YTSEJAM Digest 1017
Today's Topics:
1) wake up and smell the coffee, pt II
by hiw100@psu.edu (howard wiener)
2) ACoS add
by laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
3) Keeping DT Underground
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
4) mainstream myth
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
5) Re: Hello again!
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
6) Re: Subcon Insert
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
7) Re: Awake cutouts?
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
8) Ibanez JPM100
by elliot h kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
9) YJ #1015
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
10) Racism on the Ytsejam
by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
11) Specific songs-info
by eiagm@eznet.net
12) Re: Kid on ACoS
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
13) READ THIS EVERYONE!!!
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
14) Band/Album/Song names
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
15) Trey's random short #'d thoughts
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
16) JP Clinic, and swords
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
17) Live Recordings? and Response to others
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
18) Consciously Unreal
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
19) Marc Bonilla (sorry no DT content)
by edju@scf.usc.edu (Edward Ju)
20) Another one of my ideas...
by Deebor@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 17:12:57 -0400
From: hiw100@psu.edu (howard wiener)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: sas220@psu.edu
Subject: wake up and smell the coffee, pt II
Message-ID: <199510082112.RAA47524@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
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Jammers,
Here is Part II of my concept album interpretation of awake. This one is
for Caught in a Web. Please remember that this is MY interpretation, MY
opinion, and while you may not agree, that does not mean that it is WRONG.
First, a word from the sponser...if you pst for the first time, please do
not say something like this, "I hope this works so please dont flame if it
screws up and I seem to be babbling." That stuff is just annoying to read.
Just post and no one will know if it your first post or not. And now for
our regularly scheduled program.
Oh yeah, I had a bizzarre idea last night when I was listenin to CiaW.
Awake and I&W are both concept albums, and Awake is a continuation. What do
you guys think? NOw for the good stuff....
Webster's defines web as 1. Something formed by or as if by weaving (as in
a spider's web) 5. An intricate set or pattern of facts and circumstances
6. Something that snares or entangles, a trap.
t 0:22 "Silence disguised / I watch you / show me the hurt / that haunts
you / would you despise the thrill / if all you hide were mine"
This is the guys conscience talking to him saying that it has watched over
him undercover, and is now acting as his shrink.
"I cant hold on any longer / these feelings keep growing stronger / echos
that deafen the mind / will bury my voice in their wake"
Webster's defines wake as:
wake #1 2. to become roused from an inactive state 7. to rouse from
sleep, awake, waken (up) __wake me up at 6:00__ (coincidence?)
wake #2 2. the path or course of anthing that has passed or preceeded
from def 1.2, these voices in his head, or his conscience, have waken at a
key moment to warn him. However, def 2.2 is more appropos (sp).
The lyrics imply a possible cry for help, perhaps for not committing
suicide, before it is too late. Probably a cry for help in the whole situation.
Also, the echos are voicing his feelings. they are becoming so loud in his
head that he cant even hear himself think anymore.
t 1:12 "Caught in a Web / removed from the world / hanging on by a thread /
spinning the lies / devised in my head"
here he is saying that he is hanging on by the skin of his teeth in a no win
situation which is realistically not possible to survive anyway.
t 1:39 "I've seen the path / the one you take / shows the truth / for you to
make"
He is saying to the siren this path that she lives is one of misfortune and
it feeds her lies to make into the truth.
"This turn of phrase / we might not see / is the thirst of desire / found so
easily"
We dont realize that this new course of events is actually ?sexual? cravings
that the weak mind will not be able to push aside.
"try to push me round / the world some more / and make me live in fear / I
bear all that I am / made of now / attractive I dont care"
Either the siren or his conscience is pushing him around, most likely both.
(He has two opinions of the situation, he should keep the siren and he
should get rid of her. Both ends are fighting a battle with each other)
However, he is trying to go with his conscience and put a foot down on the
situation, and he is saying, "I am giving all that I can to shun you, no
matter how attractive you and your offers may be." This is also another
realization of what is going on and trying to stand firm in his position.
"Cause even when I danced with life / no one was there to share"
In other words "even when I was young and so alive, I had no one to share
life with." This implies that his wife does not know how to have fun and
the siren fills in the void (connection to Lie-"she comes in apparently to
fill the void")
"does this voice the wounds of your soul?"
(refering to the last two lines) Is all this what your soul is crying out
and the hurt that you feel?
