YTSEJAM digest 979

From: ytsejam@arastar.com
Date: Sun Sep 24 1995 - 15:18:13 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 979

    Today's Topics:

      1) new adress
     by ehuisman@xs4all.nl (Eddy Huisman)
      2) Better run for cover...
     by kylania@mail.top.net
      3)
     by kylania@mail.top.net
      4) asdf
     by eric hicks <jonin@vnet.net>
      5) (no subject)
     by Unverified Mail User <nobody@yale.edu>
      6) DT tribute band...
     by mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
      7) U2 Song, Phish and Fish, Ughhh
     by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
      8) A fishy apology
     by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
      9) two cents
     by mike.olekshy@bbs.logicnet.com (Mike Olekshy)
     10) Re: DT in general
     by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
     11) Fates Warning - NDTC
     by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
     12) DT fan club
     by dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer)
     13) SDV sample
     by psifire@netcom.com (Mathew W. Yee)
     14) Question...
     by "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu>
     15) Fish
     by "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu>
     16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 972
     by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
     17) Iron Maiden/X Factor
     by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
     18) wow
     by Tim Jensen <jensen@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
     19) ACoS out in public, Assorted junk...
     by "Craig Newmeyer" <the-vorlon@e-mail.com>
     20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 968
     by larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten)
     21) Please!
     by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
     22) rosebuds
     by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
     23) Ivory Gate of Dreams
     by Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:11:53 +0100
    From: ehuisman@xs4all.nl (Eddy Huisman)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: new adress
    Message-ID: <657.6473T1348T1193@xs4all.nl>

    Hi Jammers,

    Don't know if you know me but I'm the guy who was doing the DT poll. An
    updated version will be posted to the Jam real soon but this message is
    just to let you know I have a new email adress. I will receive mail on
    my old adress untill 30 september though. The new adress is :

    102354.334@compuserve.com

    Carpe Diem :)

         __ __ __ __
        / `-' / ,,, Eddy Huisman ... \ `-' \
        |[====|||||||||||[:::} ****************** {:::]|||||||||||====]|
        \__.-._\ `102354.334@compuserve.com'' /_.-.__/

    Copyright the Intergalactic Thought Association

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 06:12:03 -0500
    From: kylania@mail.top.net
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Better run for cover...
    Message-ID: <199509241112.GAA03275@dns.top.net>

     porthos@cy-net.net (Jerry George) wrote:

    >This guy kicks Kevin's ass on keyboards.

            Man, that is some DANGEROUS stuff to be saying... and on the 'Jam of
    all places! :P

    *ducks flying Kevin lovers*
    :o

    dave
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    Innocence caressing me
    I never felt so young before
    There was so much life in me
    Still I longed to search for more...
    Ignorance surrounding me
    I've never felt so filled with fear
    All my life's been drained from me
    The end is drawing near...

    Mike Portnoy - A Change of Seasons - Innocence
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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 06:16:54 -0500
    From: kylania@mail.top.net
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Message-ID: <199509241116.GAA03288@dns.top.net>

    >Dream Theater Uncovered Gig
    >at Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club
    > January 31, 1995
    >---------------------------

    > Tori Amos Winter

            Is there really a version of Winter as good a quality as the ACoS
    covers????? If so where is it!?!?!?!?!

    Tori is absolutly wonderful!!!

    dave
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    Innocence caressing me
    I never felt so young before
    There was so much life in me
    Still I longed to search for more...
    Ignorance surrounding me
    I've never felt so filled with fear
    All my life's been drained from me
    The end is drawing near...

    Mike Portnoy - A Change of Seasons - Innocence
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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:06:11 -0400
    From: eric hicks <jonin@vnet.net>
    To: "'ytsejam@arastar.com'" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
    Subject: asdf
    Message-ID: <01BA8A5D.18F7E200@spot.vnet.net>

    suscribe ytsejam eric hicks

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 11:05:25 -0700
    From: Unverified Mail User <nobody@yale.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: (no subject)
    Message-ID: <199509241505.LAA08295@aeternitas.cis.yale.edu>

    Please include me on you mailing list...
    Jim BeSaw
    Yale University
    PO Box 202393
    New Haven, CT 06520

    jbesaw@minerva.cis.yale.edu

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:15:06 -0400
    From: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
    To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>, ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: DT tribute band...
    Message-ID: <199509241415.KAA28960@cs.brandeis.edu>

    I was just reading the Van Halen digest, and caught this post from someone
    in Australia...

