YTSEJAM Digest 1061
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Another Day
by Vizzini <grc8@columbia.edu>
2) Re: US WOOOOOO!!!!
by Erotomania@aol.com
3) Type-O
by mjl192@psu.edu (Michael J Lello)
4) Subscription?!
by GMSking@aol.com
5) Subscription?!
by GMSking@aol.com
6) Ytsejam get-together at the Malibu
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
7) subscribe
by "I can't be held responsible for people taking me seriously."
8) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1056
by "bleb, bleb bleb" <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
9) Re: Geoff Downes
by Paul Gregory Humm <p-humm@students.uiuc.edu>
10) ACOS TAB Project -- Last Call
by Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
11) Re: who invented punk
by "cam (c.s.) wilson" <camw@bnr.ca>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1024 (Queensryche/Rush)
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
13) Re: Mike Bahr's source for AD
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1025
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
15) Names & Chris Oliva minor DT
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
16) DT and SAGA tour dates
by andy_seyler@smtplink.penril.com
17) RE: Extreme treatment
by P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
18) most influential albums
by WildKoba@aol.com
19) Re: Oh Lord../Bonus Chasing Time Track[s]
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
20)
by E. Waldron <EWALDRON@RGSPS.WPO.UKANS.EDU>
21) stuff
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
22) Re: whaoh....
by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
23) DT and Christianity
by "Randall W. Aquino" <aquinor@pacificu.edu>
24) Do yourself a favor - Listen to WDADU!
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
25) See you in a bit....
by Johnny@motown.ge.com
26) RE: My Favourites
by P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
27) chris duarte group
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
28) situation puzzles
by Eiji Hirai <eiji@netmarket.com>
29) Favorite epic songs???...(and death of my .sig)
by fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vizzini <grc8@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Another Day
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951020123858.13779C-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
>> 2. Why do so many people hate Another Day? That is one of my favorite
>> DT songs.
> Well, hate is way too strong here. We are simply listing our least
> FAVORITE DT songs. That should imply that we still like them. For
<Excess Stuff deleted>
> leaves me with nothing. Just an opinion. Maybe you could explain
> why you like it (is it the lyrics, cause if so, I don't pay too much
> attention to lyrics - not until I've decided I like the music
> anyway).
To tell you the truth, "Another Day" was the first DT song I had listened
to, and it struck me as one with deep lyrics and LOT of feeling. JP's
guitar solo really blew me away. I'd suggest reading some of the lyrics
for this song, because Dream Theater is excellent in all aspects of their
work (music, lyrics, etc.). Gets you thinking, doncha think? :)
Greg :)
/\ /~~~~~~~/~\ "I know EXACTLY where the poison is! It's -- My, what
|#\___/ | | in the world could that be ?? (chuckle, chuckle)"
|#|===| | | "INCONCEIVABLE!!!!" -- Vizzini
|#/~~~\ | |
\/ \_______\#/######## Gregory Chew -- grc8@columbia.edu :) :) :) :)
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:12:02 -0400
From: Erotomania@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: US WOOOOOO!!!!
Message-ID: <951020131151_49653550@mail06.mail.aol.com>
oh, and by the way...about "Rockers:"
I'm suprised ray even played that.
I used to work with him too.
-hairball
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:22:42 -0400
From: mjl192@psu.edu (Michael J Lello)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Type-O
Message-ID: <199510201722.NAA31620@r02n08.cac.psu.edu>
I saw Queensr=FFche on the PL tour, and Type O Negative opened for them. =
The
music was half-decent at best, in my opinon. They were all dressed in
black, their instruments were totallky spraypainted black down to the
drumsticks, and it seemed really gay.
The thing that pissed me off was the message put forth by the lead "singer":
"This is a song I wrote with Kurt Cobain, who committed the ultimate act of
heroism by killing himself." I instantly thought, why don't you be a hero
too, and kill yourself?
After their set, they said "Thanks, you can go home now." That really got
me fuming, considering if it wasn't for Queensryche they'd be playing crappy
dives for spare change like they were in the winter/spring '94. Tha really
alienated me from a band I was open to possibly like, if you know what I=
mean.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:36:29 -0400
From: GMSking@aol.com
To: Ytse@aol.com, Jam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: GMSking@aol.com
Subject: Subscription?!