"Caught in a Web...devised in my head"-----same as before
t 4:10 "Tried to live the life / you live and saw / it doesn't work for me
/ I bear all that I am / made of now / attractive I cant be"
They guy is saying to the siren, "I have tried to live your on-the-edge life
style and found that I cant do it, so how can I be so attractive and
appealing to you?
"Inside the Dance of Life* is one / I'll never hold to me / you cant heal
the wounds of my soul"
(*reference to I&W --- this is where I made the connection last night)
There is this thing about life that he will never again be able to attain
which is the on-the-edge/carpe diem life style, and the siren cant fix that
for him.
t 4:39 "Caught...head" <--- same as before
"Caught in a Web / refused by the world / hanging on by a thread / spinning
a cage / denied and misread"
even though he is caught in this no win situation where the rest of the
world misunderstands and reject him (or he misunderstands and rejects the
world), he is trying to grin and bear it. I believe that this is a
connection to scarred where the lyrics are something like: what if the rest
of the world was hopelessly drowning in pain? he is asking, what if the
world understood me?
So there you have it on caught in a web. give me all the feedback you can
about CiaW and also my crazy idea that I&W and Awake are just one continuous
saga. Maybe the next album due out at the end of next year will be the
conclusion of it?
Later on folks,
Howard
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"Don't expect your own Messiah, this neverworld which you desire is only in
your mind." ---Dream Theater---
"O, that this too, too solid flesh would melt, thaw, and resolve itself into
dew!" ---Shakespeare---
"Yerushalayim shel zahav, v'shel n'choshet, v'shel or; halo l'chol
shirayich, ani kinor."
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 14:13:58 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACoS add
Message-ID: <199510082113.OAA19184@maple.enet.net>
I was looking through my November issue of Modern Drummer and noticed an add
for ACoS. It didn't have a review or anything, but I was kinda surprised to
see it there. It just said sometihng like: It contains the studio version
of their legendary 23 minute song, and live versions of their favorite
classic rock songs.
Just thought I'd post it.
On another note, what DT T-shirts are there besides the one with the
Awake Cover on it?
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Ben Laussade Dream Theater
laussade@enet.net
Metallica
Primus
Megadeth
"Would you like to buy a monkey?" Dave Letterman, from Cabin Boy.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 16:54:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Keeping DT Underground
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951008162031.26816A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Hey, Eric, I can understand your concern, but you can't chastise the
public for buying or not buying a particular artists music. As music as
I'd love to slap anyone who says Naughty by Nature is the best band- to
each his own. While some may criticize bands for "selling out" I think that
its also unfair to think that a band won't change over time (Rush and
Queensryche being good examples) How many years has Rush been together?
20-some? And Silent Lucidity was written before QR got huge. Fans who only
like a band for one song don't last very long. If a band stays big for a
long time it's because the true fans remane so. Bands must change over
time or they will self destruct or sink to the bottom. Aerosmith and the
Rolling Stones are bigger today than ever, but they went through some
rock bottom shit.
I think the best thing about being an individual is being able to
make choices for yourself. If you don't like something, don't listen to
it. And if music loses meaning when millions of people like it, did you
really understand it in the first place? If playing arenas alienates
"hardcore fans" then they were either selfish for thinking the band was
"theirs" or they really weren't true supporters at all. And believe me,
as someone who is trying to make a living as a musician- money is good.
Sure, I wanna do my own thing, but I gotta eat, too. Bands rarely make
fistfulls of cash off record sales or touring early in their careers. A
recent issue of Guitar Player magazine quotes Mick Mars as saying that he
lived in a garage until Dr. Feelgood. It took 8 years for the real money
to start rolling in. Extreme lost money on their first two world tours.
Its a tough business. I think success in music is more gratifying than
any other career because its hard fought. (note- this story applies to
people in real music- don't get me started on rap). Sorry if I digressed.
my $0.02 ($20.00?)
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 17:33:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: mainstream myth
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.951008172022.14546C-100000@timon.acu.edu>
I would like to begin by responding in general to a specific
comment made on a recent list. I do not want to name the individual
because it I am addressing the idea, or mind-set, rather than a specific
person. It is the concept that if a band becomes popular that they have
either sold out or compromised their music in some way. My favorite kinds
of music are typically not "popular" (DT, King's X, echolyn, etc.) but I
don't see the connection. I listen to music regardless of popularity.
