YTSEJAM Digest 954
Today's Topics:
1) Videos?
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
2) A Change of Seasons GIVEAWAY
by mc@cnotes.com
3) Cool idea!!
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
4) Re: subconscious dub site opening!
by polzin edward george <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 952
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
6) Um....
by Mike Patrick <mpatrick@netusa1.net>
7) brain dead DT fan?
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Subcon dub sites
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
9) Re: Fastidious Trappings: NDTC
by sjensen@research.westlaw.com
10) Countdown To...
by "Brian K. Adams" <aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu>
11) Sub CD
by Darren Freed <dfreed@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
12) Help!!
by tdunn@legend.txdirect.net (Trey Dunn)
13) Re: Rush an DT similarities
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
14) Re: Space Dye Vest
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) resales/dubs of Subconscious
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
16) Loss...
by dgswanston@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu (Rain King)
17) Re: EVE
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
18) Re: subconscious dub site opening!
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 953
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
20) Re: subconscious dub site opening!
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
21) ACoS
by Wilco Barg <WBG@suppcent.ges.getronics.nl>
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 952
by Stefan Nummer <S.Nummer@trier.fh-rpl.de>
23) In response to a non-Rush fan
by curth@execpc.com
24) re Rush and DT
by "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu>
25) ACOS again?
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
To: DT List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Videos?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9509141922.B82605-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
All right, now that ACoS is basically "happening", what are we gonna have
to tide us over until spring? Weren't there videos done for Lie, CiaW,
and The Silent Man? I don't think they made them just to have them for
themselves! How about slapping them on a video along with some Ronnie
Scotts footage?!! What the heck, Elektra!! Go for it!
Or we could start a petition or something. It's not like that hasn't
worked before!!
My $.02,
Brian
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:30:11 -0400
From: mc@cnotes.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: A Change of Seasons GIVEAWAY
Message-ID: <v02110125ac7e2f6063c3@[168.100.204.2]>
First off, thanks to all who replied with suggestions regarding the best
way for me to unload a couple of dozen full-length promo CDs of _A Change
of Seasons_.
Here's the deal:
1. Saunter over to the C NOTES web site (before Wednesday 9/20) and
download the Dream Theater 2-minute cover song compilation.
2. Write a mini-review/paragraph (or more) of your first impressions.
3. Email your name, address, and review to me (mc@cnotes.com) and post it
to any three of the following newsgroups: alt.music.led-zeppelin,
alt.music.genesis, alt.music.queen, alt.music.deep-purple,
alt.fan.elton-john, alt.music.pink-floyd (let me know to which groups you
posted).
I will then randomly select 20 names by next Thursday.
Cheers,
Mike
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 22:00:21 EST
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Cool idea!!
Message-ID: <9509142200.D2048LV@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Who here is from Atlanta Ga?? Boston MA? Nashville TN? New
Orleans LA? Write me: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
Oh...for those of you who have the DT window stickers...here is a nice
idea:
If you have extra stickers then cut out the (middle) DT
symbol...since there are no words(backwards)..then you can put that
sticker anywhere!!!
Don't forget to call your LOCAL radio station and request the NEW
DT cd! Vow to call 3 times a week or something like that. I will! see
visit: http://www.dreamt.org
see ua
ya
market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:32:23 -0600 (CDT)
From: polzin edward george <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: subconscious dub site opening!
Message-ID: <199509150232.AA13544@meibm23.cen.uiuc.edu>
If Mike agrees with this I am willing to open a dub site also. I'm located in
in the mid-west (champaign il). Email me for info.
Ed Polzin
>
> Julie writes:
> >I think I joined this list right after "Subconscious" came out, so I
> >wasn't able to get a copy. But it sounds really cool (esp. if it has
> >"Winter" - the Tori Amos song - on it), & I'm wonderin' if anyone
> >would be willing to make me a copy if I supply the tape & postage.
>
> Man....I think it's really F**KED up that someone has the audacity to
> sell a copy of Subconscious for more that he paid for it. Yeah, they're
> rare, but Mike Bahr made them because of his love for DT's music. He
> made almost nothing for all the work he put in to the project.