Message-ID: <951020133627_75937759@emout05.mail.aol.com>
How can I subscribe to this group? Please Email me instructions
for the subscription procedures.
Thank You
GMSking
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:38:37 -0400
From: GMSking@aol.com
To: Ytse@aol.com, Jam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Subscription?!
Message-ID: <951020133836_75938315@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Hpw can I subscribe for Ytse Jam group? Please Email
the instructions for the subscription procedures!
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Ytsejam get-together at the Malibu
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951020134527.24939D-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Anyone here going to the Malibu on the 28th? (duh, don't
answer that question!). Anyone want to meet before the show to hang or
something? That'd be really cool! We'll all wear our ytsejam shirts and
have a Dream Theater posse (cool!). Well, lemme know! TTYL!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
"You are sunlight and I, moon Jeff Chew is:
joined by the gods of fortune jc309@columbia.edu
midnight and high noon http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309
sharing the sky
we have been blessed, you and I" <--- Kim from Miss Saigon
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:57:27 EST
From: "I can't be held responsible for people taking me seriously."
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: subscribe
Message-ID: <00998284.D6502180.95@bigvax.alfred.edu>
subscribe
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:02:51 EDT
From: "bleb, bleb bleb" <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1056
Message-ID: <00998285.9723D6E0.60@bigvax.alfred.edu>
In response to the Savatage questions:
-Criss Oliva died around the same time that Curt Kobain killed himself, I
believe Criss dies in Florida
-Jon Oliva is in "semi-retirement", as they put it. Savatage got a new
lead singer for the Edge of Thorns album, the one released before a
Handful of Rain. I believe that Jon Olive does keyboards, and I believe that
the new lead singers name is Zachary Stevens. but I am not sure about this.
david boland
ps-sorry if this is outdated or a repeat, I am FAR behind in reading my Ytsejams due to the Organic Chemistry class I am struggling through!
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:30:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Gregory Humm <p-humm@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Geoff Downes
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951020151555.221874A-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
> ------------------------------
>
> >> 5.) Geoff Downes - 10 points to anyone who knows who he is!!!
> <<
>
> Geoff was the Keyboardist for a band called ASIA
>
Don't forget his work with the Buggles, and with Yes on their
outstanding "Drama" album.
Paul Humm
p-humm@uiuc.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:29:17 CDT
From: Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACOS TAB Project -- Last Call
Message-ID: <9510202134.AA20966@anthor.arastar.com>
For anyone who may have missed the last two posts, if you are interested
in joining 7 other guitarists in transcribing ACOS, please let me know
as soon as possible. Assignments of the song have already been made,
but if you would like to participate, let me know.
Since the TAB book from Warner Bros. does not seem like it will happen,
this is one way of getting a fairly good transcription.
I will post updates periodically about the progress (and I mean
periodically, not every week). Thanks to all who have shown interest.
Brandon Vaughn
edleader@uwf.cc.uwf.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:06:00 -0400
From: "cam (c.s.) wilson" <camw@bnr.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: who invented punk
Message-ID: <"11827 Fri Oct 20 11:14:47 1995"@bnr.ca>
Neil Gallop wrote some really good stuff in his post about the relevance of
punk in the rock genre, and i heartily agree with many of his other points.
i think we should all be more tolerant of other genres, since we would all
like to be taken more seriously as DT fans than all those "other people".
i like the idea of listing our most influential albums form the last
20 years (tho' i'd made that 30 years). here's my .02 cents worth:
beatles - sargeant pepper's
floyd - dark side of the moon
zeppelin - IV
hendrix - are you experienced?
who - tommy
this was not easy; i could easily have listed as many albums of EACH
musician or band. and these are not necessarily my faves, but who i
objectively see as being the biggest ever. IMO.
later,
cam
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:56:52 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1024 (Queensryche/Rush)
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.951012005113.17534A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Zach,
I beg to differ!! 'Promised Land' is brilliant!!!! 'Hold Your Fire'
(Rush) just may be the best album of all time!!!!
I know opinions are like bungholes but I have never understood why so
many Rush fans rag on 'Hold Your Fire'! God, I love that album!
Here is everyone's homework assignment for the night: Listen (really
listen) to 'Hold Your Fire' with headphones and read along with the lyrics.
