YTSEJAM digest 1042

From: ytsejam@arastar.com
Date: Tue Oct 17 1995 - 01:33:40 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1042

    Today's Topics:

      1) Acoustic Dreams....
     by kylania@mail.top.net
      2) Re: fav bands
     by w de boer <boer303@hio.tem.NHL.NL>
      3) 5 Favorite bands besides DT
     by Nathan Dayspring <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
      4) Re: fav bands (Dan T.)
     by w de boer <boer303@hio.tem.NHL.NL>
      5) guitarists vs drummers vs vocalists vs...
     by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1038
     by VM460899@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU
      7) MP Clinic in Kansas City????
     by kylania@mail.top.net
      8) Fav 5 guitarists/drummers
     by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
      9) RE: UK Tours
     by P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
     10) Song Lengths
     by "Brian L. Kirk" <bkirk@blkbox.COM>
     11) Calling all metalheads
     by bresleja@bigvax.alfred.edu
     12) Re: Other Groups/Blind Suckus/DT NYC Shows/To Mike B./USPS
     by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
     13) Mary's voice
     by steadle@usaor.net (Eric Lee Steadle)
     14) drummer vs. guitar
     by dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer)
     15) YTSEJAM pronunciation
     by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
     16) My favourite bands
     by aurora@wirehub.nl (Jan van Huizen)
     17) RE: guitar setups
     by haiders@kenyon.edu
     18) 5 top bands?
     by ahtrap@umich.edu
     19) Favorites/Blind Melon
     by bjgateno@students.wisc.edu (Benjamin Gateno)
     20) An apology
     by Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
     21) Seattle dinner thing
     by C. Moyer <thalamo@u.washington.edu>
     22) 5ive fave non-DT bands
     by Dan Kidney <dkidney@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
     23) Re: ACOS, Kevin Moore
     by AirDance@aol.com
     24) Re: Kevin Moore/Tori Amos
     by AirDance@aol.com
     25) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1039
     by Frank Marotta <fmarot01@barney.poly.edu>
     26) Re: fav bands (Wietze) *NDTC*
     by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 03:29:16 -0500
    From: kylania@mail.top.net
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Acoustic Dreams....
    Message-ID: <199510170829.DAA06690@dns.top.net>

    Two words....

    I cried.

            This disc is just incredible. I'm stunned.

    dave
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    Innocence caressing me
    I never felt so young before
    There was so much life in me
    Still I longed to search for more...
    Ignorance surrounding me
    I've never felt so filled with fear
    All my life's been drained from me
    The end is drawing near...

    Mike Portnoy - A Change of Seasons - Innocence
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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:01:54 +0100
    From: w de boer <boer303@hio.tem.NHL.NL>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: fav bands
    Message-ID: <9510170901.AA00273@hio.tem.nhl.nl>

    > Hey Wietze

    > Have you heard _Dimensions_ by Believer? Any DT fan should check
    > out the
    > 20-minute epic, "The Trilogy of Knowledge", off of that album.
    > Violins,
    > female vocalists, it's got it all. Later...
    >--------------------------------------------------------------------->---
    >| Ben Brizzell | "People started to walk the land,
    >|
    >| e-mail address: | Countries rose out of the sand,
    >|
    >| brizzb@sage.edu | Races came to separate,
    >|
    >| Individual Studies | And then they found the need to
    >hate" |
    >| Sage Junior College | - "Stardust"
    >|
    >| of Albany | by Anachronism
    >|
    >--------------------------------------------------------------------->---

    Ben,
    Of course I have Believer's Dimensions. I bought my copy a day
    after the album was released in August '93. The Trilogy of Knowledge
    is indeed a brilliant piece of music, but the rest of the album is
    not that great.
    Later!

    Wietze.

