts
We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined
and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind."
=============================================================================
check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Ben Savage
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951009143354.272786A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Before this gets out situation gets out of hand, I would like to
say that I know, for a fact, that Ben Savage ("Boy Meets World") is NOT
the kid on the ACoS cover. I used to go to school with Ben, and I can tell
you guys that it is definitely not him. I still think it's Portnoy
personally.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:09:58 -0700
From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ike Coghglan's Sermon
Message-ID: <199510091909.MAA20030@atlas.earthlink.net>
Mike Coghlan writes
>
>James:
>Do you live under a rock? I'm not the one who coined the phrase "african
>Americans". Nor do I call myself an "Irish American" I'm just an American.
>I was speaking in general terms, don't take what I said out of context. So
>you know the word sterotype, you use it twice which confirms my thoughts about
>you as stated in Y-jam 1009. When I meet a person - red, yellow, black
>or white I accept or reject them as an aquaintance or friend based on
>personal merit, no one is alike, not all blacks are like the general black
>population. Look at the prison population and stop speaking out of ignorance.
>
It is the speaking of people in general terms which is objectionable.
I used the word "stereotype," not "sterotype." Your view of black America
seems to be influenced by some sort of cultural bias. I know that most
Irish are not stupid drunks, but that was the cultural view at one time.
Do you really accept people as individuals? How do you get by your
prejudice? Or do you only accept people as individuals who you are
forced to meet?
>Then I said:
>Too bad OJ got away with it,..... for now that is.
>
>>What do you mean by "for now"? Are you planning a lynching?
>
>No James, don't be so simple minded, I mean after this life there WILL
>be an afterlife where dark will be bright and the blind will have sight.
>There will also be a judgement each one of us will face by God. That's
>when OJ will have to anny up.
>
Hallelujah brother Mike!
Maybe it's your hope that you will be given sight in the afterlife. I am
ecstatic that you are a true believer. For myself, I am agnostic. Before
you tell me that my soul is in trouble, stop. I don't want to hear it. Don't
assume that everybody reading this list is a devout Christian and will
understand what you mean. If you want to be understood in context, then
you should PROVIDE some context, so the rest of us poor unenlightened
pe(By the way, the expression is "ante up."
>>Profanity? Fifteen year old kids? Oh I forgot, your very simple mode of
>>thinking is to group objects together based on stereotypes. I have news for
>>you--the word FUCK is part of reality. Part of progressive thinking is to
>>expose reality for what it is rather than denying its existence. The word FUCK
>>exists and, as many jammers have pointed out, can be used in many different
>>ways with many different meanings. I found the "Mercy Fuck" discussion to be
>>relevant to our working out the lyrics to find the different meanings.
>
>James:
>Do you even know what F U C K stands for? Do you know the origin of the
>word? What is it mister intellect?
I have heard a couple, both acronyms:
1. Fornication Under Consent of the King
2. (If you are a Van Halen follower--For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
Although the etymology of a word can be useful, it is only a beginning.
In the year 1995, the word "fuck" has several different connotations,
many of which have been alluded to here on the Jam.
>Sounds like Allen condones a homosexual lifestyle, not my cup of tea, is it
>yours?
My sexual orientation should not be relevant to this exchange. Or
perhaps you are referring to the general homosexual population,
although I am sure that you treat any homosexual you meet as an
individual.
>Andrew Keegan writes:
>>So then, any use of profanity, regardless of context, would be considered
>>a letdown?
>
It looks like Andrew is asking you a question to get you to look at
your closemindedness; I don't think he is not agreeing with you.
>I appreciate your feedback Andrew, it was more intelligent than the
>aforementioned individual that responed to me.
>
>Yes Andrew I personally am letdown by the use of that language by DT because
>I esteem them as superior musicians and don't want them to lean toward the
>language that most metal bands use. I was also bothered by Rush using the
>name of Christ in a less than honorable way. And no I don't think DT is a
>strictly metal band.
I am bothered by Christians who bomb abortion clinics and try to enforce
their morality on others. That is, of course, only the general Christian
population. I treat all the Christians that I meet as individuals.
One last item, I thought that Christians were taught to forgive?
Why don't you forgive OJ and pray for his soul? I see, you can
forgive someone like Susan Smith who drowned her 2 children,
but OJ is beyond redemption. Try following some of
your professed values and stop being such a hypocrit.
