YTSEJAM Digest 1094
Today's Topics:
1) Re: NINE INCH NAILS
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
2) Re: Band-album-song thread
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
3) Re: So Jeremey doesn't like James...
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
4) YTSEJAM digest 1086
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
5) Inane banter
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
6) YTSEJAM digest 1090
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
7) Re: AD
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1086
by ddinish@acad.udallas.edu (David Michael Dinishak)
9) Sorting ytsejam mail
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Re: Shadow Gallery
by Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU>
11) Japan shows
by Check out my nub! <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
12) Subconcious?
by Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
13) Re: WDADU
by ddinish@acad.udallas.edu (David Michael Dinishak)
14) Re: Subject Lines on the jam
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
15) omar khan and mike bahr
by WildKoba@aol.com
16) Led Zep's got Stairway, DT has ???
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
17) Defining songs.......
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
18) something else....
by WildKoba@aol.com
19) Re: Zach doesn't like Jeremey
by eiagm@eznet.net
20) CT show
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
21) Mike Bahr is the shit!!!
by Fernando Ma <ma@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
22) Re: NIN
by Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com>
23) Some general observations
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
24) Attention Any FL,GA jammers
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
25) The dude who wanted to trade.
by bjgateno@students.wisc.edu (Benjamin Gateno)
26) philosophical musings
by mjnewb@MO.NET (Monty Newberry)
27) OPERATION: REVOLUTION
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:32:45 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: NINE INCH NAILS
Message-ID: <199510301540.KAA03861@shell.monmouth.com>
>
> Would people please STOP the NIN discussion? Last I checked this was a Dream
> Theater list. Furthermore, there's a (very active) alt.music.nin newsgroup,
> take this crap there!
I can just see it now on alt.music.nin.....
"Would people please STOP the DT discussion? Last I checked this was
a 9" Nails list. Futhermore, there's a (very active)
alt.music.dream-theater newsgroup, take this crap there!"
:)
>
> I think NIN suck. I don't want to read about them. I don't want to read
> that they suck either. And don't bother replying to that comment, because no
> matter what you say, I'll still think they suck, period. I don't want
> to read anything about them at all. I want to read about Dream Theater.
>
Then do what you have the power to do.... Don't read it.
I'm not interested in it either and I don't read them. But other
people are. This is a 'jam to talk about DT. These people are
having a discussion on 9"N *and* DT.
> Come on people, if you're going to talk about other bands that's fine, but
> at LEAST discuss prog-rock/metal bands, bands that many YtseJammers
> might be interested in knowing about (for example, IVANHOE). And if you must
> talk about NIN, I wish people would at least stick to USELESS information,
> and not start arguments about them just for the hell of this.
>
>
If it were useless information, would it be worthwhile to talk about
it?
rq
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:34:49 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Band-album-song thread
Message-ID: <199510301542.KAA03904@shell.monmouth.com>
> Hi all,
> I know it's a bit late for this, but I've thought of another one
> for the band-album-song thread: Deliverance with "Deliverance" on
> Deliverance :)
>
> Wietze.
Please, don't start this thread again. All I need is 100 new mail
pieces in my new mail folder when I login each day.
Thanx....
rq
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:40:05 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: So Jeremey doesn't like James...
Message-ID: <199510301547.KAA04044@shell.monmouth.com>
> > Notice anyone missing? Vocalists. How can I have a list without James
> > LaBrie, you ask? Well, I've used this poll to demonstrate how wierd I
> > must be: I don't like James that much.
> >
> > Gasp! How can it be? I say we kill him now!
> >
> > While James has his moments, a lot of times he sounds like he's trying
> > to have that Heavy Metal Sound (tm)) and just has to scream. But this is
> > more a live problem. In the studio, it seems to be a combination
> > of the melodies he has to sing (they seem to hang around the same note
> > way too much) and something which seems like he is on the verge of slipping
> > out of tune.
Zach, then replied with......
>
> Dude, do us all a favor and unsubscribe. This free-thinking
> crap will not be tolerated on the 'jam.