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 04:08:13 +0000 (GMT)
    From: Nathan Dayspring <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: 5 Favorite bands besides DT
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951017040558.10469A-100000@beta.loyno.edu>

    My five favorite bands besides DT are:

    Rush
    Queensryche
    Live
    Fates Warning
    Savatage

    Paul

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:13:46 +0100
    From: w de boer <boer303@hio.tem.NHL.NL>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: fav bands (Dan T.)
    Message-ID: <9510170913.AA00280@hio.tem.nhl.nl>

    >>-King James
    >
    >Ouch, that hurts! 80's metal in the 90's... I had this CD (mainly
    >because of Rob and Tim of Stryper playing on it), but quickly sold >it
    >because it got on my nerves so much...
    >
    >>These are all Christian prog rock/metal bands. It's a shame these
    >>bands are not very well known.
    >
    >A shame for the first 4, but I'm glad that KJ is not so well known,
    >IMO (not a flame against your opinion).
    >
    >>Wietze.
    >
    >Dan Temmesfeld
    >s1133627@cedarville.edu
    Dan,
    Maybe you should give the KJ album another listen. At first I
    didn't like it much either, but it grew on me and now it's one of my
    favorite albums. BTW, what's wrong with 80's metal? Besides,
    there's some 90's influence in there too.
    When you listen to Torman Maxt, at first you will be disappointed
    too. But like KJ, it has to grow on you. There's a lot of acoustic
    guitar stuff here, but with some really great solos and I love the
    singer's voice (remember an 80's speed band called Realm?)
    Later!

    Wietze.

    P.S. Do you have a lot of Christian metal?

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 06:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: guitarists vs drummers vs vocalists vs...
    Message-ID: <199510171025.GAA10836@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>

    Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that old debate again:)

    c'mon we play instruments and every different instrument is unique. It will
    be really unfair to the people who have been practicing 14 hours a day for
    10 years to learn that their fav instrument sucks right? I play guitar but
    I'm totally blown away seeing my buddy playing Moonlight Sonata even if he's
    doing it while watching the notes. it's the music that counts and if you don't
    like the guys who learned from tabs than you too don't get to watch vdos.
    I spend five years learning listening through my crappy tape player before
    I knew there was a thing called tab or guitar magazines and had to wait for
    some friend or somebody coming from tthe States or England or wherever and
    wish that they'ld remember to bring one of those magazines besides candy.
    so shut the fuck up and listen and practice!

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:37:50 -0500 (EST)
    From: VM460899@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1038
    Message-ID: <01HWJESXRAKI8ZEF5Q@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU>

    Catchin' up on new threads...

    5 Fav. bands other than DT:
    1. Tourniquet
    2. Believer
    3. Steve Morse/Dixie Dregs
    4. Kings X
    5. Kansas

    5 fav. guitarists other than JP
    1. Steve Morse
    2. Uh, never mind...

    How about this...I don't mean to sound so negative, because I love all
    of Dream Theater's songs (I think they are the ultimate band that combines
    everything I love about music), but I was sort of wondering what songs
    were the LEAST favorites...everyone basically thinks stuff like LtL, PMU,
    Surr, Scarred, etc. are the best, but what don't you like so much...Here's
    what I think:

    Least Fav. DTs:
    WDADU - Status Seeker
    I&W - Pull Me Under
    Awake - Innocence Faded
    ACOS - Zeppelin Medley

    M.A. Van Opstall
    VM460899@cit.hope.edu

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 06:10:09 -0500
    From: kylania@mail.top.net
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: MP Clinic in Kansas City????
    Message-ID: <199510171110.GAA00085@dns.top.net>

    Hi all,
            Someone mentioned Mike's gonna be in Kansas City.. When and Where
    and How Much???? I saw him in Omaha in Sept.. but would gladly drive the 3
    hours (listening to DT all the way!) to see him again... heheh.. he could
    sign my Acoustic Dreams this time!

            Please.. if anyone know's this info.. mail me private or on the
    Jam.. I finally caught up reading them all! :)

    dave
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Innocence caressing me
    I never felt so young before
    There was so much life in me
    Still I longed to search for more...
    Ignorance surrounding me
    I've never felt so filled with fear
    All my life's been drained from me
    The end is drawing near...

