YTSEJAM Digest 1024
Today's Topics:
1) Beginnings in Queensryche
by Paul Tullo <pawly@eden.rutgers.edu>
2) DT SHIRT ORDER PAID/NOTPAID LIST
by "GilesMJ" <gilesmj@ccmail.apldbio.com>
3) My two cents on racism and O.J
by laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
4) Solo's
by DAO002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
5) Ronnie Scotts Video
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
6) Re: Portnoy clinic in FL
by "Matthew R. Kristal" <mkristal@eel.ufl.edu>
7) Queensryche
by laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
8) Re: please stop
by Thrash99@aol.com
9) DT at Birch Hill in NJ
by Rohit Modak <rmm30@columbia.edu>
10) Acoustic Dreams, Giving Up on Rush
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Re: ACOS copyright
by SaVeur <jjens@gmu.edu>
12) Re: dt in li and Queensryche stuff
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1021
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
14) Acoustic Dreams: excellent
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
15) Another long winded post!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
16) A Kick Into A Dream
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
17) ACOS (repeat performance) and other miscellaneous debris (fwd)
by John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
18) Re: Hello again!
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
19) NDTC...Qryche, Bulls
by Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
20) Stuff...
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:07:43
From: Paul Tullo <pawly@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Beginnings in Queensryche
Message-ID: <199510101907.PAA22549@eden-backend.rutgers.edu>
Ben Laussade:
You recently asked about starting to listen to Queensryche. I would
personally suggest "Operation: Mindcrime." If you're into the heavy
kind of stuff like Metallica, Primus, and Megadeth, you'll enjoy this
one the most. I believe 'Mindcrime' has the most consistent drive, and
the best album content. I also like the idea of the whole album telling
a story. Just my own suggestion.
pawly
"Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time"
-Dream Theater
"Take the Time"
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 16:59:13 PDT
From: "GilesMJ" <gilesmj@ccmail.apldbio.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT SHIRT ORDER PAID/NOTPAID LIST
Message-ID: <9509108133.AA813369956@ccmail.apldbio.com>
here's the orders I have to date for the ytsejam shirt. If you have not paid
(and there are a lot of you!) please get your money in asap! Thanks,
jason
jgiles@crl.com
_____BEGIN LIST_____
OWE REC'D
Aunger, Russ $14.00
Barabasch, Steffen $36.00
BeSaw, Jim $14.00
Bradley, Richard $14.00
Brady, Sean $15.00 $15.00
Chinneck, R.J. $18.00
Contrady, Marc $29.50
Crain, Bryan $14.00
Davis, Pete $42.00 $42.00
de Boer, Wietze $20.00
Delmont, David $15.50
Heller, Jon $14.00
Hoili, Ken $36.00
Huston, Bill $14.00 $14.00
Jensen, Tim $14.00 $14.00
Kilgour, Euan $64.00
Kizer, Michael $14.00
Licon, Dan $15.00 $14.00
Marshall, Adam $28.00
McCudden, Tom $14.00
meem $15.00
Merlo, Chris $15.00
Newmeyer, Craig $29.00
Nguyen, John $28.00 $28.00
Oates, Christopher $14.00
Odneal, Larry $29.00
palzewicz, Matt $30.00 $30.00
Peterson, David $14.00
Respass, Marc $14.00
Rollo, William $14.00
Rydstrvm, Mats $18.00
Sawyer, John $14.00 $14.00
Schiller, Andrew $14.00 $14.00
Silva, Dave $14.00 $14.00
Skadberg, Ryan $14.00
Skoog, Mike $28.00
Swanston, David G. $29.00 $29.00
Temmesfeld, Dan $14.00 $14.00
Thornton, David $14.00 $14.00
Tubbiola, Tom $31.00
Welty, Erik $14.00
Wiener, Howard $14.00
Wilhelm, Bruce $14.00 $14.00
Xu, Ke $14.00 $14.00
Yeo, Sebastian $85.00
by the by, if your not on the list and should be, or there is an error, please
let me know about it!
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:44:10 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: My two cents on racism and O.J
Message-ID: <199510110044.RAA05154@maple.enet.net>
I will try to stay as politically correct as I can.