>
> Personally, I think we should handle this sort of like Kevin's demo
> tapes were handled with a bunch of dub sites open around the world.
>
> Anyway, I'm willing to manage a dub site list if anyone else is willing
> to do tapes in addition to me. I'm only going to make a few tape copies
> of my CD (#68 cause I owe Mike one :). I don't have a great stereo, but it
> will make decent copies. If you want one, e-mail me. I'm located in
> San Jose, California, and if other dub sites open, I'll handle Northern
> California.
>
> --
> !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#
> ^
> Mathew W. Yee &
> * "Through nature's inflexible grace,
> psifire@netcom.com ! I'm learning to live."
> @
> CAA E-mail Administrator # Dream Theater
> $
> !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!@#
>
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:17:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 952
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950914230745.185374A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
> > i can. RIP Cliff....
>
> Whoa! I never even thought about that. Man, you're right. Their sound did
> change on And Justice. Darn. I hope this doesn't happen to DT. I don't
> think so, but Kevin's departure still worries me. Well, maybe worry isn't
> the right word. Concern? Well, I'll be psyched to hear the studio ACOS with
> Derek.
I wouldn't worry. The reason Justice sounds so different is that there
was NO bass! And why? Because Newkid just doubled the guitar lines.
The only reason you hear bass on the black album is because Bob Rock (of
all people) taught him how to play! Now, Derek knows his shit on the
boards. He'll sound just fine.
> oh yeah, mike said that he is having another clinic on long island monday,
> so everyone up there show up with your camcorders and/or DATs :)
That figures. I spent my first 23 years on that god-forsaken island. I
move to Vermont for a month, and now Mike's doing a drum clinic. Just
fucking perfect.
Oh, well.
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* Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= *
* The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall *
* Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. *
* *
* * Will work for bass strings * *
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:30:19 -0400
From: Mike Patrick <mpatrick@netusa1.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Um....
Message-ID: <199509150414.XAA02229@web.netusa1.net>
>There are NO similarities between DT and Rush, musically speaking...
>Rush sucks!!!! They have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Alright, who turned off the Fucking Idiot Filter ?????
Mike Patrick
mpatrick@netusa1.net
Still searching for that elusive corner of the Net where civility is all the
rage and the content is substantive. Ah, screw it. Who am I kidding?
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:59:31 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: brain dead DT fan?
Message-ID: <v01510101ac7eb57ce36e@[199.232.46.229]>
And Jose Marcel Berto de Souza <master@fee.unicamp.br> though he wasn't
gonna get flamed for...
> There are NO similarities between DT and Rush, musically
> speaking... Rush sucks!!!! They have nothing to do with each
> other!!!! By the way, let's stoping saying that DT is a
> progressive band. DT is a METAL band!!!!!! Listen to
> Petrucci's , Portnoy's and Myung's sound and you'll see what
> heavy metal means... Sorry to all the Rush fans, but DT is
> the best ...
Listen pal. Rush is a major influence on Petrucci, Portnoy and Myung (not
to mention me :). Rush is an excellent band. If you can't hear the
similarities, that's your own problem. And I would say that the only
similarities between DT and Rush are musical, too. But the musical ones are
many. You obviously haven't listened to Rush too much to even make a
comment like that. And knowing that there a LOT of Rush fans on this list,
then saying something like that is just the opposite of cool. If you want
to think that Rush sucks, keep it to yourself. I love Rush. They're my
favorite band. They're incredible. If you gave them a listen, you'd know
that they don't suck. As for DT being a metal band. Oh brother. Let's just
pull out the big metal tunes. Another Day, Silent Man, Wait for Sleep,
Space Dye Vest. How many metal bands have keyboard players? Oh jeez. I
can't believe I even replied to this. Must be a joke or a brain dead DT
fan.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net +
+ http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html +
+----------------------------------------------------------+
+ Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at +
+ http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html +
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:59:35 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Subcon dub sites
Message-ID: <v01510102ac7eb75c5448@[199.232.46.229]>
> Anyway, I'm willing to manage a dub site list if anyone else
> is willing to do tapes in addition to me. I'm only going to
> make a few tape copies of my CD (#68 cause I owe Mike one
> :). I don't have a great stereo, but it will make decent
> copies. If you want one, e-mail me. I'm located in San
> Jose, California, and if other dub sites open, I'll handle
> Northern California.