James Garrett
James Garrett
________________________________
jpgarrett@earthlink.net
"Because I had found it hard to attend to anything
less interesting than my own thoughts, I was
difficult to teach."
William Butler Yeats (Autobiographies)
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 11:22:00 PDT
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: ACOS versions & copyrights
Message-ID: <30796ABD@mailgate.ameridata.com>
Not to re-open the previous, lengthy, discussion on the legality/morality of
boots, I have a question that may be of interest to others, especially
active songwriters and boot recorders on the JAM. In perusing the
lyrics/insert for ACOS, I notice that the copyright for ACOS, the
composition, is dated 1995. It would seem that previously recorded "boot"
versions would not be covered by any copyright restrictions, and would be in
the public domain, free to distribute, without concern for violating any
copyrights that apply to the "official version". Is this true or false? If
true, this would apply to all music that was recorded under another title or
before legally copyrighted.
Also a new trivia question: In general terms, what is the graphic material
used for the background on the title side of the CD and the inside of the
cover insert of DT's 'Lie' European import single?
PS. I do like TLF very much, although I can understand why it was not
included on "Awake"; it just doesn't fit the mood of the album, and would,
IMHO, fit better on IAW.
I don't dislike any DT songs, I just like some more than others.
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:19:00 +0100
From: jerry@muc.de (jerry)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Song/album titles / Ronnie Scotts Video
Message-ID: <v01510100ac9f14d19af7@[193.174.4.141]>
Hi there,
to Pat Sullivan
[..]
>For the other question, about just song/album titles, I have two more that
>are in the same vein with TMBG:
>
>Blue Oyster Cult had a self titled first album, and the song "Blue Oyster
>Cult" was on the album Imaginos. Steelheart did the same thing, self titled
>album,
[..]
It's true that a song called "Blue Oyster Cult" appeared on the '88 album
"Imaginos" by BOC. Just as an additional information: this song is just
a remake of the '74 classic "The Subhuman" from "Secret treaties".
Concerning the "Ronnie Scott's Uncovered" Video (or whatever it is called)
Don't get your expectations to high! I finally received information
from a source at eMpTyV europe. The main reason they never showed more
footage than the 15 seconds from "Winter": they messed the whole thing up.
Most of the time they got James' face respectivley a sheet with lyrics
in close-up. Plus lots of cuts of the audience...
So it's not really a concert-video at all.
Anyway I'm looking forward to _hearing_ the whole event!
read you - jerry
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Andreas Schaefer email: jerry@muc.de
"I am gross and perverted - I'm obsessed and deranged
I have existed for years - but very little has changed" F.Zappa
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 12:38:29 CDT
From: Chris Crowder <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sherinian's pic
Message-ID: <009979CC.9982B620.54@postman.harding.edu>
Does anyone notice that behind Derek Sherinian's picture in the sleeve
of ACoS, that there is a white letter of some sort in the background? Is
this some kind of a marking they are trying to put on him, like "I'm a
rookie" or something? Does anyone know? I think it looks kinda cool, though.
Also, I'm getting more messages responding to the survey, but it's
still not enough! 33 so far :( It's better than 17, but not good enough!
Once again, I'll restate the questions for those of you who want to respond,
but don't have them.
Question #1:
Do you agree with the O.J. verdict?
(a simple Yes, No, Don't Know, or Who's O.J. will be sufficient.)
Question #2:
Which Dream Theater album is your all-time favorite?
(I'll keep proclaiming it, mine is IMAGES & WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Still can't get tired of it, after about 1000 hours of listening!!!)
Please, if you haven't responded, do quickly because you've only got until
Wednesday, October 11 to respond.
E-mail me at :
<jccrowder@harding.edu>
And so ends my little speech for the day.
One excited Dream Theater fan, excitedly awaiting my copy of Acoustic Dreams,
Chris Crowder
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:38:03 +0100
From: fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <199510091738.SAA28680@ns.pianeta.it>
Hello jammers!
I've been on this mailing list for about a week now, so I decided it was=20
time for my first post.
