YTSEJAM Digest 1414
Today's Topics:
1) Thanks guys!!! :-)
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
2) Hey Bass players!
by Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
3) Re: Ponder (No DTC)
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
4) Re: All those posts by one guy!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1408 (No DTC)
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
6) Re: Ponder (No DTC)
by "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
7) Re: The " Jack is an asshole" thread
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
8) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/06/96 - 07:46:05" <response@ibmmail.com>
9) The usual...
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
10) Heehee.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
11) Carpe Diem Payment Charone Frankel
by v932407@si.hhs.nl
12) stuff
by CLIFF & PAM WHEATON <cwheaton@micron.net>
13) Hey
by kurt@fgallery.com
14) DT IRC
by eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
15) Art
by fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani)
16) Comments on YTSEJAM digest 1413
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
17) Studio
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
18) WDADU (dtc!!!!)
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
19) Maiden show and vaudeville
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:07:52 -0600
From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thanks guys!!! :-)
Message-ID: <v01510103ad8bb921f6be@[204.71.98.40]>
Hiya,
This is an open ended thank you letter to all of the jammers who
defended my post on Sepultura and Korn. It's nice to know that there are
people on the jam who are willing to defend a fellow members musical tastes
even if they do not share in those taste, and are able to do so in a calm
and rational manner without resorting to childish name calling and mindless
vulgarity. That is a mark of true maturity and I thank the jammers for
that and for all the jammers who privately emailed me with my numerous
questions about bands and CD's and bass techniques. I sent a private email
to the person who flammed me explaining calmly and rationally that my
opinion was my own and it helped no one to know what he did not
like/understand personally. Korn and Sepultura have both sold more records
than he has, so when he has made his contribution to music, I may then
place more weight on his musical opinion. Again, I thank all the mature
jammers out there.
MUCHAS GRACIAS!!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))
napkins@clandjop.com
Seth Hatlelid
"This is true love. Do you think this happens everyday? Death can stop
true love, only delay it for a while."-The Princess Bride
"As you wish."
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 96 01:09:36 EST
From: Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
To: da jambone <YTSEJAM@AX.COM>
Subject: Hey Bass players!
Message-ID: <960406.011706.EST.SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
I was in the record store yesterday and I ran across a recently released solo
album by Victor Wooten. They had it on one of those listening thingys, so I
fired it up. I must say that if you are a bass player, then you should pick
this CD up, it was quite impressive. In case you don't know who this guy is,
he is the bass player for Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, and he is absolutely
amazing. I guarantee that you've never heard some of the things this guy does.
So, if you're interested, it's called "A Show of Hands" (hmm...).
Bye,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 1:22:47 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ponder (No DTC)
Message-ID: <9604060622.AA01135@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
It was a joke, man. The lyrics, (actually alex wasn't really saying
anything). They didn't even have the microphones on, and Alex was just
babbling, so they threw up the warning sign as a joke. But nobody seems to
get the joke.
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 1:23:56 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: All those posts by one guy!
Message-ID: <9604060623.AA00040@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Got ya beat, Mark. I don't even have a sig.
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 1:32:19 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1408 (No DTC)
Message-ID: <9604060632.AA12311@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
And another thing, Gilbert buddy, if that is your name. If I were able to get
a woman, do you really think I'd be on the Net? As much? Do you really think
I'd be osting like I do? Yes, I need a hobby or two. But I am very active
outside my computer, I play keyboards, I am a d.j. at my college station, I
do have friends, but when you are blind, you don't have a car and therefore
don't get out very often. In addition, girls don't get into the blind thing.
So back off on the women cracks. Apparently, you have just as much free time
as I do, with all the flaming going on from your account. At least I post
something entertaining. I was kidding. Lighten the hell up.
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:29:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@AX.COM>
Subject: Re: Ponder (No DTC)
Message-ID: <wvmail32.1996apr6.012714.rri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
On 04/05/96 at 19:35:39 btomko@home.glasscity.net said:
> This has probably been worn out, but I'm curious. Does anyone know
>why the lyrics are blotted out in the end of Rush's Show Of Hands video?
>They're not known to use profanity and they could have just put a warning
>label on it.
This is how I remember it being explained on the Rush newsgroup. Alex is
just sort of babbling on with a "you've been a great crowd..." kind of thing.
Since that wasn't particularly relevant to the video audience, they decided to
have a little fun and put a warning on it. That seems like a good explaination
since the way the warning is worded itself is pretty funny (if I remember
correctly).
Sorry, no disgusting secret message.
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"Easter here again Jonathan Byrne
A time for the Blind to see West Virginia University
Easter surely now rrri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
Can all of your hearts be free."