Alright. I'll do one too. I'm in Massachusetts. I don't have a smokin'
stereo either but it makes descent tapes of CDs. I think everyone should
hear the Subcon version of ACOS. How's this work then? People send me a
tape and I dub it and send it back? Should people send me the postage for
return? It think it's 2 or 3 dollars plus an envelope (I could use the one
you sent).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net +
+ http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html +
+----------------------------------------------------------+
+ Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at +
+ http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:04:20 -0500
From: sjensen@research.westlaw.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Fastidious Trappings: NDTC
Message-ID: <9509150504.AA26760@research.westlaw.com>
I'm quite interested in your tape offer. Some of the artists you mentioned
are ones that I haven't taken a chance on yet so I'd like to hear them first.
Could you send me your address please.
Thanks,
Scott Jensen sjensen@research.westlaw.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:54:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Brian K. Adams" <aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Countdown To...
Message-ID: <199509150454.AAA04100@ra.cs.ohiou.edu>
I've noticed in the recent past everyone starting their own countdowns
until thier local record store (whichever that may be) will be selling
ACoS. Although I also feel ACoS is a big event (I also will be speeding to
the record store) but don't forget the OTHER Dream Theater CD released
this month..........ACOUSTIC DREAMS.
If you haven't ordered it you better soon (shameless publicity plug for
Mike Bahr).
Here's to the only month this year that has 2 DT CD's released in it!
---Brian
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:20:19 -0600 (MDT)
From: Darren Freed <dfreed@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sub CD
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950914151429.152599B-100000@gpu3.srv.ualberta.ca>
Hello all,
I have a new bid for the Subconscious CD I am trying to sell. Steve
Balderrama at giskard@ix.netcom.com bid $75 US. I am soory, but I just
realized that I didn't give the number of the CD: it is #191, and is in
perfect condition. I am sorry for not telling you all this earlier! :P
Anyways, if you would like to bid, please e-mail me directly, as I am
still not receiving the 'jam. (i don't know what's up....)
Thanks again for your interest and patience.
Darren
dfreed@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:18:31 -0500
From: tdunn@legend.txdirect.net (Trey Dunn)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Help!!
Message-ID: <9509150418.AA09741@legend>
Help! I have been trying to get a copy of kevin Moore's tape that is
floating around. I have tried the only two dub sites in my erea and one
didn't respond and one said that they were closed. I really want a copy of
that album and am about to do something drastic if I don't get a hand on
that tape soon!! Ant suggestions? Anyone have one that they would be willing
to dub for me?? Anyone know of a dub sight near me that I have not tried? I
live in San Antonio, Texas. Thanks again for any help you can offer me.
________________________________________________________________
| | |
| Trey Dunn | The jester takes his bows |
| "The Treyminator" | Flips into the crowd |
| Email: Tdunn@txdirect.net | As the actors fade away |
| | Another death to mourn |
| | Another child is born |
| | Another chapter in the play |
| | |
| | Savatage-"Gutter Ballet" |
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 1:17:00 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Rush an DT similarities
Message-ID: <9509150517.AA01078@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
All right. I have a small problem with the Rush sucks guy. If you haven't
noticed, DT is heavily influenced by rush. Check the Dream Theater Faq under
the question about influences. By the way, DT is not metal. They have metal
components to their sound, but they are always progressive first, and metal
second. Get your facts straight.
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 1:19:58 EDT
From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Space Dye Vest
Message-ID: <9509150519.AA25780@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Can I just say one thing? SDV has a very depressing sound to it. I am not
nocking the song, I have noticed that musically, it's almost like a funeral
march. I always imagine hearing that song in a movie when someone is dying
and is speaking his last words. Call me weird, but that's what I think. It's
a great song, though.