>
Zach, I'm with you.
Everyone please stop talking about DT and making fun of other
people!!! The y'jam doesn't need free-thinking!! It's too creative
and dangerous. Next thing you know, people will start making up
their own minds and having their own opinions. This will just lead
to chaos and lots of posts about how people feel about DT.
:)
Lighten up, Zack....... "let the light surround you...."
rq
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Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:08:10 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1086
Message-ID: <199510301615.AA05852@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 10/28/95 16:02
This isn't a direct nin/DT comparison, BUT I will pull on this thread:lyrics
v. music. I think 6-7 months ago there was talk about what we listened for in
a band. I think the words (or the message) is very important to the song, but
the music is what delivers the message. I would guess most would listen to a
band with"good" music though the lyrics were terrible. But switch that around,
and you'd lose poeple. My point is if the music sucked and the lyrics were
what drew you, why not just read the liner notes as if it were poetry? Being
an aural art, music seemingly takes priority over the words. I'm not into nin
at all, especially Trent's voice. The voice is a musical instrument, so the
singing is hard to ignore. How many bands really have different basic
messages? I like alot of the lyrical imagery DT uses, but the vehicle of their
music writing is what draws me to them. Bob Dylan wrote cool lyrics, but
musically he was average at best with inept singing skills.
So yes, the nin/DT comparison DOES fuel legitimate debate, but not along the
lines of "who's better." It is more about what the message is and how they get
it across. And debate doesn't mean there's a winner, just a conflict of
viewpoints. Seeing as how I kid friends who like nin (mainly because of
"Closer"), I think it's a healthy debate. After all, haven't we seen this list
rip on the alternative crowd? nin seems to be one of the biggest benefactors
of the "wave. " If you think you had reason to bash the genre, bring the
noise. "god, I hate that popular stuff while DT goes unrecognized." This is a
prime chance to explain why you keep saying that. DON'T SURPRESS THE
DISCUSSION!!!! It IS DT related!LATER-
Steve
BTW, I like the lyrical comparison going on. I never could understand Trent so
it's good to see the actual words. :)
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You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you
this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in
your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time"
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:13:14 GMT
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Inane banter
Message-ID: <9510301613.AA01442@speedwell.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Mike Bahr: Acoustic Dreams is a Dream Come True. Bloody amazing.
Big Edd: I've been sober since Sunday morning :)
Neil Gallop: make it a Tartan Special :)
The UK contingent: let's all go to Japan this week :)
Graham B.
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Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:32:10 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1090
Message-ID: <199510301649.AA19443@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 10/29/95 09:19
BAFU!!!! BAFU!!!! BAFU!!!!!!! If there wasn't so much profanity, I'd have
thought your Ytse Jam/Ying Yang dialouge was Mike Royko and Slats Grobnik!!
Very funny! LATER-
Steve
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You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you
this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in
your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time"
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:44:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: AD
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951030113832.2266A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
I finally got my copy of AD and I just want to say that it is amazing.
It's easily the highest quality boot I've ever heard. I really like Wait
for Sleep. They did a wonderfull job without keys. I love Bruce
Dickenson (and I highly recommend his new solo cd Balls to Picasso). The
new mixes of 6:00 and CiaW are interesting, too. I can hear the keys
better and it seems brighter. Big thanks to Mr. Bahr for doing such a
wonderfull job.
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:06:13 -0600 (CST)
From: ddinish@acad.udallas.edu (David Michael Dinishak)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1086
Message-ID: <9510301806.AA29579@acad.udallas.edu>
LISTEN YOU FUCKERS, STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS NIN SHIT AND BLIND MELON
CRAP AND START TALKING DREAM THEATER. THANKS.
:) DAVEGOD
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:15:52 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sorting ytsejam mail
Message-ID: <199510301915.LAA20399@netcom16.netcom.com>
If you are receiving mail through a Unix account... I have a .procmailrc
to sort all mail coming from YTSEJAM. e-mail me and I will send it to you.
