YTSEJAM Digest 971
Today's Topics:
1)
by arlene.pope@cellnet.com (Arlene Pope)
2) Re: Help my with Digest form toggle, PLEASE!
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
3) Yeah, it's ACOS again.
by TTubbiola@aol.com
4) ACOS question & other stuff
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
5) record stores and radio stations
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
6) ACOS and a transcription petition
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 965
by Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU>
8) A Change of Seasons
by Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
9) Window stickers
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) seasons break
by Dirt Cheap Technology <s011tds@discover.wright.edu>
11) Subconscious Dubs
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 957
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
13) YTSEJAM digest 961
by rinverso@cosi.stockton.edu (Ryan Inverso)
14) Re: DT interactive
by srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough)
15) ACOS Poll
by srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough)
16) Derek's keyboard sounds
by Rob Martino <martino@ctron.com>
17) ACoS, How I became a fan
by amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
18) bunch of stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 967
by schew@TIS.COM
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 967
by Jim Dove <dove@rocinante.Colorado.EDU>
21) Re: Eve on the Web ??????
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
22) More ACoS
by "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu>
23) Snares and so on...
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
24) Re: A "Thank You" letter to DT for ACOS
by schew@TIS.COM
25) ACoS
by "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
26) Boots
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
27) Re: YTSEJAM digest 968
by "Dan R. Licon" <yama@ecst.csuchico.edu>
28) DT Discography
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:47:52 -0700
From: arlene.pope@cellnet.com (Arlene Pope)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <v02110103ac86ad8e94d9@[148.80.16.134]>
Please "unsubscribe ytsejam" at this time since I am moving and will not be
at this e-mail address anymore. Thanks for everything!
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 07:34:37 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: rfguy@is.dal.ca
Cc: ytsejam
Subject: Re: Help my with Digest form toggle, PLEASE!
Message-ID: <9509211434.AA28034@anthor.arastar.com>
First, these kinds of messages should never be sent to the list--if you
have a problem with your account, email ytsejam-owner@arastar.com
> I've been trying to get digest form shut off for the last two weeks to no
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> avail.
Second, I already told you how to fix this in Ytsejam 957 on Sep 17.
The relevant part of that post was:
> UNDIGEST
> --------
> To go back into normal "bounce" mode send:
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> set ytsejam mail ack
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> to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf".
>
>The welcome message can be retrieved by sending:
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> info ytsejam
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>to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf".
If you followed these instructions and it still does not work, the
error message suggests that you email ytsejam-owner@arastar.com,
*NOT* ytsejam@arastar.com
-- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:31:12 -0400 From: TTubbiola@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Yeah, it's ACOS again. Message-ID: <950921113109_105093106@emout05.mail.aol.com>
I picked up my copy last night. The police showed up at my door an hour later asking me to turn it down! I hate living in a quiet neighborhood!!!
I think we all need to bombard our local rock stations to play their Achillies Last Stand cover. THAT THING ROCKS!!! I couldn't stop playing it. I had to call everyone I knew and play it for them over the phone.
If any band members read this: **PUT THE ZEP MEDLEY INTO YOUR LIVE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**
Sorry, I'm ok now. : )
On with the Jam!
Tom
"The spider in the window" |<Dream Theater: Voices> "The angel in the pool" | "The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola "Now the widow makes the rules"| TTubbiola@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 08:52:27 PST From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACOS question & other stuff Message-ID: <9508218116.AA811699013@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
Has anybody deciphered the background vocals towards the end of ACOS, in the Crimson Sunset section (the missing lines are noted in {...} ): I sit down with my son Set to see the crimson sunset {........} Many years have come and gone I've lived my life, but now must move on {........} Can't quite make them out... Also, someone posted a literal translation of the Italian sample in TTT and it was very different from what's in the FAQ, etc. It read,"I was blind all the time while I was learning to see." Now, I am just curious which version is "more" correct... And finally, I have received several positive replys about the "thank you" letter to DT for ACOS... So I will begin gathering personal messages shortly... look for another post describing it... +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) | | mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com | | http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm | | ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... | | "It's harder to sit, when everyone else is standing, | | To shake your head as the world just nods away." - echolyn | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:32:18 -0400 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: record stores and radio stations Message-ID: <v01510100ac8716657318@[199.232.46.229]>
> One other thing to mention is that when I went to Newbury's > to buy the CD, I discovered that they now have a web site to > order CDs from (www.newbury.com) and when I checked it out > today, they do have ACOS on there as a new release (no other > DT material, although they only have relativly new releases > for everyone...)