    >From: Grant Fisher <gfisher@netspace.net.au>
    >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:38:17 +1000
    >Subject: Re: Heard VH at the bar lately?
    >
    >Well, I don't go out too much anymore, but last Friday I had one of the
    >best nights I've had in a while. We saw a band called "Theatre Of Dreams"
    >who are a Dream Theatre tribute band, and BOY WERE THEY GOOD!! If you're

    Any of our Australian readers ever hear of them? Are they any good?

    --
    +----------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
    | We can learn from the past | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin     |
    | But those days are gone    +---------------+ Brandeis University |
    | We can hope for the Future |  A Change Of  +---------------------+
    | But there may not be one   |    Seasons    | Here we go STEELERS |
    +----------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
         For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
                 http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
    

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: U2 Song, Phish and Fish, Ughhh Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.950924120623.3328C-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>

    Hello Again Jammers!

    U2 Song ------- Dream Theater played Red Hill Town at the covers show. I think the rest of the set list that was posted in the last digest was complete. I just posted the list to the Usenet because people kept asking about it,

    Phish and Fish -------------- For the individual who says that Phish blows, well you haven't heard the live recording yet. It is really cool, lots of improv and jamming, jazz, spacy, rockin. lots of influences show through. I don't really care much for their studio work.

    Fish (former Marillion lead singer) really hasn't produced too much interesting material in the last few years IMO. His work with Marillion was great stuff, and his first solo album is good, but the great Fishy one seems to being trying too much to be liked by the mainstream and he is at his best musically when he is cursing people and pissed off. I have to agree with Steve Rothery's assessment of Fish, "He sounds like Phil Collins (as a solo artist) now."

    Once again I have another digest -------------------------------- This is fun, Portnoy is going to have to take a lot of shits to catch up with us now. <grin>

    Later,

    Mike

    mbacko1@umbc.edu

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 13:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: A fishy apology Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950924131102.3228796B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>

    Please forgive my ignorance on the subject of Marillion (sp?). I never even heard of them until this recent thread of conversation on the Jam. Okay, okay. So, now I know who Fish is. I'm going to spend about half of my next paycheck at the record store anyway, so if I see any Fish/Marillion, I'll get some.

    BTW: Phish does not suck. Maybe I'm weird because I can go from DT to REM to Anthrax to Dave Matthews (you should SEE my CD collection!), but I just consider myself open to many types of music. After all, I'm a musician. If you keep playing or listening to the same thing, you don't grow.

    Man, I'm wearing the shit out of this soapbox. Anyone got an extra?

    -Chris (I may be wrong, but I sound like I know what I'm talking about. Isn't that all that really matters?)

    *************************************************************** * Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= * * The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall * * Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. * * "I'm not a number. I'm a free man!" * * "The Prisoner," Iron Maiden * ***************************************************************

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:39:44 From: mike.olekshy@bbs.logicnet.com (Mike Olekshy) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: two cents Message-ID: <198627.950924.113944@bbs.logicnet.com>

    hello jammers!

    Ive been lurking for quite some time now. With the release of the EP I thought now is a good time for my first post.

    ACOS absolutely rules. The more I listen to it, the more blown away I am.

    It's been interesting reading everybody's critique of this new studio version. I guess DT should have gotten ytsejammers to produce ACOS instead of Prater.

    Which brings me to a cool idea. Wouldn't it be awesome if DT could release a cd-rom interactive version of the song. They could have recorded all the parts they have had in the song before plus the new parts, and then we could cut and paste together the "perfect" version. Think of it: replacing Portnoy's piccolo snare sound (which BTW i love) with the triggered I&W sound; or adding in the "Please Don't Go" part; or that classical part thats missing from this version.

    Hell, maybe Kevin could have played on it too, and we could choose between him and Derek - or mix and match them both!

