YTSEJAM Digest 1089
Today's Topics:
1) Voices (WARNING-- LONG)
by omkhan@vaxsar.vassar.edu (omar khan)
2) Goodies and New Threads.
by laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1081
by Nathan Dayspring <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
4) Your Smilies
by roland.theysohn@protel.de (Roland Theysohn)
5) Dream Theater " FAN CLUB "
by WarrenDW@aol.com
6) Replying to polls
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
7) Why no moderation (was Re: To many ytsejams)
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
8) Not a thing important here...
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
9) HOLY SHIT! CYGNUS ROCKS!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
10) neoclassical list (was Re: Message to Mr Bahr and some others)
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
11) Re: Marc Bonilla tape
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
12) DT on the 'Jam
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
13) New DT Song Book Location
by mkizer@indirect.com (Michael Kizer)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1080
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) Inspiration, weight, & myself
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
16) stuff
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
17) Bio
by jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: omkhan@vaxsar.vassar.edu (omar khan)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Voices (WARNING-- LONG)
Message-ID: <01HWZBUS51G2000CW8@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
first of all, thanks to the comments of inIquity vs inEquity. I was too
lazy to actually look the words up but I think that Portnoy has chosen an
interesting play on words.
with all the questions regargding Christianity and paganism on the 'jam, i
thought i might respond with a not- so- short analysis of Voices, perhaps
the most complex song, at least lyrically, that DT has produced to date.
Sorry if this has alreadty been done, but i only skim the monstrous 'jams
for stuff that seems interesting. And, oh yeah, this is going to be long;
after all, Voices is about 10 minutes and full of interesting lyrics.
First of all: the title. According to discussions by Socrates, he
supposedely had 'voices' in his head that would point him away from unwise
decisions and lead him to the proper course of action. This in itself seems
almost tangential, but when the "pagan" (as I think J. Garrett referred to)
influences of Cassandra and others come later in the song, it becomes less
irrelevant. Socrates was told by the Oracle at Delphi, the highest
religious functionary in the ancient Greek world, that he was the wisest
man in the world. But this was porblematic to Socrates. All he came to
realise was that he admitted what he didnt know, while many of the supposed
wise men claimed to know what they did not. This made him wiser than them.
At any rate, Socrates reportedely had voices or spirits that would guide
him along the most wise path. No judgments about this notion, please. It is
simply to introduce the breadth of Petrucci's knowledge, and an important
connection between the ancient and the new and the significance of the
voices in historical philosophy.
Throughout the song, it seems like Petrucci is trying to reconcile his mind
with the vast amounts of ideologies that have been impregnated in his head
since his education. Principally, there seem to be two voices,
corresponding to the "he" and the "she." First and foremost: Christianity.
Petrucci clearly knows his Christian doctrine, but it seems as if he cannot
reconcile himself with these views. Why on "Sunday morning?" He is in bed,
when he should be in church. In the beginning of the song, "'Love, just
dont stare' he use to say to me" seems to be a reference to the first and
early learned voice of Christianity during Sunday's Mass. But then we have
the more paganistic conceptions of the spider as a widow; perhaps this
reference of poision is when the spider/widow gives the poison to the old
man (you know, black widows are poisonous). This leads to "'So Speak, I'm
right here' she used to say to me, not a word, not a word." Clearly this is
the other voice, reflected by the she. She allows him to open up his soul
to her, but it is a one- way street; she will not say a word. If we want to
talk about a juxtaposition of paganistic/ Christian thinking, Petrucci is a
genius here. The 'she' refers to the pagan society, and the 'he' to the
Christian. Anceint cthonic societies were based on the mother goddess and
were more maternalistic while looking earthward rahter than heavenward. The
female side was "more important"-- thus the she. In Christianity, however,
we have a paternalistic society (all the prophets, God Himself being male)
wherein Eve created original sin. The imagery is quite mixed and confused
throughout the song, reflecting the narrator's (Petrucci?) own difficulty
in reconciling the irreconcilable and being able to live in society free of
these ideologies and at peace with himself. But the voices of the past keep
interrupting, and they wont go away.