That means I will listen to it if I like it, if it is or is not popular.
I do not think the quality of Queensryche's music has gone down. Take
Rush for example, they still pack arenas and I think Counterparts is one
of their better albums. Look at Yes and E.L.P.: in the seventies they
played in arenas and stadiums and their music didn't suffer because of it.
Bands often lose the creative flair it takes to write music, but that is
just one of those things that happnes, it is not a direct effect of
popularity. I also think you discredit the people that make up a band
when you say things like that. You imply that $ and success will cause
any given individual to compromise standards once held in high esteem.
Don't get me wrong; it is much more difficult to hold on to standards in
the limelight, but it is NOT impossible. I also think that the band
should be able to take whatever direction they want (take Rush for
example). I view the concept of being Progressive to mean that there are
no boundaries when it comes to music. Forcing an underground, supposedly
progressive mindset is quite restrictive. Sorry for the length, but that
has been on my mind for a while.
Also, in response to the person who didn't like Jon Anderson's
voice. Personally, I think Jon has one of the better voices in rock
music. I think it adds a great deal to it. You should check out Relayer
and Going for the One, regardless.
To the person who asked about attendance at DT concerts. I saw
them in Dallas last November in a club and it was packed. Sorry I don't
have an exact number. It was an average sized club.
Still dedicated to staying out of the limelight,
kyle mallett
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 20:06:19 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Hello again!
Message-ID: <9510090006.AA25295@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Fred.
I ... heard ... your message. I'd love to go to Malibu, wherever that is.
when is the show? Hell, who cares. I'll give my right eye, (not that I'd be
losing much) to see DT.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 20:06:59 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Subcon Insert
Message-ID: <9510090006.AA31445@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hell, if anyone can post that insert or email it to me, I'd love to know
what it says.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 20:34:06 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake cutouts?
Message-ID: <9510090034.AA19496@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Why would DT being in the cutout bin be bad? A stupid question, but one
that I am wondering about?
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 20:50:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: elliot h kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Ibanez JPM100
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951008204832.22675A-100000@solix>
Hey!
I was at Ace Music in Tamarac, FL, and the sales guy said that the
American made JPM guitar will be the limited edition and a Japanese made
version will be in semi-regular production available at the low low price
of $1100 US.
Now if I could bear to part with a one-of-a-kind Les Paul from the Custom
Shop, I could have a JPM100. It's a decision as tough as which DT song
is my favorite...
The JPM and the JEM:
Japanese company (Hoshino), Spanish brand name(Hoshino started making
guitars when a Spanish luthier named Ibanez sold his designs to them),
made in the USA (the custom shop), named for an Italian, Berklee-trained
guitar virtuoso.
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Elliott Kim Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:12:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: YJ #1015
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951008181024.49453B-100000@homer23.u.washington.edu>
To Patricia:
Yes, I've heard of Marc Bonilla. He does a song on "Guitar's Practicing
Musicians, Vol. II" called "White Noise." It's really jazzy, and I like
his style, but not matter how hard I look, "EE Ticket" is not available in
stores anywhere. Perhaps Cdnow can help.
By the way, to anyone on this list searching for a particular album by a
particular artist, I recommend Cdnow. Allya gotta do is telnet to
cdnow.com and follow their instructions. For starters, try looking up
Dream Theater... You might be surprised at what you find.
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To All Requesting A Song-Guide:
I volunteer to take "Caught In A Web." However, I'll probably e-mail the
finished guide-bit to a few other people before posting it, to make any
necessary changes.
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To All Rush Fans:
Someone just e-mailed me saying Hemispheres is a better place to start
than Counterparts. Ok, along with Perfect Symmetry, maybe I'll pick up
Hemispheres as well...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:26:14 -0700
From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Racism on the Ytsejam
Message-ID: <199510090126.SAA12325@atlas.earthlink.net>
Trey Allen responds to Mike C:
>2)
>>If african
>>Americans would stop acting like victims of society perhaps they would
>>cease to become as such.
>Great thought Mike C!
>
I hope the above response is an attempt at sarcasm. It is
certainly not a great thought; it isn't even logical.
Maybe the following analogy will expose the lack of logic in the
above statement:
If Dream Theater stopped acting like they are overlooked
by radio stations, they would cease to be overlooked.