Funny thing about their web site. I kept going to Newbury Comics looking for Rush but they didn't have anything. Like two Counterparts, two Roll the Bones and Moving Pictures. So I check their web site and all they have for Rush is Moving Pictures. I drop the buyer a big email about how they should stock Rush and how Rush has >20 albums and they shouldn't limit themselves. Next time I go in, their stocked with Rush. Everything! And it was all $7.88 :D. So I bought what I didn't have.
BTW, If you're in the Boston area and listen to WAAF, they have a web site. If you do listen you've probably heard the guy. The address is (imagine a wicked rocker) W...W...W...DOT...W...A...A...F...DOT...COM. ha ha. He sounds ridiculous but they web site is excellent. http://www.waaf.com
I'm gonna mail 'em and tell them to talk about ACOS.
Later
--Marc R
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:32:24 -0400 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACOS and a transcription petition Message-ID: <v01510101ac871795ba9f@[199.232.46.229]>
Yet more on ACOS.
I recorded it so I can listen in the car (buy another copy. Right. I bought the Lie and Silent Man singles instead :). But I must have recorded it too loud 'cause it distorted in the car. It sounded fine on my stereo at home. Well, I'm re-recording it so I suffered through yet another listen ;).
I still think ACOS RULES!! I love it! I have to listen to the Subcon version again. I'm really getting used to the studio version and I love it.
Partha Mukhopadhyay's interpretation of the lyrics may be right. Interesting. I'm just glad I have the Subcon version.
This isn't a flame to anyone at all, but I find it interesting that people really notice things like the snare sound. That stuff goes right by me. I never really thought WDADU sounded too bad until it was pointed out. Same with Rush - Signals.
Here's an idea though. If we ytsejammers had some influence on getting ACOS recorded then how's about a petition to get a transcription book written? I don't mean some damn guitar tab book or a piano reduction (although that would be better than nothing). I want a real book with real music and ALL the BASS parts! The coolest would be seperate books with all the parts. A drum book would rule (even though I'm gonna rip off some of Portnoy's parts). How about it? Who do we write. We could dedicate a whole jam to a petition and send it to Portnoy (who looks pretty cool on the inside of ACOS - don't you think?). Or everyone could mail responses to me, I'd compile 'em, print 'em out and send it off. Whatever. I'd kill for those bass transcriptions. OK, I wouldn't kill but you know what I mean.
Later, --Marc Respass
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 965 Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950921132811.12285A-100000@palm>
hi all,
i realized a odd little coincidence with the covers on acos today that i though might intrest some of you. some of you asked if the deep purple version of perfect stranders and other dixie dregs songs kick ass. will, YES. steve mores is the guitares for the dregs and johnp says he is his bigest infulence. here is the coincidence, richey blackmore left deep purple a few years back in the middle of a tour. joe satriani took his place for the tour. and now steve mores is a member of deep purple(along with the dregs and the steve mores band-what a man) and they are working on a new album. i can't wait. talk to you all later
shamus
************************************************************************** *"As I wake in the morning just to miss the sunset.*Shamus McConney * * I lie here crying, but I know not why I'm upset. *savage@grove.ufl.edu * * So I wipe away the little portions of my youth. *http://grove.ufl.edu/* * Only to reveal another mystery and not a truth." *~savage * ************************************************************************** * -Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu. * * "I was blind all the time while I was learning to see." * * "Take the Time" -Dream Theater **************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A Change of Seasons Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950921142834.26024A-100000@labdien.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear Jammers,
..
Yours, Jeff (...drooling...)
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Window stickers Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9509211453.C4139-9100000@bdmserver>
I wasn't too by the DT window stickers. I was like 2$ for this?????? Oh well, I guess it is better than no DT sticker:)
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com **** ** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ** ** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ** **** GO REDSKINS!!!! Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons -out now ****
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dirt Cheap Technology <s011tds@discover.wright.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: seasons break Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950921143810.15265A-100000@discover>
does anyone else wish they had put a track break at every segue between "seasons" so it would have put the song in 7 tracks rather than one...kinda like "a mind beside itself". i know it is nt a big deal and not necesarily a reason for breaking up the song...but it would be out of convience to get to a certain section...but hey at least we have a studio version now..=)
******************************************************************************** Dirt Cheap Technology. ********************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Subconscious Dubs Message-ID: <199509211913.PAA48978@pilot07.cl.msu.edu>
I'm willing to dub Subcon as well. I've got a pretty nice system and I'm in East Lansing, MI. Just mail me and I'll let you know what to do. Who ever was compiling the list of dub sites, put me down. If anyone out there wants to trade a dub of the Kevin Moore demos or a disk copy of DT Interactive(I only have E-mail here.) for a dub of Subcon, please let me know. We'll work something out:).