"Judas on the ceiling, the Devil in my bed": This phrase is particularly
interesting, and although Kevin Moore is the Joyce fanatic, this fits in
well with Stephen Daedalus' problems in Portrait of an Artist. Despite his
halfhearted rejection of Christianity, that mindset and methodology of
thinking is the only one that our young narrator has at his disposal. So
when he cannot see salvation for himself through Christianity, he goes to
the opposite extreme. With the Christian education being particularly
strong, and with no true understanding of other ideologies, the narrator is
forced to put his life in the terms of that philosophy. So if he isnt
saved, he must be evil. Without any other philosophical tradition at his
disposal, he comes to see himself in league with Judas, the ultimate
betrayar (see also Joyce's Ulysses, chapter 3, entitled Proteus), or with
Lucifer the fallen angel of evil (cf Portait of an Artist, towards the
end). Yet he guesses "that Easter's never coming, so I'll just wait inside
my head." What is Easter in the Christian religion? Well, for our narrotor,
it is related to when Jesus will come again to judge the living and the
dead, but he doesnt believe it. So he doesnt really believe himself to be
evil or inherently good; rather, since he doenst have to worry about going
to hell, he will just "wait inside his head", i.e. he will just live his
life as well as he can.
"Like a scream but sort of silent living off my nightmares." The voices are
searing and stretching him apart; with all these notions running about in
his head, it is diffuclt to control himself and his own emotions. "Feeling
threatend? We reflect you hopes and fears" seems to be one of the voices---
i'm not quite sure whose, but it is there in his head. "Others steal your
thoughts they're not confined within your mind" seems to Definitely be a
reference to the Christian ideal that God is everywhere. Yet for our
confused narrator, there are so many different voices tugging him so many
ways. He has learned many things, but it is a struggle to find the sanctity
of his own mind and the ability to live through the veritable clouds of
confusion that mar his mind-- "Thought disorder, dream control"
(whoa, this is getting long. i will, reluctantly, accept flames for this
length. 10 minutes is a lot of lyrics and Petrucci has thrown all of
Western thought into a relatively short piece. One could proabably fill an
entire digest with simply references made to one LINE of the song)
"But where was the Garden of Eden?"-- where is his paradisical peace; where
can he find solitude and placidity in a world that broadcasts our thought
on the radio? Most of this section and the part that follows is in direct
conflict with Christianity and his mal- reproach towards those beliefs. In
one way, God protects you, with the Saviour helping us to salviation, but
He can also reject us if our thoughts, which are always present to Him,
betray our mistaken fears and beliefs. Sex is Death: this probably erupts
into his mind because, in all likelihood, he is not a virgin and has
probably had sex with someone to whom he is not married (based both on
contemporary facts about society and on the context within the song).
"I'm kneeling on the floor"-- prayer, but with relucatnce, confusion, and
indecision. "God in poilticians?"-- he knows that contemporary society is a
complete mess with the radio, his diary on the newsstand and how we have
"lost the TRUTH to quicksand." But what is the truth-- is it Christianity?
Sort of--- "Love, just dont stare." "Reveal the Word when you're supposed
to." Notice the capitalization of "Word", suggesting it is some higher
doctrine. But not, probably, Christianity. So what is left?
"Maybe I'm just Cassandra fleeting, 20th century icon bleeding" -- Now we
have returned to the ancient, perhaps "pagan" ideas. Cassandra was that
famous seeress of ancient past and, persumably, was granted with 'voices'
in herhead. So instead of being in league with Judas or the Devil, he
realigns himself with the ancient Greeek past and the diffculties of
hearing voices that might forcast our doom. The 20th centruy is often seen
as the most abhominable, with two world wars and, according to some (the
Pope, actually), a culture of death. But he is "willing to risk
[Chrirstian] Salvation to escape from isolation." He feels alone and
isolated in the Christian ideals and its world, and wishes/doubts that
someone (God?) might "rid me of my secrets, deliver us from Darkness."
Darkness for all of "us", presumably humanity, has defaced soicety,
especially now in the twentieth century. However, in the end, he comes to
realise that one cannot simply accept the ideals of others and that we cant
"espect (y)our own Messiah (as) this neverworld which you desire is only in
your mind."