    Mike Portnoy - A Change of Seasons - Innocence
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:06:00 -500 (EST)
    From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Fav 5 guitarists/drummers
    Message-ID: <3083B8E9.B99D.0001.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>

    Here's my top 5 guitarists (in no order):

    John Petrucci
    Erik Mendez [Tourniquet]
    Chris DeGarmo
    Nuno Bettencourt
    Lanny Cordola

    HM: Malmsteen, Vai, Tabor, Skolnik

    Here's my top 5 drummers (in no order):

    Mike Portnoy
    Mark Zonder
    Neil Peart
    Ted Kirkpatrick
    that one-armed dude from Def Leppard (you have to give him
    credit...his stuff might be too complex, but it's damn good for doing
    it with only 1 arm)

    Dan Temmesfeld
    s1133627@cedarville.edu

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:27:26 +0100
    From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: RE: UK Tours
    Message-ID: <"3682*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>

    >In ytsejam 1028 Graham Borland mentioned the lack of Dream
    >Theater shows in the
    >UK, claiming that they had already sold out.
             
                                                                                    
            
    >Back in March this year there were plans to do a full UK tour,
    >which was
    >reduced to one show at the London Forum (which as you might
    >guess, was amazing
    >(incidentally was this the only gig that had John Petrucci's
    >guitar tech.
    >working the wah pedal during one of his solos, enabling John to
    >roam around the
    >stage?)) (sorry about all the brackets).
             
             I was going to respond to Graham last week, then lost the thread.
             Even though we did not get a full tour, we must remember that both
             LATM and 'Ronnie Scotts' were in the UK. Fanzine readers were able
             to get FREE tickets for Ronnie Scotts.
               
             Also remember that Europe is not so far away. I went there twice
             this year to see Dream Theater, driving back immediately both from
             the Ghent(att. 1500) and Saarbruecken (1500) shows, getting to see
             them 3 times. It is not too expensive if you take night time
             ferries.
             
             I think that AWAKE did not sell well enough in the UK for the
             promoters to guarantee DT sufficient financial returns for
             a UK tour. They can't do it for nothing !
              
             wah pedal - the guitar tech certainly did it at Dusseldorf (5000).
             
             Patricia

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:23:41 -500 (CDT)
    From: "Brian L. Kirk" <bkirk@blkbox.COM>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Song Lengths
    Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.90.951017091653.17766A-100000@blkbox.blkbox.COM>

     Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> wrote

    >
    > Countdown to Extinction may have been a sellout, but it was not because of
    > anything Metallica did. Both CtE and the black album came out in 1992,
    > Metallica's in mid-August, not sure about the other.
    >
    > Another possible explanation I've heard for Megadeth's change was Mustaine's
    > getting off of drugs. Since he was the principal writer of most of the
    > material, when he lost the smack, he lost his "muse".
    >
    > Both bands seem to have gone to writing shorter, less complex tunes.
    > *That's* what disappoints me the most. The greatest thing is when a band
    > can write long(ish) songs that are so tight, they feel shorter, like "One"
    > or "Holy Wars..."
    >
    > With DT, it's like PMU, which I still can't believe is over 8 minutes long.
    > Hopefully, DT will continue to push the envelope.
    >

    And at the other end of the spectrum are songs like Bach's "Little" Fugue
    in G Minor. It's only 3 1/2 minutes, but it packs in so many notes that
    it feels more like 7 or 8 minutes. If you've never heard it, head down
    to your local Blockbuster and check it out at the listening station.
    Imagine DT and FW playing Erotomania together in rounds (it *is* a fugue
    after all).

    Brian Kirk
    bkirk@blkbox.com

    .sig construction next 4 lines

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    P.S. I've noticed quite a few Brian's posting to the list. I wonder how
    many of us there are?