Andrew Garinger garinger@pilot.msu.edu
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:18:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 957 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950921141414.15505B-100000@timon.acu.edu>
I'm not positive if I'm sending this to the right place, but am confident someone will let me know if I'm not. This is intended to be posted on the Ytsejam mailing list. I have noticed a few people asking about what is going to happend with the other songs from the Ronnie Scott's gig. Unfornately, I don't have an answer for that, but... I have the Mind Control bootleg cd which has "Tears" on it. It is not from the Ronnie Scott's show, but is still good. Mind Control is basically the same as Wake Up, except it has acoustic versions of The Silent Man and Tears as bonus tracks. If anyone is interested in a copy, let me know and we can work out a trade of some sort.
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 19:39:02 EDT From: rinverso@cosi.stockton.edu (Ryan Inverso) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 961 Message-ID: <memo.576718@cosi.stockton.edu>
Hello Jammers, Well here it is the day after ACoS came out and yes it is incredible. I've listened to it about 20 times already and every time I find a new "favorite part". Also I think that Derek will be a welcomed newcomer to the band. (Although something does seem missing without Kev.) I few ideas for marketing the album (I feel this album.....If done right can break the band wide open....) release one of the covers as a single; (I would do Love Lies Bleeding.....I think it's the most radio friendly song on the album) put another track from the UNcovered set on the B-side. With another song on the B-side all DT fans would purchase the single. (I know I would...I am always itching for new DT stuff) Since single sales never match album sales if each person who bought ACoS bought the single then maybe the radio stations may take notice and start playing the song....(If we all bought the single It would most likely end up in the top 60) Then the idoit drones who buy albums just because the radio plays it will buy the album and DT will finally get the recognition they deserve. This is only my opinion and I welcome others. I firmly belive that once the "Alternative" revoulution dies (my prediction is before next summer) The new revolution will take hold.....and the leaders?........DREAM THEATER!!!!!!!! Can't wait for '96, Ryan Inverso
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 12:39:39 -0700 From: srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT interactive Message-ID: <199509211939.MAA12901@wizard.qualcomm.com>
I've got a 486 with 4mgs of Ram and I have no problem with it!
Maybe it is just the machine?
Later
^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ John Hough srvrip@qualcomm.com
"Until I saw the desire for revenge, my heart never once went astray" "As long as I have to die in the attempt, then there is no reason" "To Live Forever" ---- Dream Theater ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 12:39:41 -0700 From: srvrip@qualcomm.com (John Hough) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACOS Poll Message-ID: <199509211939.MAA12909@wizard.qualcomm.com>
I am posting this again for anyone who might have missed it, Thanks to everyone who has replied.
This goes out to everyone who has bought ACOS already. (which better be all 971 of you!) I want imput on three things:
1. From 1-10, what do you give this CD?
2. Which section of the song ACOS is your favorite (I,II,III,IV,V,VI, or VII)?
3. Which cover is your favorite? (Please be specific, don't say just "Elton John" or "The Medley")
Please Email me personally. Thanks. -----------------------------------------------------------------
^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ John Hough srvrip@qualcomm.com
"Until I saw the desire for revenge, my heart never once went astray" "As long as I have to die in the attempt, then there is no reason" "To Live Forever" ---- Dream Theater ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:43:55 -0400 From: Rob Martino <martino@ctron.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Derek's keyboard sounds Message-ID: <199509211943.PAA05249@olympus.ctron.com>
Any keys players out there have any tips as to how Derek gets that unique crunching organ sound? I assume it is some sort of Hammond patch with some well-used effects, but my experiments with organ sounds and distortion never seem to come out right.