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:43:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: resales/dubs of Subconscious
Message-ID: <199509150543.WAA08402@bud.indirect.com>
I just wanted to mention, since I might not have, that it's
totally OK to dub Subconscious for anyone and everyone, under any
conditions. After all, they won't get one of the rare collector CDs, but
they'll get to hear the music. Since it was hard enough to get when it
was in print, it's really not fitting of me to make it any harder _now_
for people to hear the material. All I ask is that you approach other
Jammers for copies as I'm busy on the current CDs. :)
With regard to people selling the Sub Cds at a high price... well
I guess I'm an evil capitalist because I'm not even worrying about it. If
a price is too high, nobody will pay it, and the problem solves itself.
If the sale _does_ get made, then apparently the price was reasonable. I
don't get anything out of it when someone re-sells Subconscious, so for
all I care, people could be paying for it with the giant stone coins of
the Yap Islanders. Since it was a rare item, it's reasonable to expect
some appreciation in asking prices. Cest la vie.
OTOH, the original dies and masters for Subconscious are totally
gone (I collected my deposit on them, which means they re-cycle the
glass master and master dies for someone else) so there is literally _no
way_ for Subconscious to ever be made again. And like an idiot, I only
kept my own copy, and not a single extra! So when one considers how
impossible it will be in 2-3 years to get one, one can easily understand
why I say dubbing is cool and do it freely, and whatever price it sells
for, it sells for.
Take it easy all!
Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:18:33 -0700
From: dgswanston@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu (Rain King)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Loss...
Message-ID: <95091422183370@vms9.sci.csupomona.edu>
Date sent: 14-SEP-1995
I hope all of you don't mind this little moment of sadness in the midst of the
releasing of ACoS, but I feel that I need to postmy story, both for me and forr
others who may have recently suffered a loss.
Wednesday was supposed to be a good day, and it started so. I had met
my friend in Whittier (almost on time :) and finally had a chance to go to a
music store that I have been itching to go to ever since I heard about it over
a year ago. I even found the _Lie_ import single there for $6.99.
Everything was going extremely well. That is, until we got the call.
My 54 year-old aunt was visiting my grandparents who are in town and five minu-
tes before she was going to leave she experienced a massive cardiac arrest.
When the paramedics arrived they called us.
I was creating a CD inventory list on my computer and was listening to
"To Live Forever" on my new _Lie_ single with I&W and Awake on deck (in my
CD changer) when the phone rang. I answered it and then ran downstairs to get
my dad. I was to remain at home to answer the phone and finish washing the
dishes that my mom had started.
My best friend called (just to talk) and I told her what happened. We
discussed it and I told her that the only outcome I could see was death
(because of her physical health). When I hung up the phone, I heard a lyric in
my head that I could swear was Dream Theater, but I could not remember from
which song. I heard:
"I feel the rain pour down on me..."
I remained downstairs for a few more minutes when I was about to go
upstairs (it had already been well over an hour since I had gone downstairs.
The phone rang and it was my father calling to tell me that my aunt's blood
pressure was dropping and her heart rate was also slowing. I went upstairs as
soon as I hung up, the lyric practically screaming in my head. As I topped the
stairs, I realized that I had not turned off my stereo. I could hear LaBrie's
vocals flow over me:
"As the rain is pouring down
Tears of sorrow wash his mind
Drifting with the current
This stream of life flows on"
This was quite unexpected and I was moved to tears, the first since the
first call. My parents and sister later came home and we talked then went to
bed, frequently awaken by the calls of the hospital staff updating us with my
aunt's condition.
At about 6:10, my mother woke me up. "They called again..." And...
"She passed..." When did they call? "6:00."
I hope you can understand my need to post this here. I am not doing it
in hopes of receiving sympathy, just to show this uncanny parallel between
Dream Theater and "real life."
Thank you for listening.
--*--
David G. Swanston, IV | E-Mail:DGSwanston@VMS9.Sci.CSUPomona.Edu
"I kiss you with a good-by kiss and open the gate for your egress hence."
-- Walt Whitman
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 02:16:56 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: EVE
Message-ID: <9509150616.AA26011@junix.ju.edu>
>
>Hi,
>
>At last!! I've finally heard Eve, even though it's in mono :(
>I've just downloaded the song from the internet and I've played it to death!!!
Where in the world did yo download an entire song from? Please give me
this URL !!!!!!!!!!
