YTSEJAM Digest 1086
Today's Topics:
1) **IMPORTANT**
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1080
by eiagm@eznet.net
3) Re: Please Help Me...(NO DT CONTENT)
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
4) Acoustic Dreams questions
by augie@unix.asb.com (augie)
5) DT/NIN + Ivanhoe
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
6) Bickering
by J Wiseman <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
7) Woohoo, NIN
by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
8) Mind Control CD (ADTC!!!)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
9) Oh man! Not Again!
by laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
10) Survey Update
by eiagm@eznet.net
11) NNINC
by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
12) Re: worn out CDs
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) asdf
by Bryan Bridges <bab@earthlink.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1084
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
15) Re: A little story
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Re: Shadow Gallery
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
17) NIN???
by JIMMY <bd30011@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu>
18) Musical diversity on the jam!!! (a good thing)
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
19) Fates Warning
by UJELOSBY@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1072
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
21) Hey! At least MY scrotum doesn't smell like broccoli!
by laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
22) DT Japan Tour (setlist including)
by Kaoru Kobayashi <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
23) DT and NIN
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:31:06 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: **IMPORTANT**
Message-ID: <9510280131.AA14186@junix.ju.edu>
For the nin vs DT thing I like this thread alot! Gonna be a good one.
Now, Mike says that nin tell the truth about life and the horror and
confinments of it. THey speak of depressing realities of our society today.
Nin SHows that our existande is ruled not by our own actions but by what the
pre generation X put in us and how they have, I guess raised us to be and
shown us how to be.
Sounds to me that Mike is TOTALLY CORRECT. BUT, I also belive that Mike is
missing a very important point. He says that nin tells it like it really
is. This is true, but does nin ever offer or even attempt to offer a
solution to the problem of Generation X? Does nin ever even think of it? I
dont think so. TRENT RESNOR JUST SITS IN HIS OWN PILE OF SHIT (sorrow and
pain) AND SPREADS IT TO ALL OF HIS FANS. In turn they sit in their shit and
whine to all of their freinds (like the ytsejam mailing list) and exclaim
that the world is rotten and filled with vile. They proclaim that
Generation X are sheeps and only care about sex and food!
Listen to these lyrics;
"I hurt myself today, to see if I still feel. I focus on the
pain, the only thing that's real."
"He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see," --- nin.
Seems to me that, as Mike said, NIN expresses that their is a problem with
the society of Generation X. But what does he do to change it nothing.
Mike says that it can't change. THATS TOTAL BULL SHIT!
If society can't change then how did Generation X get the way it is?
It wasn't like this in the 50's.
Mike feels that DT offers an ESCAPE from the problems of reality. I think
DT offers a POSSIBLE SOLUTION to the problems of reality. If you think it
wont work, then fine. But at least were trying not just telling everyone
about it and getting all down all of the time. THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEM IS TO FIGHT IT, NOT JUST LOOK AT IT AND CRY!
Mike, read this and understand that DT isn't an escape, but a band looking
to help everyone change the way it is.
"Likely or not it's a dream that I keep, and at odds with my
senses I'll climb. But if faith is the answer, then I've already reached
it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time."
---DT---
Have a good day :)
____________________________________________________________________________
"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:05:09 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1080
Message-ID: <199510272132.RAA08901@mail1.eznet.net>
I feel I have to respond to this comparison between Nine Inch Nails
and DT. I can't comment about Nine Inch Nails, 'cause I don't know
them, but I can comment on DT (which is why we're here, right?)
Saying that DT fails to address the immediate issues of the
present day, that they fail to "honestly" reflect the struggle of a
single generation is kind of like saying that DT has its own message
that is timeless, unswayed by popular opinion, resistant to the tides
of current feelings. The person who describes "generation X"
(whatever that means) is only reflecting his own experiences. Nine
Inch Nails definitely speaks more to his experiences than DT does.
However, his experiences do not reflect an entire generation. They
have even less meaning within the context of the whole of human
history.
DT, however, encompasses so much in their music. Many of their
themes take on Eastern mysticism, Christianity, Paganism, AIDS, self
enlightenment, etc. Their music will continue to have meaning long
after Nine Inch Nails has become obselete (by the sounds of it, like
I said, I don't know NIN).