Rob Martino
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:34:52 -0600 From: amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACoS, How I became a fan Message-ID: <v01510102ac8788709983@[131.194.133.150]>
Hey all, It seems I can't read these 'jams as fast as they are sent these days, so forgive me if any of this seems dated. I got ACoS at Best Buy on Tuesday (I got the SM and Lie singles there, too... great place). I like the added parts, as compared to Subconscious, but I must admit the slower tempo will take some getting used to. I also like the samples from Dead Poet's Society. The covers are great, especially the Big Medley. I think the band made great choices of songs to do. This album will definitely tide me over till next year. How I became a fan... I don't remeber the _first_ time I heard PMU, but I remeber talking to my brother about it the second time I heard it. I thought it was OK (I still think it's OK). However, I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing the first time I heard TTT. I was sold after about the first minute. Within a few months of getting I&W, I got WDADU, LiT, and LATM. At that point, DT was starting to edge out Rush as my favorite band (not an easy task, mind you). When I heard AWAKE, the transition was complete.
Thanks for letting me share. Take it easy everyone. Adam
________________________________ Adam H. Marshall amarshal@physics.trinity.edu ________________________________
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: bunch of stuff Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9509211027.F1857-b100000@bdmserver>
ACOS rules!!!
How I got into DT: I remember being at a record store and seeing Images and Words by a band called Dream THeater and thinking, wow that is a cool name for a band. A few weeks later I heard this awesome slow song on 98 Rock (Baltimore) during the top 6 at 6. I think I remember hearing Pull Me Under also. So I went to alt.r-n-r.metal and asked about DT. There I was led to alt.r-n-r.metal.progressive. (Up to this point I had thought progressive metal would be like Hurl Jam or Nirvana, around here progressive is considered alternative). Then I had head that DT was coming to Hammerjacks. A guy at work had heard from a friend back at home that DT was the best band around. So we decided that we would go to the concert. About this time the Underground 103.1 (back when it rocked, now it plays crap) had DT as the band of the month and was playing DT a lot. I then decided to find Images and Words, but had a heck of a time finding a place that had it. I eventually did a week before the show. By the time of the show I was hoooked.
All I need to do now is to get my girlfriend to like DT as much as I do. It may be a hard thing to do....
Deep Purples Perfect Strangers is awesome. I recommend people checking it out if they haven't yet.
Oh well, I suppose I need to get back to work:(
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com **** ** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ** ** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ** **** GO REDSKINS!!!! Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons -out now ****
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@TIS.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 967 Message-ID: <3273.9509211551@ragnarok.tis.com>
> > Seriously folks, I just listened to the new cd, and fee kind of >dissapointed that the really cool neoclassical shred part around the 15 >minute mark had been taken out and replaced with something more slower, and >dare I say it. . . CONSERVATIVE!? Don't get me wrong, the cd is >really cool, but I have to admit, i kind of like the live version (of ACOS) >better, part wise. James' harmonizing is interesting, and the song itself >is good, but I REALLLY wish that Petrucci had gone a bit more nuts, melodic >wise. > Yeah, that is the part I have been talking about -- the harmonies and rhythms in that section were just fantastic and I miss them. It was such a cool jam! I don't really understand why they took it out. Still, the more I listen to it, the more I love this song! :-) Hm... I think I'll put it on again... 8^)
Steve
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:50:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Jim Dove <dove@rocinante.Colorado.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 967 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950921094322.28645A-100000@rocinante.Colorado.EDU>
> Cygnus comments > --------------- > I have only listened to it once, but I thought the sound quality > was really good, especially for a boot from that era. I don't like the > fadeouts, I would prefer the cuts. (Just because I am used to them on > tapes I have) Overall I think it is a quality project and definitely > better than most boots. Mike, you just need to be more exact and not > hype it so much, it is not better than R'n'R 92 or Pinkpop, but it is > definitely good. > > > Later, > > Mike Backof > > mbacko1@umbc.edu
This sums up my feelings exactly. I think that most negative responses given in alt.music.rush are due to them expecting R'n'R 92 quality or better since Cygnus was advertised as such. If Mike was more accurate with the description of the sound quality, most people wouldn't be dissapointed. I'm sure Mike did a great job in producing the CD, given the quality of the original tape, but most people probably haven't heard the tape so they didn't know what to expect (myself included). Therefore, Mike, you shouldn't lose sleep over wondering if you did a good job producing the CDs if you are more precise in explaining the sound quality and glitches BEFORE taking orders.