____________________________________________________________________________
"...the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the
dance of eternity." (John Petrucci of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 02:17:03 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: subconscious dub site opening!
Message-ID: <9509150617.AA26839@junix.ju.edu>
>Personally, I think we should handle this sort of like Kevin's demo
>tapes were handled with a bunch of dub sites open around the world.
>
>Anyway, I'm willing to manage a dub site list if anyone else is willing
>to do tapes in addition to me. I'm only going to make a few tape copies
>of my CD (#68 cause I owe Mike one :). I don't have a great stereo, but it
>will make decent copies. If you want one, e-mail me. I'm located in
>San Jose, California, and if other dub sites open, I'll handle Northern
>California.
>
I'll open a site for the South east (JAcksonville Fl.)
____________________________________________________________________________
"...the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the
dance of eternity." (John Petrucci of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:38:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 953
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950915022705.109036E-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
In Jam # 953, Jose Marcel Berto de Souza <master@fee.unicamp.br> wrote:
>
> There are NO similarities between DT and Rush, musically speaking...
> Rush sucks!!!! They have nothing to do with each other!!!!
> By the way, let's stoping saying that DT is a progressive band. DT is a METAL
> band!!!!!! Listen to Petrucci's , Portnoy's and Myung's sound and you'll see
> what heavy metal means...
> Sorry to all the Rush fans, but DT is the best ...
Listen. There is no room on this discussion list for ignorant,
closed-minded, long-winded, tasteless fucks like yourself. I'm not
saying this only because I worship Rush (sorry, fans, but DT is #2 in my
book), but because there is no place on this mailing for ego-feeding
bullshit like your ridiculous post. Maybe someday after you hit puberty
and can carry on an intellectual musical conversation with mature adults
you'll be ready to post again. But for now, why don't you just
unsubscribe, go put _2112_ or _Exit... Stage Left_ on and listen to the
work of human beings that deserve to be listened to, unlike your pathetic self.
Sorry for the lack of DT content, guys, but he really pissed me off.
-Chris
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* Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= *
* The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall *
* Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. *
* *
* * Will work for bass strings * *
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:41:29 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: subconscious dub site opening!
Message-ID: <199509150645.CAA21619@shell.monmouth.com>
> Julie writes:
> >I think I joined this list right after "Subconscious" came out, so I
> >wasn't able to get a copy. But it sounds really cool (esp. if it has
> >"Winter" - the Tori Amos song - on it), & I'm wonderin' if anyone
> >would be willing to make me a copy if I supply the tape & postage.
>
> Man....I think it's really F**KED up that someone has the audacity to
> sell a copy of Subconscious for more that he paid for it. Yeah, they're
> rare, but Mike Bahr made them because of his love for DT's music. He
> made almost nothing for all the work he put in to the project.
>
I agree with you, but I think you quoted the wrong post. It sounds
like Julie just wanted a tape copy of Subconscious.
> Personally, I think we should handle this sort of like Kevin's demo
> tapes were handled with a bunch of dub sites open around the world.
>
> Anyway, I'm willing to manage a dub site list if anyone else is willing
> to do tapes in addition to me. I'm only going to make a few tape copies
> of my CD (#68 cause I owe Mike one :). I don't have a great stereo, but it
> will make decent copies. If you want one, e-mail me. I'm located in
> San Jose, California, and if other dub sites open, I'll handle Northern
> California.
>
Hey.... I'll dub some copies. Add me to the list. I'm located in
central NJ.
Just send a tape, stamps for return postage, a jiffy envelope (or
something sturdy to ship it in -- like a casette mailer), and of
course an address to return it to. <please use your ZIP+4 (it shows
on your bills).... I work at a remote encoding center for the
post-office.. it allows for easier and quicker mail sorting. i.e.
you should get it a little faster>
Types of tapes:
Metal (Type IV - best sound)
Chrome (Type II - good sound)
Normal bias - (Type I - OK sound)
It all depends on the quality of recording you want. If you want the
best sound I can get, spend a little more money and get the Metal
Bias tapes. You should be able to get all of these types in any
record store. Make sure the tape is 76 minutes or more.