    Then all ytsejammers could have their own ultimate version of ACOS.

    what do you guys think?

    later Mike Olekshy

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 15:15:58 EDT From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT in general Message-ID: <9509241915.AA20799@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>

    > I don't understand why they WASTED so much valuable time on the covers. I > would personally have rather heard DT material (instrumentals I & II, for > example). They didn't do the covers for fans as much as they did it as a tribute to the bands that they enjoyed while they were growing up. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), they weren't even planning on releasing the stuff until they decided to do ACoS (for us :). And why would you call it wasting time? I personally enjoy listening to it. :) Chris

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:37:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> To: DT:;@donews.uucp Subject: Fates Warning - NDTC Message-ID: <01HVNQY7UNGY001FUM@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>

    hello ytsejammers

    someone posted here about a new member of fates and i was hoping that you could post his name again AND who he replaced (!)

    not being familiar with the band this guy was from i dont know what he plays :)

    ******************************************************************************* Anthony Kozar "Organ playing is the Univ. of Toledo manifestation of a will 3208B I House filled with a vision of eternity." akozar@UofT02.utoledo.edu -- Charles-Marie Widor http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/ (1844-1937)

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:58:14 +0600 From: dief@vt.edu (Brian K. Diefenderfer) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT fan club Message-ID: <m0swy6H-00006jC@donews.cts.com>

    "On another subject, many people, including meeself, seem to have trouble getting a pulse out of the DT fan club. With tired eyes, I scanned the liner..."

    You're not the only one. I sent in something about 2 weeks after Awake came out and I haven't heard anything since... kinda sucks!

    BTW, I picked up ACoS last night (finally) and I'm thouroughly impressed. Having never heard the live version of ACoS I suppose that I'm not missing the improv parts. I don't mind the snare sound b/c I think that it gives it plenty of punch, but it seems to change slightly after TCS section, does anybody else notice this or is it just me??? I'd also like to thank the producers for including the bass parts (as opposed to I&W) on this album!!!

    Dief...

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:37:21 -0700 From: psifire@netcom.com (Mathew W. Yee) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: SDV sample Message-ID: <199509242137.OAA23234@netcom17.netcom.com>

    I'm not sure if anyone else found this one or not, but I just ran across the source of one of the SDV samples from Kevin's demo tape.

    During what sounds like a channel surf sample, there's a guy telling a girl something about a difference in age:

    "Look...uhh...you're 21, and I'm 33." "Are you trying to say you don't want to see me again?" "No...no, no, no. Absolutely not.....yes. "Age doesn't matter."

    I was surfing during a commercial brake during the Raiders/Rams game when I came across an episode of "Full House." Turns out the sample is Bob Saget talking to some girl he was dating. She was dancing to some music with the oldest daughter in the show when he comes in fuming about the loud music.

    Weird what you can discover by channel surfing. :)

    -- !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@# ^ Mathew W. Yee & * "Through nature's inflexible grace, psifire@netcom.com ! I'm learning to live." @ CAA E-mail Administrator # Dream Theater $ !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Question... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950924174346.1374B-100000@gamera.syr.edu>

    Quick! How do I get the previous jams from the listserv? Someone posted it a while ago, but I forgot it.

    Thanks in advance Damian #8-)=

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Fish Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950924144041.13711A@forbin.syr.edu>

    Fish is a nice guy, if you don't mind hearing 5 released versions of "Kaleigh."

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 18:49:27 British Summer Time--100 From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 972 Message-ID: <m0swzsH-0001gtC@crash.cts.com>

    Had to comment on this:

    << (in this vein, even though i'm not too crazy about pearl jam, i do feel bad for their early core fans who got swamped by success of this type. >>

    I was listening to Pearl Jam for a month before the video for "Alive" was ever released. Nonconformist that I am, six months later I quit wearing the one PJ shirt that I had because people were accusing me of jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else. I rarely listen to any of the material these days, but I still really like _Ten_ and _Vs._. Can't listen to prog/power metal *all* the time. I haven't even been listening to it all that much the past couple of months, with the exception of "ACOS". I think PJ really lost something with _Vitalogy_, though; I was not impressed in the least.

    Repeat of a story I told the last time someone asked this question: when I was living up in Rochester, NY, I used to listen to 96 WCMF, the local rock n' roll station. (until I discovered a much better college station, 90.7 WGCC.) Around Sept. of 1992, I kept hearing this totally awesome song, "Pull Me Under". I had no idea who the band was (because the damned DJs would never say), but I kept cranking up the volume every time I heard it. When a DJ finally announced the name of the band, I went out and bought _Images_ and that was the end of that.

    Jaime the Dragon, procrastinating editing a paper for English.

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam ) Subject: Iron Maiden/X Factor Message-ID: <199509242322.TAA00852@grex.cyberspace.org>

    To anyone who likes Iron Maiden as well as DT:

    Iron Maiden "X Factor" Will be released Oct. 3 1995

    I have 5 Promotional posters of this album for anyone who want to trade. Also, ask for a copy of my updated bootlist. All my trades have been completed and I am looking to do some more.