Jim Dove
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:53:52 -0500 From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Eve on the Web ?????? Message-ID: <9509211553.AA19577@ctcsunho.cummins.com>
Did you ever find EVE? I was the one that posted that it was on Ed's site. When you posted that it was not, I went to look. Lo, and behold....it was gone! I did have a chance to download it first, though. If you are still interested in it, I could get it to you...somehow. Let me know....
-Andy Stiles as459@ctc.cummins.com astil00@mail.cpbx.net __ O _ / \__@ _ __ /\ __ ___________(_)___ _ \__/ \_ _______(_)__, / \\ / \ / \___ (_) __/ ` ' _\__//_\__/__ ____/ / \ ________\__/^______ ''''''''''``''''''''' CYCLING ULTIMATE MOUNTAIN BIKING
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:51:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: More ACoS Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950921084422.29475A@forbin.syr.edu>
##Butt-head mode on##
You said it, Beavis. This kicks ass!!
##Butt-head mode off##
Everyone has said what I would say about it. It is by far my favorite composition (a little something for everybody). Two Portnoy points: 1)To Chris: I heard a snip of "6:00" from Wake Up!. It was much faster than the album version. On the whole, though, the band does slow the songs down significantly. LiT (Live In Tokyo) is a prime example of this. Even "Metropolis" at the Marquee is almost a chore to play to, as I'm so used to auto-piloting the percussion parts when playing to the album. It's really cool that a band can actually do that (I can't name one that does besides DT). 2)The snare sound: Mike thanks you!! He said at the clinic "I would not even get on the phone with Dave (Prater) until I knew that I'd be using a real snare sound. Needless to say, Mike did NOT find that triggered sound at all to his liking on IaW. ACoS kicks total ass! "Perfect strangers" rocks harder than I've ever heard Deep Purple do it. See y'all! I've got some practicing to do!
Damian Allis #8-p=
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 15:27:57 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: donews!nga Subject: Snares and so on... Message-ID: <9509211327.AA01106@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi from Germany again (at least it's stopped raining)
Now for another "has anybody noticed" story. HAN (new abbreviation folks) that Mike's snare on ACoS sounds a lot like the snare work by Bill Bruford on the older Yes stuff (crisp, sharp, precise). Also that some of Derek's keyboards sound like classic Wakeman/Emerson (like a leslied Hammond, raw and gutsy).
HAN (just so that you all see my creative abbreviation again) that this entry is just like a load of others...
And before I sign off for today, two music tips for all you Jammers. The first is an English band called Threshold. Very DT like: in fact they recently supported DT on a couple of surprise club dates over here. The second tip is Conception from Norway. Same overall direction, but I think somewhat heavier.
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Reality is a question of perspective; the further you get from the past, the more concrete and plausible it seems - but as you approach the present, it inevitably seems more and more incredible. Suppose yourself in a large cinema, sitting in the back row, and gradually moving up, row by row, until your nose is pressed against the screen. Gradually the stars' faces dissolve into dancing grain; tiny details assume grotesque proportions; the illusion dissolves - or rather, it becomes clear that the illusion itself is reality.
Salman Rushdie, Midnight's Children
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 12:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@TIS.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com Subject: Re: A "Thank You" letter to DT for ACOS Message-ID: <3444.9509211654@ragnarok.tis.com>
> > Hey everyone I had a thought that it would be cool to send DT a big > "Thank You" letter from us here on the Jam for putting out a release > for the fans (they definately didn't do it to get more air play :). So > what I propose is that we gather everybody's personal message to the > band (what ever you want to say about ACOS or anything else) along > with your name, ciy, state and email address. Then we can print up > five (or more) nice copies and send them to the band. I am sure they > will appreciate the support. > > I will take responsibility for assembling all of the messages (unless > somebody else really wants to), and then we can figure out how we > would all like this printed (maybe someone could contribute art work > or something). I am open for suggestions so let them fly! And once we > decide on exactly what we want to do, I'll start assembling the > messages (wait until then to send them to me). So, everyone, let me > know what you think and what your suggestions are... > >| Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) | >| mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com | >
I think this is a great idea that Mike has put forth! Gathering all of those requests to have them record ACoS might have helped bring it about so it's only appropriate that we thank them the same way. It would be a really cool thing to be able to send them a nice thick stack of "thank you" letters. I'll be sending my letter to Mike shortly.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: ACoS Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950921110054.126456A-100000@hal.mkm.aix.can.ibm.com>
Got ACoS on Tuesday...what can I say it is great! Highlights for me:
1) The entire 12th minute of ACoS...I still have a woody! 2) Yes, the vocal harmonies are cool... 3) I love Perfect Strangers....