$.01: About African-Americans acting like victims, that is a
semi-stereotype. I'm sure that there are plenty who do and plenty who
don't. I also know that many African-Americans ARE victims for no apparent
reason. If they act like a victim because they ARE/WERE a victim, fine.
But if they act like a victim without ever having been a victim for the
purpose of gaining leverage in different situations, I am very strongly
opposed to that.
$.02: As for O.J.:I hope he did it, so there isn't another killer running
on the loose. Also I think it likely that O.J. did it AND Mark "Dumbass"
Furhman set him up. I'm all for a seperate trial for Dumbass.
I guess we should stick to talking about DT on the Jam, but I
couldn't resist. Bye.
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Ben Laussade Dream Theater
laussade@enet.net
Metallica
Primus
Megadeth
"Would you like to buy a monkey?" Dave Letterman, from Cabin Boy.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:52:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: DAO002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Solo's
Message-ID: <01HWACKGTCJK004M3O@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
I really love ACOS. In Achilles Last Stand John does a better job
then Jimmy on the rhythyme figures of the song, But Jimmy has a far
more emotional Solo than John. And I think Myung gets stomped all over
by John Paul(IMHO). Opinions.
Alex
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:01:48 -0700
From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ronnie Scotts Video
Message-ID: <v02130500aca0bbf530f5@[128.95.235.96]>
jerry@muc.de (jerry) stated:
> Concerning the "Ronnie Scott's Uncovered" Video (or whatever it is
> called) Don't get your expectations to high! I finally received
> information from a source at eMpTyV europe. The main reason they never
> showed more footage than the 15 seconds from "Winter": they messed the
> whole thing up. Most of the time they got James' face respectivley a
> sheet with lyrics in close-up. Plus lots of cuts of the audience... So
> it's not really a concert-video at all.
Yes, MTV Europe botched their video of the Ronnie Scotts gig, but they
weren't the only ones taping. I was told there were two other cameras
running, and I'd figure they were both the band/management's. Possibly
someone who was there can confirm/deny. My info comes from an ex-MTVE
employee who I asked to run off a dub before leaving :^)
Yeah, I guess it sounds like I'm trying to brag about _not_ being able to
obtain a rare boot source. Which makes me.. just like everybody else!
pg
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Paul Goracke | "To do is to be" - Aristotle
pgor@netcom.com | "To be is to do" - Plato
| "Do be do be do" - Sinatra
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Matthew R. Kristal" <mkristal@eel.ufl.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Portnoy clinic in FL
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.90.951010211611.19727A-100000@pawnee.eel.ufl.edu>
To anyone more informed than me...
I saw something in the jam about a week ago about Portnoy holding a
clinic in Central FL...Does anyone have the basic info on that???
Please reply to mkristal@eel.ufl.edu
Thanks
Matthew R. Kristal
<mkristal@eel.ufl.edu>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:03:07 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Queensryche
Message-ID: <199510110203.TAA07188@maple.enet.net>
I'd just like to thank all those who responded to my asking what QR CD I
should start with. I guess 5 out of 6 recommendations for
"Operation:Mindcrime" says a little something about what my choice should
be. Thanks again.
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Ben Laussade Dream Theater
laussade@enet.net
Metallica
Primus
Megadeth
"Would you like to buy a monkey?" Dave Letterman, from Cabin Boy.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:09:43 -0400
From: Thrash99@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: please stop
Message-ID: <951010220853_120932585@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Cancel Subscription to Ytsejam.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:26:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rohit Modak <rmm30@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DT at Birch Hill in NJ
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951010222403.7669A-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
Everyone's posting about the DT show at Malibu in Long Island. I read on
the Ticketmaster web page that they're also selling tickets for Dream
Theater at the Birch Hill in Old Bridge NJ for a December 29th show.
That's the same place they played back in June or July.
__________________________________________________________________________
Rohit Modak rmm30@columbia.edu
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams, Giving Up on Rush
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.951010223816.14054F-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Acoustic Dreams
---------------
Sorry Mike, postal service sucks, I still haven't gotten mine yet, but I
will post a review shortly after it does arrive. Hold your head up!