Lastly, I would like to point out that having courage and
optimism in the face of difficulties is just as honest as giving up
on things and being cynical. DT doesn't shy away from the problems
humans face - but they seek to conquer them, not merely drown in
pessimism. Also, DT tends not to deal directly with more earthly
problems, looking instead toward problems of the soul, or spirit.
6:00 is about the failure of a man to act on his dreams. The
song can work on two levels. It could be about the problems of a
"generation X" person, or it could be anyone, because we all have
felt fear when confronting our true dreams. DT encompasses more.
Of course, this all ignores the music itself. Most people (I
find) are more interested in the lyrics, or a simple beat. That is
the real reason DT will never be super popular. DT's music is
superior, the message - more timeless than most.
Mike S.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:32:51 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Please Help Me...(NO DT CONTENT)
Message-ID: <199510280040.UAA21805@shell.monmouth.com>
> On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Robert Quezada wrote:
>
> >> Another thing, EVERY DAY I LOG ON WITH AT LEAST SIX DIGESTS.
>
I didn't write that. Thanks for making it look like I said that. I
quoted it when I replied to the original article.
> Blah blah blah...
[clip] or [snip] or somthing to that effect is better. Saying
"Blah blah blah" sounds a little obnoxious.
>
> >> INFORMED WITHOUT MISSING A beat. Thanks.
>
> > I can see you're mad, but can you use lowercase? It makes it A LOT
> > easier to read.
> >
> > Let me ask you something. If the server that sends the digest form
> > doesn't send all of them, wouldn't it get backed up after a few days?
> >
> > Have you tried non-digest mode? I switched to it because of the
> > multiple 'jams I used to get. It allows me to easily find the
> > letters I want to read and delete the ones I didn't. I don't
> > remember how to switch to it -- hopefully, someone else does.
>
> There are so many digests because of all of the useless traffic on the
> 'Jam...which I just added to! From now on could everyone please put
> "NO DT CONTENT: <subject>" on the subject line of your mail so I can
> just delete it...I have blown away over 70 jams because I work for a
> living and have better things to read...The only non-DT stuff I have been
> remotely interested in are guitar related topic and "Hairball 101"...
>
Good idea. But I never wondered why there were so many digests. Why
did you quote what I said when it had nothing to do with what you
just posted? I was pointing something out to someone else about the
capital letters and offered a suggestion.
rq
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:58:30 -0400
From: augie@unix.asb.com (augie)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams questions
Message-ID: <v01530500acb72e2a251d@[165.254.128.45]>
I have just received my copy of Accoustic Dreams #173 this afternoon. It's
a great album. Thanks Mike Bahr for making this possible. I have a few
questions about this album.
I see the name of the album is MAJESTY: Acoustic Dreams. Does that mean
the group Majesty plays all the songs? Is Majesty actually a band? Do
they have any other albums out?
I think but I'm not sure that Dream Theater plays Wait for Sleep, Silent
Man, Long Island Expressway, O Holy Night, and Six O'clock on this album.
On the other songs does Majesty play?
I thank anyone who answers these questions. The answer to these questions
is probably right in front of my nose, but I just can't find it.
Once again, thanks Mike Bahr for making this album possible! It is great!
Heath Augustover
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:10:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT/NIN + Ivanhoe
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.951027195700.10186D-100000@timon.acu.edu>
Greetings,
I have been wrestling with the idea of whether or not to get in on
the DT/NIN debate. I think it is a good topic, but I find myself at an
occasional loss for words at times in trying to express my views. I'll
try to be as clear as I can and keep it to a reasonable length. Note: I
will only be addressing the lyrics side of the discussion.
NIN is definitely more depressing and dark that DT. I don't think
that is a question. The main question as I see it, is which is more
honest/realistic. Well, this is a concept I have been mulling over in my
head for some time (viewing life from a "realistic" p.o.v.) As a point of
reference, I will say that I am a Christian. I do not intend to preach
about how NIN should find the love of Christ (and DT for that matter) and
they would be far better off. Preaching is an effective tool, but not in
this type of arena.
Where was I? NIN is darker; there is a dark side to life (more so
for some than for others). This dark side needs to be acknowledged (the
whole Heart of Darkness thing; Joseph Conrad), but I think it is dangerous
to dwell and revel in that darkness. I honestly do not believe life is as
bleak as NIN lyrics may have you beleive. There are traces of hope, but
they are few and far between. I find DT lyrics more "real" than NIN
because they cover more of a complete spectrum of life: both good and
evil, dark and light, happy and sad, etc. etc.
