YTSEJAM Digest 996
Today's Topics:
1) DT is coming, DT is coming
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
2) Shag and SiD
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
3) THE dance of eternity
by dream@puerta.dct.com (Craig Erskine)
4) how-i-got-into-dt
by bda109@psu.edu (Brian Anderson)
5) A Change Of Seasons
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Problem
by laussade@enet.net (praxxix)
7) Re: several cool things
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
8) *** Thank You Letter to DT *** --Please READ!!!
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
9) WDADU / ACOS
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
10) WHASSUP
by John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
11) Italian words and sympathy
by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
12) My Favorite
by laussade@enet.net (praxxix)
13) SUBCON for sale for only 25 CENTS!!!!!
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
14) Dream Theater Stickers are here!
by INTERNET:_strick@big12.metrob@clubmet.metrobbs.com
15) Dub list for DT boots
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 988
by NEFARiOUS <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
17) Metronome in ACoS !
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
18) "mercy f**k"
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
19) Whoa!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
20) Re: Italian words and sympathy
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 992
by YtseJammer <slowhand@wam.umd.edu>
22) Good DT content-"Wake up" and smell the coffee
by hiw100@psu.edu (howard wiener)
23) Re: DT in FL
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
24) (fwd) Fates Warning: The Truth
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:29:55 -0500
From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT is coming, DT is coming
Message-ID: <s06bf3ca.078@wasc.egginc.com>
Hey Jammers,
Just got some very cool news.....>DT is playing at a local club
on December 27!!!! They posted it today. No price on tickets yet
but I imagine they'll be around $10. The club is pretty neat, it
probably only holds about 150-200 people. Spin Doctors are
playing there tonight and the tix are $10. I'll keep people posted
as to when they are going to sell tickets.......all to cool man, it's
fu__ing awesome. Any jammers want to take a Christmas drive
to Groton, CT to see the show with me?? It's only 4 miles from
my house..................gotta go but has anyone else heard of DT
doing any other shows while they are supposed to be recording
their album???
Tim Adams (a very very excited guy!!!!)
oh yea, I just heard the other day that the guy who owns the club
they are playing at has some connection with several record
companies. The same guy told me they would be playing there
in the next couple of weeks and I was like "yea, ok..." and then
today....THEY POSTED THE DATE!!!!! I'll be talking to this guy a
lot more in the future. Later all!!!
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:27:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam )
Subject: Shag and SiD
Message-ID: <199509291827.OAA09976@grex.cyberspace.org>
Could someone please send me email addresses for Screaming in Digital or
Shag? Thanx in advance.
-John
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 12:17:01
From: dream@puerta.dct.com (Craig Erskine)
To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: THE dance of eternity
Message-ID: <19950929.7B84980.AD14@puerta.dct.com>
This is focused at Matt, "The Guy Who's Confused about DoE",
Matt, there are two bootlegs with very similar titles. One is a single disc
by the name of "Dance of Eternity" the other is a two disc boot called "The
Dance of Eternity". People on the list sometimes take for granted that there
is another boot called DoE. I fall under that catagory too but I didn't know
that anyone even knew about the single disc version. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, there used to be a cool list on some guys home page (I found it by
searching with YaHoo) with all of the available bootlegs from DT. I recently
tried connecting to that sight to see if it was updated but I was unable to. I
know there is still an HTML version though but it hasn't been updated in
almost a year. I saw a boot called "Images and Tour" on that list that I
really want to get but all of the posts that I left to the jam were never
answered. Somebody has to know something about this boot otherwise it wouldn't
be on that list. Please email me directly if anyone has ANY info on this CD.
Sorry for the rambling,
Craig (Dream@puerta.dct.com)
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:23:28 -0400
From: bda109@psu.edu (Brian Anderson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: how-i-got-into-dt
Message-ID: <199509291923.PAA115816@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
I was just catching up on my Jams when I saw Jaime's post as to how
she got into DT:
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Repeat of a story I told the last time someone asked this question: when I
was living up in Rochester, NY, I used to listen to 96 WCMF, the local rock
n' roll station. (until I discovered a much better college station, 90.7
WGCC.) Around Sept. of 1992, I kept hearing this totally awesome song,
"Pull Me Under". I had no idea who the band was (because the damned DJs
would never say), but I kept cranking up the volume every time I heard it.
