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YTSEJAM Digest 1415

Today's Topics:

  1) Iced Earth
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
  2) Re: The sounds my ASS makes
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
  3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/06/96 - 23:02:50" <response@ibmmail.com>
  4) Re: Hey
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
  5) The Mirror intro- Ivanhoe tries it?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
  6) Re: Vauxdvihl
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
  7) Best LaTM version...
by jgreene@acs.bu.edu
  8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1412
by Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU>
  9) Savatage
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
10) Throw away the middle
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
11) YTSEJAM digest 1414
by kain@fgallery.com
12) Ytse-Krod
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
13) CDs for Sale!
by Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@cs.hope.edu>
14) Apologies,and click tracks
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
15) philosophy 101
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1414
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
17) Multiphonic Misc. Miasma
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:54:56 -0800
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Iced Earth
Message-ID: <199604062154.NAA24683@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>

i just borrowed a cd from my bud, a band called iced earth. its
incredible stuff, these guys are like, progressive death metal or
somethin' any jammers into harder music should check this out. on
their 95 album, Burn Offerings, they have a song thats like 17 minutes,
its kind of like a death metal ACoS, its goes through the seven planes
of hell instead of the four seasons, very cool. heres what REALLY
caught my attention that got me to post this, i was flippin through the
booklet, looking at the thank yous and who did i see, but Dream
Theater. hey hey need i say more about these guys? ok thats it for
now
~Rip

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:59:11 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The sounds my ASS makes
Message-ID: <199604062159.QAA21668@mailserver2.tiac.net>

>>> HELL I Could record The sounds my ASS makes when I take a
>>> Dump and Call it Music. Then i too would be a
>musician...
>>
>>Except that you'd be wrong. I could make a chair and call
>it a table.
>>Would it be a table? No.

> It would be if you USED it as a table. It all comes down to
> what the originator of the sound MEANT. If it was meant to
> be music, then it was...good or bad. If it wasn't, then it
> wasn't. As we have found, there is no definate definition.

No it wouldn't. It would be a chair being used as a table. If you beat on
a trash can, it's a trash can, not a drum. You might be playing some
serious rythms but you'd be playing them on a trash can. If the music
specified a trash can and you used a drum, it wouldn't be a trash can.
You can't just change the name of a thing. This guys ass ain't no musical
instrument and no sound coming from it is music even if he stood on a
float with his ass in the air and blasted away to the rythm of the rest
of the band. You wouldn't hear any kids saying, "mom, can I study the ass
instead of the trumpet." :)

Music.
1. The art of combining tones to form expressive compositions. 2. such
compositions 3. any rhythmic sequence of _pleasing_ sounds.

Now I'll admit that I sometimes laugh when I fart so that may be
misinterpreted as pleasing but I doubt that others would consider it a
pleasing sound or a combination of tones or an expressive composition.
It's a fart!

Simply put, all music is a sound but not all sounds are music. Besides,
this was about musicians, not music itself. :)

--Marc Respass

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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 17:01:31 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/06/96 - 23:02:50" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199604062201.OAA27561@mindcrime.ax.com>

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 14:15:20 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hey
Message-ID: <9604062215.AA15921@tengs1>

> From: kurt@fgallery.com
>
> Hey..saw someone saying that he paid 30$ for the japanese awake importa
> and the other guy paid 53$..

He must live in a place that makes ARKVILLE look like a metropolis.

> i know its not much but i paid 22$ for the
> "regular" Live at the marquee, and 21 for the "regulaR" wdadu..regular
> meaning that they were not imports or nothing..

I payed a few bucks less that that for those two, and they *were*
imports (England and Germany, respectively).

Zach

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 14:18:45 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Mirror intro- Ivanhoe tries it?
Message-ID: <9604062218.AA15933@tengs1>

I've been waiting a long time for someone to bring this up
(since I thought I was wrong), but at the beginning of
"Symbols of Time", a little before the vocals kick in, it
sounds like they're trying something like DT did at the
beginning of "The Mirror". You know, the guitar rythm stays
the same, while the drum rythm changes to make the guitar
sound different? Anyone else notice this? Maybye I'm wrong
(I still can't hear it in the "The Mirror" intro.

Zach

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:24:32 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vauxdvihl
Message-ID: <YlNiwU_00YUqQWsEV5@andrew.cmu.edu>

Vauxdvihl sound much more like fates warning to me than DT or QR. I
highly recommend the cd, though. i got mine for $15 or so from
genesisman@aol.com. its dark and thick... it reminds me of FW's
perfect symmetry with the atmosphere of parallels, but that's not all
there is to it. their lyrics are a little similar to rush's, but less
preachy. i really enjoy this cd and i have nothing but good things to
say about it. they're good songs, harmonically complex, and they have
their own style (though its not without its roots). its good stuff.
give it another try, at least.

we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks
control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise
persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless
left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:28:53 -0500
From: jgreene@acs.bu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Best LaTM version...
Message-ID: <199604062228.RAA225541@acs5.bu.edu>

There really isn't much of a difference. One comes out of
Germany and the other out of Japan. The German ver. has
"Surrounded" where the Japanese has "Another Day." Sound
quality is the same.