People do not "become victims" without help, they are usually
victimized. Your use of the passive voice conveniently
side-steps responsibility, blaming the group for its problem. We
all should take responsibility in trying to work this problem out and
not simply blame the other. that is like telling a drowning man that he
should not have fallen into the pool.
Sorry about the lack of DT content, but this situation is getting
out of control in our society.
James Garrett
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 21:51:25 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Specific songs-info
Message-ID: <199510090214.WAA01787@mail1.eznet.net>
Regarding the idea to write out DT songs and detail the points where
interesting things occur:
I think its a great idea. Some have said it's too big a task, but I
think if many people contribute their own experiences and what they
personally found interesting, someone could make a compendium of it.
I'd like to share a little tidbit from the song "Take the Time" from
I&A:
At 5:20 (five minutes, 20 seconds into the song), the main
keyboard solo starts. At 5:33, the keyboard is arpegio-ing a chord
that I believe the rest of the band does not catch up to until
5:34-35. As though the keyboard "runs ahead" of the band in terms of
the chord progression. Now I am nothing more than an amateur
musician with little ability, but I think I am hearing this
correctly. Can anyone out there bear me out on this?
Mike
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 22:15:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Kid on ACoS
Message-ID: <307885C2.B99D.0076.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
>Last week I watched Oliver Stone's SF series Wild Palms, and there I
>noticed a very familiar looking boy. Indeed, I think it's the boy on
>the cover on ACoS. His name is BEN SAVAGE, and he plays the role of
>Cody Wyckoff, the son of Harry Wyckoff, who is played by James
>Belushi.
That's Fred Savage's little brother...and he's also the star form Boy
Meets World...and that's not the ACOS-boy, although he looks somewhat
similar...good try, but he's already been mentioned...
Problem: still unsolved...
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 22:19:22 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: READ THIS EVERYONE!!!
Message-ID: <9510090219.AA02826@junix.ju.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Ben Laussade and I have been working on a project in which we would like to
use your efforts also. You have probabaly heard of the "DT Interps" where
specific times of specific DT songs would be noted due to things going on in
the song. (ie;
2:00 J Myung does a 3/4 poly rhythm fill in the Dorain Mode.
3:11 Over all chord progression can be heard once again (other times,
1:12-125, 3:11-3:29, 5:34-5:56)
4:55 Metronome can be heardin backgoround
6:00 J Labrie's vocal line is a 5th above the underlining chord progression
mentioned above.
You get the idea...
Well, we have discussed different ways to approach this venture and have
decided on what we feel is the most effective method. We would like to
invite every Ytsejam subscriber to send his or her comments, pertaining to
the "Song of the week" (or maybe two weeks) to the jam.
I am not talking about stuff like "I think this is a really cool song and I
like it alot!" No opinions, just factual info on scales, time sigs, modes,
solos, chord voicings, unintentional interesting things, mistakes, effects,
samplings and thier meanings, subtle nuscenses, unobvious sounds and/or
noises, ect.
Ben has already started doing 6:00, the Awake version, so we should start on
it.
-------THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!--------
Make sure that you send your messages, and these meassages ONLY, with the
subject heading as;
SUBJECT: DT INTERPS (the name of the song)
This way nothing will get skipped over or missed. Also it will make it
easier for people who dont want to read thiem to skip them. It will also be
1000x easier for Ben and I to collect and sort them.
We both feel that posting these to the jam will provoke many more
discussions than would just sending them to us. But this is why IT IS SO
IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE;
1) ONLY SEND COMMENTS ABOUT DT INTERPS WITH THE SUBJECT OF YOUR MESSAGE
BEING "DT INTERPS (the name of the song)"
2) ONLY SEND COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE SONG OF THE WEEK (IF LATER YOU
THINK OF SOMETHING ELSO, MAKE SURE YOU MAKE NOTE OF IT IN THE SUBJECT HEADING
3) ONLY SEND COMMENT TO THE JAM
This will be a very cool thing to have. We will compile and post the
results, deleting comments which have been doubled in a neat readable format.
Thanks alot and lets get this thing rolling by sending the first messages
now!!!!!
Thanks,
Trey Allen <tallen@junix.ju.edu
and
Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
____________________________________________________________________________
"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 22:27:48 EDT
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Band/Album/Song names
Message-ID: <9510090227.AA20098@ici.net>
--No DT content--
Hmmm....I believe Iron Maiden's first album was self titled, and had a song
on it by the same name.