It sorts all mail coming from a mailing list into a file...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:14:40 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951030141217.26228A-100000@zeus>
On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Kris Claerhout wrote:
> Has anyone heard Shadow Gallery? There last album 'Carved In Stone' really > starts where the last Dream Theater stops. Long epic songs and great > musicianship and no singer trying to sound as a metal singer. > > Just letting you all know there's more than Dream Theater. Dream Theater is > great, but not the only one. > > Kris > I have to completely agree. At some times, I even think that SG has more emotion and feeling than DT. And the singer is one of the best that I have ever heard. The last tune, "Ghostship", is a 20-minute epic, complete with a classical piano solo thrown right in the middle, but it totally fits. Check it out if you can find it. Later...
------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Ben Brizzell | "People started to walk the land, | | e-mail address: | Countries rose out of the sand, | | brizzb@sage.edu | Races came to separate, | | Individual Studies | And then they found the need to hate" | | Sage Junior College | - "Stardust" | | of Albany | by Anachronism | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:43:12 -0600 (CST) From: Check out my nub! <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Japan shows Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951030144140.19406E@eehpx7.cen.uiuc.edu>
Is there anyone out there who recorded the shows? Possibly on Minidisc? anyone willing to dub me a copy? either on tape or minidisc? I'll pay for postage and media. Let me know.
Ed
PS: Have you heard of Scheme? If so, HELP!!!
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ DT: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/dt/dt.htm ------------------------------------------ You walk into a room to find only a dead man, shot through the head, a table, and fifty-three bicycles on the floor. What happened? ------------------------------------------ - finger polzin@students.uiuc.edu - - for the answer - ------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:53:00 -0500 From: Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Subconcious? Message-ID: <v01520d00acbb04e66860@[157.252.65.110]>
Hey guys!
I know this is a REAL long-shot, but I'm interested in getting my hands on a copy of Mike Bahr's masterful Subconcious CD. No, not a copy like a dub, but the CD. Yes, I know these are sold out, but if there is anyone out there who has an extra copy they would like to get rid of, PLEASE e-mail me personally to discuss this. I *really* want this CD in my collecton. I listened to the entire NIN Downward Spiral for the first time last night and I must say, this never-ending NIN/DT thread IS like "comparing apples to goats," as one ytsejammer pointed out earlier. NIN is *very* well done stuff, but I'd much rather see a huge thread comparing the styles of DT/Yes or Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart. Just my 2 cents. Don't flame me or anything. Meeting place for the El 'n Gee get-together?? Later guys!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, old time is still a-flying; And this same flower that smiles today, tomorrow will be dying. --Robert Herrick
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:36:14 -0600 (CST) From: ddinish@acad.udallas.edu (David Michael Dinishak) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: WDADU Message-ID: <9510301836.AA20633@acad.udallas.edu>
Hey i just wanted to let all you jammers know that i found WDADU at my local Best Buy in Dallas. It is a new order because i have been shopping there for months and have not seen it before. Check out Best Buy before buying it anywhere else, they may be able to get it for you.
DAVEGOD
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Subject Lines on the jam Message-ID: <199510302149.VAA00550@fraser.sfu.ca>
> > Jodi wrote: > > >This is why we have subject lines: if you aren't interested in a subject > >(such as Savatage or Criss Oliva), skip that message. > > > >Just a little friendly advice to make your Ytsejam experience more > >enjoyable for both yourself and the rest of us. > > > >Jodi > > > > Um,, Did you notice what your subject line was? > > "Re: Ytsejam 1081" > > How are we supposed to tell what your message is > about if you are only going to be this specific? > > Not flaming you man, I just see this all the time yet > no one has mentioned this as a cure for the size of > these mailings we get everyday. A LOT of posts just > say "Re: Ytsejam ####" in the subject line, unless > you are responding to every single message in the > jam then get off your butt and type in a subject line > that tells us readers what you are writing about! > > I personally don't mind the size of the jam. I enjoy > reading the cool shit and sometimes the mindless > dribble is cool to. When I don't want to read something > I just skip over it. But I do have to say, I get annoyed > when people can't take the time (no pun intended) to > write a subject line. > > Just a thought! > > John
thank you! thank you! i've tried at least a couple of times in the past to persuade people to change their subject lines...but people just seem to ignore it...is it really taht hard people?