Giving Up on Rush
-----------------
Mark told me not to give up on Rush. Well, I will continue to go see the
live show, since I enjoy that quite a bit. Its just that their more
recent albums seem so much weaker than the other music I'm listening to,
whether its Inferno's architect, Boud Deun's Fiction and Several Days,
Rush's 2112, Dream Theater's Images and Words, Threshold's Livedelica.
Counterparts didn't do much for me in the long run. I loved it when it
first came out, same with Roll the Bones but they kinda lost me after a
while. I'm just the opposite on Presto. IMO That album has some of
Neil's best drumming and lyrics. Everyone is different... that is the
bottom line.
Wow, post season baseball is actually exciting! Go figure... Mariners
are beating Cleveland?
Later,
Mike
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:23:56 -0400
From: SaVeur <jjens@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: ACOS copyright
Message-ID: <199510110323.XAA08362@reactor.site.gmu.edu>
someone wrote:
>> I notice that the copyright for ACOS, the composition, is
>> dated 1995. It would seem that previously recorded "boot"
>> versions would not be covered by any copyright restrictions,
>> and would be in the public domain, free to distribute,
>> without concern for violating any copyrights that apply to
>> the "official version". Is this true or false?
Marc R. replied:
>I would have to go with FALSE. Unless, of course, DT is made up of
>uninformed, people ignorant of the workings of today's society and the
>business of the music industry - which I think is also false. When you
>write a song, you have it copyrighted. You don't write a tune, go out and
>perform it live, let boots get distributed and never have it copyrighted.
>That's foolish. I think that copyright pertains to this recorded version.
>If the boots aren't copyrighted, then you could legally, perform the Subcon
>version of ACOS and claim it as your own. In fact, you could then copyright
>it and it would be yours. If you did it before the copyright of the studio
>ACOS, you might even be able to sue DT. So I'd say that the old versions
>have been copyrighted since 1989.
i say:
i would think the answer is FALSE as well...but for a different reason. now,
i'm not an expert on copyrighting or any legal shit (hell, i can't even
spell ;) but my understanding of copyright laws goes like this: whenever
someone creates/composes something, it is automatically "copyrighted" by
that person as original and belonging to/property of that person. the only
problem that arises for that person is *proving* that they created/composed
the idea "first". this is where the copyrighting procedure comes into play.
by copyrighting something (ie. filling out one of those forms and sending in
a tape ro wutever) it is *much* easier for that person th claim ownership of
that idea. and the courts generally listen to the person holding the
copyright rather than Joe Schmoe who has nothing.
get it? i think that's close to be correct. that's how *i* understand it,
anyways. agree? disagree? got proof?
life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on....
-john
j o h n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 20:40:58 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: dt in li and Queensryche stuff
Message-ID: <9510110340.AA02535@tengs1.teng>
> dt is playing at the malibu in lido beach on december 28th. got my tickets
> last weekend while home from school. they are 12.50, and while i don't know
> if they reserve tickets for you (their number is 516 432-1600), you can find
> out. and someone at the malibu also told me that ticketmaster would be
> selling some tickets.
Dec. 28, eh? Serendipitously, my friend (huge DT fan) and I will
be arriving in upstate NY the afternoon of the 27th for over a
week's stay. I think we might be able to swing getting down to
the City. It would be cool to hook up with some Eastern 'Jammers
at the show since most of us Western 'Jammers *missed out* on
repeat dates for the last tour.
How large is this place? Will it sell out quickly? Although, even
if I buy some tickets now, I could stand to lose 25-40 bucks if we
couldn't make it just to support my favorite band.
> also, someone mentioned whatqueensryche to start with, and i would like to
> suggest anything except for "warning." there's so much awesome stuff on all
> the other stuff, that it's really tough to pick a particular album to go
> with. maybe "rage."
I'd go with _Operation: Mindcrime_. _Warning_ (sans "NM156," "Sanctuary,"
and "Take Hold of the Flame,") is my least favorite. _Rage for Order_
is most excellent, as is _Empire_, but Mindcrime would probably be
the favorite of a metal fan (if I remember the original post right).