I got into DT about a year ago, when a friend of mine lent me I&W. I study=
=20
music and play the keyboards and piano, so I was completely hit by their=20
songs, especially by the way they can play both hard rock and melodic tunes.=
=20
So I ended up buying Awake, WDADU and now ACoS (almost all I can find here=
=20
in Italy...)
I really like the idea of DT INTERPS, because I think this way we could=20
analize better the songs and so appreciate them more. BTW, when I discovered=
=20
DT, I was (and still am) into Van Halen, Extreme, Soundgarden, Alice in=20
Chains and many more...
P.S. Am I the only Italian on the jam? It's just curiosity, I'm not a=20
patriot... even if I feel proud of JP's seemingly Italian surname and of=20
"Ora che ho perso la vista, ci vedo di pi=F9"... anyway, I confirm the exact=
=20
translation is: "Now that I have lost my sight, I can see more"
Later
Fabio
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:06:35 -0400
From: Johnny@motown.ge.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1012
Message-ID: <199510091806.OAA27159@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
Hi, Susan,
Sorry this has taken all weekend to get back to you. I have my connection
through work and didn't read email over the weekend. Yes, I would be interested
in a trade. I would be interested in the JP guitar workshop video. How
do you want to work the trade?
Johnny
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:07:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: band w/eponymous album and song, and a l'il OJ to boot (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951009135400.19892B-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
1) Damn Yankees (Nugent, Shaw, et al) did one of those
2) Just curious, how many 'jammers are minorities (I'm only asking about
those in the USA, who've been subjected to that circus)?
As a minority, i've got these uneasy feelings of vindication at
the verdict, while at the same time I feel strongly that OJ is guilty
(translation: none of us KNOW that he is guilty, no matter what
you might think--you weren't there)
Maybe it's a reaction to the Rodney King (trial #1) circus, in
which a predominantly WHITE (if not all white jury, i don't
remember exactly) jury acquitted 4 WHITE officers of excessive
violence when there was a witness to their brutality (the camera).
In spite of the above, I really don't think the 'jam is a good place for
this discussion, so I'm going to ask that any response be directed to
ahtrap@umich.edu.
Partha Mukhopadhyay
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: godfther@netcom.com (godfather)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The kid on ACOS
Message-ID: <199510091858.LAA07303@netcom11.netcom.com>
Daniel said--------
That's Fred Savage's little brother...and he's also the star form Boy
Meets World...and that's not the ACOS-boy, although he looks somewhat
similar...good try, but he's already been mentioned...
Problem: still unsolved...
Daniel stopped--------
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet. But anyways, here's what
I think about that kid on the cover.
His face color is lighter than the rest of his body. Which is strange,
considering everybody's faces are usually darker than their body due to
more sun exposure. So, with that in mind, it's my belief that a head was
pasted on top of another kid's body. If you look under the head it would
be more than easy to do that, since there's so much black shadow under
there. As for the head.. Ok, when children are missing, the police do
computer renderings of how the kid might look like now compared to when
they were reported lost. Maybe they took Mike Portnoy's head and just
reversed that process. Either that or they just used an old photo of
Mike's head and pasted it on. :)
Oh well.
Ryan Whitaker
godfther@netcom.com
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 10:53:31 +0600
From: dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: JP clinic
Message-ID: <m0t2N5Z-0000BkC@donews.cts.com>
It might help if I gave out the date (brain fart)... The clinic is this
Wednesday the 11th @ 7:30PM.
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:53:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: NON DT-Joe Satrianni
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9510091534.A14504-a100000@bdmserver>
Well if anyone is interested in Joe's new album there are a bunch
of sound bites from the new album at www.satriani.com. I found the
server a little slow though. They do have the entire 5meg of one song.
CD's currently in my changer
DT-Images and Words
Fates-Chasing Time
DT-Awake
KISS-Alive III
Hootie and the Blowfish-Cracked Rear View
Dave Mathews Band-Under the Table and Dreaming
Europe-Best of 1982-1992
Collective Soul-the new one
Candlebox-Lucy
DT-ACOS
Goo Goo Dolls-A boy named Goo
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com ****
**** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ****
**** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ****
**** GO REDSKINS!!!! Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons -out now ****
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Date: 09 Oct 1995 15:29:15 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: (U)my notes....