    -John

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:49:51 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Jensen <jensen@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> To: YTSEJAM Digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: wow Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950924174115.19713A-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>

    I'll try to keep this short.

    I've basically finished my rendering of the Majesty symbol. You can see it at various (320x240, 640x480, and 800x600) resolutions on my home page (see .sig for URL). Also, watch for an MPEG movie of the symbol rotating on the alt.binaries.multimedia newsgroup. If you can't get newsgroups I'm willing to send it you via email...just let me know, and be prepared for a huge message (the .MPG is over 500K).

    Does anyone else get the chills when he/she listens to the beginning of "Funeral For A Friend"? I do, especially when the guitar makes its entrance. What a rush!

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 21:46:07 EDT From: "Craig Newmeyer" <the-vorlon@e-mail.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACoS out in public, Assorted junk... Message-ID: <9509250143.AA28641@anthor.arastar.com>

    Hello everyone! How the hell are ya?

    I thought I would share this little DT story with you... I was in the mall the other day and I happened to walk past Harmony House. I heard 2 notes and was paralyzed in my tracks... They were actually playing A Change of Seasons!!!! Well, of course I had to go in to listen to it... and compliment teh employees on their good taste in music. It was towards the end of Carpe Diem and everyone was drumming to the beat on the counters and whatever they could find. It was cool because everyone in the store seemed to be into it! Oh... and I actually found the CD for soundtrack of 'Legend'! It was a good day. The clerk said 'That's a great soundtrack! It's about time they released it on CD!' I said 'Absolutely... And I must say... You guys have great taste in music!' Anyway, that's my little story...

    Hello from Hiroshima! I just made the long trip Saturday! (Hell of a long trip!) I can't wait to get out of my meetings and head for the music store!

    To Matt (Sirois?): 'Bombay Vindaloo' Kicks Ass!!!! Love it! It kind of reminds me of 'Xanadu' by Rush... When I saw Rush live, I was hoping they would play Xanadu... And to my delight, they did! It ruled... Anyway, they sound very similar to me.... And they Rule!

    To Mike (Patrick?): On that 'frieght train' thing... Yeah, that kicks ass! Is that one of the coolest things you've heard or what! ..Oh, any relation to Dan Patrick of Sportscenter fame? He's great!

    And randomly... I think Derek did a pretty good job. I'm a huge fan of Kevin though.... I guess the jury will be in around the Spring of '96...

    I had a long flight to listen to my DT library (probably the only thing that made it bearable), and every time I hear ACoS I love it even more! Especially Another World and Carpe Diem!

    Well, gotta go for now...

    See ya!

    Craig .............................. "Adesso che ho perso la vista,. Ph: 313-337-5671 ..ci vedo meglio e di piu".... Fx: 313-323-8706

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    Date: 23 Sep 95 11:53:26 -0400 From: larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 968 Message-ID: <fb6_9509240745@tor250.org>

    What's this about the ACOS cover not having the Majesty symbol, nor WDADU? Whoever posted that, you need to have your eyes examined. :) The Majesty logo is there, quite blatantly on the kid's sand bucket (well, maybe not obvious at first, but you know they'd have to stick it in there somewhere). As for WDADU, well, the logo is present about 2-3 times on the front and back. -- |Fidonet: Lars Hellsten 1:250/320 |Internet: larsh@tor250.org

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:23:12 -0700 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Please! Message-ID: <199509250623.XAA19671@ix.ix.netcom.com>

    This is multipart MIME message.

    --phcxafhptnkfsicnwsauiwixniwrum Content-Type:text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="NCZ1F06.TMP"

    Plese read attached.

    --phcxafhptnkfsicnwsauiwixniwrum Content-Type:text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="00000029.msg"

    From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 971 To: ytsejam@arastar.com

    >2)The snare sound: Mike thanks you!! He said at the clinic "I >would not even get on the phone with Dave (Prater) until I knew that >I'd be using a real snare sound. Needless to say, Mike did NOT find >that triggered sound at all to his liking on IaW.

    Why is everyone now saying they don't like the sampled/triggered drum sounds on I&W?? I thought the drums sounded excellent. Maybe Mike P. doesnt't like them because it's hard to replicate that sound on the road. Who knows? I&W put these guys on the charts lest we forget. I&W was DT's swansong album-wise - the best to date.