This will be one of the most powerful and enlightening experiences you
will ever have.... DO THIS NOW!!
Jay Peele
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:50:50 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr's source for AD
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.951012014831.17534C-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Geeze Mike,
Could you make us any more curious?
Hey everybody!! DON'T THINK OF A RED FIRE ENGINE!!!!!!! STOP IT NOW!!
:)
Jay Peele
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:35:51 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1025
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.951012012337.17534B-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Dee,
I liked your post. You and I discovered DT in 1989 the same way (by
looking in the credits of 'Perfect Symmetry').
Although I understand where you are coming from (I was also annoyed by
several idiots at the QR show who only responded to 'Silent Lucidity' and
'Empire'), I have seen other people who begin to like a band after
hearing the "popular" stuff and turn into true fans eventually.
The more the merrier (album sales help the band).
Anyway, I played the entire ACOS album (except for the Elton stuff) last
week on my radio show 'Abstract Images'. This is not a whimpy college
show with an audience of 5 geeks.... The show is broadcasted over the
preview guide (free radio on the T.V.). Everyone who has cable in
Jacksonville, FL and surrounding areas gets my music show every Thur. night.
Trey has heard my show (hey Trey, call me and request DT - It's your duty :)
Although I'd love to, i'm not allowed to play really heavy stuff (Slayer,
Fear Factory, etc.) but I do get away with a lot of my favorite stuff
such as QR, DT, FW, and INFERNO (shameless self promotion - but it seems
to work - i've sold many tapes this way).
-Until Later,
Jay Peele
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:10:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Names & Chris Oliva minor DT
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951020110348.25641A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Someone mentioned a while ago that there seemed to be a lot of Brians on
the 'jam, now I've noticed a lot of Seans. Not that its important, just
caught my attention.
To the person that asked about Chris Oliva, he was killed in a car crash
near Tampa while returning from the Livestock festival. I cant' remember
what the cause of the crash was but it might have been bad weather, don't
quote me on that.
What's this about Kevin Moore having cancer?! Is it really true?
TTFN- (Milwaukee) Sean
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:53:59 EST
From: andy_seyler@smtplink.penril.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT and SAGA tour dates
Message-ID: <9509208142.AA814216282@smtplink.penril.com>
I saw that SAGA is still touring and comments about DT in NJ
Does anyone have a tour listing for either band? I live in the
Washington DC area, but the Baltimore, MD, Richmond VA, Harrisburg-
Philly, PA areas are within driving distance. These cities are
my primary interests. Feel free to e-mail me direct.
thanks,
Andy
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:58:30 +0100
From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: Extreme treatment
Message-ID: <"3744*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>
> Waiting for the punchline... am I the only one?
I made a rather good tape out of this album by omitting most of
the vocals.
Patricia
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:16:59 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: most influential albums
Message-ID: <951020121658_128672480@mail04.mail.aol.com>
nice thread...thank you whoever that was.
in no order
dream theater- images and words. i think somehow this will be looked on as an
amazing album in 20 years or so.
floyd- dark side. a tad obvious
prince- purple rain. an amazing album
hendrix- axis. 10000 times better than "experienced?"
tori amos- under the pink. see the dt comment.
renaissance- scheherazade/other stories. most unknown band. 1st rock band to
play carnegie hall. strengthens the bond between rock and classaical that is
essentially prog rock.
frank zappa- you can't do that on stage vol. 2- along with its humor, the
best guitar playing by zappa.
queen- night at the opera. never again will anything be produced like that.
elp- brain salad surgery. brilliant
public enemy- fear of a black planet. i think one of the best rap albums of
all time.
rush- hemispheres.
new bands/albums that are way worth the listen:
asa nisi masa, gracie moon, screaming headless torsos, thought industry (not
NEW new, but worth it), new prince album, new satch, alanis (if you can get
past "you oughta know"), kevin moore demo.
peace, david
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Oh Lord../Bonus Chasing Time Track[s]
Message-ID: <8kVwuc600iVDQ5nJdP@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail.ytsejam: 20-Oct-95 Re: Oh Lord../Bonus Chasing.. by
Zack Gemmill@lsil.com
> For Pat, the bonus track is called "Circles."