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:55:47 EST
    From: bresleja@bigvax.alfred.edu
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Calling all metalheads
    Message-ID: <00997FF6.D0DA9A40.7@bigvax.alfred.edu>

    Alright, since we're on the topic of naming our favorite non-DT
    bands, I thought I'd jump right in. So far, I haven't seen anyone
    of you who are metalheads. My music taste is so weird that
    although I am into metal, my favorite band is The Cure. Here is
    my list:
              1.The Cure
              2.Testament
              3.Overkill
              4.Metal Church
              5.Sepultura

    I also love Flotsam and Jetsam, Type O Negative, Exodus, and,
    of course, DREAM THEATER.
                                  JonBoy

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:57:44 +0000
    From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
    To: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
    Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Other Groups/Blind Suckus/DT NYC Shows/To Mike B./USPS
    Message-ID: <199510171305.JAA08427@shell.monmouth.com>

    > lads and lasses), why can't the USPS get on the ball for a
    > few packages? *arrghhh* I think we all should quit our jobs
    > and apply at the Post Office. When those in school graduate,
    > we can hire them too and promote everybody (hell, it works
    > like that in Corporate America). Our collective IQ, I'm sure,
    > is a lot higher than theirs.
    >
    What do you expect for 32 cents per letter?

    Mainly a good reason is because there are so many packages that come
    through the USPS. I work for the USPS in the West Windsor (NJ)
    remote encoding center and I can tell you that a good amount of time
    is dealt with mail from people who don't address mail correctly,
    don't write legibly, or don't use the ZIP+4 which is used to speed up
    mail sorting, etc.

    Don't you EVER insult my IQ. Of course I'm pissed off. I'm sorry I
    don't encode the mail any faster for it to please you, but I encode
    an average of 1500 mailpieces per hour at over 12850 keystrokes
    per hour. You probably couldn't even get that high. No one I
    work with has gotten a faster speed than that.

    rq

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:17:48 -0400
    From: steadle@usaor.net (Eric Lee Steadle)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Mary's voice
    Message-ID: <m0t5Bs7-0007YEC@gate.usaor.net>

    Sorry if this is a little out of date, or someone responded already...

    >Nothing a pitch shifter couldn't fix (which, incidentally, is how some
    >people think Mary got her singing voice: Geoff Tate's voice,
    >pitch altered).

    When I attended the MindCrime tour (really the Empire tour) I got a seat
    right next to the sound board. A woman was sitting on the platform with
    the sound techs. She looked familiar to me but I couldn't place her. I
    kept looking at her hoping something would click ... but it didn't.

    Then about halfway through the show (needle lies?) I looked over and she
    was gone.

    Then when they did Mary, it came to me. The screens showed video
    of this woman singing the duet with Jeff. It was obviously live video and
    she was singing. It was most certainly Mary.

    I read an interview with Scott about this much later and in that interview
    he confirmed that it was indeed Mary. She toured with the band. Her real
    name was mentioned but I don't remember what it was.

    So Jeff's voice wasn't pitch altered. It was a real woman.

    BTW - I went super-prompt-critical when I first heard the subject part
    (what are you doing?) because I thought it sounded exactly like Mary.
    It's not, but it's still neat...
      ^^^^^^^ I think you like that computer more than you like me.
      | | Not true, Liz. I do not like that computer more than you.
      | | {Please, please don't ask about the laptop.}
      ()___ | 'That' computer?
     (_ )|
      | | My laptop is messed up. Can you help?
      |_____\ Remember, you have to hold it upside down and shake it to reboot.
    ^ #------\ Oh, that's right.
    | | ____\ I wonder if he'll ever figure out that we gave him an Etch-a-Sketch.
    (_J / /|
      | /___/ | At this point it, all it does is erase your drive.
      | / / | Unless you're on a network. Then it erases everybody's drive.
      ~~~~~~~~~ If you have a modem it calls your friends and erases their drives.
                If you have a Sound Card it curses at you.

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:39:48 +0600
    From: dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: drummer vs. guitar
    Message-ID: <m0t5CDL-00008yC@donews.cts.com>

    Martin

    >the thing is,
    >drummers aren't provided with an "easy way out"
    > in transcription books, so we have to work it out for ourselves by
    >listening and watching, and that is much harder than simply learning the
    >tab for JP's guitar parts. This conclusively proves that drummers are
    >better than guitarists!