As for the issue of honesty, I think both are being as honest as
any individual (or group as the case may be). Being honest doesn't
necessarily mean you are speaking the truth. People can be misled
rearding their own feelings and what ultimate truth really is.
I could go on, but I will refrain for the time being.
On a lighter note, my curiosity is piqued about the band
Ivanhoe. After I'm done here, I will search out some samples off the
net. If anyone has any recordings by them, please e-mail me personally
and maybe we can work out some kind of deal.
Kyle Mallett
"Miracles never cease, they are just renamed."
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 01:40:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: J Wiseman <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Bickering
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951028013348.3360D-100000@slc-20>
Have you noticed how the DT digests are becoming more caught up with
non-DT issues. If, for example, we take a couple of the most noticably
major topics over the last few days.
1. Blind Melon - This involved people slagging other people off for
gloating over the guy's death.
2. Digests. - Those who complain about the numbers are also adding
to the list (as am I) I`m not here to argue if it is right or wrong, but
if you dont like it then send messages directly, or to the editor.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE ANGRY DO THE HAVE TO WRITE LIKE THIS?
Just a THOUGHT!
Jim the funky beer monster.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:46:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Woohoo, NIN
Message-ID: <199510280146.VAA24943@dogwood.grove.ufl.edu>
I would like to explain the comment someone made that NIN should learn
to play their instruments. See, NIN is mostly one guy with electronics,
very much like Golgotha. Probably a huge amount of it is programmed
synthesizers (okay, there's the occasional guest musician such as
Adrian Belew, but not much).
See. No one plays. Ha ha.
Anyway, I don't find this much of a problem cause the music's pretty good,
even progressive in occasional instances (March of the Pigs for instance).
I've written three pieces myself, all on computer.
Anyway, I think the lyrics are probably more realistic, but then I think that
the whole world IS hell (and, if you are one of the people who view the
perception as the world, it is indeed ... but it's really just a personal
opinion). There will be people who think DT's lyrics are more realistic.
Probably DT, for one.
Then there will be those, like me, who think both sets of lyrics are
abstract and/or melodramatic (I've been trained, what can I say...you know,
I can't really be pissed off in my writing anymore, cause my internal
editor shouts at me, "melodrama, melodrama"... I now *need* other groups
to express my emotions in art when I should be able to do better myself
.. academia sucks ... sorry about the ramble).
Anyway, to the point. IMO the lyrical realism or lack cannot make NIN a
better band than DT. The MUSIC is where it's at. Anyone with me here?
Sorry for adding to this thread, if you hate it, but thank god it's not
BM, that's my opinion. People are thinking and debating and this is
what communication's all about. If you hate me for this, oh well ... join
the human race.
-- If you can tolerate amateur poetry enough to do a SUCK/NOT SUCK poll,
PLEASE check out http://grove.ufl.edu/~jeremy. (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu)
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:53:59 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: rbenedic@gac.edu
Subject: Mind Control CD (ADTC!!!)
Message-ID: <9510280153.AA12492@tengs1.teng>
>
> Jammers,
>
> This is short.
>
> Anyone who can tell me about the bootleg CD "Mind Control" please e-mail
> me personally--I have questions for you. I need a brief discription of it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ryan Benedict
> rbenedic@gac.edu
Mind Control: 2 CD recording of Japanese radio broadcast during
Awake tour (I think this is the same recording as "Wake Up," no?).
Worth getting for the awesome drum solo in the middle of CiaW and
the new intro to "The Mirror"--- "Another Crack in the Mirror."
This instrumental seems to be a showcase for Derek, and it sounds
great (of course, everyone who saw this tour heard it, but
it's nice to sit down and digest it over and over)
Has two acoustic "bonus" tunes (how the hell can a
song be bonus if it's on a boot?)--- "TSM" plus "Tears" (both
sound like demos. "Tears" sounds pretty good, but the AD version
is a little better.
Quality: A/A- (if one rates TDoE as an A)
Zach
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:05:08 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Oh man! Not Again!
Message-ID: <199510280205.TAA13223@maple.enet.net>
Geez, you guys!
If you're gonna post something controversial on the Jam, at least
make it something with more than two views to it. Now there's like 3
million identical messages saying that DT and NIN are too different to be
compared. Next time if ya wanna be controversial make it something
interesting with lots and lots of different views. Capiche?