> Parts of it came from two songs on IO, "The Strand"
> and... dammit! I can never remember the name of the
> other one. I don't have the liner notes handy, so
> I couldn't tell you. The Fates guys say that they
> find it hard to believe that they scrapped this
> one, and I happen to agree. It's a great song.
It's actually made up of "Shelter Me" and "Outside Looking In."
The bridge from outside looking in is a lot better in this song,
I think, because Ray does a cool harmony thing that's missing in Inside
Out...Circles also lacks some of the things that make Shelter Me one
of my least favorite Fates songs (those damned harps, for one thing.)
-Max
Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:25:37 -0600
From: E. Waldron <EWALDRON@RGSPS.WPO.UKANS.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <s0879560.086@POBOX.CC.UKANS.EDU>
i would like to say first off that the bastard that stole my tapes deserves
to die!!!!!!!
*secondly would any jammer out there be willing to take pity on me and dub
off WDADU and LATM for me, I'm afraid I can't afford to buy new ones.(i
will of course supply blank tapes and postage though).
last, to the guy who noticed "spoonman" in SINGLES, actually Chris Cornell
did a lot of the music for that movie. if you have ever seen the t-shirts
for the fictional band CITIZEN DICK, it lists a bunch of song titles on the
back. Cornell actually made all of those songs-they really exist, and you
can hear part of "touch me i'm dick" in the scene where Bridget Fonda is
dancing around in her kitchen. FYI
elise
ewaldron@rgsps.wpo.ukans.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <199510201730.NAA04405@rpc12.gl.umbc.edu>
>when someone comes up and asks, "May I help you?" Just be sure you look
>directly into their eyes when you answer with the above line.
>
>Or you could try the check-out counter:
>
>"Paper or plastic, sir?"
>"Actually, I think ay FOUNDITSA CAUDAP WIMAAAAAAYYYY!!"
I think I'm really gonna try that!
Bafu, your humor is always much appreciated by me.
As far as the ytsejam pronunciation is concerned, according to the way Mike
Portnoy pronounced it, it is "yeet-say-jam." Or, for anyone who is familiar
with the International Phonetic Alphabet that would be:
[`jit seI | dzaem]
Of course, this is just ASCII approximation of the actual IPA symbols.
Attn Bass and Key players in the Boston area: audition for B. Wherry! I
want to hear more stuff from this guy!
Brian: I'm still pissed off you moved to Boston instead of the Baltimore
area. Who says school's more important than a band? :)
I thought of some bass players that I neglected when I posted my list. One
is Pat Badger of Extreme. Boy, can he groove. Also underrated is Monty Colvin
of the Galactic Cowboys. Plus he's got all that cool orange hair and that
killer 8-string bass tone!
Well, I gotta go because I FOUNDITSA CAUDUP WITMAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite.
| __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right."
|__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU
|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have
Steve Zebrowski szebro1@gl.umbc.edu thought this was the worst..."
Joe Jackson, Hometown
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:30:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: whaoh....
Message-ID: <8kVxmSq00iWRE6kX1Z@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail.ytsejam: 20-Oct-95 whaoh.... by Matthew Sirois@uhura.cc.
> it 4:00am and it just occured to me that i don't know any women who listen
> to Dream Theater. i don't know any women that like King's X. i don't know
> any women that like Fates Warning. or Anacrusis. or Savatage. dear god,
> what kind of nightmare is this? how can this be true? oh, god, please make
> this stop... what's going on, help me, please it can't be true...
Considering how few men I know who like Fates Warning et al, it doesn't
surprise me that I know few women who do.
>
> hey... there aren't any women musicians in this genre either! what's going
> on? Rush, DT, FW, King's X, Ryche, Anacrusis, others... no women...
>
> can someone explain this?
> i need answers.
One time I was thinking about that. How come there are so few women in
talented bands? There are plenty in pop and alternative, but very few in
progressive rock or metal. Is it because women just aren't talented?
Then it occurred to me that at practically every classical concert I've
been to, 90% of the string section (and a good bit of the rest of the
orchestra) is female. Now, it's not like I've been to millions of
classical concerts, but this has always seemed to be the case. Anyone
else notice anything similar?
Not that this really explains anything...