'Nuff said...I'm sure there is enough ranting without my adding to it any more than I already have.
Greg.
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:06:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Boots Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950921140402.76902G-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
A lot of people seem to be asking about Dance of Eternity and other cool DT shit. Those of you that live close enough might want to check out a couple of places on L.I. Most notably, there's a store (whose name I FORGOT!) in Kings Park (Kevin's, John's, and John's hometown) that has bunches and bunches of DT stuff. I'll have to ask my drummer (who is also from Kings Park) the name of the place, but e-mail me if you think you'll be getting there soon.
-Chris
*************************************************************** * Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= * * The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall * * Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. * * "Bill, strange things are afoot at the Circle K." * * -Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure * ***************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan R. Licon" <yama@ecst.csuchico.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 968 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.950921113709.29172B-100000@guzzler.ecst.csuchico.edu>
To auzzy@mails.entpe.fr- Would love to get a hold of some Boots(videos and CDs).
I may sound stupid, but where I get the original ACOS. I love the whole new EP, and yes I like the snare. The only real complaint that I had was the vocals sounds vrey weak in the beginning. They dropped below all of the other sounds, it kind of made me mad.
Later! -----YAMA----
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT Discography Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.950921144023.2773B-100000@rpc31.gl.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
As of Wednesday, September 20th I am taking over (not forcibly mind you) the Dream Theater album discography. I am just handling the legal one containing singles, albums, EPs, and promotional stuff. I am going to include what I have so far, and I still need intro on the following:
1. Lie (CD single) 2. The Silent Man (CD single) 3. Caught in a Web (promo) (whoever just wrote about this mail me)
I will be uploading the discog to the digest about once a month, and I will mail it out on request. It will also be found on my WWW page within the next week and I will post the URL when it is up and running. Plus it will still be located at the FTP site at ftp.netcom.com in Dr. Mosh's directory of DT archives.
Please e-mail me at mbacko1@umbc.edu with comments, info, etc and not clutter up the digest. I will put the times of songs for Awake and ACOS over the weekend, please don't mail these to me. <grin>
Later,
Mike Backof
<< Proud to be part of Mike Portnoy's Toilet Reading!!! <grin> >>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ___ _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ | \| >|_ /\ |\/| | |_||_ /\ | |_ | > _|_/| \|_/ \| | | | ||_/ \ | |_ | \ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dream Theater DISCOGRAPHY Maintained by the FAQ folks - email mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu for more info.
------- LEGEND: LP - Record CT - Cassette CD - 5" Compact Disc C3 - 3" Compact Disc CS - Cassette Single 2CD - Double CD set V - VHS Video SV - S-Video LD - Laserdisc DCC - Pioneer Digital Compact Cassette MD - Sony Minidisc Brief discography ------------------ When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (All) LP, CT, CD Status Seeker, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (USA) CD Afterlife, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (USA) CD Images And Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CT, CD, MD, DCC (1994) Images And Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) LP, CT, CD Another Day/Status Seeker, 1993, WEA International (UK Only?) CS Another Day/Under A Glass Moon, 1993, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CS Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO Promotional (USA) V, SV Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Take The Time #2, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK) CD Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan) CD Live, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Images And Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V, LD Awake, 1994, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CT, CD, MD, DCC Lie, 1994 The Silent Man, 1995 A Change of Seasons, 1995, Eastwest/ATCO (USA) CT, CD
Extended discography ----------------------------------------
When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, Worldwide MCD42259/MCAD42259/D:QM-F:BM720 Members of the band: Vocals: Charlie Dominici Otherwise same
Side 1 - 1. A Fortune In Lies 5:10 2. Status Seeker 4:15 3. The Ytse Jam 5:43 4. The Killing Hand 8:40 I. The Observance II. Ancient Renewal III. The Stray Seed IV. Thorus V. Exodus Side 2 - 5. Light Fuse and Get Away 7:23 6. Afterlife 5:27 7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 8:04 8. Only a Matter of Time 6:35
Status Seeker, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, USA Promo CD single, mixed by Terry Brown (Rush)
1. Status Seeker (LP version) 4:15
Afterlife, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, USA Promo CD single, mixed by Terry Brown (Rush) 1. Afterlife (LP version) 5:27
Images And Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) 7567-92148-2 A known variant exists on cassette with a promotional cover. Members of the band: Vocals: James LaBrie Otherwise same
Side 1 - 1. Pull Me Under 8:11 2. Another Day 4:22 3. Take The Time 8:21 4. Surrounded 5:28 Side 2 - 5. Metropolis Part I (The Miracle and the Sleeper) 9:30 6. Under a Glass Moon 7:02 7. Wait For Sleep 2:31 8. Learning to Live 11:30
Images And Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) Need a catalog # (mine is a copy)
Another Day, 1993, WEA International, UK Only? Confirmation anyone? Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it) Cassette Single
Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22 Side 2 - Status Seeker (Live) 4:28
Another Day, 1991, Atlantic/ATCO, USA ATCO 4-98415 Cassette Single
Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22 Side 2 - Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02
Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5067 CD Single Two known variants exist missing one of the three tracks.