-Steve Hogarth,"Easter",Marillion
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 1:35:00 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The " Jack is an asshole" thread
Message-ID: <9604060635.AA06946@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Warren, I just want to tell you that you have my support in this. As you can
see, he couldn't break you, so he decided to come after the blind guy. But
little does he know that I am more deadly without sight than Bafuvai is with
a guitar, and I know Bafu can play his ass off. (I know it looks like I am
not very fond of you, Bafu, but I think you are really the shit). So, Warren
beat his ass. He's obviously really really bored with himself and has no
self-esteem.
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 01:44:46 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/06/96 - 07:46:05" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:27:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The usual...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604060203.B26786-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: btomko@home.glasscity.net
> Subject: Ponder (No DTC)
>
> This has probably been worn out, but I'm curious. Does anyone know
> why the lyrics are blotted out in the end of Rush's Show Of Hands video?
> They're not known to use profanity and they could have just put a warning
> label on it. BTW, If this is an old question...just ignore me. (although
> most of you probably already do)
It's just a joke. They actually didn't say *anything* there. But, on
Exit...Stage Left, Geddy said something fairly incomprehensible. Then
they go and print words in the liners which is stuff he didn't say.
They've got a really twisted sense of humor, but once you're in on the
jokes, it's funny as shit.
----> From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: studio stuff > > > This is to answer the question about the click track. A click > >track is simply a track that clicks out the tempo like a metronome so that > >the tempo of the song remains constant, or at least the section of the song > >to be played at that tempo. > > I pretty much know that part... but what I really wanted to know was if it's > just a click, or if it's the actual song w/ the music?... If you notice, on > the LiT vid, when they show 'em laying tracks for I&W, they're playing along > w/ the actual song,and a TOC TOC TOC TOC...
The actual sound of the click is something like a snare or a cowbell or a bss drum or something. Something that the drummer can hear to keep a beat to. The way I understand it, the click is usually recorded onto the tape, and the band members can listen to it as they record. So, like, when you saw Kevin recording his parts, he was listening to the tape that included drums, bass, guitar, and click. At final mixdown, you just set the volume level of the track where the click is (hence the term "click track") at zero. I think. I might be wrong, but that's my understanding of it.
BTW, while I'm writing, just thought I'd offer my $0.02 on something. A lot of us (myself included) have been getting kinda nasty at people here. First, John, I apologize. Second, I apologize to the rest of you for posting that stuff publicly. I'm not really sure what it is, but I think we should all retreat into neutral corners for a while, and come out nice. I would just hate to see the Jam degenerate into an all-out flamefest.
Can't we all just get along? :) (And if you feel the need to attack, puhleeze check your grammar and spelling before you hit the send button. Ugh!)
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:14:35 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Heehee. Message-ID: <199604060814.BAA21641@maple.enet.net>
>I'm an idiot!! I was dubbing the Kevin Moore demos for a friend, and I >put the tapes in the wrong decks, erasing side one! ARGH! Would anybody >let me send my tape along with return postage and dub it for me? I would >greatly appreciate it. PLease respond to: bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu
See Jim? I'm not the only one. :-)
> A D- boy, correct me if I'm wrong but I'll own a house before you >even finish school so what if I work for Waldbaum's, at least I can >afford Five cents to watch the statue piss up the river plus they >will also pay for the rest of my schooling if I so chose to go on. >Put that in your pipe and choke on it. No hard feelings though!
Oh boy. A flame war. :-/
>>Caught in a Web. James is holding a tambourine. >> > >But, correct me if I'm wrong, JP isn't sporting whose good ol' 7-stringer
Hmmm.....lemme look. Okay....I see.......how the hell can you tell from there?!?!?!?
Besides, though...what other song is there a tambourine on?
I is outta here.
Mr. Cool
We're just a bunch of dorks. :-)
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:05:47 --100 From: v932407@si.hhs.nl To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Carpe Diem Payment Charone Frankel Message-ID: <9604061005.AA29687@gomperts.si.hhs.nl>
Hi All,
sorry to put this on the 'Jam but I don't have a personal e-mail address for Charone.
Charone, could you please send me your home-address? I got your payment a couple of days ago.
thanks,
Marcel Berkhout v932407@si.hhs.nl
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 03:25 MST From: CLIFF & PAM WHEATON <cwheaton@micron.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <m0u5VB5-000QWRC@mis01.micron.net>
> This has probably been worn out, but I'm curious. Does anyone know >why the lyrics are blotted out in the end of Rush's Show Of Hands video? >They're not known to use profanity and they could have just put a warning >label on it. BTW, If this is an old question...just ignore me. (although >most of you probably already do) Hey-majar Rush/DT fan here-that's a joke they did-Alex really isn't saying anything but nonsense!!