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:25:16 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Survey Update
Message-ID: <199510272349.TAA11002@mail1.eznet.net>
Hi folks,
Just wanted to update you on the survey. So far, I've received
26 replies, which I think is a very good number for the two days its
been posted.
I failed to say when I would post results. I am looking for
numbers of replies. Preferably in the hundreds, so that I can get
some interesting results out of it. But if it really starts to
trickle, I'll post them then.
I haven't received a single reply from any of the women on the
list. C'mon, this is your chance to show prog rock isn't just a
"guy" thing!
Interesting note: I've been surprised by the answers to the last
question (what instrument do you play?). I'll just say this:
"Guitar" isn't number one.
For those who missed the questions the first time, here they are:
1. Which DT album did you buy first, and why?
2. Which DT song is your favorite.
3. Which DT song is your least favorite.
4. How old are you?
5. What is your sex?
6. What instrument do you play (if at all)?
Mike S.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: NNINC
Message-ID: <199510280206.WAA26023@dogwood.grove.ufl.edu>
There's really no Nine Inch Nails content in this message.
(:
Someone wrote (gosh, digest mode makes attributions pretty much impossible
.. this got lost on the one I was replying to):
> >Somehow I suspect anyone truly that miserable would have already killed
> >himself.
Not that I'm really pissed of here, but this isn't a very tasteful
comment (not that people *HAVE* to be tasteful, damn don't let the
thought police take over). There are some of us, however, who would
have to climb a bit, occasionally, to rech Trent's level of euphoria.
And hell, Fish, who is much the superior lyricist (IMO, okay), is
almost Mr Happy Sunshine.
And yet, though we may want to, throughout most of the day (as much as
the average male is supposed to think about sex ... "Sex is Death" anyone?),
for some reason we don't. "Carpe Diem" isn't strong enough to move
everybody.
It's not nice to be indirectly ridiculed by the happy people of the world
(but then, no one said people have to be nice, and for sure I'm not
going to).
I'm going to ignore the more direct flames toward people like me I've
been seeing on the list, because I can't do flame wars.
-- If you can tolerate amateur poetry enough to do a SUCK/NOT SUCK poll,
PLEASE check out http://grove.ufl.edu/~jeremy. (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu)
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:09:03 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: worn out CDs
Message-ID: <9510280209.AA12594@tengs1.teng>
>
> I don't think you can wear out a CD. You may want to try cleaning the
> laser or something. They sell cd player cleaning kits. My friend has one.
> Also, your player may be old and starting to burn out. I am not an expert on
> Cd players, but try putting your Awake Cd in another player and go to the
> skipping part and see if it skips. you may be a bit surprised.
CD composition as follows (taken from a post on the
microscopy listserver from the Coordinator of the Disc
Systems Dept. for Pioneer):
- Partially printed label --
---- Polymer cover ---------
- Alminum reflection layer -
-- Embossed pit structre ---
- 1.2mm thick PC substrate -
Only the embossed substrate is necessary.
The tip for removing the cover and the alminum layer is not very elegant.
1 Stick an adhesive tape on the label side.
2 Remove it rapidly.
If your CD is too stiff to remove the layers, try glue for plastics.
Be aware that you can't listen to the music from the CD anymore.
You have to choose one pity musician! <<we won't mention names !>)>
__________________
So you can't "wear" the CD out in the normal sense by
playing it (erasing the data--- there is not contact
being made on the data side anyway), but scratches in
the protective plastic can prevent the laser from
tracking the data underneath (or so I assume). Some
players seem to have better tracking systems than
others, but there is a PoNR (good movie btw) as far
as the amount of damage goes.
Zach
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:34:11 -0700
From: Bryan Bridges <bab@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: asdf
Message-ID: <199510280236.TAA02665@atlas.earthlink.net>
Bryan A. Bridges - brid0129@nova.gmi.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:18:44 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1084
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.951027231519.29052B-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Comparing DT to NIN is not even apples and oranges... It's apples and
traffic lights... I love both bands (sometimes one more than the other
depending on the mood).
Oh my God! I am so psyched about the King Crimson concert in less than
two weeks!!!!!!!!!
Jay Peele
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:39:19 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A little story
Message-ID: <9510280339.AA02131@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, Jody.
Maybe that guy is a blind melon fan. Gee, sucks, doesn''t it?
