YTSEJAM Digest 1025
Today's Topics:
1) stuff, things, and other stuff
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
2) Copyrights
by dgswanston@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu (Rain King)
3) Stint your Noise.
by tdunn@legend.txdirect.net (Trey Dunn)
4) Some interesting tidbits to pass along...
by dgswanston@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu (Rain King)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1022
by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
6) Acoustic Dreams
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
7) Trey's #'d comments
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
8) TREY IS NOT PREJUDICE!!!
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
9) Robert Kasper
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
10) AD WHERE IS IT?!?!?!?!?!
by kylania@mail.top.net
11) ACOS
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1021
by YtseJammer <slowhand@wam.umd.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1023
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
14) Jun-Dai Bates
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
15) Venue size
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
16) Fatez, rambling...
by Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
17) Re: Who would you cast each DT member as . . . ?
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1023
by JHMorgan@eworld.com
19) Re: huge damn post
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
20) RE: Computer Pictures of THE DREAM THEATER
by P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1023
by JHMorgan@eworld.com
22) old fans vs. new fans
by dmudd@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (MUDD)
23) YTSEJAM digest 1022
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
24) nore stuff
by WildKoba@aol.com
25) dates for shows
by BELGARION <JSWEENEY5@vaxc.hofstra.edu>
26) DT Boot CDs (Last Call for Orders)
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: stuff, things, and other stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951011010248.159040A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Hey there. Okay, first: copyrights.
It is my understanding of US copyright law that once a piece is performed
in public, it is protected under copyright. However, since it is often
difficult to prove when a piece was first performed, the Library of
Congress will accept a "phonorecord" of the piece to be included
forevermore in their hallowed halls so that you can't fight the fact that
the piece was performed (be it live or multitracked). In other words,
actually mailing 20 bucks to Washington with a tape is a sort of a
necessary formality. So, don't try copywriting ACoS.
Second: Does anyone know who is opening for DT this winter? I'd kill to
see Echolyn again, but that death metal band they had this summer just
bit ass big time.
Third: I asked this once before, and got no answer. _ACoS_ says that the
music to "ACoS" was written by DT. Doesn't that imply that Derek
co-wrote it and Kevin didn't?
Fourth: As regards OJ, racism, etc. - enough! Those of us who are
intelligent enough not to generalize whole groups of people based on
cosmetic features already know that we won't convert the idiots with a
couple of e-mailings.
-Chris "I don't need your sympathy fuck!"... or something
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* The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall *
* Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. *
* "The flame that burns twice as bright *
* Burns only half as long" *
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:06:44 -0700
From: dgswanston@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu (Rain King)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Copyrights
Message-ID: <95101022064385@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu>
Hey all:
Don't you hate it when you type a nice LONG letter, but when you
attempt to send it, your server tells you that your "disk quota" has been
exceeded because of all the old 'Jams that you have forgotten to delete are
taking up too much space? Maybe there is a point to Graham B's "anti-long
letter" campaign after all. (Just kidding there Graham, my one and only crack
at you. And to all the rest, I think he learned his lesson. He even had a
little chuckle himself when he responded to someone's "WARNINGS," though he
could have said it more tactfully.) Well, enough rambling...ONTO THE GOOD
STUFF!
Marc Respass gave his input about the copyrighting of ACOS earlier
today, and I agree with him. I bet Portnoy copyrighted the song before the ink
dried. The reason is, all you have to do is write "(C) <year> <so-and-so
productions>" on any original work and nobody can claim its theirs. If
somebody does, as soon as you get the legal paperwork done within the allotted
4 year grace period (red-tape has long lines but at least it is greased by
absurdly long grace periods), you can sue the pants off of anyone who "steals"
your work and claims it as their own.
It has been done (I have seen it with my own eyes), but it slightly
less than legal, where a artist (of any field) re-copyrights a piece of art in
subsequent years to avoid filing the necessary paperwork and paying the
applicable legal fees. This is, as I stated, illegal because copyrights are to
be issued to original works only, or, as we saw with ACOS '95, updated versions
by the original artists. Why authors of novels re-copyright works is a little
beyond me, maybe to re-issue or incorporate it in a "greatest hits" collection.
Compilers, however, only need to state the copyrighted date (a legal "paying
respects to") and pay whatever royalties needed. Duplication of lyrics,
though, is another story altogether. That is why most bands don't print lyrics
on cover songs...it costs too damn much!