When a DJ finally announced the name of the band, I went out and bought
_Images_ and that was the end of that.
Jaime the Dragon, procrastinating editing a paper for English.
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That's exactly how I got into DT. Same story, same place, same
station, same DJ who wouldn't say who the song was by.
I found that very interesting ..... if any of you do, well ... good
for you.
-Brian
p.s. Hello to Jason at PSU whom I think is out there. We ran into eachother a
couple weeks ago on the campus. I was on my way to a test, so I didn't
have much time to talk.
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:18:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: A Change Of Seasons
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.950929141504.53846F-100000@homer04.u.washington.edu>
(written 9/25/95)
Ok.
I like the intro. It reminds me of "Rotten Apple," from Alice In Chains'
"Jar Of Flies" ep. Very morbid. I don't like how they slowed parts down,
but I guess that's their style, like James changing vocals so they're
easier to sing. I'm still somewhat confused as to why Kevin Moore did not
come back and play on this, or why the other four went ahead and recorded
it without him. Surely they invited him to the studio?
Anyway, whatever the reason, maybe now the masses will be satisfied enough
to stop comparing Derek Sherinian, who is a damn good musician/
keyboardist, and a very experienced one at that, to Kevin Moore, former
keyboardist for Dream Theater. Hey, I love Kevin's work, but a lot of
people are putting down Derek like he's some child in an adult's world. I
have news for you people. Derek's been recording and touring before Dream
Theater got their first record deal. I'm not saying either one is better,
I just hope that "A Change Of Seasons" will cement in the mind of every
Dream Theater fan that the band has chosen and new keyboardist, he's got
all the chops one needs, and he's here to stay.
Otherwise, I agree that every ass in the universe gets kicked
simultaneously on that stomping riff at 18:35. It reminds me of the
opening riff to "Cynical" by Extreme. As for Erotomania in ACOS, did it
ever occur to anyone that the same musicians wrote both pieces? You don't
suppose they have mannerisms or particular ways they like to structure
their music? You don't suppose two books by the same author might have
similar passages or writing styles?
I won't bother analyzing the lyrics because I'm sure we'll be talking
about this one well into 1996. And because I'm still trying to figure out
"Under A Glass Moon." Speaking of I&W, I still disagree that all eight
songs are pictured in the cover. Horse hockey hooey.
Speaking of covers. Can we say "parallel?" A child sitting in what appears
to be a snow-covered field, but is actually white sand, complete with
shovel and bucket. ???? A fresh rose growing, in the snow of winter...put
two and two together and you've got James' previous band. Now what style
of hatch is that on the house in the background? :) Then we have freshly
fallen snow (or so it appears), fresh footprints, fresh snowplowing, and
fresh skies from storm clouds blowing over a horizon. This picture seems
to symbolize everything new or growing. "Birth" would be a good theme. A
beginning. Let's not forget it's also winter (supposedly), which is a
season, as well as the phrase "Gather ye rosebuds," which relates to the
rose in both pictures. The air here is still, and the picture looks
relatively calm.
About the boy: I wonder if this is a retouched picture of one of the
members of the band. Possibly Mike Portnoy himself. He's dressed like it's
the middle of the summer. Is he crazy?!
Open the cd, and it's BOOM! Summer! Hot hot hot! The clouds in the sky are
the same as on the front cover, but now the overall color is the opposite
of blue: orange. An old man who I first thought might be the "Enter
Sandman" spokesman but actually is not at all is seated in a beach chair.
He appears to be on a beach, but instead of sand we have black asphalt,
like a road. Somehow the sand got transported over to the winter scene.
Anyway, this guy is dressed like it's the middle of the winter. Yet
another bizarre allusion to the front cover.
The rose is dead, the water is foaming, and wind is blowing fiercely.
Unlike the front cover, this picture is of motion and change. There are
scattered rosebuds, further driving the point home that the rose "tomorrow
will be dying." Then there's the calendar with the pages flying away. One
could say "The days are just flying by." Tumultuous passing of time.
Notice the latest page is dated November 16, which fits appropriately
considering this is a picture of winter. Or at least the old man thinks
so. :)
All in all, the twin covers symbolize the seasons and their shiftings, the
most opposite being summer and winter. Many themes are interspersed and
mixed, while other things are blatant opposites. The dead rose and asphalt
in place of sand (which somehow ended up in the open field of the blue
cover) could symbolize the ending of nature via mankind's destruction. A
"paved beach." Basically, I have come to the supreme conclusion that a
good title for these twin covers would be "A Change Of Seasons."