so once more: please, plese change your subject so that it is specific enough to reflect what you are saying in the boddy of your message.
tim (who's crossing his fingers that people will finally respond)
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:53:55 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: omar khan and mike bahr Message-ID: <951030165355_93458669@mail02.mail.aol.com>
i was wondering if there is or can be a connection made between the interpretations of mr. omar khan in "voices" (the religion discussion) and mr. mike bahr's (i'm getting antsy about ad, btw) interpretation of "silent man" (scheherazade). i have a hunch that something somehow can be linked together from the 2, but have no clue as to what they can be. any ideas would be very good, and can add some further fire to the debates about the meanings of dt's lyrics and may help us decide if "awake" is a concept album. i personally think it is, based on what i have read (will whoever has been woking on this please forward me the past jams where you have stated your "theorems?" thanks). whatever, but nonetheless, i thank you all.
david, the magical kobayashi
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:37:29 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Led Zep's got Stairway, DT has ??? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951030172543.7470B@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
I'm talking about signature song here, folks. When the run-of-the-mill music fan thinks of Zep, the first song that ususally comes to mind is Stairway to Heaven (of course, we on the jam immediately think of Rover/Achilles/SRtS)....Unfortunately, perhaps, there is no song that would identify DT to the Mass Public like Stairway for Zeppelin, (PMU comes the closest) so the question of the day is: What one song do you think represents DT best? Personal choice here is Metropolis, pt 1, for its multiple individual solo sections--showing the technical abilities of more than just the guitarist (Long live Kevin Moore!), unlike most run-of-the-mill bands, and the lyrics which require some pondering and the help of about 1000 friends to figure out. Plus, it comes in around 10 minutes, about the best length for DT songs (LTL, erotomania, voices, SCARRED, all go around the 9-11 minute mark....) Second choice: ACOS--too long for the #1 song....IMO of course
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:55:33 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Defining songs....... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951030172543.7470B-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
I've been SOOO busy, and now there are 46 unread Jams in the INbox! Anything interesting happen lately? (sorry, Steve Z, I couldn't resist...see my defining song D) below, and it'll tell you why I HAD to include the above
Adding on to an old thread here....... Seeing as how I'm the type that misuses my abilities, a pair of songs titled "Take the Time" fit me well...of course, there's A) the DT version, and also B) a version by the group "The Freddy Jones Band" <Hey, Minhaz, there's another one for your same name song list> Two other songs do me justice, both by extreme C) Am I ever Gonna Change D) Cynical Fuck, which contains this priceless lyric "If you can't take it with you, then what's the use? "I never saw a U-haul being pulled by a hearse"
A question about Extreme, if I may: Can anyone explain how they went from religious seeming lyrics (please tell me god isn't dead) on 3 Sides, to "There is no God" and "Evilangelist" on WftP?
ANd finally, a recommendation, the aforementioned Freddy Jones Band If you can tolerate a bit of Country Music, there are song great songs among the hillbilly (which I like at times) on the album "Waiting for the NIght"......Highlights include "In a Daydream" which got some rock radio airplay (where i first picked up on the band) and the song "Take the Time" which i mentioned above Apologies on the length Partha "Cynical Fuck" Mukhopadhyay
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:05:10 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: something else.... Message-ID: <951030180458_93526148@emout04.mail.aol.com>
to george bast; thanks a lot for the cpi story. i knew i wasn't imagining this. i called them to BEG them (i mean, i can see if one is 16, but i was hoping to pull some teeth for 20), and they lady there told me, "come see them next summer when they play here. you'll be 21 then." that would be nice if they actually go back and play.