*Don't* start with _Promised Land_; it's the "Hold Your Fire" of
Queensryche albums.
Zach
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:09:36 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1021
Message-ID: <9510110409.AA15515@anthor.arastar.com>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:37:18 -0700
> From: laussade@enet.net (MonkeyBoy)
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: What the f***?
> Message-ID: <199510100037.RAA26638@maple.enet.net>
>
> Why do people keep posting complete Ytsejams to the Jam? It's starting to
> get on my nerves!
Ben (and others that are irritated),
When you see these posts (and you want to do something about it) emailing
the original poster is a useful action. Please do not include an entire
ytsejam when responding to that poster because:
1) you might accidentally be sending your flame to ytsejam@arastar.com
2) it might be considered emailbombing.
Also writing to the user's postmaster might be useful. (Though possibly
harsh.)
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>
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:43:46 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Nathan Dayspring <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: 6:00
> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951010013625.2760P-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
>
> I'd just like to make one comment on 6:00. I'm not going to go into a
> deep discussion. Anyway, the quotes in the song, "What about the honor of
> God, Aunt Kate? I know all about the honor of God, Mary Jane," is from an
> Irish short story called "The Dead." I forgot who wrote it
It was written by one of my (and one of Kevin Moore's) favorite authors:
James Joyce. The samples from "Eve" also originate from there (and "Nora"
is also related.)
Info on this (and the other samples) is in the FAQ (or was going to go
in there--a large discussion was done when Awake first came out).
> Someone on the Queensryche list (Screaming in Digital) suggested a while
> back that the quote in "The Mirror" which goes, "What are you doing
> here?" is Mary from Queensryche's
Mike gave me a list of sources of samples on that song and Operation
Mindcrime was not one of them. This FAQ is sort of like the "I heard
the hospital opening of Mindcrime on show X" (the answer to the Mindcrime
thing is that the opening of O:M is from a sound effects tape that is
commonly used for Hollywood hospital backgrounds. It has appeared in
*dozens* of places).
I'm pretty sure that the original source was put into the FAQ. If not
it's in last October's 'jams.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:45:26 C
> From: freel@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: The great snare controversy
> Message-ID: <00997A3A.895A03C0.5@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>
>
> It seems that most people on this list hate Portnoy's snare sound on ACOS....
> why?
Maybe 'cause they're not used to it :) I, personally, like it.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
> Subject: S.Johnson.YJ.1019.1
>
[deleted]
> 1. Yes, it is generally bad form to greet another with a fart or other
> such ass-dispersed salutation.
Although if both individuals have known each other long enough, it can
be used.
> 2. Since when do people use public mailing lists to carry out private
> arguments?
This tends to happen when emotional material is involved. There would
be a lot less flamage on the net if people would just wait 24 hours
before posting their flames.
Personally, I feel that if you want to discuss OJ, prejudice, hatred,
or any related topic that you should bring them up in an appropriate
forum (like in appropriate newsgroups). These topics aren't on "Dream
Theater or related bands" so they should be moved elsewhere.
Having said that, I won't enforce it (posting entire backissues to the
list or posting ads will be enforced). If you, the reader, feel that
a topic is inappropriate for this list, tell the author of that post.
> This better involve all 1,080 of us in some way, otherwise take
> it elsewhere.
Um. Try 1125+ (well, it's 1125 this second, but there are a bunch of
unprocessed requests waiting in the queue so I expect it to go up again).
Unfortunately, many are requiring human intervention (especially if
routed via a certain misconfigured www page :)
> 3. What is a "firewall?"
A firewall is a defensive measure used by many Internet sites. It's
also the wall between the passenger compartment and the engine compartment
in many cars. Firewalls can block all sorts of interesting stuff. They
can also sometimes be fooled...
-- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:35:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Acoustic Dreams: excellent Message-ID: <199510110535.AAA24493@tam2000.tamu.edu>
just wanted to say that i got my acoustic dreams cd and it is great. i actually have had it since last week, but didnt get off my ass to say anything about it til mike begged us to :)
anyway, the acoustic and demo tracks are fantastic quality. L.I.E. is kinda weird, and doesnt resemble lie very much, but i like it :)
any way you can post exactly when/where this stuff came from? i must have forgotten if you said. it was obviously an in studio/rehearsal/fm type of situation. crystal clear except for a little analog noise on some tracks.
the "bonus tracks" sounded like you pulled them directly off a.k.'s tape...
hehe
ps. i still like "when dream and james unite" alot better than "...today..."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Brian V. Cox~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I built a wall around my garden Rush When people started telling me what to grow, Dream Theater It's cold and callous and throws a heavy shadow, King's X Over the field I choose to call my own Queensryche I hate the wall and its selfish display echolyn My garden becoming sterile in its pretentiousness, Fates Warning There's something wrong with this... Tori Amos My direction lost in shallow righteousness DAT Taper/Trader... Suffocating the bloom...and every blossom" -echolyn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~lerxst@tamu.edu~~~~~~~http://http.tamu.edu/~bvc8995~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:39:15 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Another long winded post! Message-ID: <199510110539.WAA04596@bud.indirect.com>
Yup, my second long post in as many days! Live with it! :) I'm stuck at home invalid with fever, and thus, need to blow time this way.
Okay, I checked into the Silent Man. Here are just the tip of the iceberg on ways it's based on Arabian Nights.
* A question well served, is silence like a fear, or a voice never heard, or a message with no receiver?
This is right out of the prologue of Arabian Nights, the story of King Shahryar and Shahrazad, the woman who tells the tales for a thousand and one nights. Shahrazad is the daughter of the royal vizier, and they argue when she says she knows how to get King Shahryar to stop killing a maiden every night (which was what he had been doing) and she asks him if silence is like a fear, or if a voice never heard or a message with no listener might have the answer. This sets up her telling the King the tales so the King won't kill her, every night, as she tries to get the message to sink in.
* Pray they won't ask
This is out of a bunch of the tales, most notably the Merchant's tale, the Barber's tale, and the tale of the Ox and the Ass. In each one, a person holds a secret at some point that they fear they are cursed to die if they ever reveal.
* Behind the stained glass, there's always one more mask
The women of the Nights were usually up to no good in some form or another, and it usually involved disguise.
* Has man been a victim, of his woman, of his father?
The following men in Arabian Nights were victims of their women: King Shahryar Shah Zaman (from the framework tale) The 3 Shiekhs (from the Tale of the Merchant and the Djinn) Prince Mahmud (from the Tale of the Enchanted Prince) Badar Al-Din Hasan (from the Tale of the 3 Apples) The barber's first, second, and fifth brothers (from the Hunchback's Tale) Every male character in the tale of Dalilah Sinbad (from Sinbad the Sailor)
The following men in Arabian Nights were victims of their fathers: Aladdin (guess) The Sage Duban (from the Fisherman's tale)
When I refer to being victims here, I mean the women/fathers deliberately screwed them over in some way, the effects varying from a blatant betrayal to death.
* If he elects not to bother, will he suffocate their faith?
This refers to the Silent Man directly (the barber). He is a saver of lives and a mediator of disputes, and more importantly, the world's biggest teller of tall tales. (He calls himself The Silent Man and is all but silent). At one point the SM himself says "if I decide not to bother, where will be their faith in me?"
* Desperate to fall behind the great wall that separates us all.
This is a heavily recurring theme, it shows up in the stories of the Ebony Horse, Ali Baba, Aladdin, Julnar the Mermaid and her son Badar Basim, Prince Behram and Princess Al-Datma, the tale of the Nur din-Ali and his son, and Sinbad the Seaman. In all of these cases, the princes want to marry a certain princess, who takes their heart away entirely, so that they swear they'll die if they don't get her, and yet, naturally, they've chosen the one princess in all the world that's locked up in a dungeon with a raving barbarian for a father and kept away from the world. Usually, they steal the girl outright.
* When there is reason, tonight I'm awake
This one should be easy... King Shahryar, Shahrazad, and Dunazade were awake for 1001 nights while these stories were told.
* When there's no answer, arrive the Silent Man.
The mediator of disputes, saver of lives, and sage of fortunes.