For the other question, about just song/album titles, I have two more that
are in the same vein with TMBG:
Blue Oyster Cult had a self titled first album, and the song "Blue Oyster
Cult" was on the album Imaginos. Steelheart did the same thing, self titled
album,
a song called "Steelheart" on the second album "Tangled in Reins".
I'd also like to throw a plug in here for the CD's that have taken ACOS out
of my car CD player (VERY tempararily): "Word of Mouth" and "Plug In and
Hang On", both by Vicious Rumors. They're not prog (in fact, I don't think
they're even a band anymore), but I recommend them highly. Anyone else like 'em?
Pat Sullivan - - psull@ici.net
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 95 22:48:29 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Trey's random short #'d thoughts
Message-ID: <9510090248.AA21869@junix.ju.edu>
1)
>We must keep
>Dream Theater underground!! The music is too important!!!
>
> Eric
No way man! I agree that I don't want DT to become crap pop music, but I
think that there is a huge difference between wanting DT on MTv and wanting
them to become the next TLC!
2)
> I went into the local used CD store today and saw Building Blox for
> $9.25. I am under the impression that this CD is very hard to find. If
anyone
> on the 'Jam would like me to pick it up for them, just let me know. I looked
> at the track listing and the songs were all from their other CD's except for
> one unreleased tune. The liner notes said it was limited edition.
What is the unrealesed track?
3)
Anyone know if Derreck sings?
4)
Lets send in the DT INTERPS for 6:00!
5)
What exactly is THE DREAM THEATER?
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"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: JP Clinic, and swords
Message-ID: <199510090519.AA08365@crl12.crl.com>
I just HAD to use that subject... heh
After mentioning the clinic here and elsewhere, it's ironic that I
ended up having to miss it. :( I ended up getting stuck working in
my booth, Starfire Swords, down at the
Georgia Rennaissance Festival until after six (I was hoping to leave
in time, at five), and so I couldn't go. On the up side, sales were
great -- anyone interested in a hand-forged carbon-steel blade? :)
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ---+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Queensryche * Michael Moorcock * Metallica | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Robert Heinlein * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Mercedes Lackey * Blue Oyster Cult * Raymond Feist....|------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 00:38:39 -0700 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Live Recordings? and Response to others Message-ID: <199510090738.AAA22504@ix9.ix.netcom.com>
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Can anyone tell me where the live tracks on ACOS were recorded? I must have missed that info on the CD insert. I think the production/engineering of ACOS is sub-standard for DT.
If wonder if Kevin's musical differences with DT where exemplified if the difference between I&W and Awake. I&W was more dynamic in track to track content than Awake IMO. I like sax (Another Day) and piano (LTL). Though I love Awake, my fave is I&W.
(James Garrett) writes to my response to an earlier Y-jam:
>Maybe if people would start seeing others as individuals rather than >stereotyping them based on similar physical traits (skin color or hair length) >then perhaps they wouldn't make stupid comments like the one below.
If african Americans would stop acting like victims of society perhaps they would cease to become as such.
James: Do you live under a rock? I'm not the one who coined the phrase "african Americans". Nor do I call myself an "Irish American" I'm just an American. I was speaking in general terms, don't take what I said out of context. So you know the word sterotype, you use it twice which confirms my thoughts about you as stated in Y-jam 1009. When I meet a person - red, yellow, black or white I accept or reject them as an aquaintance or friend based on personal merit, no one is alike, not all blacks are like the general black population. Look at the prison population and stop speaking out of ignorance.
Then I said: Too bad OJ got away with it,..... for now that is.
>What do you mean by "for now"? Are you planning a lynching?
No James, don't be so simple minded, I mean after this life there WILL be an afterlife where dark will be bright and the blind will have sight. There will also be a judgement each one of us will face by God. That's when OJ will have to anny up.
>Profanity? Fifteen year old kids? Oh I forgot, your very simple mode of >thinking is to group objects together based on stereotypes. I have news for >you--the word FUCK is part of reality. Part of progressive thinking is to >expose reality for what it is rather than denying its existence. The word FUCK >exists and, as many jammers have pointed out, can be used in many different >ways with many different meanings. I found the "Mercy Fuck" discussion to be >relevant to our working out the lyrics to find the different meanings. James: Do you even know what F U C K stands for? Do you know the origin of the word? What is it mister intellect?