-Max
Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Randall W. Aquino" <aquinor@pacificu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT and Christianity
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951020103626.23035B-100000@tabitha.pacificu.edu>
hello everyone,
Someone was inquiring about the use of Christian themes in Dream Theaters
songs, well I think this is a good thing. At least they aren't talking
about negative things that don't set a good example for people. Even if
DT aren't Christians I think it's cool that they talk about Christian
themes. Does anyone know if DT are Christians?
Randy
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:24:35 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Do yourself a favor - Listen to WDADU!
Message-ID: <9510201724.AA16297@pdx108.intel.com>
Ok, I've read a couple posts in the last couple days (ie, the last 20
jams ;) from people who said they couldn't really get into WDADU
because of CD's voice. I have to respond to this because this coincides
with a remarkable experience I had a couple days ago. Having a little
extra time on my hands while my fiance was at a night class, I stuck
in WDADU, cranked my stereo, and read the liner notes the whole way
through. There are some damn good songs on this disc!!
Before I go on, let me say I've followed the pattern that a lot of you
have in getting into Dream Theater: Bought I&W, then bought Awake,
then discovered the ytsejam, then found out about WDADU and picked
it up. I, too, was turned off by CD's voice, as well as the production
quality. But please, don't let this stop you from really listening
to this album! I regret that I've owned this disc for almost a year
now and almost never listened to it until recently.
The thing that struck me the most is how prevalent Kevin's keys are on
this album. I may be wrong, but I get the distinct impression that
Kevin was really enjoying himself during these early years. A couple
of the songs, especially _Only a Matter of Time_, almost strike me as
entire keyboard solos with guitar, drums, bass, and vocals thrown in.
Listening to WDADU makes me even more sad he's gone.
The lyrics are outstanding, too, from the cynical anger portrayed in
_Light Fuse and Get Away_ to the uplifting message of _Only a Matter
of Time_ (my two fav songs on the disc, btw). _The Ones Who Help to
Set the Sun_ is great, too. And who can forget the Ytsejam? I think
it's unfortunate that Dream Theater doesn't feel the necessity to play
these old songs live anymore. And with the departure of Kevin and a
new keyboardist that still needs to master the newer stuff, I doubt
we'll ever hear them again. There really are some classics on this
oldie but goodie.
So do yourself a favor and go stick this disc in your CD player right
now (What? there are some people out there who don't yet have _When
Dream and Day Unite_? Well go get it!). I'm glad I did.
Jim
"...And if Faith is the answer
then we've already reached it,
and if Spirit's a sign
then it's only a matter of time." - Kevin Moore.
P.S. Just say no to top 5 lists!
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:56:48 -0400
From: Johnny@motown.ge.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: See you in a bit....
Message-ID: <199510201756.NAA01596@cybertron.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
Hey, everybody!
I have to unsubscribe from the list for a bit. (starting a new job and
all, have to wait until I get my new account.)
Take care and I'll see you all soon!!!!!!!
Johnny
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:51:59 +0100
From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: My Favourites
Message-ID: <"3748*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>
Well, to celebrate getting up to date with the ytsejams, I thought
I would post my own favourites. It has been interesting to read
other peoples choices and to find new guitarist's names to follow
up on (and a new Savatage album - with Al Pitrelli - is he not one
of JP's influences ?).
My all time favourite band is : Queen
My all time favourite singer is: Freddie Mercury
(no-one mentioned him yet)
Current favourites:
Bands: DreamTheater
The Tea Party
Savatage
Walter Trout Band
Guitarist: Joe Satriani (I love EVERY note he plays)
Marc Bonilla
John Petrucci
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Walter Trout
Jimi Hendrix (I only had 4 bands so I can have 6
guitarists)
I also like Neil Schon, Steve Vai, Joe Perry, Michael Schenker
Singer: Freddie Mercury
George Michael
James Labrie - improves with every song.
Bass Player: John Myun - the musician I most admire in the
'repect' sense
Stu Hamm
Drummer Mike Portnoy
Roger Taylor
I obviously don't think too much about these instruments !
BTW. Virgin Radio is sponsoring Joe's UK tour, and advertising
him as 'The biggest secret in Rock - the guitarist the stars go to
see'.
Someone send a Dream Theater album to Richard Branson !