* If there is balance, tonight he's awake
Balance is a big deal in these books. The old principle of Eye for an Eye is heavy-handed here. So is the idea of swift, personal justice and the adjudication of the caliphs/sultans/emirs/etc. In fact, well nigh half the stories have to do with balance.
* If they have to suffer, there lies the Silent Man.
Again, this is exactly what the SM saved people from...
* Sin without deceivers, a God with no believers
I'll leave this to everyone else to figure out... Every single character in the book praises Allah but worships either money, power, or their own twisted ways.
* I could sail by on the winds of silence,
Just like Sinbad did. Word for word, folks. :)
* And maybe they won't notice, but this time I think I'll do better if I swim...
The focus of the Sinbad tale is for Sinbad to learn humility. Once he finally gets on the right track, he is rewarded with wealth and power beyond what he ever could have had as an arrogant sailor. The entire bridge seems to deal with this.
The song ends there, and it's just as well, because that's the last tale in the Arabian Nights! It worked out rather well. I know there's a lot of room for interpretation here, but wouldn't you say it starts to fit rather snugly for a song with heretofore-unexplained lyrics?
Now then, on to other things. I had the opportunity in with running errands and mailing CDs and so on to visit three Tower Records stores today, and just out of coincidence, the Tempe, Phoenix, and Mesa stores had ACOS in their bestseller rack at #27, 14, and 5 respectively. #5!! For an album like this, that is phenomenal. I also noticed that they were all out of cassettes and only had a few CDs left. I think somehow, someway, this band is going to be the underground success a la Rush we've hoped for.
Power Surge + Infernal Darkness + COP Red. Enough said.
I want to go to the Dream Theater show in Lido Beach, 12/28, but naturally I'm a continent away. If it dosen't sell out too soon, I might have someone buy me a ticket, and then make the trip. I dunno. I didn't like the New York area last time I was there (1991) but to see the only show on the ACOS tour in the USA, it may be worth it. We're talking Caress of Steel tour here, folks.
The Silent Man on Acoustic Dreams isn't all that different from the original version on Awake.
But wait, there's more! I was wondering if any other musicians in the audience are covering DT songs in their band. I think that'd be a SWEET project, tape or CD, to get covers together. My band does Pull Me Under, but then again, we're not as good as you prog-wizard Metropoplayers. :)
There was a Plan, and the Plan was without substance, and it would produce nothing, and darkness descended upon the faces of the workers, and they said unto their supervisors: "It is a crock of shit, and it stinketh." And their supervisors went to their managers and said unto them: "It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odor therein." And the managers went to their department heads and said unto them: "It is a vessel of manure, and none may abide its strength." And the department heads went to their liaisons and said unto them: "It is a container of fertilizer, and it has great strength." And the liaisons went to their bosses, and said unto them: "It is that which grows plants, and is very strong." And the bosses went to their executives, and said unto them: "It promotes growth, and is very powerful." And the executives went to the Chairman of the Board and said unto him: "This Plan will promote growth and expansion throughout the Company, and is a strong, worthwhile measure we will be proud of."
..And the Chairman approved of the Plan, and the Plan became POLICY.
- Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:54:37 -0600 (MDT) From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A Kick Into A Dream Message-ID: <9510110354.AA95600@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hello all, Just a little note to say that I've had a taker for AKIaD. Thanks to everyone who was interested in buying this from me. Talk to ya later.
Slainte, Bracken "Without music, life would be an error." Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:09:43 -0500 (CDT) From: John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACOS (repeat performance) and other miscellaneous debris (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.951010230858.19008A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietrick Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: "John T. Nguyen" <nuprin@fn.net> Subject: ACOS (repeat performance) and other miscellaneous debris
Fist off let this be said to anyone who LIKES THE "PLEASE DON'T GO" lyric. If you read the lyric's it makes perfect sense in the middle of the song, but makes little or no sense at the end. If you want it in the song leave it in the middle, the end just doesn't make much sense. Now those of you who like it on DoE better don't get uptight, just listen to both versions with lyrics in hand and try to figure it out.
I like the Snare on ACOS, I was the first to say HELMET-esque. But I would like him to go back to the old (Awake) sound for the new album.