Message-ID: <199510092030.AA08430@interlock.amoco.com>
Again, I must say "sorry" for all of the typos..(see my long-winded rebuttle
to other posts).....I get all worked up and don't care to hit
spell-check...LATER-:)
***************************************************************
Dennis Rodman -- a Chicago Bull? YEEEEEEESSSSHHHH!!!
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:43:33 -0400
From: DBACCHI@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1015
Message-ID: <951009164331_119772940@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Please note that my e-mail address has changed from DBACCHI@aol.com to
geopara@aol.com
-thanks
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 16:44:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Trinity symbol
Message-ID: <307989BB.B99D.00AD.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
>>...BURNING HEART WRAPPED IN THORNS. Hmmmmmmm. Where have
>>I seen THAT before?
>Actually, it's a representation of the Holy Trinity from the
>christian faith. I have an album by the band Mortification that also
>has it on the cover. They explain the meaning in the liner notes:
>The heart represents God, the thorns Jesus, and the flame is the
>Holy Spirit.
Yes, I agree, but it's more closely linked to Catholicism...
BTW, you listen to Mortification? I used to have some of their
stuff, but most of it sounds like drival (especially compared to the
stuff I now listen to...Dream Theater, Queensryche, Fates, King's
X...). Well, anyways, it's cool that there is yet another Christian
metal fan on the 'Jam...do you like Tourniquet, Precious Death,
Deliverance, Saviour Machine, Torman Maxt??
>Pat Sullivan - - psull@ici.net
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:57:22 -0500
From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: ACOS POLL
Message-ID: <9510092057.AA28495@ctcsunho.cummins.com>
1. I rate ACOS a 10 compared to the other studio releases. James seems
to add a great deal more emotion to ACOS than to Awake or I&W.
2. My favorite part starts at 0:00 and ends somewhere around 23:08. If
I were forced to narrow it down, it would be the two musical breaks in
Carpe Diem. The first is at 8:45, right between "...but there may
(lyric sheet says might) not be one" and "The words stuck in my mind."
Very climactic if you anticipate it coming. The other is (of course)
at 9:47, after "...Good-bye."
3. Favorite cover would be a tough call between Love Lies Bleeding and
the Big Medley. I think the Big Medley wins out due to the nice
transitions from one cover to the next.
Of course, these are TODAY's answers. Tomorrow I might have a different
opinion based on what mood I'm in. :)
Andrew G. Stiles
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:16:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: JAZZ!
Message-ID: <9510092116.AA137880@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hello all,
I've looked over a few of your bootlists and I've failed to find
something I've been looking for. If there's anyone out there who has any
quantity of Allan Holdsworth bootlegs please e-mail me. Please please
please e-mail me. Thanks gobs.
BTW, public kudos to Michael Bahr on yet another successful
boot. AD is phenomenal!
Slainte,
Bracken
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:22:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Swords (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9510092122.AA70132@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
This is a quick message to Paul Cashman:
Hey bud,
I am interested in a carbon spring-steel sword, but I couldn't
reach you via vanyel@arastar.com. Could you please e-mail me directly
concerning this subject. Thanks man.
Slainte,
Bracken
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:51:43 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT INTERP 6:00
Message-ID: <199510092151.OAA21748@maple.enet.net>
partial) 6:00 Drum Interperitation
0:00>Mike P. opens with two quick bass drum kicks and a triplet fill on his
Octabon style drums.
0:01>(in 4/4) In the solo that follows he keeps sixteeth notes going on the
hi-hat throughout most of it. It's almost got a Latin feel to it.
0:09>Right here he puts 32nd notes on the hi-hat for a measure and then
switches back to 16th's.
0:20>MP hits a big fill that alternates two 16th notes on the snare and two
32nd notes on the kicks.
0:31>The time sig. switches to 6/8 and MP grooves along with the guitar part.
0:45>Time sig. back to 4\4 and the next four measures is pretty much four
fills that the first to of which start off with 16th note triplets on the
kick drums. This leads in to the intro to the first verse.
1:22> New groove that utilizes the "16th note triplet on the kicks followed
by a snare hit" fill that is used so much (and well) in MP's drumming.
1:30> Main groove comes back in 4\4, but an extra beat is added in the
second measure.
2:11> Same as 0:31, but with vocals this time.
2:36>During Kevin's solo MP's beat stays locked in with the guitar part.
2:55>Double time.