> " who howled on their knees in the subway and were dragged off the roof > waving genitals and manuscripts, > who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and > screamed with joy, > who blew and were blown by those human seraphim, the sailors, > caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean love," > "Howl" (1956) > Allen Ginsberg
Sounds like Allen condones a homosexual lifestyle, not my cup of tea, is it yours?
Andrew Keegan writes: >So then, any use of profanity, regardless of context, would be considered >a letdown?
I appreciate your feedback Andrew, it was more intelligent than the aforementioned individual that responed to me.
Yes Andrew I personally am letdown by the use of that language by DT because I esteem them as superior musicians and don't want them to lean toward the language that most metal bands use. I was also bothered by Rush using the name of Christ in a less than honorable way. And no I don't think DT is a strictly metal band.
>I understand. You seem to think that people are really pissed that the F >word was replaced. Most of us don't think it's that big of a deal, and >just figure it's something to talk about. Sorry if it has no O.J. content.
The OJ content was only a response to an earlier Y-jam initiated by someone else.
Michael C.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Consciously Unreal Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951008194935.82588A-100000@homer20.u.washington.edu>
To Trey Allen:
Yes, Consciously Unreal has a noticeable flanger throughout many parts. This is not from the show, but from the recording device. Flanger is one of the sound-effects that occurs when the parts of a cassette-recorder begin to wear out and don't maintain a consistent level of power or speed during recording. I am convinced CU was recorded on an audio cassette, not only because of this horrid flanger-effect, but also because of the pitch-shifting that can only be achieved via crappy speed-up-slow-down cassette-recorders.
Cadbury Eggs!
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 20:02:42 -0700 From: edju@scf.usc.edu (Edward Ju) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Marc Bonilla (sorry no DT content) Message-ID: <199510090302.UAA26588@chaph.usc.edu>
From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
> PS4: Has anyone out there, especially in LA, heard of > Marc Bonilla ? He is another great guitarist. I would love > some news of him.
Wow, that name brings back memories...
A few years ago I was shopping at Tower Records in West Covina and over their PA system I heard this killer guitar instrumental. It was so good I had to go up to the counter and ask them which CD they were playing. It turned out to be "EE Ticket", Marc's first CD. I bought it on the spot and was more than happy to hear the rest of the CD! It was a rock guitar instrumental, with a good variety of styles but generally great rockin' stuff.
Marc's follow-up, "American Matador", was released around the time when all these masters of their instruments are trying to sing (Joe's "Flying in a Blue Dream" and Stu Hamm's "The Urge") but the CD was mostly instrumental, thank God. It was a good CD too. I don't know if he released the 3rd CD yet, but it's been a while...
Fans of great music (especially guitar instrumental) should definitely check his music out!
Eddie
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:23:19 -0400 From: Deebor@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Another one of my ideas... Message-ID: <951008232318_39646514@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Previously mentioned:
>> Which brings me to a cool idea. Wouldn't it be awesome if DT could release a cd-rom interactive version of the song. They could have recorded all the parts they have had in the song before plus the new parts, and then we could cut and paste together the "perfect" version. Think of it: replacing Portnoy's piccolo snare sound (which BTW i love) with the triggered I&W sound; or adding in the "Please Don't Go" part; or that classical part thats missing from this version.
Hell, maybe Kevin could have played on it too, and we could choose between him and Derek - or mix and match them both!
Then all ytsejammers could have their own ultimate version of ACOS.
what do you guys think? <<
This is definetly a cool idea, IMHO. Slightly impossible but hey, here's to wishful thinking! It's kinda like what I do. One time I took some of the coolest instrumental parts of DT songs and mixed them together into one song. Remember the "Majestic Jam"? It sounded pretty good, actually. Not as good as one of their actual songs, but I'm always looking for new ways to listen to DT
Which leads me to another one of my "ideas". Dream Theater's lyrics have so much meaning and I always like to "dissect" them and read them carefully to find out what each line means. Wouldn't it be a good idea to collect some kind of a "scrapbook" that contains DT song interpretations? Every new idea about a song's lyrics posted by a Ytsejammer would be included. If I get enough feedback I'll post my interpretations of as many DT songs as I can interpret. Remember AMBI? And I'll start collecting other input. And maybe someday we could put it on a homepage or something labeled as the "Dream Theater Song Interpretation Book". How about it?
Deebor
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