Andy
Andrew Miller ytsejam@UDel.Edu University Of Delaware Contact me @ (302) 837-2389 *************************** So don't, don't, don't, don't, don't fuckin' sell me. -echolyn
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 0:41:42 EDT From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Hello again! Message-ID: <9510110441.AA01439@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Fred.
Just two words. I am there. As long as you can supply me a means of transportation, I'll get the money for my ticket.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:12:51 -0700 (MST) From: Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: NDTC...Qryche, Bulls Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951010125803.29466B-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> YTSEJAM Digest 1021 > > Today's Topics: > > 1) HELLO!!!!!! > by srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough) > 2) General Stuff, DT Aboveground? > by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> > 3) Repost of YTSEJAM 1020, 1019, er... wait. There was no 1019... :) > by Whoops <jlabrie@eve.berklee.edu>
Scared ya, huh... BTW- I got rid of a cool Marillion sig to make up for that little joke... (yes, that address is a joke)
For somebody asking about Queensryche: _Operation: Mindcrime_ is probably the best place to start. My fav Q album, just an incredibly intense and powerful concept album that is strong start to finish... It's also probably their hardest album...
>Dennis Rodman -- a Chicago Bull? YEEEEEEESSSSHHHH!!!
This is sick and wrong. If you look up in the dictionary "Things That Just Should Not Happen" right after "Sheryl Crow Singing _D'yer Maker_" it will have "Dennis Rodman Playing For The Bulls." I liked Dennis as a Piston, when they just rocked and had all those cool games against the Bulls. I got sick of him on the Spurs, and now... he's on the Bulls, the antithesis of the Pistons. Sick and Wrong. BTW - No offence to Sheryl Crow fans, or Bulls fans for that matter, things look bleak for all NBA teams that don't play in Chicago, the Suns and Pistons (my favs) will have to wait...
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:48:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Stuff... Message-ID: <199510110448.AAA15336@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all ....
Just finished reading the last 12 jams. I hate when I don't read every day. Gotta get back in to that good habit. Gotta get back in to a lot of good habits. Its been a very long past week :)
Let's see ......
LI show - December 12/28 - My Grandma's Bday .... I can see it now. Home for the holidays, get to the 28th. "Grandma, I would love to go out to dinner with you and enjoy your birthday with you, but it DREAM THEATER!!!!!!" :) Gonna call good old LI tommorrow to try and get some tickets. Credit Cards rule :) I'm out in Kings Park myself, but would be willing to meet up with people from there or near the show or whatever. Oh yeah, two questions about the show .... A) Anyone heard anything about an over 21 thing at this one, THAT WOULD SUCK, and B) Where is Lido Beach? I've heard the name, just can't think of what it is near, any landmarks that I would know nearby? Neighboring towns? You get the point.
Racism - sucks. End of Story
New JP Guitar - "Hey Mom, wanna get me a REALLY nice Christmas Present???" :)
Heart with Thorns -- Sacred Heart of Jesus. I know, I worked in a church for 4 years (yeah, the one John Petrucci got married at 2 weeks after I left for college. I will NEVER forgive him for that one :)
Smiley faces -- way too many in this one so far
Acoustic Dreams -- Still waiting ........................................
Mike Bahr's long posts -- Mike rocks, leave him alone
Mike's last long post -- SOCIAL LIFE?!?!?!?!?!? You mean you have a social life? I WANT ONE!!!! :) I work a full time job, taking off from school at the moment. But full time to me means more like 60-80 hours a week :)
OK enough blabber ....
Ohh last thing ... If anyone has ANY suggestions on what I can do to improve my Dream Theater page, mail me. I am gonna do a complete and total overhaul RSN :) Check it out at http://www.dreamt.org
Have a good one, Skadz -- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- | | | | Ryan P. Skadberg | Web Sites I have created: | | skadz@bluesky.net | http://www.dreamt.org/ | | System Admin/Web Developer | http://www.stream.com/ | | Blue Sky, Inc. | http://www.ma.cancer.org/ | | http://www.bluesky.net/ | http://www.frontier.com/ | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "We can hold for the future, but there may not be one" - Dream Theater | -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
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