something else i wanted to mention: i've heard a lot of buzz about the acos guitar tab project, and there's books to "i/w" and "awake", and i was wondering what i could do for keyboard scores? the transcription of the keyboard intro to 6:00 is not so very accurate. yes, i know john petrucci had a hand in writing out stuff, but i did hear someone mention that he wasn't even sure how to play that himself (came from someone who saw him at a recent clinic, i believe). well, i think it would be very good if we could get something going for key scores. i would like to start by saying that i have a score i transcribed peronally of "wait for sleep." it took me 6 hours to sit and listen to it, and i relaized that it's written a bit differently than in the i/w book. if anyone's interested in it, once i get it put on my computer, i can send it to someone to check out. but i hope we can get more key guys to take up this project. that would be good. thanks again. david, the magical kobayashi
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:20:34 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Zach doesn't like Jeremey Message-ID: <199510302146.QAA22747@mail1.eznet.net>
> Zach, > does you know what it means to be 'tolerant' ? > > ANDY
Andy, Do you know what it means to be 'sarcastic'?
And BTW, the NIN/DT topic is DAMN interesting to many of us. If a few of you do not find it interesting, that is fine, but why do you feel the need to tell everyone else what to discuss? It has DT content (uh, it's like, about nin AND DT, dude?), its interesting, people aren't flaming each other (if you don't count the people outside of the discussion trying to end it), and people actually have intelligent things to say about it. If you would prefer to talk about something else, start your own thread!
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"He who can copy, can do" - Leonardo Da Vinci
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:33:23 EST From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: CT show Message-ID: <9510302333.AA16257@ici.net>
Those of you who have tickets to the DT show in CT, can someone tell me how to get tickets? I remember someone posting the address (or something) awhile back, but it got lost in the shuffle.
I'd be *really* upset if I had to miss this. Thanx in advance for any help. Also, if anyone has directions to the club from out of state...
So I'm clueless.....sue me. :)
_________________________________________________________________________ /_________________Pat Sullivan__psull@ici.net_____________________________\ ||She turned for one last look []Poison, power. Driven by fury. || ||She looked me in the eye []Digital dictator, blackened expropriator. || ||I said "I love you.... []Deliver us from evil, save the people. || ||...goodbye." []Contagion of hatred must be eliminated. || ||-DT / "A Change of Seasons" []-Vicious Rumors / "Savior From Anger" || \_____________________________[]__________________________________________/
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:02:38 -0700 (MST) From: Fernando Ma <ma@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Mike Bahr is the shit!!! Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951030165614.7683C-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
I was just up in Chandler to visit some friends so I stopped by Mike's place. He is a really cool guy. He even let my friend look through his MTG cards (my experience is that you shouldn't really trust "perfect strangers" looking through your deck without keeping a hawk eye on the perpretator)! His place was stacked with all sorts of cool DT and hi-fi stuff...very impressive. Anyway, I got my AD up there and it is fantastic! Made me cry!! It was better than CATS :) It was #316 &317 and he was just about to ship them that day, so all of you around 300 should be getting yours soon. I still feel stupid about that damn number puzzle...I remember seeing it before but I forgot it.
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Date: 30 Oct 95 19:23:15 EST From: Erik Wolfe <71473.371@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: NIN Message-ID: <951031002314_71473.371_CHU38-3@CompuServe.COM>
I agree with Lars on this...
Keep all the alternative shit off this list, but perhaps delve into progressive stuff more, and how it compares to DT. Ie. Kansas, Yes, etc...
Let's get back to the heart of the matter...more DT please.
Erik
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:43:05 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Some general observations Message-ID: <199510310043.RAA08581@bud.indirect.com>
Hello again all...
Time for a list.
1. Now that I'm actually Out of Acoustic Dreams Cds, I totally authorize any and all non-profit copying of the contents to fans who didn't have a chance to get the CD. All I ask is that you not come to *me* for a cassette or DAT copy as I am hard at work on WDATU and Antiquities. :) Trey Allen has a good thing going with his Subconscious dub sites... my hedge bet is that half of them or more can do Acoustic Dreams as well.
2. There will be another list of orders and update and everything posted soon... tonight if I _can_, tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. Sorry about the delays... mid terms ya know.