    I guess this means that bassists are by far the better of the group. Sorry
    Martin, I didn't mean to piss on your Cheerios...

    Brian

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:02:00 -500 (EST)
    From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: YTSEJAM pronunciation
    Message-ID: <3083B78D.B99D.01AA.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>

    I always pronounce it: "it's a jam"

    .$.02

    Dan Temmesfeld
    s1133627@cedarville.edu

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:10:01 GMT
    From: aurora@wirehub.nl (Jan van Huizen)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: My favourite bands
    Message-ID: <199510171610.QAA26122@nec1.wirehub.nl>

    Hi all,

    I just couldn't resist in mailing my five favourite bands. Here they are:
    (in no perticular order)

    Queensryche
    Rush
    Fates Warning
    Psychotic Waltz (doesn't anyone like these guys ? I think they rule !)
    Cynic (RIP, I got some news on these guys)

    Well, I guess the great Cynic has died :(. The guys will continue under
    the name of PORTAL, and a female singer has been added. The band
    will also get rid of the death grunt (at last !) and it won't be as metal as
    it used to be. I read somewhere that their demo sounded like Sinead
    O'Connor, so I guess Cynic is really dead !

    What a sad mail, sorry for the lack of DT stuff.

    By the way, I also like Watchtower, Savatage, Marillion (at least their
    first few albums), Kansas, Saga, Counting Crows.......

    Does anyone know what happened to the guys from Watchtower ?

    I guess this is goodbye.....parting is such sweet sorrow....

    See ya all,

    (---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -----------------------------------------------------)
    " Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep
    and at odds with our senses we'll climb
    But if faith is the answer, we're already reached it
    and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time "

    Kevin Moore, 1989

    ----[ The Silent Man ]-----
             
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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:28:35 EST
    From: haiders@kenyon.edu
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: RE: guitar setups
    Message-ID: <0099800C.2932FA60.171@kenyon.edu>

    Brandon--

            Nice thread you're trying to start. This could be interesting and
    enlightening.

            I am a bassist, so here goes:

    Carvin LB76 6-string bass (active electronics)
    Carvin LB74 4-string (active and around 5 years old)

    Carvin ProBass 500 watt head (again, 4 yrs. old)
    Hartke XL410 (no tweeter) 4 x 10" cabinet
    Hartke XL215 2 x 15" cabinet

    Nade 201XL wireless system

    That's it pretty simple, really. The head gives me a lot of different tones,
    but you have to work at it to get them. The cabinets are great, but I almost
    have to use them together. The four 10 distorts with too many low frequencies
    at higher volumes and the two 15 has no top end at all.

    Sean Haider
    bassist, INTROSPECTION

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:46:45 -0400
    From: ahtrap@umich.edu
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: 5 top bands?

    ..other than DT?
    1) RUSH
    2) Queensryche
    3) echolyn
    4) Scorpions (yeah, the Scorps...it's that german thing)
    5) Deep Purple/ Yes ...depends on the day, time, etc...
                            Partha Mukhopadhyay

    "...too many Star Trekkers boldly going to the
    same old star" --echolyn (Suite for Everyman)

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:14:11 +0700
    From: bjgateno@students.wisc.edu (Benjamin Gateno)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Favorites/Blind Melon
    Message-ID: <v02110100aca8db2c1b1b@[144.92.184.24]>

    I don't have the article here with me, but I vivdly remeber Blind Melon
    bashing Dream Theater. For those of you that are familiar with Guitar for
    the Practicing Musician, it was in the column titled "In the Listening
    Room." GFTPM played them Pull Me Under and they totally hated it. Some of
    the comments I remember was "These guys have big hair," "The guitarist has
    a rig with a million lights on it when he plays," and "that playing is just
    plain stupid." They also went on to bash Satraini. The song "Always With
    Me" or something like that, they said it sounded like the theme from
    Baywatch. They said some other nasty things too, which I can't remember.