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:55:39 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <9510280355.AA30390@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I'm curious.
why do a lot of people constantly bash synthesizers in rock music? IN a
review of Rush's albums from 1982 through 1993, synthesizers have constantly
gotten trashed. I am a synth player, and cannot understand. Guitars are
great, don't get me wrong, but why trash an instrument that has such a wide
variety of sounds and dynamics, from subtle pianos to ghowling synthesizer
sounds that could probably rival guitars if tweaked enough.
And that also sends me to this question, or actually a statement. Music
doesn't have to be heavy to be good. Has anybody ever listened to Yes? They
are not exactly heavy metal, but they are just as progressive as DT. I love
'em. Yeah, John Anderson's voice is high-pitched, but I don't care. The man
can sing his ass off. But, I get the impresssion, (I could be dead wrong)
that some people have a kind of heavy metal mentality that if it's not heavy,
it sucks. People, that is sooooo far wrong. I'm not accusing anybody, but I
got that idea from the guy who didn't quite get blown away by Shadow Gallery.
Hey, it's his choice, and I understand his opinion, (at least he didn't say
they sucked, he gave his reasons and they are well-founded.) Hell, I've even
heard the phrase "if it's not progressive, it sucks." That's not true either.
I like George Thorogood, and he's simplistic as hell. (What blues song is
complex?) That's great. I love that stuff. It doesn't have to be hard, or
progressive to be good.
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIMMY <bd30011@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: NIN???
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951028001301.7512B-100000@bingsun1>
I don't remember subscribing to the NIN fanclub. Enough already.
The comparison of NIN and DT should not even be thought about.
Thank You!
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:59:20 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Musical diversity on the jam!!! (a good thing)
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.951028005255.2335A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Hi guys and gals,
It's great to see so many NIN fans as well as fans of Echolyn, Fates
Warning, Thought Industry, etc. on this list...
My point: Seeing this type of versatility on this list really inspires me.
My band INFERNO hopes to (we have not achieved this goal yet!)
incorporate elements of everything we like (in extreme ways). Rush and
DT are bands that soak up influences around them and let it flow into
their own original sound. INFERNO seeks to do this as well, but in a more
extreme way (as I said, we're not there yet...)
Once again, it's great to see such musical diversity on the jam!
Jay Peele
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:16:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: UJELOSBY@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <01HWYCHL56FS02QK4S@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU>
I just had to say this
the drums on Monument , especially the verse right after the solo is
amazing...turn it on real quick and listen closely to all the stuff he's
doing...damn. I'm a guitarist myself but after learning the guitarlines inside
out(heh get it) anyway... i like digging into what the other instruments are
doing. well have fun kids...
Joe (SDLF is coming.)
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 01:19:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1072
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951028005333.25154O-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:49:00 -0700
> From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
> Subject: Moral Musings
[Quote deleted]
> How about this for something "intellectually stimulating:"
>
> There has been a thread going around that DT uses a lot of Christian
> symbolism. However, they also use some very pagan symbolism also, the
> reference to Cassandra for example. How does the justaposition of the Pagan
> with the Christian make DT's music more powerful or does it detract from it?
DT uses a LOT of different religious symbolism and literary allusions. In
fact, according to some people, religious symbolism in songs are nothing
more than literary allusions anyway.
Someone told me a while back that "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream" was
related to Wicca (or some other pagan religion). Is there a connection.
If so, what is it? I'm a Christian so I know little about most pagan
religions (except for perhaps Greek / Roman "mythology").
> I have a comment on the symbolism of the burning heart (I'm looking at the
> Live at the Marquee CD). I liked the connection to the Trinity made by
> several jammers. However, both the heart(wooden) and the barbed wire are man
> made, suggesting artificiality, and implying that religions are man made and
> that our current religious beliefs will be transformed(fire is a symbol of
> transformation) into something we cannot yet imagine by the music.
That's an interesting theory. I've been thinking about that sort of thing
a lot. Though I doubt that the music will convert anyone over to atheism. <G>
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> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:13:54 -0400 (EDT)
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Who are we?
>
> Yeah, yeah, this has probably been done before, but I'm new here, so cut
> me some slack. I just thought it would be interesting if we all posted a
> little bit of biographical info about ourselves. You know, see who's out
> there. So, here goes:
>
> I'm a 23-y-o male. I'm from Rockville Centre, LI, NY. I'm a Master's
> Degree student at UVM in Computer Science. I've been playing bass for
> about 8 years, and acoustic guitar for about 3.