So, in the end, it does seem to be optimistic; the narrator has reconciled
his confusion through the realization the he cannot live his life through
any other imposed doctrines. While this seems to be a slight angainst
Christianity, it rather appears that, because of the malaise way the
religion was transmitted to him, he could not accept its tenets. For him,
Christianity could not be a satisfactory way of living his life and he
needs his own-- in his mind. To each, his own. Just make sure that it is in
your mind, and not just something that you cling to flailingly and weakly.
It seems as if love is the crux of the succeess of his thinking; not at all
surprsing from the man that gives us "Love is the Dance of Eternity."
I definitely thinkthat Awake is a concept album, but I will hold back on
that dissertation. I have not posted much before, even though I have
subscribed since the 700's. I dont really KNOW that this is what Petrucci
sees, and there are a couple of confusing parts to me that i cant quite
explain, so i never bothered to post before. I'd be interested in any
commentary. I wonder if this makes Petrucci a literary genius, on top of
his already bequeathed title as a guitar '"god." I have often found that
it's easier to get people into DT if you explain the lyrics first. Even an
exclusive classical music nut was broken by that method by yours truly. OH
yeah, the music of Voices isnt bad either. (sorry for the length).
-Omar Khan
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:57:32 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Goodies and New Threads.
Message-ID: <199510282157.OAA04776@maple.enet.net>
>As much as i like dream theater and this mailing list can we please do
>something to make it so we dont get 4 or 5 a day. Im not a busy person
>but even i dont have time to read all of them. Why cant the people that
>run this just take all the messages in one day and make a digest out of
>it or something. This is just getting to much getting 4 or 5 a day that
>in the end i have to delete because my mail box is so full.Mark
>
Why don't you think about that for a minute. It wouldn't cut down
on the reading time and it would take abou three hours to take out of your
mailer server. It would also take up the same amount of space in your
mailbox, so, in the end, it is lots of a work and pretty much pointless.
New Threads:
1. PARTS OF DT SONGS THAT COULD GO ON FOREVER AND WOULDN'T BORE YOU
Here's a few of mine:
Jam session in from TTT
The "Wait For Sleep" jam/solo/thingy at the end of LTL
The LTL outro
Beginning of Scarred
End of Scarred
Eve (the whole thing!) Anyone else notice that this song uses the same drum
patterns as Another Day (at least the TDoE version does)
NON DT SONGS:
outro in Metallica's "Fade to Black"
middle section of Metallica's "To Live is to Die"
2. I've been thinking about this one for a while, but I kept forgetting to
send it in.
Songs that would be good for the soundtrack of certain movies.
` Songs that would sound good being played during certain parts of
certain movies
Songs that would be good during the beginning credits of certain movies
Songs that would be good during the end credits of certain movies
Songs that would be good for certain kinds of movies
(ex. Metallica's "Of Wolf and Man" during any werewolf movie)
Doesn't just have to be the title though. Like maybe if a certain
tune fits the theme of a certain movie, send it in.
Tell the song title, the movie title (the part of the movie, if
necessary) and why. Put something like Movie/Song Thing in the subject, so
people who aren't interested can skip it if they please.
Well I think it would be interesting.
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:17:32 +0000 (GMT)
From: Nathan Dayspring <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1081
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951028163504.28956I-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
> From: "SHAUN WESTPHAL" <WESTPHAS@nsu001.northern.edu>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1079
>
> I have two questions:
> 1.How long ago did Criss Oliva die? (a year ago or something)
Two years ago.
> 2.Was he ever a member of Dream Theater? NO
Why did you ask? You answered your own question, silly. <G>
> So why do all of us who never even knew him personally have to read,
> and send posts about him to Ytsejam, the DREAM THEATER digest????
1) I'm a new Savatage fan and I asked.
2) This is about Dream Theater and RELATED bands. There are many Savatage
fans on this list and Savatage is a prog-rock band not unlike Dream
Theater. I figured that some on this list would know. I don't have WWW
access.
And speaking of Savatage fans...