Most of this comes from personal experience. In high school, I
animated a 3-D short titled "Everlasting", which was inspired by the music of
Ennio Morricone's score to _Cinema Paradiso_. Subsequently, I used a generous
portion of it in the final product (about 2 mins 50 secs). In the attempt to
win an international award, I needed to "rent" the copyright from him for the
bargain student price of $300 for two years (normally $500 for pros). I would
be able to show the film at any international award show and be able to claim
the prize. However, due to lack of funds (and a major case of stupidity), I
decided not to "rent" the music. I was then stripped of the 1st place award
that I had EARNED. (Sure, the music helped...a lot...but it the animation that
won everybody's heart...I swear!) Oh, well! Life's a BITCH!
Still sulking after all these years...
--*--
David Swanston -*- "Rain King" -*- E-Mail:DGSwanston@VMS9.Sci.CSUPomona.Edu
The 4-Disc Club: BOSTON, Dream Theater, Danny Elfman, INXS, P.M.Dawn, TestAmenT
"Variety is the spice of life."
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:32:00 -0500
From: tdunn@legend.txdirect.net (Trey Dunn)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Stint your Noise.
Message-ID: <9510110532.AA17150@legend>
Sheesh!! Michael Bahr needs to stint his noise (gaelic for shut up!) A
little long windedness is good my friend but don't blow it and take
advantage of it. Half the jam #1022 was your message.
____________________________________________________________________________
| | |
| Trey Dunn | Love is an act of blood |
| "The Treyminator" | And I am bleeding |
| Email: Tdunn@txdirect.net | A pool in the shape of a heart |
| | Beauty projection in the reflection |
| | Now that your gone I'm trying to make it |
| | Learning to swallow the rage |
| | I found a new girl I think we can make it |
| | As long as she stays on the page |
| | Dream Theater - "Space Dye Vest"
|
|___________________________________________________________________________
_|
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:40:08 -0700
From: dgswanston@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu (Rain King)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Some interesting tidbits to pass along...
Message-ID: <95101022400867@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu>
Just thought that I would let you all know that NBC is supporting ACOS...in a
way.
Last week on "Caroline in the City" Caroline went to a gay art museum
where she saw her "stylist." He noticed that she had her hair cut by someone
else, and they went into that typical "sleeping with someone else/it didn't
mean a thing" routine. Anyway, she propositioned him to cut her hair out in
the hall. He replied, (paraphrased) "Sorry...I won't give you a MERCY CUT!"
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha...ha...ha?
OK, maybe it wasn't that funny, but it made me think of all you little
f**kers!
Then, tonight on "NewsRadio," they were having a funeral for a rat,
and the station manager, David, was extrapolating the experience to when his
cat may die. Phil Hartman's character attempted to comfort him by saying,
(paraphrased) "Yeats died at the age of 34, and knowing his impending demise,
he penned the line 'Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.' But then again, it's
just a damn rat!"
Ok, enough for now. I will leave you to your racist comments.
One last thing...if anybody has the passwords to the "information leak"
test portion of Dune II for IBM, or know where I can find them, I would most
certainly appreciate it. Thanks.
One last thing (II)...Mike Bahr's cool! That joke was so funny!
"Don't be an ass!" BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!!! Oke, BTW, how many ADs have you
sent out so far?
--*--
David Swanston -*- "Rain King" -*- E-Mail:DGSwanston@VMS9.Sci.CSUPomona.Edu
The 4-Disc Club: BOSTON, Dream Theater, Danny Elfman, INXS, P.M.Dawn, TestAmenT
"Variety is the spice of life."
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:27:59 -0700
From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1022
Message-ID: <199510110627.XAA20831@atlas.earthlink.net>
1) I think what makes DT lyrics so good is the struggle they depict. In
Voices and the Silent Man John seems to be struggling between
his spiritual faith and the evidense presented by the material
world.
"Others steal your thoughts
they're not confined
within your mind"
It's not clear who is doing the thought stealing. Is it the church, or
is it the secular world? Although it is clear that thoughts can be
manipulated. It is the struggle between the two which
makes the lyrics interesting. It would quickly become boring
if they continually wrote about how everything sucks or how
everything is great.
> I always had a hard time listening to
>DT's lyrics, because most of the time they're quite depressing.
>Sometimes I think, I wish these guys knew Gods love, then they would
>have much more positive lyrics. It's cool that they use the Trinity
>symbol, but I would have liked it if they also lived for it.