3. Someone said the production on Acoustic Dreams is better than on WDADU??! Thanks! That's a mega compliment... after all, a real producer in a real studio did WDADU, and I just winged it with my rig here.
4. Why the last two songs on Acoustic Dreams (Voices and Bad) are not listed on the label. The quality of the last two isn't so hot, so I decided not to put them on the label so that you wouldn't think "aw gee, I paid for THESE?" and to effectively denote them "Bonus Tracks". They were really just afterthoughts that I put on there because they weren't going to fit in with any of my near-future CD themes, and I thought you'd all get a kick out of them.
5. Someone e-mailed me about a special thing that happened in their life with Acoustic Dreams, where a friend got it as soon as she recovered from a big-time illness. It was really special to hear about it and I'm always interested in things that happen to people where Dream Theater, my discs, or just prog rock in general are concerned. Some of us have been on this list for a couple years now (has it been that long??) and we know each other as well as if we lived down the block. That's a sense of community I don't see much of here on the big bad net. So if something COOL is happening in your life and you can link it to Dream Theater somehow, post it to the Jam! I'm sure everyone will appreciate hearing about it. After all, it isn't a poll, a post about BM or NIN, a flame, a complaint about the number of Jams, or another goddamn long-ass list from _me_. :)
6. There is no number six.
7. So far reservations for WDATU are steadily accumulating. I am sure this CD will be a particularly successful effort. I hope the sound is up to par... I've had it specially remastered this time (unlike AD, which was already good) from the soundboard originals, and a scant few audience tapes.
8. Point of interest. Mike Portnoy mentioned to me that they have only played Light Fuse and Get Away live TWICE with James as singer! Lucky us we found one of those. He wasn't kidding when he told me way back when that I'd have some searching to do. :)
9. Halloween is coming. For mood music, I recommend Rush's "The Necromancer", "By-Tor and the Snow Dog", and "La Villa Strangiato". Also Dokken's "Into The Fire", "Dream Warriors", and "Mr. Scary"; Type O Negative's entire catalogue; finally by our very own DT, "A Change of Seasons". (tell me does anything else _really_ fit by DT?)
10. Remember to write to mtvmail@aol.com tomorrow asking for Anybody Listening! It JUST MIGHT WORK. And if it dosen't... well, all you did was write an e-mail. How tough could it be?
Take it ez...
Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:52:57 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Attention Any FL,GA jammers Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951030194618.24864B-100000@serss1>
I've recently discovered that it would be financially possible for me to attend the December 29th show at Birch Hill, in Old Bridge, NJ.
A non Ytsejammer friend of mine might be interested in going as well. The key word is "might." If he can't go, I would need to find someone else to help split the cost.
I have a very comfortable, fuel-efficient vehicle at my disposal. I also have a place to stay at negligible cost.
If you're interested, PLEASE e-mail me directly at:ekim01@fiu.edu.
Don't let your fellow Ytsejammers down!
--<Elliott Kim>--<ekim01@fiu.edu>--<Florida International University>--
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:11:01 -0500 From: bjgateno@students.wisc.edu (Benjamin Gateno) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: The dude who wanted to trade. Message-ID: <v02110100acbb272822f5@[146.151.39.124]>
Hey, sorry to add to some of the clutter, but on the last jam, there was a dude who had just gotten Wake Up, and he was interested in trading. I sent you a message, bu tI got the address wrong and it was returned to me, and I don't have you're address. Mine is bjgateno@students.wisc.edu But while I'm here, the only boot I have is Dream Out Loud, so if anyone doesn't have that one, has something else from DT, and is willing to trade, send me a message. Ben
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:01:34 -0600 From: mjnewb@MO.NET (Monty Newberry) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: philosophical musings Message-ID: <199510310201.UAA11984@Walden.MO.NET>
Wow. It seems that while I was away, this list turned into a philosophy course. Cool! Really, I love the way we can take the lyrics and such of a band like DT (we're not the only list that has these discussions either. Some pretty deep threads have been going on on the U2 and King's X lists as well) and dig deep into the lyrics, beliefs, etc. and discuss what they mean and such. I find it fascinating. Keep it up, though don't get off the track (you know, as long as it pertains to DT in some way). Later. God bless.