>Truthfully, I'd be really careful who you mess with on the Jam. Some of us >are actually intelligent. Good point made here, Damon!!! I think that most of are very intelligent!!!! On the art/music thread-I think that it's a personal thing as to what is art or music.I might (and probably will) disagree with a persons opinion as to what music and art is, but that's ok too. I think that's what makes us all individuals here. The world would suck if we were all the same!!
Keep Rockin' Pam
___/----^--\____ < /__rockin' cabbie_\o 0 0 TAKING THE ROAD TO ADVENTURE (Pam) cwheaton@micron.net (http:/netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton)
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 08:53:46 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hey Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.6.8.53.46.2916992174.270896@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hey..saw someone saying that he paid 30$ for the japanese awake importa and the other guy paid 53$..i know its not much but i paid 22$ for the "regular" Live at the marquee, and 21 for the "regulaR" wdadu..regular meaning that they were not imports or nothing.. hey also ive always wanted to know how do you do the meszage quoting ...
>b;ablaaba;aba;ab >blablablabla
you know ..that the previus message ,the one youre answering is on top with the > thingies.. thanx
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 08:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT IRC Message-ID: <199604061330.IAA64029@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
How do I connect to the Dream Theater IRC channel? I have MIRC 3.92 but I don't really know how to use it or how to connect to IRC servers.
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:59:52 +0200 From: fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Art Message-ID: <199604061759.TAA18235@ns.pianeta.it>
Hello!
>Why not? Why must everybody place rules and restrictions on everything? Art >and creativity are some of the things that elevate us above some kind of >instinct driven hunter / gatherer. We "create" things for no other reason than >to please ourselves (and hopefully others). Why should there be any limit to >what one individual perceives as "art"? The perception of what is and what is >not art is as individualistic as you can get.
It's a matter of definition. I have a different view of the meaning of the word "ART". Art is creativity, but creativity is not necessarily art.
>>An artist, to produce a work of art, must have a great knowledge of art >>history, and must be able to understand and reproduce the art of the past. >
>Sure most artists start out with >an appreciation for their chosen art, but the strive for creativity will push >them to create from within themselves and not merely become proficient at >copying the works of others.
I agree. Art is originality.
>Knowledge of what other artists do and why they do >it can be very helpful, but it is definately not a requirement.
I disagree. Real artists must have great knowledge, or they'll build castles in the air. Art is evolution, an artist must have a great background. Otherwise, I don't see why I'm studying Italian and English literature at school or art history, for example...
>I think that what you're trying to explain here is something that happens >naturally... anybody who wants to be musician will be influenced by somebody >else, and add to what that person was doing... and I mean, do you think >Mozart started learning stuff from the middle ages? I think not...
I think yes. Without the previous music, Mozart wouldn't have written what he did write.
>Well I don't know about you, but I play the geetar in a rock'n roll band, >and I sure as heck consider my music art... I'd like to think that my music >will eventually actually move somebody emotionally, just like DT moves me...
I play the keyboards in a rock band and write music (rock music). I like to think that my music conveys feelings and emotions, I like to be original in music, but I don't consider to be an artist or to write music that is art.
>all I know is that I've always considered art to be an attempt of humans to >represent something abstract (like our emotions) in a concrete form... of >course music itself is rather abstract, which makes IMO the better >representative of the arts...
I agree with you, but I add one more thing that is the one that makes me be so careful to define something art: the content must be original, but the form is also very important. I can be the most sensitive and emotional person in the world, but if I don't know how to write a poem, I won't write anything that can be considered artistic. It's the same for music. You can say that form is against spontaneity, that rules are made to be broken. In some cases, yes: but you have to know it before you take the freedom of breaking them.
P.S. The fact I don't feel so sure about saying DT's music is art DOES NOT MEAN that I want to say their music is worthless. I have the HIGHEST possible consideration and admiration for their music.
Fabio
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:10:28 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Comments on YTSEJAM digest 1413 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960406123042.20243A-100000@solix>
> From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> > Subject: Re: KM Demo Dubbing Project > > I'm an idiot!! I was dubbing the Kevin Moore demos for a friend, and I > put the tapes in the wrong decks, erasing side one! ARGH! Would anybody > Doesn't anybody ever break off those write-protect tabs anymore?
> From: kurt@fgallery.com > Subject: argh > > I cant believe someone actually said that they thought Death's music is > better and more complex than DT's?! hahahahah yeah..right..and > i can play better than JohN petrucci and yngiwe malmsteen combined > Jeez! More of this sophomoric "my favorite band is better than your favorite band" bullshit. Argh to that! How often we forget that there is no best - only favorites...