Some people will probably flame the hell out of you for starting another
thread like the "top 5 albums" thing. However, I think it's a good idea.
> Any other interesting facts we should include? Oh, yeah...
Yeah. What are your top 5 favrotie albums besides Dream Theater? <JUST
KIDDING!> No...wait...stop....STOP....stop throwing Blind Melon CD's at
me! :)
Anyway, about me:
I'm a 20-year-old male. I'm from Metairie, LA (a suburb of New Orleans).
I am Psychology Major at Loyola University. I am NOT a musician. I'd like
to be but I lack talent (and probably some motivation as well...and
money. I can't forget money...). I run a local BBS with a Dream Theater /
Queensryche / Fates Warning discussion forum (wait, I mentioned this
already). I am also a Magic: TG addict like Mike Bahr.
And my top 5 favorite non-DT albums are:
<Again just kidding. Maybe I'm beating this joke to death. :) >
Paul
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:38:12 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Hey! At least MY scrotum doesn't smell like broccoli!
Message-ID: <199510280638.XAA18162@maple.enet.net>
Well, I figured that'd be a good attention getter!
You (I forgot who) said you didn't want to start a survey with the
"How I listen to DT" thing, but I'm gonna have to throw my two shiny pennies
in with a slick around-the-back toss:
I'm probably missing alot of DT's music. When I listen (since I'm a
ytse-drummer) I automatically tune into the drums and all but ignore the
high guitar and most of the keyboard parts. I don't do it on purpose. I
wonder if it's possible to take in all of the aspects of DT music at the
same time. Can you do it?
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 13:15:00 +0900
From: Kaoru Kobayashi <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Japan Tour (setlist including)
Message-ID: <199510280421.NAA00845@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>
Hi, it's Kaoru from Japan. I returned Tokyo yesterday.
Here is the tour date of Japan:
10/26 Osaka
10/28 Tokyo (NHK Hall - Sold out)
10/30 Tokyo (Shibuya Kokaido)
Osaka Set List was as following (I don't know whether I remember rightly or
not. When I find wrong, I'll post again...):
Under a Glass Moon
The Mirror
Lie
John Myung Solo
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Cover Medley:
The Rover (Led Zeppelin)
Killers (Iron Maiden)
Damage Inc. (Metallica)
In the Flesh? (Pink Floyd)
Heart of the Sunrise (Yes)
Innocence Faded
A Change of Seasons
John Petrucci Solo
Surrounded
Derek Sherinian Solo
Erotomania (including Mike's Solo)
Voices
The Silent Man (Electric)
Pull Me Under
EC: Wait for Sleep (Acoustic)
Perfect Strangers
It was really impressed show. I think it was near the best among DT shows I've
ever seen (I saw DT 12 times before Osaka). Total sound balance was great, and
James' voice was awesome! They played so expressively than ever. Two of over-
20-minute shows? Great! ;)
..Recording the show? My friend did and she will copy it for me hopefully...
Same on Tokyo shows...
Derek would like the tape that taped by audience, it's interesting.
I'm a little tired so I don't go to music fair today.
Bye for now, if you have question on Japan shows, post Ytsejam. :)
** Desperate to fall, behind the great wall, that separates us all.. **
** Kaoru Kobayashi(From Japan)<10/28 12:47>GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp **
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:53:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT and NIN
Message-ID: <199510280653.AA27732@crl14.crl.com>
> nin is more honest (blah blah blah)
Sorry, I find this a little hard to swallow. Trent Reznor's life
wasn't especially difficult and lord knows he's got no worries now.
Any angst he injects into nin's stuff now is MUCH more
artificial-sounding than DT's utopian, uplifting thoughts.
> "Seasons change, and so do I..." DT
>
> But you can't change.
Say what? People change themselves, their lives and their views all
the time. It's c00l to be maudlin and down on everything nowadays --
it plays well for the teenagers who will buy your CDs -- but life
isn't always dark and foreboding, and sometimes people CAN change
their lives for the better, all by themselves. This guy needs to
read ATLAS SHRUGGED, the most dangerous publication of the twentieth
century. (John Myung did. :))
--
I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye....
I would raise a shelter to the sky...
And here beneath this star tonight I lie....
------ Dream Theater, "Surrounded" Paul C., vanyel@crl.com -----
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