Dale R. Newberry
"You say love is a temple. Love a higher law." -U2
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:17 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: OPERATION: REVOLUTION Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951030184106.27364B-100000@comp>
Greetings Ytsejammers,
Tomorrow (Halloween) is the big day for Operation: Revolution. To all of those who have been helping out with our efforts, thank you. Everyone else, please do your part to make this thing work and write MTV e-mail tomorrow... also call-in to the Most Wanted show tomorrow. The full details of Operation Revolution are below:
Thanks to all, Ed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ************************************************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------------
OPERATION: REVOLUTION --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give eMpTyV a piece of your mind!!
OPERATION: REVOLUTION is an e-mail campaign to let MTV know what we think!!
On Halloween Day (October 31, of course) we're joining together to protest the programming policies of MTV. Some of our beef includes:
- not enough ROCK videos (more generally--not enough of a genre mix) - too many gameshows - Cancellation of "HEADBANGERS BALL" - not enough ROCK videos
Let's e-mail our beef to MTV!!! Tell them what you'd like to see. Tell them what you don't like to see. Tell them why you channel-surf past MTV. Tell them why you watch MTV. But remember these things:
1) OPERATION: REVOLUTION is huge, and we must keep things legit to be taken seriously. Only one letter per person, please.
2) Profane, vulgar, or derogatory letters will only hurt our cause. We should keep our letters clean & specific.
On HALLOWEEN DAY, please join the rest of us and send your letters & requests for the return of Headbanger's Ball and/or ROCK videos to:
mtvmail@aol.com -or- feedback@mtv.com -or- mtvnews@mtv.com
Please send letters to only one of these addresses. (Refer to #1 above.)
The overall volume of mail is important. SPREAD THE WORD TO YOUR FRIENDS. If you can, get them to write in, too.
*** REMEMBER: Halloween is THE day for OPERATION: REVOLUTION ***
Let's make a real statement with this mailing campaign.
If you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me at hvaishn@emory.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The following is the calendar of planned events for OPERATION: REVOLUTION. I will eventually post this (on r.m.a.q) so we can follow along and add our support wherever and whenever necessary.
Old news: Once things get launched, a certain energy level MUST be maintained to give us a chance at success. Interest must be maintained. Don't let threads die. Keep up the HYPE! Pour your own energy into keeping a widespread, positive interest in having folks get on the bandwagon for O:R.
The goal is to get O:R to be news on the street, not just news on the net.
The more letters that MTV gets, the better!
* (10/26 or 10/27) and 10/30 - last reminder to newsgroups. ****reminder of everything (e-mail, "Most Wanted," recruitment of other people, radio involvement... Everything!)
* 10/31 - initiate coverage of AOL, Prodigy, & Compuserve groups. Absolutely last reminder to groups, if necessary. ****Spill my guts to MTV!
And hopefull all will go well. So lemme know what you think. If you would like to see copies of what I plan to use for each of the releases, please let me know. If you have any questions or confusion, please contact me right away.
MICK
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IN ADDITION to writing in on Halloween Day, OPERATION: REVOLUTION has grown to include a plan to bombard MTV's "Most Wanted" show with a radical request.
To signify the group where this benevolent movement started, (and for simplicity's sake), we have decided to call in to MTV en-masse and request one song: Queensryche's "Anybody Listening?"
This song was selected to send a message to eMpTyV. This song was selected because it isn't too new (and trendy), isn't too old (and overplayed), and it has a specific message. And again, in requesting this song, we honor the newsgroup where this grand movement started.
** When to do it? Call in on Halloween Day, starting around 6PM. ** *** the PHONE NUMBER: 1-800-DIAL-MTV *** ** The song to request: Queensryche's "Anybody Listening?" **
This call-in is NOT a replacement for the originally planned write-in. It IS a significant part of a one-two-punch combination.
**** Remember to write in on Halloween day!!! We WILL make a difference!
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JOIN THE REVOLUTION!
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