Now for the voices: (beneath "haaaaooooaaaaa" or however it's spelled)
"It's the most awful thing you'll ever hear."
"If you're lying to me..."
"Oh, you DEARLY love her." (Billy Zane?)
"...just have to leave...all our lives." (a eulogy?)
"Sieze the day!"
"Something happened."
"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may."
"She was killed."
"PLEASE DON'T GO!!!" Oh, wait, that's not on this cd...
The live stuff was cool too, even though I've never heard (of) any of it.
"Perfect Strangers" rocks, and I just might have to check out Deep Purple.
James' vocals, and I know he'll hate me if he reads this, remind me of the
Winter Rose show from so long ago. He's just FLYING. Super-high,
super-loud, super-vibrato, super-perfect-pitch! He never seems this strong
at DT shows. Why? Maybe because he knew the show was being taped, or
because this show of cover material meant a lot to him, so a flawless
performance was in order. I'm trying to imagine if DT were to do this with
a show of their own material...
Hey, I just realized this is the Ytsejam mailing list... Anyone notice how
the instrumental break at 2:12 of "Perfect Strangers" sounds a bit like
the opening riff to "Ytsejam?"
I think this cd will really back up what the band mentioned a while back
about how "if they ever wanted to do a live album" etc. This certainly
proves that they could, and it would rock. This Ronnie Scotts gig sounded
SOOO much better than ALL of the other live shows of theirs I've heard.
Each instrument was actually clear and equalized.
The review has ended, go in peace.
Bafu Vai
p.s. for those who remember:
"In my den of inequity" ???
Geez, I guess Dream Theater is as stupid as I am. Everyone knows
"inequity" isn't a real word. These guys can't speak English, they need
dictionaries, etc. :)
"Life goes on the offbeaten track"
There they go again! Geez, it's "They all meet at 12." How many times do
we have to tell them? Not this "offbeaten trail" or "track" or off-beaten
anything. :)
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:57:28 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (praxxix)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Problem
Message-ID: <199509292157.OAA00620@maple.enet.net>
Hello Jammers
I've got a problem. Every time I listen to ACoS, during couple
minutes right after James' whoaing section I just start headbanging and
thrashing around.
I don't know what the deal is. Hmm. Oh well.
Ben Laussade
Ben Laussade
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 18:03:10 EDT
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: several cool things
Message-ID: <9509292203.AA29279@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
> 2) For the person who keeps doing the screwed up happy faces, it goes like
> this:
> correct happy face --> :)
> your happy face --> ;)
> --What the hell is that?? Does he have a deformed eye or something??--
Actually, it's a wink. It's a VERY common face... Where ya been?! ;) ;)
Chris
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 16:48:51 PST
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: *** Thank You Letter to DT *** --Please READ!!!
Message-ID: <9508298124.AA812418644@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
* The letters are still rolling in, 64 so far... but out of the
* 1080 or so people on the Jam? Come on we can do better... 8^)
* BTW, I keep sending this message because I want to be sure that
* everyone has a chance to send in a message...
I will now begin accepting personal messages to be included in the
thank you letter that we will send to DT for putting out ACOS (and for
thanking us in the liner notes :).. So go ahead and type up your
message to DT and send them to ME PERSONALLY (not the list), I will
compile all of them into a booklet format, print them and send them to
DT's management (more details as I get close to finishing it). Send
your submissions to:
mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com
put 'DTTYL' in the subject so I don't miss your email
and include your name, city,state,country and email address...
I would like to put a DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS, let's say
Oct 13th... that gives everyone a couple of weeks to do it.
Also, if someone has the DT logo or other artwork in a format that I
can use (PC/Windows) please let me know... this should preferably be
black and white line art type stuff or true type fonts...
Any questions, comments, suggestions, etc. send 'em my way...
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
| Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) |
| mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com (preferred) -or- mkizer@indirect.com |
| http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm |
| ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... |
| "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." -Rush (The Band!) |
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: WDADU / ACOS
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.950929174234.24108D-100000@homer01.u.washington.edu>
By the way, it just occured to me that "When Dream And Day Unite" was
dedicated to someone, actually two people, but one of those people might
have been the inspiration for "A Change Of Seasons." Any thoughts for
those who know who the dedication was to and why?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 20:30:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: WHASSUP
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.950929202950.9341A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
Do you have any idea how sexy you are or how busy I am....?