BTW, Chuck Shuldiner (Death's principle songwriter) happens to be a huge DT fan.
> From: Dave <buster@ee.net> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1412 > > 1. When people start trying to define and make rules for good things, those > good things usually go away. Music=art=art=creativity. Creativity when > stifled=repressed. How can you be creative if someone is telling you the > rules? > [disclaimer: this is not intended as a flame]
Ugh. The biggest misconception about music is that knowing theory will stifle your creativity!!! That is one of my biggest pet-peeves. Having studied formally, continuing to study music (and being aware of these God awful "rules") has done nothing but increase my ability to create.
IMHO, it's the other way around. People who claim they don't need to know theory are the ones being arrogant and snotty. Be thankful that we can get away with breaking the rules. Music is one of the few things in where you can get away with that.
You gotta know what the rules are before you break them, cuz if you don't know the rules, you're gonna be doing something that you think is so cool cuz you thought you came up with it by yourself, but all along you were just playing a run-of-the-mill AbMin7b5 chord!
> 5. Bottom Line = There is no universal harmony or "brotherhood" achieved > when people criticize their very inspirations and fellows, whether it be > because of age, musical skill, or what have you... > Right on! Well said, Dave.
> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > Subject: Uh-oh. > > >Except that you'd be wrong. I could make a chair and call it a table. > >Would it be a table? No. > > > > It would be if you USED it as a table. It all comes down to what the > originator of the sound MEANT. If it was meant to be music, then it > was...good or bad. If it wasn't, then it wasn't. As we have found, there is > no definate definition. > Keep saying shit like that Ben, and people won't believe your age when you tell them....
> >you like doesn't mean they deserved to be flammed. > > Flammed? Like the drum rudiment? Cool. > ARGH!!! The return of the dreaded "Drum Talk!!!!!!"
> From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net> > Subject: All those posts by one guy! > > Wow! I didn't know that I'd been posting so much :). Luckily, I don't > have a big ol' boat in my sig with all the words to a song ;). > > Look what he said and look what he did next. ;) > > From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net> > To: <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: other people
--=The Cliff's Notes Version of my .signature file=-- Elliott Kim [Insert ASCII doodle here] Florida International University ekim01@fiu.edu E-Man@dreamt.org [Insert profound quote here]
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:18:11 -0700 From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Studio Message-ID: <199604061918.MAA02798@henge.com>
Last year I recorded in a digital studio for the first time, and learned a lot. First of all there is no reason the whole band can't be in the same room while recording. Their amps just have to be in separate rooms to prevent the sound from bleeding. The MIDI room is great for this. It is also better for the band to be in the same room so the communication is better. James is probably doing reference vocals so the band doesn't get lost. Overdubs and final vocals have to be done separatly, or at least usually are. The point is that there are many ways to approach recording. Does anyone know for a fact how DT recorded Awake?
Later, Cory
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:29:03 -0800 From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WDADU (dtc!!!!) Message-ID: <199604061929.LAA20179@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
hey i just picked up WDADU for about 8 bucks at best buy, just in case youre wondering about the comparisons to the import here -
1 the us ver. is MUCH CHEAPER :) 2 instead of a close up of the cover on the back its the five pictures of the guys faces, and since they did that they didnt include them in the booklet. 3 the booklet is only a 2 page sheet, no lyrics, no nuthin' 4 as far as sound goes i've had no distinctions. if you already have the import WDADU theres no reason to buy this one. if you dont have any copy yet you may wanna pick up this one. ~Rip
oh yeah, someone said theres 2 dif. vers of LaTM, which one did they say was better? cant remember
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Maiden show and vaudeville Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960406132146.17373A-100000@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
I had the opportunity to see Maiden last night in Hollywood. Two words: KICK ASSSSSS!!!! Any effects of Blaze being sick didn't show. He sounds very similar to Dickinson.The whole band was very tight and the sold out place went nuts. Harris did an awesome bass solo on an acoustic bass which was amazing. Maiden was taping the show, so it may pop up later. Japenese jammers should definitly check them out, that is where they are going next. Blaze said that the show was their last U.S. date so I don't know if they are going to make up the eight that they missed. It was some HEAVY ASS METAL!!!!!!!
As for Vaudxvihl (or however you spell it), be careful. I have heard reviews on the jam of how it sounds similar to DT or Queensryche. The thing is they don't. I spent twenty plus dollars because the ad for them said they sounded like Rush and DT. They have gotten good reviews but the music is dark and avant garde. There are a couple good songs but for the most part, it wasn't what I expected. Jammers should beware of buying albums, lots of times companies do that in order to sell records.
Later on, Conrad
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