    As or my favorite bands/guitarists in no particular order (except for
    number 1 on both lists):

    1. Van Halen
    2. Queensrych
    3. Dada (ever hear of those guys?)
    4. Eric Johnson
    5. Steve Vai
    6. Dream Theater, even though the list was supposed to be our other favorites.

    1. Eddie Van Halen
    2. Eric Johnson/Stevie Ray Vaughn (the Austin, Texas bunch)
    3. John Petrucci
    4. Steve Vai
    5. Eric Clapton
    6. A host of others

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:09:56 +0100 (BST)
    From: Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: An apology
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951017170229.19092B-100000@altair.herts.ac.uk>

    OK, sorry to all those guitarists (and anyone else) who I offended and
    insulted with my message dated 16/10/94. I apologise profusely and
    unashamedly. I have recieved comments about this message, and have taken
    note of these comments. It was crudely written, although it was meant as
    a light-hearted comment. Rest assured, I shall not be writing anything so
    mind-bogglingly stupid and cretinous again.

    I'm off to chew on my own shame...

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 10:39:01 -0700
    From: C. Moyer <thalamo@u.washington.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Seattle dinner thing
    Message-ID: <9510171739.AA23367@saul1.u.washington.edu>

    What's this I hear about a seattle jammer dinner thing? I'd be interested,
    if only to find copies of stuff I don't have...I want WDADU and every bootleg
    I can scrounge. If I misunderstood something please ignore this post, but
    if there's anyone in seattle who'd be willing to hook me up let me know :)

    Jasper, Psychedelic Nomad Extraordinaire
    thalamo@u.washington.edu

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:54:59 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Dan Kidney <dkidney@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: 5ive fave non-DT bands
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951017125130.123516A-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>

    You know, like the Jackson 5ive cartoon? Oh well. ANYWAY, here are my
    favorite five bands other than DT, in no particular order:

    King's X
    The Cure
    Death
    Fear Factory
    Meshuggah

    well there you have it. hope you like it.
    It's been interesting to see some of the other faves. SAVIOUR MACHINE!?!
    What the heck! someone else has heard of them. whatever happened to
    them after their first album? oh well. Got to go--keep jammin'.

                                                    --Dan

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:02:19 -0400
    From: AirDance@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: ACOS, Kevin Moore
    Message-ID: <951017140217_74886930@mail02.mail.aol.com>

    One moore <G> thing,

    On Tuesday, October 17th, Tor Houghton (SysAdmin) <torh@celtic.co.uk> asked:

    "That said, and I know it wasn't much, probably just mindless drivel, I'd
    like to know what Kevin Moore is doing at the moment. He has done some
    awesome lyrics for DT in the past, so I was wondering if he was up to
    something. Does anyone know?"

    Yes. Here's the Basic Kevin Moore Update for you:

    Yes, Kevin has moved to Los Angeles permanently now after living in New
    Mexico for a year.

    Yes, Kevin has a crewcut now. No, I'm NOT kidding, I've seen it! :) He's
    wearing little John Lennonesque glasses too! 8)

    Yes, Kevin recorded several demos w/guitarist Rich Kern, but they aren't
    working together anymore. (Last word was that Rich was moving to Seattle.)

    No, Kevin doesn't have a record deal yet. Consequently, no, Kevin doesn't
    have a CD coming out anytime soon. ;)

    Yes, Kevin is still being managed by Round Table (DT's management), so any
    autograph or fan club queries should be directed towards them.

    Yes, Kevin is working w/Mark Zonder of Fates Warning on his new demos and
    they have three songs completed so far.

    No, Kevin has not joined Fates Warning, Mark is just playing drums on his
    demos to give them a more professional sound. :) (I knew you were going to
    ask that question. :)

    Yes, Kevin sings all the lead vocals on his demos, and is playing bass/keys
    as well.

    Yes, there is a KM demo dubbing project in operation on this mailing list and
    if you want more information, just e-mail me.