Be cool...
John
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 19:08:25 -0700
From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Italian words and sympathy
Message-ID: <199509300208.TAA12956@atlas.earthlink.net>
> 5- I asked one of the voice teachers here at PSU to translate "Adesso che o
> perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu." According to Marshall Urban and
> his Italian\English dictionary, it means, "now that the sight is lost, we
> can see clearly and of more." That is direct from archaic Italian.
Isn't this quote a sound-byte from the movie "Cinema Paradiso"?
(an awesome movie by the way) I don't think it's archaic, but your
translation is close close enough to get the general idea. But I think the
DT lyrics represent the closest English translation. Also, that translation
makes sense in context to the movie.
As for the debate between the ACOS lyrics "mercy fuck" vs. "sympathy,"
"sympathy" definitely makes more sense here.
I'm sick of all you hypocrits
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
These lines talk of something that is on-going. A mercy-fuck is probably
a one-time thing. Especially when you consider it in the context of Another
World; it is about a world where image is more important than substance.
Off the pages and the T.V. screen
Another world where nothing is true
TV pretends to care about you by giving you(sympathy) to keep you
staring at its "Utopia" and its advertisements. A "Mercy fuck" may be an
act of sympathy, but it does not tie into the hypocritical stance of what
the media is doing. Any fucking done by the "hypocrits"would not be meryful.
In the lines
Oh come let us adore him
No matter what, don't let him be
Let's feed upon his misery
Then string him up for all the world to see
An allusion to the hypocritical practices of religion, especially those on TV
(anybody given Tammy Fay Baker any money lately?) In other words,
let's go to church every Sunday, but under no circumstances should we
follow its teachings. The TV evangelists will hold up Christ's image to
everybody to get as much money out of them as possible. Hypocrital
bullshit like that is what this song is protesting. Carpe diem means much
more than "sieze the day;" it is a warning to take back your life from those
who would exploit you while pretending to be your friend.
Sorry this was so long, but it just had to be said.
James Garrett
________________________________
jpgarrett@earthlink.net
"Because I had found it hard to attend to anything
less interesting than my own thoughts, I was
difficult to teach."
William Butler Yeats (Autobiographies)
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 19:16:22 -0700
From: laussade@enet.net (praxxix)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: My Favorite
Message-ID: <199509300216.TAA07286@maple.enet.net>
Greetings Jamlings,
Well, A Change of Seasons is now officially My Favorite Song. Just
thought I'd let everybody know. Bye.
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net
Ben Laussade
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 23:00:23 EST
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: SUBCON for sale for only 25 CENTS!!!!!
Message-ID: <9509292300.D6947Dp@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
THE CD Is for sale for 25 cents....and $300.00 for postage and
handling.....(as you can see...JUST a small joke in reply to
everyone selling their cd for much higher. ...just kidden all!! :)
no hard feelings. (i hope...ehehehheh)
I have the new ACOS............what a great cd!!
I can't wait till a TOUR!
Don't forget to call your local radio stations and do the new DT request
on the cd!!!
take care!
todd
http://www.dreamt.org
http://www.dreamt.org
http://www.dreamt.org
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 23:00:25 EST
From: INTERNET:_strick@big12.metrob@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater Stickers are here!
Message-ID: <9509292300.D7158UG@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all you Ytsejamers-
The limited Ytsejam (DT) stickers are here...and ready for
ship-out!
Q: What do they look like and how can I get my OWN?
A: The stickers are 3x3 inches. Clear-(made for windows),
for ie: so you can place one on the inside of your car window
for the WHOLE world to see.
The TOP of the sticker has "Dream Theater" written(curved
printing/with redish ink). The MIDDLE of the sticker has the
DT "symbol"(in black ink). On the BOTTOM it has "Ytsejam"
(written in redish ink/slanted). YOU can get a preview of
the sticker on the NET by checking out:
http://www.dreamt.org
There is a very limited printing of these stickers avalible.