> From: jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu
> Subject: A little story
>
> WARNING: Semi-long post to follow:
>
> Thought you all might be interested in a little exchange I had with a CD
> store owner the other day:
>
> On Tuesday, I went to the store to buy Savatage's new CD "Dead Winter
> Dead". At the same time, I figured I'd finally pick up Fates' "Chasing
> Time" since I have been a bad little fan and had neglected to get it when
> it first came out. I went up to the counter to pay, and the guy picks up
> the Savatage CD and says:
>
> "This just came out today, you know."
>
> "I know," I replied. "That's why I'm here!"
>
> "You mean you were waiting for this?" he scoffed.
>
> "Yes I was," I admitted proudly.
>
> He then picked up the Fates Warning CD and said "Fates Warning, too??!!
> On the same day??!!"
>
> Again I answered yes, and he rolled his eyes and said "Hmmph. And I
> suppose Dream Theater is another favorite, right?"
>
> "Hell, yes!" I replied. "What's wrong with that?"
>
> He said: "Oh, nothing, I suppose. I used to be into all that 'heavy
> metal' stuff too--you know, Megadeth and Testament and stuff--but I
> finally outgrew that stage."
Oh, I just LOVE this attitude. That reminds me of a friend of mine who
said she also "outgrew" heavy metal (She's 20, folks, but she's also a
married mother of 2). Of course, she got me more into Pink Floyd (after I
discovered The Wall on my own). Anyway, I brought ACoS over to their
house when I went to play Magic with her husband. I wanted her to hear
the "In The Flesh" cover. Then I played ACoS in it's entirety on their
stereo after I was knocked out of the game by a stay Drain Life (I told
Mike about this <G>). I THINK they liked it. Well, they didn't say it
sucked. <G>
> "This isn't like Megadeth, though," I responded. "It's progressive--it's
> intelligent and well-thought out, and the musicianship is unsurpassed!"
What? You mean Megadeth isn't intelligent and well thought out? <G>
> "Progressive rock is terrible!" he replied. "They all sound the same
> with those long solos with too many effects, and the singers all have
> those annoying whiny voices!"
What was he smoking?
> At this point, I was prepared to launch into a huge debate about the
You know, I THOUGHT you were gonna say you almost launched your fist into
his face. That or an all out nuclear attack. <G>
> quality of progressive music and the ignorance of those who can't even
> appreciate the value of the bands' talent, regardless of whether or not
> the person likes to LISTEN to the music. But the seven people in line
> behind me were beginning to shuffle their feet with impatience so I decided
> it was time to leave peacefully.
Yeah, good idea. That would definitely not have been a good moment to
"Take the time" (which incidentally is the very song I'm listening to
right now.). DT has been in HEAVY rotation in my CD player.
> I'll just have to go back to see him this Tuesday (Halloween) when I go
> to pick up the new Helloween CD!! (This, of course, will have to be after
> I e-mail my personal note to MTV! ;) !!)
Put a curse on him so that he'll turn into a pumpkin.
> Sorry about the length, but I had to vent!
At least you didn't mention you're top five favorite non-DT bands (okay,
so you only mentioned two of them) or Blind Melon.
> Jodi
> (Yet another FEMALE progressive rock fan!)
Cool. There aren't enough of you out there! Though I must admit that a
female DID get me into Rush. She also showed me an interview with DT in a
magazine and noted the Rush and Queensryche influences.
Paul
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 23:21 MESZ
From: roland.theysohn@protel.de (Roland Theysohn)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Your Smilies
Message-ID: <m0t9IhS-0000D7C@ns.protel.de>
Hi Jammers,
I see at your postings that your Smilies dont have Noses :) is this normal?
Here in Germany our Smilies have Noses :-)
Bye from Germany
----Oh no,that is the Kraut from Germany again-----
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:22:51 -0400
From: WarrenDW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Maraya007@aol.com, BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu, durnik@indirect.com,
Subject: Dream Theater " FAN CLUB "
Message-ID: <951028182251_56982875@mail06.mail.aol.com>
Like probably a lot of other DT fans I sent in the $ 16.00 to join the fan
club in January '95. As you "regulars" know, I have received nothing except a
cancelled check.
After 3 unanswered letters, over a period of 7 months, I decided to send
another one certified, return receipt requested. I sent it on Sept 23rd.
Today I got the damn thing back...unclaimed.