    I believe a studio production by a band is like a painting by a graphic artist. It is controlled, a work of art. Different hues, royal blues, the careful stroke of the brush and, well you know the rest.... I love the production/engineering of I&W, nice warm drum sound, I've played acoustic drums for 24 years now and I like the natural too. But Led Zep, Yes and a number of other bands did work in the studio they could only imitate on stage. That doesn't take away from the bands talent.

    The drum sound on WDADU is something to gripe about, though I do like the drums on Awake.

    I wonder if Kevin (I miss him) would have stayed with the band if they kept going in the same direction as I&W. I.E. the varied tracks, acoustic piano, guitar and of course the sax! I was attracted to DT for the contrast in their style from track to track. Didn't see that as much on Awake, though I do love that CD.

    Space Dye Vest should not of been put on Awake, a waste of space. Besides it's depressing and it gave me the feeling that Kevin was feeling sorry for himself because of their musical differences. Of course this is my opinion and don't offer any apologies, after all this is one of the reasons we're on this list anyway, opinions, right?

    >"Perfect strangers" rocks harder than I've ever heard Deep Purple do >it. I agree!

    Michael C.

    --phcxafhptnkfsicnwsauiwixniwrum--

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    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:28:05 -0700 From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: rosebuds Message-ID: <199509250628.XAA08112@atlas.earthlink.net>

    Just thought you would like to see the complete poem:

    "To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time"

    Gather ye rosebuds while ye may. Old time is still a-flying; And this same flower that smiles today, Tomarrow will be dying.

    The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun, The higher he's a-getting, The sooner will his race be run, And nearer he's to setting.

    The age is best which is the first, When youth and blood are warmer; But being spent, the worse, and worst Times still succeed the former.

    Then not be coy, but use you time, And while ye may, go marry; For having lost but once your prime, You may forever tarry. Robert Herrick

    You can interpret this poem a number of ways,the day. i> > >The Missing part is from the poem that was recited in the "Carpe Diem" part. >The poem is by Robert Herrick, I forgot the name tho... anyhow it was in >"Dead Poet's Society", a cool flick w. Robin Williams!! COOL! >The Missing lyrics are: "gather ye rose-buds while ye may..." > >Bear > >-- > Gather ye rose-buds while ye may, > Old time is still a-flying: > And this same flower that smiles to-day, > To-morrow will be dying. > > -Robert Herrick > > >> James Garrett ________________________________ jpgarrett@earthlink.net

    "Because I had found it hard to attend to anything less interesting than my own thoughts, I was difficult to teach." William Butler Yeats (Autobiographies)

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    Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 03:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ivory Gate of Dreams Message-ID: <199509250713.DAA02383@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>

    With ACoS being 23+ minutes there's been a lot of talkon the jam about the art of composing a long song, as well as the mentioning of other long songs from Rush and the like. Sadly, and perhaps criminally, no one mentioned "Ivory Gate of Dreams" by Fates Warning. At 21.58 I'd certainly call it long, and it's definitly progressive. And like ACoS it has an acoustic intro/outro (maybe even better than the one in ACoS). At around 10.30 there's a beautiful piano solo, which is later repeated on the guitar towards the end of the song. Definitely worth checking out... Sorry to all thos loyal FW fans who knew this already (I hope there's a lot of you). When the Revolution is over, you will be richly rewarded. Okay, DT content. The official explanation of Space-Dye Vest (probably common knowledge, but here goes): "It was inspired by... I was looking through a clothing catalog & saw a picture of a girl modeling this piece of clothing called a space dye vest. and, so, I fell in love with her [laughs] for some strange reason &so the minute I did that, the minute I was just like obsessed w/this person, I was like, 'whay am I doing that?' & I noticed I was doing it a lot lately. And I think the prime reason that I was doing that, and this is what I figured out at the time, was that I had just come out of a relationship where I'd gotten dumped, basically, and so I think the situation was that I wasn't finished giving all that I was ready to give, so I was jsut like, throwing it around, you know, just aiming it in diferent directions. It was a total case of projection. And this song is just trying to sort it out & just kind of admitting htat I'm just kind of lost. so it's kind of a dark song. It was ver cathartic though." - Kevin Moore, Japanese interview There you go. I can relate, lots of emotion, well written, the man is a god (as is everyone in DT). Anyway... Once again, does anyone on this list listen to Anacrusis? There must be other fans somewhere!

    Long live the Revolution. Matt

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