Just a note to anyone who thinks I'm doing this for financial
gain...this is just not true. IT all started when I noticed
some Ytsejamers on the net mention that they're having a hard
time finding window stickers to promote one of their favorite
bands. I saw a need and wanted to fill it. #2: Since I am
not printing thousands(cost are much higher) and therefore I
can not "make thousands". I am lucky if I break-even. IF
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club...that's a whole other ball-game.(They can contact
me)...grin.. :)
IF YOU would like your own sticker(s)...then you can write to
the address below. The stickers are only $2.00 each(includes
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Orders *Out-Side the U.S./add $1.00 for shipping/on any #
ordered)). For a better DEAL...if you order 10(ten) or more
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FOR RUSH ORDER/write to: TRS GROUP
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If you have any questions...feel free to contact me.
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incase we have any questions.
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 01:42:55 -0400
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dub list for DT boots
Message-ID: <9509300542.AA25710@junix.ju.edu>
Hey guys,
if you think the idea about a dub site for boots is good, send me your info
like this so I can copy and paste it much easier.
name, email address
City, State
boots
boots
boots
I think this will be really great! I don't know any jammers who wouldn't
love a copy of a few boots!
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Sorry about the " ;) " confusion. Here's another one... (:D
____________________________________________________________________________
"...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared
together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes
on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:24:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: NEFARiOUS <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 988
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950930032426.4952C-100000@mothra.syr.edu>
what is Acoustic Dreams and how do I get it? Someone please....
thanx,
nefarious
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:29:55 +0100 (MET)
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Metronome in ACoS !
Message-ID: <m0sz079-0002obC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
At 19:26 - 19:28 in ACoS you can hear a metronome... tic-tic-tic-tic...
Check it out!
There are also metronomes in Another Day and 6:00 !
Ties
-- Ohne Musik waere das Leben ein Irrtum. (Nietzsche)------------------------------
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: DT List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: "mercy f**k" Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9509300939.A219411-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
I've got another slant for this question. I don't think it was meant to be calling someone a fuck, as the comma version would suggest, and maybe not even referring to an actual act of sexual intercourse. Sometimes people use the word fuck as a synonym for "garbage" or "bullshit" or "baloney", even. For example: "I can't go out with you guys tonight; I've got a lotta fuck to take care of." As silly as it may sound, I've actually heard it used this way! Try this "meaning" in the context of the song and see what you think! Later!
Brian
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: DT List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Whoa! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9509300931.B219411-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
I just love it when someone writes a review like that guy did of ACoS!! It's just the funniest thing!! (trying to remain calm....) I bet he went on to give a wonderful review of Weezer or some crap like that. Just remember, people, when Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" made its appearance back in the early 20th century (I think), people thought it was garbage, and it was like totally shunned!! But now? It's a masterpiece!! Like with just about all the classical composers -- none of them really got any recognition for their music while they were alive. Basically the same type of thing is happening now with DT (unfortunately). I guess us ytsejammers are just ahead of our time!!
Brian - addmitted lover of "wanker guitar"!!
(: <- Holy shit!! It's facing the other way!!
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Italian words and sympathy Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950930115810.7185A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, James Garrett wrote:
> > As for the debate between the ACOS lyrics "mercy fuck" vs. "sympathy," > "sympathy" definitely makes more sense here. > > > These lines talk of something that is on-going. A mercy-fuck is probably > a one-time thing. Especially when you consider it in the context of Another > World; it is about a world where image is more important than substance. >
But "sympathy" doesn't imply any false emotion. "Mercy fuck" is a more descriptive phrase.
> > Oh come let us adore him > No matter what, don't let him be > Let's feed upon his misery > Then string him up for all the world to see > > An allusion to the hypocritical practices of religion, especially those on TV > (anybody given Tammy Fay Baker any money lately?) In other words, > let's go to church every Sunday, but under no circumstances should we > follow its teachings. The TV evangelists will hold up Christ's image to > everybody to get as much money out of them as possible. Hypocrital > bullshit like that is what this song is protesting. Carpe diem means much > more than "sieze the day;" it is a warning to take back your life from those > who would exploit you while pretending to be your friend.
Yeah, I kept trying to equate those lines to religion. I think it's trying to say that media has a religious-like fervor in covering stories with no real regard to the victim except exploitation.