The postal service keeps it for 10 working days and then returns it if no one
shows to pick it up. So now what?? I thought the band was overseeing this
personally?? I don't know who is in charge of it all but they are sure doing
a crappy job. I have been trying to keep a positive attitude about this but,
shit, it has been over 10 months now. With the time and effort I have put in
trying to get a response I could have started my own DT fan club. And think
of all the $ 16.00 checks I WOULD HAVE!!
Any suggestions?? How about a Fan Club Poll?? Sorry, just kidding...I
promised myself that my posts should have at least _ some_ humor. That was
it.
Warren in Oregon
Warren in Oregon...trying to dig the 'fan club shaft' out of my ass.
Warren in Oregon...don't even try to visualize that last line..figure of
speech only.
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:53:06 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Replying to polls
Message-ID: <9510282253.AA02117@anthor.arastar.com>
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:36:29 +0000
> From: <name changed to protext the innocent :) >
> To: eiagm@eznet.net
> Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Re: ******IMPORTANT*****
>
> > Hi folks,
> > I've been wanting to do a survey of list members, so here goes.
> > No, its not a poll like what we've seen, it has DT content, and it
> > should yield interesting results.
> >
> > Here are the questions:
> >
> > 1. What DT album did you buy first, and what prompted you to buy it.
>
[reply sent to ytsejam deleted]
Please do not CC the list when you reply to any polls. For that matter,
don't send poll replies to the 'jam :)
Thank you.
-- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:39:16 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam Subject: Why no moderation (was Re: To many ytsejams) Message-ID: <9510282339.AA02911@anthor.arastar.com>
At Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:34:59 -0700 gigalo@ix.netcom.com (Mark Davenport ) said:
> Im not a busy person but even i dont have time to read all of them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Why cant the people that run this just take all the messages in one > day and make a digest out of it or something.
Because I *am* a busy person (explanation at the end since most people probably don't care about what I do). Another reason is because I feel that censorship is bad.
So how do you get the number of digests down to a reasonable number? I'll provide some guidelines in a post with an appropriate subject line.
How do you deal with the off-topic stuff? I'll go over that in another post that talks about how to read a listproc generated digest :)
Now for the boring stuff:
I work full-time (40+ hours a week). I'm a full-time student (4 classes, 16 units, UCSD). I have a girlfriend. If I was sane, I'd limit my life to those three so I could have some free time. But since I'm not sane, I also distribute Toby Howard's Elephant Talk (King Crimson/Fripp) in the Americas. I edit the New Releases list (though I, thankfully, don't deal with the bounces/subscribes). On top of that, I run 11 listserv mailing lists on this machine. Fortunately, only 6 of them really have any traffic or I wouldn't have time to eat and sleep.
-- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 02:03:40 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Not a thing important here... Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951029015359.29149A-100000@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>
Uhhh... Help me !! My mailbox is filled with messages, since I subcribed. Please remove me from....
Okey.Bad taste.Don't.No really twas a joke.Hey!
My first time posting, couldn't resist =). So hi all ya Jammers I'm Karri. If you wanna mail me with anything personal, mail. If you don't....uhh,don't.
What to do with the after-concert sore ? -Don't shout the lyrics with Jamie. Just open your mouth alot (don't have to be in tempo either). It really works ! I do it all the time. This way you can shout the praises and stuff after- wards. Unless you're stunned as I am =)
Yeah. U guessed it , nothing really to say. Hi!...umm bye.
Later.
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: HOLY SHIT! CYGNUS ROCKS! Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951028201126.223342B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Wow. This CD is fucking intense! It's absolutely amazing! By-Tor, Cygnus into Hemispheres, oh man! And Ged yelling at the audience is hysterical! It's like, "Ok, Dad, chill!" I wouldn't recommend this disc to anyone who's favorite song of all time is "Something for Nothing," 'cause it kinda reminded me of a Salvador Dali painting. But, dear Lord! the rest of the CD more than makes up for it! If you're a Rush fan, your collection is painfully incomplete without this CD! The wait for Acoustic Dreams won't be so bad now! :) Mike, this is amazing. You're in my will. -Chris
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:25:25 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam Subject: neoclassical list (was Re: Message to Mr Bahr and some others) Message-ID: <9510290025.AA03281@anthor.arastar.com>
At Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:38:18 CST "Richard Karsmakers" <r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl> said:
> *** To the guy who was thinking of doing a shred mailing list: > > You might try the neoclassical mailing list of Igor Sinyak; it does > pretty much what you intended to do. I don't know what the mailing list > address is, though.