    Take care everyone,

    Jennifer
    <airdance@aol.com>
    Vicky Pratt Keating tour dates:
    Oct. 18 - Virginia Western College (11:30am) - Roanoke, VA
    Oct. 20 - NACA (upper Midwest showcase - Mainstage) - Cedar Rapids, IA
    Oct. 25 - Kendall Cafe (9pm) - Boston, MA

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:02:16 -0400
    From: AirDance@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Kevin Moore/Tori Amos
    Message-ID: <951017140215_74886919@emout05.mail.aol.com>

    Hey jammers,

    On Monday, October 16th, Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
    asked:

    "I was wondering what the connection is between Tori Amos and Kevin Moore.

    Why are there 2 Tori Amos songs on Kevin's Demos? What is the reasons behind
    why they are on there? Can anyone give details?"

    Kevin's a big Tori fan, so he just sampled her voice from "Song For Eric" and
    used it on a couple of songs. The entire explanation of how this came about
    is _really_ long & convoluted, and it may annoy some people on the list to
    see it posted here yet again (including me <G>), so if anyone's _really_
    interested in hearing it, just e-mail me & I'll forward it to you privately.

    But no, if anyone was wondering, Kevin & Tori have never met or worked
    together or anything like that, but Tori has heard Kevin's rendition of "Song
    For Eric" and she loves it. :)

    "My girlfriend is a big Tori Amos fan and had never heard Song For Eric.
    Hence she has stolen my Kevin Moore demos!!!!!

    I shall have to steal them back."

    Good for her!! <G>

    Awwww, be nice & just let her have the tape. :^)

    Take care everyone,

    Jennifer
    <airdance@aol.com>
    Vicky Pratt Keating tour dates:
    Oct. 18 - Virginia Western College (11:30am) - Roanoke, VA
    Oct. 20 - NACA (upper Midwest showcase - Mainstage) - Cedar Rapids, IA
    Oct. 25 - Kendall Cafe (9pm) - Boston, MA

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:17:20 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Frank Marotta <fmarot01@barney.poly.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1039
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951017141254.1007B-100000@barney>

            FFFFF U U CCC K K
            F U U C C K K
            FFF U U C KK
            F U U C C K K
            F UUU CCC K K BLIND (AND DEAF) MELLON

                      
                               THANK YOU.

                                         FRANK

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    Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:54:00 -500 (EST)
    From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: fav bands (Wietze) *NDTC*
    Message-ID: <3083FC1B.B99D.00BE.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>

    >Maybe you should give the KJ album another listen.

    Maybe...

    >At first I didn't like it much either, but it grew on me and now
    >it's one of my favorite albums. BTW, what's wrong with 80's metal?

    Well I won't go into detail, but bands in the Christian realm of 80s
    metal like Stryper (who I actually like to some extent), Barren
    Cross, Whitecross, Bloodgood, etc really get on my nerves nowadays.
    It was so cheesy!!! I guess it kinda fit in with Poison, Warrant,
    Winger, Motley Crue, AC/DC, etc of the "mainstream" side of that
    genre...

    >Besides, there's some 90's influence in there too.

    I didn't hear much...It had Rex Carrol's guitar (one of the only good
    parts of the album) which on some songs sounded sooooo 80s. Jimi
    Bennet's vocals got on my nerves, but that's just my opinion. And
    Rob and Tim are still stuck in the 80's...check out Oz and Tim's new
    band SIN DIZZY, it's totally 80s rock...they're around the San
    Bernardino area now (that's where I used to live...FYI)...

    >...remember an 80's speed band called Realm?

    No, actually, I've never heard of them...

    >Wietze.

    >P.S. Do you have a lot of Christian metal?

    Yes, I have all of Tourniquet, Deliverance, Stryper, Believer,
    Betrayal, Saviour Machine (great prog-art rock), Enslaved (not the
    one from Norway), Bride (not really metal), Precious Death (GC and KX
    influenced!!!), and Detritus...plus many other bands...

    Dan Temmesfeld
    s1133627@cedarville.edu

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