>Later!
>
>Wietze.
>
James Garrett
________________________________
jpgarrett@earthlink.net
"Because I had found it hard to attend to anything
less interesting than my own thoughts, I was
difficult to teach."
William Butler Yeats (Autobiographies)
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:36:59 -0700
From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams
Message-ID: <v02130500aca111e0179d@DialupEudora>
Henceforth, Columbus Day will be known to me as "the day that kept Acoustic
Dreams from my ears another 24 hrs" - thanks, USPS! :^P
My review: WOW!!!
Pull it out of the packing.. wow!! Great cover, well-done layout, excellent
printing job. This thing looks more professional than many discs I see in
the bins at Tower.
Put it in the cd player.. wow!! The guys are right in your room, the
recording's so clear. And finally, I have a beautifully clear version of
them doing Tears. Mike, you've easily outdone yourself on this one (not
that I had anything against the previous discs.) Folks, if you've been
putting off ordering AD, don't!
(see, I told you my review was "wow!!!")
pg
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Paul Goracke | "Reality is that which when you
pgor@netcom.com | stop believing in it,
| it still exists." - P.K. Dick
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 02:40:54 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Trey's #'d comments
Message-ID: <9510110640.AA03068@junix.ju.edu>
1)
>Regarding the idea to write out DT songs and detail the points where
>interesting things occur:
>I think its a great idea. Some have said it's too big a task, but I
>think if many people contribute their own experiences and what they
>personally found interesting, someone could make a compendium of it.
Well send something in then people!
2)
>Wouldn't it be a good idea to collect some
>kind of a "scrapbook" that contains DT song interpretations? Every new idea
>about a song's lyrics posted by a Ytsejammer would be included. If I get
>enough feedback I'll post my interpretations of as many DT songs as I can
>interpret.
>How about it?
>
>Deebor
Looks like Deebor and I have been sharing brainwaves or something. What a
coincident!
3)
>Ya know, criticism is one thing, but this is fucking rediculous. Maybe someone
>from the band will read this and decide to never do anything for the mailing
>list again. It would be nice if people made it clear that the complaints are
>small compared to their admiration for what was done for them (relatively few
>have done this).
I'd have to disagree with you on this one. I don't know where you were
Around Sept 19th, but for more than a week straight I got 2 jams a night
each with 25 posts in them. And like 90% of htem were "ACOS is killer!"
"ACOS RULES" nothing but praise. So if DT reads the complaints, they will
surely read the many more praises.
4)
>How come no one's mentioned the old guy on the insert? Perhaps
>it's Portnoy's father? Actually, has anyone _seen_ Mike lately?
>Maybye that old man _is_ Mike. I told him to stop drinking
>Yeagermeister and smoking those damn Marlboros.
Keep the humor coming! This had me dying laughing!
5)
I like the Piccolo snare on ACOS!
6)
"I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!" :)
7)
Come on Mike B, I read that entire joke...it wasn't worth my time at 2:35 am.
____________________________________________________________________________
"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 02:40:59 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: TREY IS NOT PREJUDICE!!!
Message-ID: <9510110640.AA11354@junix.ju.edu>
>Micheal C. continues
>to make comments about African Americans and their victime hood. Trey
>"agreed" with his comments (too bad, for I have come to understand Trey is
a >true DT fan and someone who shares thier progressive and open-minded ideals)
WAIT what I said was meant in a sarcastic way such as someone mentioned in a
jam or two before.
I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT I AM NOT AT ALL IN ANY WAY PREDUJICE TO
ANY FORM OF RACE, RELIGION, HANDICAP OR PERSONAL BELIEF!!!!!! I have many
black friends and was even in a band w/ one (kind of a Rage thing).
But since you mentioned that most jammers seem to share "progressive and
open-minded ideals" let me share this with you. Although I don't agree with
Mike C, I understand where he is coming from. He stated something about
African Americans would stop being persecuted if they would stop acting like
they were. Think about the fact of how many "Black Power", Malcom X, and
other racial (against whites) T-shirts there are. In movies, we have hte
"Panthers" and many others which I have not at all kept up with. Spike Lee,
for instance, is a great director and film righter but the films he produces
are IMO 10x more racial than 75% of the American population is on an
average, to the blacks. If I were to walk around with a shirt that said
"White Power" on it, I would get jumped. But it is accepted for Black Power
advertisement to occure everywhere from the elementary schools to the malls
to the media.