When you need the name of a mailing address, see Myra Wong's LoMML. The neoclassical list info is posted below, along with info on getting a copy of the lomml for yourself.
(The following is from lomml-3.1)
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 17:42:01 -0700 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Marc Bonilla tape Message-ID: <199510290042.RAA12975@ix7.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote: > >-- [ From: Jan-Michael Souter * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- > > Greets. I saw a few people talking about Marc Bonilla's album "EE >Ticket". That name rang a bell and I went through my tape collection >and found it. I remember only listening to it a couple of times and it >didn't make a big impression on me. So after reading the 'jam I got my >tape back out and listened to it again. Now don't get me wrong -- I >LOVE instrumental music with NO vocals. I absolutely love Ozric >Tentacles, GAMALON!, Tony McAlpine, Yngwie J. Malmsteen (especially non- >vocal tracks), Satriani, etc etc.... But this EE Ticket by Marc >Bonilla just isn't my 'cup of tea'. Sure would be a waste for me to >hold on to this tape that I don't like. I'd rather ship it to someone >who is looking for it. Sorry it isn't a CD, but it's only been >listened to a max of 5 times and of course is in perfect condition. >Please send me EMAIL if you'd like me to ship it to you. That'd be the >quickest response as I've been trying to catch up reading 'jams from - >last- month!! I read all the 'jams - even if it takes me days, I >slowly but surely read 'em all. > >Hairball - Glad to see you back on the 'jam! Even if those ramblings >about audio bug others, I like to read 'em !! Keep it up, bro! >Ya know.. "Hairball" would be a good name for a group! Hmmm > >Later.. Jan-Michael cprs92a@prodigy.com >
Finally the lead lurker speaks!
Y-jammers you just heard longest lurker I know. I will say this though, he did loan me his DT boots (7 of them) to listen to. So, I guess he's not that bad of a guy. By the way he also got me and my friends in the very front of the line when DT came to Deep Ellum in Dallas on the first leg of their Awake tour. Not bad for a long haired slimy toad hippie freak. :)
Michael C.
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 17:48:37 GMT+0000 From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT on the 'Jam Message-ID: <m0t9K3Z-0000DXC@donews.cts.com>
Erik Wolfe wrote:
<<Mike's grandmother uses Prodigy, and Mike has used her account in the past.>>
I will confirm this - the last time he surfed the service (that I know of), he didn't post (as he has done before on other people's accounts, none of which are active any longer, I think), but he did send me an email about the fanzine. :D
Jaime
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:06:24 -0700 From: mkizer@indirect.com (Michael Kizer) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: New DT Song Book Location Message-ID: <199510282306.QAA10308@bud.indirect.com>
I did some housekeeping on my web page, and now the DT Song Book exists in a different directory. Please change any links that you may have to reflect the new location: http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/dt/dt.htm This page will allow access to the latest version of the Song Book, if you wish to FTP a copy do so from: www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/dt/dt_sb11.txt
Note: As changes are made to the Song Book, the filename will change, so links should only be made to the dt.htm page.
If there are any questions or suggestions, email me direct.
Thanks, /~~~~~~~ Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) ~~~~~~~\ \ Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com / / WWW: http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm \ \ ^---> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... / / \ \ "It's harder to sit, when everyone else is standing, / / To shake your head as the world just nods away." - as the world, echolyn \ \______________________________________________________________________________/
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 19:59:13 EDT From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1080 Message-ID: <9510282359.AA20825@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
2112? Cheesy? Come on. How many times can the Ytsejam insult me? Guys. Try harder. You haven't made me unsubscribe yet.