I have a Teac HX-PRO cassette recorder with Dolby B NR and 3 tape
heads, so don't worry about sound quality. This makes great
recordings.
Send requests through e-mail with a subject line of "Subconscious
dub" so that Pegasus mail can separate it from the rest of the mail I
get from the 'jam.
rq
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:48:07 +0200
From: Wilco Barg <WBG@suppcent.ges.getronics.nl>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACoS
Message-ID: <s05930d0.010@suppcent.ges.getronics.nl>
In the last few weeks I considered myself only as a reader to this list,
than being a writer. Often I wanted to give a reply to some things
mentioned in the list. But being unable to read the list daily I always
decided not to write, becuase of bringing up old news. But I got
something for you now that you need to know about.
Today, Friday September 15th, the ACoS EP will be released in The
Netherlands. Comparing to the past booklets, the outside picture is very
poor; a young boy sitting on a beach with a blue bucket with the logo
printed on it.
But the list is mentioned inside. We're on the creditlist. DT is thanking us,
the Jammers, for keeping the band asking to release ACoS.
But we have to do with this release till somewhere in 1996.
Up till now nothing is known about the upcoming single with the so-called
Japanese left-overs (Tears and the other two songs from Ronny
Scott's). Hope some-one can tell more about this single.
Wilco Barg
WBG@GSS101.GES.GETRONICS.NL
WBG@GESASDSC.NT.GETRONICS.NL
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:27:38 +0000
From: Stefan Nummer <S.Nummer@trier.fh-rpl.de>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 952
Message-ID: <m0stVEK-0000CAC@donews.cts.com>
Hello,
please stop my subscription!
Bye,
Stefan Nummer
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:02:14 -0500
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: In response to a non-Rush fan
Message-ID: <199509150902.EAA10077@earth.execpc.com>
>>There are NO similarities between DT and Rush, musically speaking...<<
BULLSHIT!! Ever heard WDADU? Sounds ALOT like Rush to me (which is a
compliment - not an insult). Of course, they've developed more of their own
sound now, which should be expected for any talented band (not that they don't
like Rush anymore...in fact I just read in an interview with James that lately
<gasp> he's been listening to a lot of Rush). Also, let's remember that is
was Mr. Lee, Mr. Lifeson and Mr. Peart, who for the longest time were the main
inspirations for YOUR favorite band!
>>Rush sucks!!!!<<
Try telling the guys in DT that. Hell, I don't think that alot of other
jammers are gonna appreciate that statement either.
>>By the way, let's stoping saying that DT is a progressive band. DT is a
METAL
band!!!!!! Listen to Petrucci's , Portnoy's and Myung's sound and you'll see
what heavy metal means...<<
Well, will PROGRESSIVE METAL make you happy?
>>Sorry to all the Rush fans, but DT is the best ...<<
In your opinion - remember Rush came before DT, and you'll have to thank them
(and many other influences who you may not like) for DT's existence.
Everyone else, sorry for the anger, but a post like this guy's just pissed me
off and I needed to respond.
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:16:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: re Rush and DT
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950915005215.25381B-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
I'd just like to put my two cents in regarding Jose Marcel's
message. In a Modern Drummer review of Awake, the review called Awake
"the album that Rush wishes it could make." Needless to say, this
critique took a lot of heat from Peart fans.
I would advise Jose to listen to Hemispheres or Moving Pictures.
No, Rush isn't as edged and polished as anything off of Awake. However,
Rush is still one of my biggest influences. not just Peart, but the
whole band (I have my artistic differences with Lifeson's solos, but his
riffs are occasionally staggering). Rush has, in the past few years,
made their music more mainstream. Maybe this is where Jose is getting
his opinions from. however, throughout their history, Rush has made some
incredible intricate pieces of music. Nothing (I mean nothing) comes as
close to a riff-monger as Lie from any Rush album. Regardless, there is
a lot of Rush in Dream Theatre. Portnoy is a prime example. Peart and
Portnoy share the ability to lay back and keep a groove, or go completely
out and BE the melody of a section. Few pro-rock drummers can do this.