3:35>For-the-most-part-steady 16th's are kept on the hi-hat, and a nice
pattern is dubbed over on the pseudo-Octabons.
And so on.....
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:17:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake cutouts
Message-ID: <199510092217.SAA03035@birch.grove.ufl.edu>
>
> YTSEJAM Digest 1017
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1) wake up and smell the coffee, pt II
> by hiw100@psu.edu (howard wiener)
> 2) ACoS add
> by laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
> 3) Keeping DT Underground
> by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
> 4) mainstream myth
> by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
> 5) Re: Hello again!
> by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> 6) Re: Subcon Insert
> by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> 7) Re: Awake cutouts?
> by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> 8) Ibanez JPM100
> by elliot h kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
> 9) YJ #1015
> From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> Why would DT being in the cutout bin be bad? A stupid question, but one
> that I am wondering about?
It indicates that sales on Awake are very low and stores are trying to
ditch the album and at least break even (I think stores pay about $8 to the
record companies and distributors, but it may be less).
Poor sales are bad for the band. In fact, these stores might stop carrying
Awake (why sell an album you had a hard time getting rid of last month)
and this would be bad for the newer fans.
-- If you can tolerate amateur poetry enough to do a SUCK/NOT SUCK poll, PLEASE check out http://grove.ufl.edu/~jeremy. (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu)------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 10:50:42 +0600 From: dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: JP clinic Message-ID: <m0t2QNJ-0000ddC@vmbb.cts.com>
I just heard on the radio last night that John P is giving a guitar clinic in WInston-Salem, NC. The place is called the Music Loft (910) 721-1991, tix are $10 at the door or $8 in advance. That seems like a shitty thing to charge for something like this... Anyway, if there is any interest in going (Roanoke/Blacksburg area jammers or you road trippers) I'm still debating on whether or not to go. Damn school always gets in the way of [insert whatever here]!!! If somebody is interested let me know.
Dief
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:15:52 -0600 (MDT) From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Sorry for the complaint, but... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951009191044.10161B-100000@casual1>
To Mr. R.J Chinneck and any others: Please refrain from sending entire previous digests to us again! I don't know if you're answering "yes" to "include original message in reply" (from PINE) but please stop! I've received 3 old digests in the last 3 digests I've read...
Also, I don't think it's a great mystery why some people don't want DT or other somewhat obscure bands to make it big. A lot of people like bands because of what they represent, not because of the music. Some people feel "special" when only a few people like "their" band, or if they liked "Band X" before so-and-so liked them...
Will
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Fred Block <fblock@shell.monmouth.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Hello again! Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.951009221852.6932A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well...I am sure you all are wondering what the meaning of this is....Well...It is a private thing that I can not share with all you. Ask Damon. Maybey he'll tell ya!! Damon... It is December 28th in Long Island. I want to go with a few people. Would be kinda cool if we got a possy together and stormed the place. :) NE1 else interested?
On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Damon M. Fibraio wrote:
> Fred. > > I ... heard ... your message. I'd love to go to Malibu, wherever that is. > when is the show? Hell, who cares. I'll give my right eye, (not that I'd be > losing much) to see DT. > >
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:38:42 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (The one they call Jeff) To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACoS video Message-ID: <95100922384240@acl.nyit.edu>
Wouldnt it be great if DT decided to make a video of some kind for ACoS. They could put it out on videotape (concidering MTV wouldnt play it). It could be a mini-movie to bring out the imagery in the song. Just a thought.
Later
________________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Forte jforte@acl.nyit.edu "All these mistakes you say I've made, got me more laugh-lines than things that felt right" --Neds Atomic Dustbin
"We are secrets to each other, each ones life a novel no-one else has read; even joined in the bonds of love, we are linked to one another by such slender threads" --Rush ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 23:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: how strange the DoE ACoS sounds... Message-ID: <199510100318.XAA26609@amber.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well... it had to happen... after how many people said that the new ACoS sounds strange... I finally got around to listening to the DoE version of ACoS again (well, on Subcon, but still the DoE version) and it sounds soooo strange to me after listening to the EP version for quite some time... I mean, it sounds too fast, and the lyrics seem strange... after I've finally gotten used to singing along with the new ones... although "Please don't go" still was right in place (thats the only line that I really miss from the new one)...
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