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:11:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Inspiration, weight, & myself Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.951028185348.13604A-100000@timon.acu.edu>
Greetings, Yet another related thread has come to my mind as a result of the DT/NIN debate. It is the idea of whether or not music (this includes lyrics; the whole thing) REALLY has an effect on the world. Are tunes just entertainment, or is there a more practical purpose. Well, considering how much I listen to music and how much $, time, etc. is spent on it, I personally subscribe to the belief that music CAN have an effect on the individual (and society to some degree). This effect can be either positive or negative depending on the situation. I am not saying that because NIN lyrics are dark that the overall effect on individuals who listen to it is negative. It is possible, and I think necessary, to recognize the dark side (as I have said before). However, I believe we are affected by everything we experience. If we expose ourselves, or are exposed (depending on how much control you think you have over yourself) to a predominantly negative message (this is not resereved to music) then I believe it will have a negative effect on you. And vice versa regarding positive things. I do not think we are completely swayed one way or the other; I dot not believe humans are puppets, or whatever. I do beleive, however, that what we expose ourselves to DOES have an effect on us. My point; I want an accurate perception of life... I want to see real from the fantasy (KX). Most music that I truly love is music (lyrics included) that inspire me and lift me up in some way. This may just be for the moment that I'm listening to the song. However, if I listen to a great deal of music that inspires me, I think it would take a deliberate effort to quench that inspriration... it will influence me.
On the subject of the heaviness/lightness of music. I agree with whoever it was that said music does not have to be heavy to be good. I love heavy music (Pantera, DT, and the heavy of heavies - Kyuss). But I also love light music such as George Winston and classical music. I also love the lighter side of prog. music, too, like Yes. I love Jon Anderson's voice and the music they make is some of the coolest I've heard. Well, that's my views, at least. Disclaimer: I do not like George Thorogood.
My contribution to the current pole: 1. Images & Words (a friend's brother had the cd and said "I think this will be right down your alley." the rest is history)
2. Learning To Live 3. Status Seeker 4. 21 5. male 6. i play no instruments my additions 7. home: St. Louis, MO. at college in Abilene, TX 8. Photojournalism major: plan to be a photographer (not photojournalist) Kyle Mallett "... I'm inspired and content."
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:55:20 EDT From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <9510290055.AA28047@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
It's amazing. I've seen different set lists for each posting of the Japanese shows. HMM. did we all see the same show.
This brings up a good point. You know, guys, if you are going to the NJ show or the LI show or the CT show, the set list may change, so don''t take this set list as if it were going to be the one for the Northeast shows.
I can't compare NIN and DT lyrically, but I can compare musically. I think NIN is too synthetic. Now, don't get me wrong, but I don't think NIN cuts it musically. They're too noisy. They scream. There's too much distortion. The drums are programmed. DT is live. They sound like musicians not computers. This is probably why I think Magellan is cool, even though the drums are probably sampled, they don't sound programmed. More like triggered, maybe. Magellan to me sounds like a band as opposed to NIN's preprogrammed drum machines. And Trent needs vocal lessons. I've only heard one song that goes away from common time signatures, and that song is a bunch of noise. My opinion, mind you, not a flame or an attack. To each his own. NIN is not prog and probably doesn't want to be. DT is prog. The differences are clear. As to who is better, that all depends on personal taste. I think DT is better, but I don't know anything, according to a few people on this list. Hell, I will probably get flamed for this, too. but who cares?
Fred clock. Get in touch with me, you boner.
Damon Fibraio s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jtack1@ic3.ithaca.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Bio Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951028203058.63624C-100000@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> > Subject: Re: A little story > > Hey, Jody. > > Maybe that guy is a blind melon fan. Gee, sucks, doesn''t it?
Yeah, but could you spell my name right, please? Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine 8^) !!!
And now that that's out of the way:
Since some people are complaining of a lack of feminine input on the 'jam, I figured I'd get in on this biography thing.
I'm a 21 year old female from western Massachusetts, and I'm a senior TV/Radio major at Ithaca College in Ithaca, NY. I used to play drums and keyboards--about 10 years ago--but I got lazy and subsequently lost all musical ability. Oh, and I will be going to the El 'N Gee show, providing there are still tickets available by the time I manage to scrape up enough money to buy them. (Christmas present maybe? Mom? Tom? Becca? Any other generous 'jammers? Well, it was worth a shot.)
Jodi
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