Either that, or Mike just thought the Christmas carol verses sounded nice. :)
Andy
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: YtseJammer <slowhand@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 992 Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950930123725.12521A-100000@rac9.wam.umd.edu>
ACoS does rule! <until I figure out how to quote, i'm going to be in big trouble here!> Here's a Q tho ... Where does someone go find the 7-string RG that Petrucci uses (if it even is an RG)? I know Ibanez makes a few 7-stringers, and that Steve Vai used it on his Passion and Warfare album (just look for those notes that go REALLY REALLY low). Also, anyone notice that Erotomania is pretty much the only song on Awake that doesn't use the lowest string? You can play it pretty accurately on a 6-stringer!
What do people think of "Eve", the instrumental off the "Silent Man" single? I think it's very cool ... no real lightning solos, just really emotional melodic lines! Sometimes ya just gotta slow down!
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:54:41 -0400 From: hiw100@psu.edu (howard wiener) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Good DT content-"Wake up" and smell the coffee Message-ID: <199509301754.NAA92438@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
Jammers, I am finally just about ready to begin posting some stuff on the Awake album and how _*ALL*_ songs fit into the album as a concept album. Sure some people think that everything from track 4-10 is a concept album. However if that were so, then what are the other songs doing there? Well, I say that all are part of the concept. Briefly said, the concept album is all about breaking commitment and tearing apart your soul and hurting yourself/others. There are a few basic categories for how each song could fit in: Storyline, innerfeelings, thought processes. Some songs are in one category, some two, some all three. I am going to prove how they all fit into at least one of these categories. So until my next post on this, have a good one. Later on, Howard
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:19:10 -0400 From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: DT in FL Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950930161516.8296A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
It's funny, I saw DT 4 times in FL on the I&W tour but they did'nt even touch the Southeast for the Awake tour..... :( Maybe by the time they come here again, we will have our new drummer and can open for them again. Drummers - Contact me!.........
Jay Peele For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:28:56 -0400 From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: (fwd) Fates Warning: The Truth Message-ID: <199509302028.QAA21656@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I found this on the net and thought alot of you might like to know what is going on...
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I started to grow weary of all the speculation and rumors regarding Fates Warning. So I called Mark Zonder. I've had his phone number for a while and call him about once I don't call him all the time because I don't want to abuse the fact that I have his number.
Anyway, here's what's going on:
Yes, Frank Aresti is gone. There was a falling out between him and the rest of the band after the last FW/DT tour and they put pressure on him to quit. So he did. I didn't get into details as to exactly why they're pissed at him, but Mark blamed Frank entirely for why there wasn't a tour with Fates headlining after the Fates/DT tour ended.
Ray is NOT gone. The guy from Helstar is NOT in the band. He MAY tour with them, but he is not officially in the band and he did not compose anything on the next album. (Also, I expressed dissapointment at the fact that they missed San Diego last time, and he was pretty sure they'd make it this time).
The next album IS one big song. But Mark stressed that it is not like Ivory Gates. We talk a bit about what "progressive" means and such... he feels the last two albums are indeed progressive and complex, but at the same time more accessible, BUT he said they are taking a "hard left turn" from the last two and are heading back toward Perfect Symetry in a sense. But he made sure to stress that their style is still evolving and it won't sound like PS, ie. it will just be more progressive and complex like PS. Apparently Jim is messing with guitar synths and some keyboards more and more and these will be used in the next album. They are recording this album in Dec/Jan so we should have it around March. They're still on Metal Blade for the US and another label for europe and one for Japan.
In summary, for me anyway, YES!!! They're getting more progressive again! Fates is back! Of course, my favorite albums are PS, Spectre, and Awaken, so I have cause for rejoicing.
The only thing that dissapointed me was that Mark said Ray's singing will not be as high as earlier -- more like the last two albums. I expressed regret over this, but Mark said, "Hey, he's getting older." Oh well. This confirms my suspicions that he can't hit the higher notes anymore. Mark may say it's age, but my suspicion is that it was too many packs smoked.
Anyway, just wanted to say that Mark Zonder, aside from being one of the best, if not THE best drummer, is also a way cool person for taking the time to speak with some guy that calls out of the blue once a year to find out what's going on with his favorite band.
-Brad
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This should definatly be cool!! Maybe Mark will get Kevin to come and help out a bit since they are experimenting with keyboards!! Fates could become the new, old DT, like from I & W's!!!!! That would rule!!!
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