I will conclude my argument by stating that IMO many, but not all, African
Americans unconsciously prolong the feeling they have of predujism by
reminding themselves of it everyday with the apperal they wear, the media
they surrond htemselves to (movies, TV and music) and the men they look up
to as great leaders.
I apologize if I offended anyone, please do not hold it against me.
____________________________________________________________________________
"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:08:22 +0100
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Robert Kasper
Message-ID: <9510110708.AA10086@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi jammers!
Sorry to do this but I don't know how I should reach'em another
way...
So, Robert Kasper, if you're out there somewhere, please email me at
basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de!!!!!!!!
I have a CD for you!!!!
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 02:48:58 -0500
From: kylania@mail.top.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: AD WHERE IS IT?!?!?!?!?!
Message-ID: <199510110748.CAA07024@dns.top.net>
Ack!!! I've been waiting for AD to get here... WHERE IS IT??? :(
Mike, I know it's not your fault, but I'm really starting to
consider assualting the local Post Office and demanding my CD!! :)
Sorry, had to get that out of my system...
dave
P.S. Bafu... you're so funny.. keep it up!! :)
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Innocence caressing me
I never felt so young before
There was so much life in me
Still I longed to search for more...
Ignorance surrounding me
I've never felt so filled with fear
All my life's been drained from me
The end is drawing near...
Mike Portnoy - A Change of Seasons - Innocence
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:50:19 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACOS
Message-ID: <9510110850.AA05785@beaver.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
"I'll always remember
The chill of November"
This is Mike Portnoy thinking back to a time when they were relaxin, man, and listnin' to
cool music, man, and smokin' dope, man.
They were chilled, man.
Peace.
Graham B.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: YtseJammer <slowhand@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1021
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951011071714.2188B-100000@rac10.wam.umd.edu>
Hmm ... why did I get digest 1021 after 1022? EXPLAIN THIS NONSENSE NOW!
Guess what I found? Some girl I met in my dorm had the radio promotional
copy of the LIE single (The one in the cardboard case) ... and she gave
it to me FREE! :) I'm kinda happy now, aside from the fact that my best
friend just got grounded. Anyway, the copy only has the 5minute edit of
LIE on it, so it's not much to listen to, but it's not something you can
buy in stores! (or so I am led to believe) Can we say, "HAPPY!"?
Oh, and another thing ... I was listening to the live version of
metropolis off of the Marquee CD, and ... the song really really DRAGS
.. some songs were just never meant to be played slowly. Reminds me of
a Roman War party bogged down in mud ... just DRAGS ...
Ok, one more bitchy comment before I head to the showers: is the
beginning riff of 6:00 done on guitar, or on that funky distorted
keyboard that's also used at the beginning of Erotomania? I personally
think it sounds like the keyboard ... what do you think?
--NO TAGLINES YET. MUAHAAHAH
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:37:37 +0100
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1023
Message-ID: <9510111237.AA21580@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:32:48 -0400
>From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: Warning - big bunch of misc crap
>Message-ID: <199510102332.TAA25322@mail.ee.net>
>
>1. THIS IS TO MIKE PORTNOY - Please, please me (gratuitous Beatles ref).
> Please add "Scarred" to the setlist on the next tour. This is the only
> absurdly self-centered request I will ever make to you or the band
> (at this time).
I'd like to support this!! Pleas play Scarred!!!!
>9. MayB ItZ jUst ME or Do oTherZ fiNd iT HaRd 2 ReAD MeSSAgeZ daT tHAt lOOk
Like
> thiS :)
harhar! Yeah, you're not the only one but Eric is a cool guy.
And I owe him something... :-)
>Joe Kruger
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:42:19 +0100
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Jun-Dai Bates
Message-ID: <9510111242.AA21710@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Well, ok, again I do it. No flames please.
Hey!!!! Jun-Dai Bates!!! Please email me!! I've got something
here for you and it's for free!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Venue size
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9510111008.B7556-b100000@bdmserver>
If DT plays in too big a place then more than likely most the place would
be empty, yet if they play clubs, more than likely the clubs will be
packed. So what is better? Seeing a club packed or some other venue
half or less filled?