Pull Me Under (Edit) 4:39 Pull Me Under (MTV Edit) 4:48 Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11
Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it) Video
Pull Me Under (MTV Edit) 4:48 Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11
Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5069, 4949 CD Single Three known variants exist containing the same tracks, but in different packaging.
Take The Time (MTV Edit) 5:31 Take The Time (LP Version) 8:21
Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5077 CD Single
Another Day (LP Version) 4:21
Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5080 CD Single
Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02
Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5104 CD Single
Surrounded (LP Version) 5:29
Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK) 7567-92286-2/CA 835 CD EP Recorded in London, England, UK, April 1993
Metropolis 9:36 A Fortune In Lies 5:10 Bombay Vindaloo 6:48 Surrounded 6:00 Another Hand/The Killing Hand 10:30 Pull Me Under 8:42
Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan) ACM4-574 CD EP Identical to Germany/Holland/UK version Except: Substitute track: 4. Another Day 4:37
Live, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5340-2 CD Single 1. Pull Me Under (live) 8:42 2. Surrounded (live) 6:00 Both tracks taken from the EP "Live at the Marquee"
Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) 50537-3 Full-length video release (need times)
1. Arrival 0:31 2. Under A Glass Moon (live) 7:13 3. The making of Pull Me Under 3:03 4. Pull Me Under (video) 4:48 5. The making of Take The Time 2:15 6. Take The Time (video) 5:31 7. Kimonos and Tapes That Are Too Big 3:01 8. The Condoms of Dream Theater 1:02 9. The Interview 0:27 10. Wait For Sleep (live) --> 2:45 11. Surrounded (live) 5:54 12. The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo (live) 10:28 13. Balls and Chunk Are Where It's At 0:51 14. Another Day (video) 4:29 15. (To Live) Forever/Moon Bubbles (instrumental) (live) 12:05 16. A Fortune In Lies (live) 5:00 17. Mike Crosses the Abbey Road 1:11 18. Pup/Take The Time (live) 10:32 19. Take The Time by Galactic Cowboys 0:29 20. Take The Time by Sebastian Bach 0:25 21. Breast Signing 0:50 22. Pull Me Under (live) 8:29
Awake, 1994, Eastwest Records/Atlantic (USA) 90126-2 **Note** Scarred is omitted from cassette Band members same as for Images And Words
1. 6:00 2. Caught In A Web 3. Innocence Faded 4. A Mind Beside Itself I. Erotomania II. Voices III. The Silent Man 5. The Mirror 6. Lie 7. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 8. Scarred 9. Space Dye Vest
Lie, 1994, Eastwest Records/Atlantic CD Single
The Silent Man, 1995, Eastwest Records/Atlantic CD Single
A Change of Seasons, 1995, EastWest Records/Atlantic (USA) 61842-2 Band Members: Keyboards: Derek Sherinian Otherwise same as Awake
Side 1 - 1. A Change of Seasons I. The Crimson Sunrise II. Innocence III. Carpe Diem IV. The Darkest of Winters V. Another World VI. The Inevitable Summer VII. The Crimson Sunset 2. Funeral For a Friend / Love Lies Bleeding 3. Perfect Strangers 4. The Rover / Achilles Last Stand / The Song Remains the Same 5. The Big Medley I. In the Flesh? II. Carry On Wayward Son III. Bohemian Rhapsody IV. Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin V. Cruise Control VI. Turn It On Again
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