(OK - before you all ask - Richard Branson owns Virgin Radio,
Virgin Airlines, Virgin Records, Virgin Record Shops - there's a
new 3 story one in San Fransisco)
Patricia
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:02:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: chris duarte group
Message-ID: <199510201902.OAA21404@tam2000.tamu.edu>
i saw someone mention duarte last jam. i just have to say the guy is
phenomenal. he even has a **seven** string bass player. i had never in
my life seen a 7-string bass. also, frosty from soulhat is now playing
drums with him. frosty looks about 60 or 65 years old, but he is one of
the best drummers i have ever seen.
if you go to see duarte, keep in mind that the band allows taping, and will
even let you plug directly into the board. so if you dont have a walkman
or whatever, just rip your tape deck out of your rack, and take it with you :)
i have taped a few shows on DAT off the soundboard if anyone wants copies..
btw, duarte is alot like stevie ray vaughan, he is even based out of austin.
he is nowhere near as good as srv yet, but he has tons of pontential...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Brian V. Cox~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I built a wall around my garden Rush
When people started telling me what to grow, Dream Theater
It's cold and callous and throws a heavy shadow, King's X
Over the field I choose to call my own Queensryche
I hate the wall and its selfish display echolyn
My garden becoming sterile in its pretentiousness, Fates Warning
My direction lost in shallow righteousness Tori Amos
There's something wrong with this... DAT Taper/Trader...
Suffocating the bloom...and every blossom" -echolyn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~lerxst@tamu.edu~~~~~~~http://http.tamu.edu/~bvc8995~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:16:33 -0400
From: Eiji Hirai <eiji@netmarket.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: situation puzzles
Message-ID: <199510201916.PAA06086@tannis.netmarket.com>
: You walk into a room to find only a dead man, shot through the
: head, a table, and fifty-three bicycles on the floor. What happened?
This is sort of off-topic but if you want a canonical list of these
"situation puzzles," look at:
http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/situation.html
The fifty-three bicycles story is sort of a standard one from the list.
-- Eiji Hirai eiji@netmarket.com"I post, therefore I am." -Rene Descartes on Usenet
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:23:22 -0700 From: fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Favorite epic songs???...(and death of my .sig) Message-ID: <199510201923.MAA20646@ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Hey Jammers, Seeing that the "Top 5 band poll" is nearing its extiction, how about starting a new one based on people's favorite epic songs? God knows that these are usually the songs which cause the airbags to accidentally inflate due to excessive drumming on the steering wheel and dashboard...:-) <<<and causes me to totally disregard my radar detector which of course pin-points that sneaky little Nassau County trooper behind the hedges just waiting to suck four points off my license!!>>> ---I owe that beauty to "Phantom of the Opera" by Iron Maiden.
Anyhow, I know that there are probably hundreds of them..especially when the likes of Rush, ELP, and Yes are combined. But why the hell not? I am VERY proud in saying that epic songs are pretty much a staple of progressive music. I'd just love to see a 20-minute song with numerous time changes by Snoop Doggy Dog or Hole.....they probably couldn't even create an interesting TV jingle.
Oh well, is it another stupid poll....ma che catz? Its 2:15 a.m. and I'm bored and waiting IMPATIENTLY to see DT at Malibu in two months......I need to see a live show soon....(Where in the hell is King Diamond??)
Enough insomniatic ramblings....here are my fav epics, "Ivory Gate of Dreams" -Fates Warning (hint: check out my .SIG) "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" -Iron Maiden "A Change of Seasons" -DT "Halloween" -Helloween "The Chalice Vermillion" -Thought Industry "The Oath" -Mercyful Fate "2112" -Rush "The Glory of Achilles" -Manowar "Among the Gods" -Conception "Storms and Mutiny" -Magellan
Cheers, Carlo
P.S. Since I have received mail from a fellow "jammer" saying that my .SIG is too long and that its not proper "netiquette" to have one as big as mine..this is the last post that I will include it on (which pisses me off since cause I LOVE Fates Warning and wanted to create a fitting tribute, plus it took me an hour to create!)...however, the last thing I need now is enemies and I don't want to be considered a space hog. Maybe my next one will be on Maiden or the 'Tage..
(funeral procession begins as bagpipes play in misty rain) :-(
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