My girlfriend and I went to see Kansas and Alan Parsons at a 15000 person
outdoor pavillion (Merriweather Post in Columbia Maryland). We had gone to
see Kansas since we weren't too familiar with Alan Parsons. To our dismay
Kansas was the opener and they were good. They didn't play long but
did have an encore. Alan Parsons then came on and they were awesome! They
are definitely better live than in studio. I recommend seeing them.
The point of this was even though we got lawn tickets for free (in the
right place at the right time) there were only aobut 100 people in the
lawn and only half of the middle section of the pavillion was filled. It
started raining and the lawn people were allowed to go in the side pavillion.
What does this do to a band's confidence, playing in an empty arena? They
obvious dont make any money and more than likely lose money. What would
a band rather see an empty arena of a filled to capacity club?
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com ****
**** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ****
**** GO CAPITALS!!!! "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ****
**** GO REDSKINS!!!! Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons -buy it now ****
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 02:41:52 -0700 (MST)
From: Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Fatez, rambling...
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951011021629.2884A-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
!) I wanna point out that I actually _DO_ love ACoS. It is an incredible
and very powerful song. When I listen to it, stuff sticks out all the
time as awesome. It is a great song. Sure there are parts that I _THINK_
that i would change, but espcially with something THAT long, its gonna
happen. ACoS is a great song. for me, however, it isnt top DT. yet.
@) To Mike Bahr - next time could you just post the last 'jam or
something instead? man alive...
#) I just got _Perfect Symmetry_ by Fatez... very cool. havent truly
"listened" to it much, but its growing. I really like _Through Differnt
Eyes_... Ahhh... just listening to _At Fates Hands_ again, and I hear
Kevin. Nothing all that special yet. Now I have four consecutive Fatez
albums, [Spectre to PS] that have four different line-ups...
BTW - At the same time i got _loveless_ by My Bloody Valentine, Airdance...
$) I have laundry in the dorm dryer from 3 hours ago. DOH! at least i
HOPE i still have laundry...
%) Oh come Mike, it was a joke. You laughed. Ok, maybe not you, but like
most other people. Really. They did. Out loud. I actually liked it, and
commonly ramble. It's fun. Of course it was a joke, especially in the
context of THIS beauty...
^) Could people please stop posting to the 'jam asking people to stop
posting whole 'jams? It's not like this happens on purpose. People arent
paying attention or just dont know what theyre doing. Telling people not
to post a whole jam will do absolutly nothing.
&) Okay, now some pretty cool keys beneath a guitar solo... the guitar
seems pretty bland... ok.. there the guitar goes. And the keys. cool...
*) Two quick questions on singers (not James :)
a) Whats up with Charlie Dominici? Or any of the other vocalists that
tried to take his spot?
b) Who else likes John Arch better than Ray Alder?
() I need to sleep!!!!
A "Mad dog shaven head bottle boy Freak" aka John Haveman
"D'accord je t'adore, au revoir, au revoir!"
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"Remember, this is a Professional talk show" - Space Ghost
SPACE GHOST COAST TO COAST
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:42:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Who would you cast each DT member as . . . ?
Message-ID: <skSviMW00YUz02d21L@andrew.cmu.edu>
Kevin would make a good John Cleese.
we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks
control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise
persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless
left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:46:52 -0700
From: JHMorgan@eworld.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1023
Message-ID: <951011054652_16353930@hp1.online.apple.com>
You DT fanatics should check out (if you haven't already) Gentle Giant, the
coolest prog rock band of the 70's. In fact the lead singer of GG is an exec.
with ATCO and he signed DT.
JH
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:50:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: huge damn post
Message-ID: <0kSvqDu00YUz82d2No@andrew.cmu.edu>
magna carta isn't a christian label... dont let the name fool you...
if you've heard the magellan song, you should know all about it.
we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks
control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise
persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless
left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:34:27 +0100
From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: Computer Pictures of THE DREAM THEATER
Message-ID: <"3641*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>
A collegue has scanned in two of my holiday photos of THE DREAM
THEATER in Monterey. I have one as my 'wallpaper' now. I have
them in .bmp and .pcx format. I can e-mail them to one site in
the US for access there. Will someone please let me know what is
the best thing to do with them so the most people have access.
Thanks Patricia
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:26:03 -0700
From: JHMorgan@eworld.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1023
Message-ID: <951011062601_16355191@hp1.online.apple.com>
How about an ambiguous reply to your very good question. Yes and no! Take
the Time is a wonderful example of the quintets' virtuousity and shows
they can PROG ROCK! However, they have a quiet side and a Metal side. I
have to say that if TTT did not blow your doors, you may not be enamoured
of the other material. Mt recommendation? Leave immediately for your
nearest cd shop and buy DT's entire catalog.Not a gaurantee of happiness,
but a step in the right direction.