Second, a lot of the rhythm parts the Petrucci comes up with are styled
in some of the same manners as Lifeson does his. Petrucci puts those
ideas into overdrive, but the pulse of the music and the feel of the
rhythms are still there. Finally, Lee and Myung don't share an incredible
amount. Geddy was brought up in the groove-method, and Myung is
certainly an over-the-top bass player. Even the bass solos are proof of
this. However, both of them don't use the bass as simply an instrument
to play quarter notes on. They use the basses to add thick, structured and
ever-impressive layers to the music.
I won't use the time-signature examples as sources of
comparison, because any Bulgarian wedding band would simply blow DT and
Rush out of the water in this respect.
Even if you can't see the collective similarities between these
two bands, any musician of any level of training can't help but to notice
the individual similarities. And if you can't agree on Rush as being
similar, then who would you choose. Fates Warning- as close as you can get
to Dream Theatre without a prescription- they all site Rush.
Marillion? An obviously major influence in many songs (Ian Mosley and
Portnoy share some percussive aspects hit-for-hit. The two bands
(Marillion and Rush) share a happy medium.
Maybe if those people that compare bands to DT would actually site
bands they think are similar to DT, those of us with notions regarding
musical similarities could have a better grasp of how these others are
approaching the music they listen to. So, I ask you... Who sounds like
DT?
Damian Allis
#8-)=
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:32:27 +0200 (MESZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: ACOS again?
Message-ID: <9509151232.AA26928@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello once again.
Quick note to David G. Swanston:
Gold in Japan doesn't mean 500000 copies! For the US that's correct, but
you need maybe 50000 or 200000 or whatever. It's different from country to
country. So maybe in (for example) Finland you get gold for let's say 10000
copies. Or even less. Wasn't it even only 5000?
If I remember correctly, there were 400000 copies of I&W in the US, 40000
here in Germany, but only 200000 of Awake in the US and 90000 here. Let's
face it: Just because there was no second PMU half of the Americans who
got I&W didn't buy Awake. What a pity that The Silent Man didn't get
enough airplay. Maybe the boys aren't pretty enough ;->... But better a
normal look and awesome talent than the other way.
Marillion's Fugazi: EVERYBODY here says that Misplaced Childhood was better
than this album. Well, the same thing as for Metallica, I like the second
album (Fugazi) a lot more than the third (MC). MC got one of the most
powerful ballads I've ever heard on it (Kayleigh), the other songs are also
quite good, but not as nearly as brilliant as the ones on Fugazi. Listen to
Fugazi, the title song, maybe the best Marillion opus ever. Then there's...
no, I better stop here. If you want my choice of the best songs of this
album, read the whole track listing on the backcover ;-). Yes, I like this
thing... Extreme vocals by Fish, BTW. Getting it to the limit - and over it.
And a cool crunchy bass sound... Ok, taste differs, but, hell, buy it, even
though $21 is a lot. Here it's about $12 ("Cool Price"-range).
Marc Respass did write:
>About WDADU. I really feel sorry for all you guys (and there seems to be a
>lot) who heard WDADU after I&W or even after Awake. I got WDADU the month
I got it some months later and I also still love it! It was a hard time
back then to read news like "Dream Theater lost their deal" or "fired their
vocalist". I was really surprised when I&W was released. And, to the ones
who can't stand Dominici's singing, I was after a while BORED of James'
voice! Dominici got his own unique sound, while on I&W there was of course
a good singer, but that was it. Nothing special. I don't think I would have
recognised James' voice these days. I had to wait for Awake to realise how
outstanding his voice really is. As I wrote some days ago, there was more
variety, more heavyness, and a better production.
Brian Cox wrote:
>it was funny, before erotomania he said "well i've got my DAT with me..."
>and i *almost* said "cool, so do i" but luckily i restrained myself :)
Nothing new. Do you EVER get out without at least one of your audio
devices? ;-) But well, sounds interesting, indeed!
Great news from Galactic Cowboys, BTW. I always liked their King's X meets
Thrash style.
Today's Friday the 15th! And I haven't found ACOS yet! At one store they said
Monday or Tuesday, at the other 15th. I can't wait!
Bye, Steffen
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