JH
Humility through Strength
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:49:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: dmudd@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (MUDD)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: old fans vs. new fans
Message-ID: <9510111349.AA11771@s-cwis.unomaha.edu>
Hello everybody,
This is the forst opportunity I've had to write in, but I'd like to start by
saying this is a good way to get insight on DT, and other prog bands. I would
like to make a statement that, hopefully, will get people to understand why
emotions arise strongly with commercial success. I've been an avid prog-fan
for over 15 years. The first metal band I ever heard was Fates Warning. I
was also heavily exposed to Yes, Genesis, Queensryche, and other prog-rock/metal
bands for years. Even though I greatly love the fact that Qqeensryche and DT
have reach a bigger audience, it might not be a broader one. Sometimes new
fans kind of erk me!!!!!! Let me explain.
I heard DT in 1989. Looking at the credits to FW's "Perfect Sym.."
album. So I immediately went out to look for it. No radio or MTV. DT did
get some publicity, like an advertisement in a magazine, a couple short inter-
views, and a review. Queensryche was kind of the same way. I remember a time
when I would listen to Queensryche at school with a friend, and people either
laughed and slammed the music, or just didn't care. Then in 1991, SL was
released, and all of a sudden the same people are at the concerts to see only
the SL performance. This really pissed the band off, because in Omaha, NE.
we have a curse of the ZOMBIE PATROL. The same goeas with DT. Even after I
had IAW for about 2 1/2 months, that whole time people cracked on James' voice.
Saying, "the drummer needs to play", and "I hate bass players that show off".
What's funny is that later, when PMU came on the RADIO, everybody liked it.
Somebody tell me, does radio decide for AMerica what is good? Not for me!!
So I guess I can relate to some of you who slag the "poseurs", because in Omaha,
if it weren't for the poseurs, we would have more bands play here. I'm not
saying that all new fans are poseurs, but be honest. I've seen people who
meet a band and tell them they are die-hard, loyal fans who love the current
record, but don't have it and lie about their knowledge of the music. I don't
think that FW, DT, Queensryche, or any other prog band overplays!!!! It is
just based more from a European, classical context rather than an American,
blues-based context. So what!!!!! IMO, most of the "popular" music really
sucks anyway! I'd rather hear ACoS or Metropolis on the RADIO, rather than
the Tone Stemple Pilots, Grape Jam, or Scirdona in the music store.
So I leave EVERYONE with one question: the next concert you attend, look
around and see if there are people who stop moving at the time changes in a
DT song. Or, people on the floor that are ZOMBIE's during Promised Land?
Dee
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Date: 11 Oct 1995 08:57:08 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1022
Message-ID: <199510111426.AA17914@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 10/10/95 20:51
About bands selling out, Mike Bahr mentions integrity.
As many on this list would know: "Glittering prizes and endless compromises
shatter the illusion of integrity, YEAH!"
LATER-
Steve
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You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you
this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in
your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time"
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:20:18 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: nore stuff
Message-ID: <951011112016_72994685@mail04.mail.aol.com>
mike bahr- WHAT A FUCKIN BRILLIANT OBSERVATION regarding "silent man!!!"
wow....that really was swift. speaking of scheherazade (as it's actually
spelled), if you EVER get your hands on an album cammed "scheherazade and
other stories" by renaissance, PLEASE get it. an old art rock band from the
70s that probablt no one's heard of, but the few that do think they are
awesome. and mike, still waiting for AD. hope it ets here soon. thanks again.
about the guys from the west hoping to be at the malibu- just a word of
encouragement, i bought my ticjet for their june show the night before. it
was funny, cause i was at my girlfriend's prom, and in the limo on the radio,
i hear "dream theater at the malibu june 12th!" i think my girlfriend didn't
like that i wet my pants on the spot, but i had one PROBLEM! right after the
prom, i had to board a plane with mom and dad and go to colombia for a
week.so bummed as hell, i went, and came back 2 days before, figuring it was
sold out, and i called the day before, and they were like, "oh yeah, we have
some tickets left." once again, i had to change my pants.
and to those asking, it's 18 and over to get in, and the malibu is the exit
off the meadowbrook parkway, right before jones beach. i forget street names
(i'm from queens), but it's a right at the light and then it's on the left.
see ya. david
"jazz is not dead- it just smells funny." -frank zappa
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: BELGARION <JSWEENEY5@vaxc.hofstra.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: dates for shows
Message-ID: <01HWA3U7JREA8Y5IYP@vaxc.hofstra.edu>
Hey Guys and Gals,
Tickets went on sale Saturday for the Malibu show and for that show in NJ. I
already have tickets for both. Also does anybody know of the dates and
locations of any of the other shows they are doing in December.
--Jim
PS. Both tickets are on sale through Ticket master
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:59:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DT Boot CDs (Last Call for Orders)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.951011114744.13809B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Several people have asked about the availability of boots CDs and how to
get them. The guy I buy from is very reliable (I have ordered from him
about 15 times) and he gets the orders back to me within 2 weeks in good
condition.
I am willing to do one order for people on the list. Here are the Dream
Theater CDs I can get:
Title #CDs Information
------- ----- -----------
Consciously Unreal 2CD (USA 1989, 1992 Charlie on 1989 vox B+
Charlie singing Metropolis (Audience)
The Dance of Eternity 2CD (New York City, USA Limelight 3/93) A
Original A Change Of Seasons, (Audience)
Eve, To Live Forever
Tragedy 1CD (New York City, USA Limelight 3/93) A
(AUdience)
Comedy 1CD (New York City, USA Limelight 3/93) A
(Audience)
Lost in the Sky 2CD (Milan, Italy Paridiso 11/93) A
OAMOT, Afterlife, To Live Forever, Eve
(FM/Soundboard)
A Kick into a Dream 2CD (New York City, USA 10/28/94) B+/A-
TOWHTSTS, most of Awake
(Audience)
Majestic Harmonies 1CD (Stockholm 10/27/93 & Majesty demos)B/B-
Wake Up 2CD (Japan PPV Show 1/24/95) A
most of Awake, instrumental jam
(VHS/Soundboard)
Mind Control 2CD (Japan PPV Show 1/24/95/ A
Acoustic Holland 95)
(VHS/Soundboard)
**For those who won't read what is below**
The sound quality ratings are as follows
A Excellent Just below the quality of a regular live release
A- EX- Has a few little problems like uneven mix
B+ Very Good+ May be muddy in spots but not consistantly
**Notes**
1. Tragedy and Comedy are the same show as The Dance of Eternity, except
they are split into two different packages.
2. Wake Up and Mind Control are the same show except Mind Control has
bonus Holland Acoustic 1995 tracks (I think these are Tears & Winter).
3. Majestic Harmonies contains some of the Majesty demos are filler.
4. The sound quality of The Dance of Eternity, Lost in the Sky, Wake Up,
Mind Control, Tragedy, and Comedy are all excellent for boots.
5. A Kick into a Dream and Consciously Unreal have really good sound
quality for a boot, and I haven't heard Majestic Harmonies.
6. I can provide set list information on Wake Up, Lost in the Sky,
The Dance of Eternity since I own these.
7. I included audience/soundboard/source info, but I don't agree
with the person who says that soundboard and FM recordings are
always better. I have heard some near perfect audience recordings
and The Dance of Eternity is one of them. I have also heard some
excellent echolyn audience recordings, and excellent Pink Floyd
audience tapes. So audience is not always bad, but there is a
greater margin of error with audience tapes. (Most of the
really bad recordings I've heard are audience)
Ordering: **NOTE** The last day to order by e-mail is October 14th,
once I confirm your order, send in the money order
and as soon as a majority of the money arrives
I will make the order. Hopefully I can get the
CDs back to you by November 7th
1. I will be accepting orders until October 14st by e-mail at
mbacko1@umbc.edu The CDs will take 2 weeks tops to come back once I
get the money so If I have all money in by October 24th I can have the
CDs to you by November 7th.
2. Pricing - The prices were reduced and stand as follows:
1CD set $24
2CD set $43
This price includes priority mail shipping in the USA, if you are
ordering from another country e-mail me and we will work out
shipping prices.
3. Payment - Send money orders only to the following address once I e- mail
you with the amount of your total order. I need to get the money
before I can order.
Michael Backof
1894 Uniontown Road
Westminster, Maryland 21158
USA
4. If you have any questions and comments please e-mail me.
Later,
Mike Backof
mbacko1@umbc.edu
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