Hope that clears it up a bit!

jeffrey g.

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:35:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1412
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960406173059.7314A-100000@zeus>

On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Dave wrote:

> 2. As far as the bikkering about other bands being posted about on the jam:
> We can still keep this a Dream Theater FAN oriented jam and talk about some
> other bands, but some of it does go too far (IMHO). When it comes down to me
> having to defend DT's musicianship, WHY THE FUCK GET THE JAM??? If you are a
> Dream Theater FAN, then subscribe and post. If you're here to tell me they
> aren't top notch musicians, or that other bands are better then GET THE FUCK
> OUT OF THE JAM!
> Although this is a place to post opinions about music, it's main purpose is
> Dream Theater, get it?

I wasn't aware that my favorite band had to be DT in order to take part in
the ytsejam. Sorry...

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 15:43:05 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <199604062349.XAA34765@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>

** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 04/06/96 1:50pm -0800

I just got Savatage's Dead Winter Dead...HOLY
SHIIIIIIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....DAMN I love this cd,
it's my second listen through. It's like Classical combined with
metal and other GREAT stuff inbetween.

I noticed something on the line-up, Al Pitrelli, who is a wicked
guitarist and has played with Alice Cooper for years, did he
just join them? Who is part of the origonal line up...I think
zak steven's isand the drummer, if anyone can tell me, please do
so. I have to say, I thought DT was progressive and after them,
i got into Fates Warning which blew my mind as to what
progressive music can be and now I hear Savatage and this makes
DT look like a bunch of wusses. I wish DT would put out songs
like this.

I also love the concept behind the album, the idea of the stone
gargoyle trying to make sence and all that. One last thing,
Chris Olivia was the one who was killed correct? I saw a tribute
album to him, I can't remember which one died, if it was either
Chris or John but has anyone heard this album and is it worth
getting?

What's Savatage's older material like?

Mark

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ROD...come 'ome....*BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRFFFFFFFFFFFF*...

I'm never going back..to "that Girl" "Juanita" --->Another owner of Maiden's Wasted Years Single
"EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW....allow me to introduce meself..well, you know
who that is, don't you boys and girls!!" Nickie speaking loads of Verbal
________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 16:07:13 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Throw away the middle
Message-ID: <9604070007.AA16385@tengs1>

I don't know about anyone else, but I think the best parts
of Dream Theater songs are at the beginning or the end. My
favorites, off the top of my head, are:

(beginnings)

The Mirror (aka, Puppies on Acid)
Another Crack in the Mirror (from Awake boots, the new Mirror intro)
Pull Me Under
LFAGA (if it weren't for the this, I'd hate this song)
UAGM (well, the whole song is bitchen)
Learning to Live
ACOS

(endings)

ACOS (The Crimson Sunset)
OAMOT (the awesomest moment on WDADU)
Afterlife (simple, but effective)
TOWHTSTS (after the rain and the car starting- what does this
part have to do with the death of Spock???)

SDV (after the vocals end)
Scarred (which is a perfect lead into SDV)
Innocence Faded (I don't think anyone will disagree here)

Okay, I realize these are all instrumental parts (except for the
end of ACOS). It might seem so, but this isn't a slam on James.

later,

Zach

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:49:14 -0400
From: kain@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1414
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.6.-12.49.14.2916992174.271047@bbs.fgallery.com>

Hey Kurt ... they can reply cuz they don't get mails packaged like we
do... they get each mail separately and instantly...

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 18:11:27 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytse-Krod
Message-ID: <199604070111.SAA12417@maple.enet.net>

> Good point made here, Damon!!! I think that most of are very intelligent!!!!

Heeeheeheheheheehee.

>How do I connect to the Dream Theater IRC channel? I have MIRC 3.92 but I
>don't really know how to use it or how to connect to IRC servers.

I need to make my post longer, so:

Start it up...type: /server irc.dreamt.org 2112 When it connects, type:
/join #ytsejam.

Buhbye.

Mr. Cool

We're just a bunch of dorks. :-)

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:11:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@cs.hope.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDs for Sale!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.90.960406200711.19444A@smaug>

If anyone is interested in the following DT CDs, I have them up for
sale. E-mail me an offer (add $2 shipping). All are in "like new"
condition except for slight case damage on A Kick Into A Dream

Subconscious #34 - An original. You know what it is.
Acoustic Dreams #4xx - Also original.
Majesty Demo - 1986 pre-DT demo.
Instrumental I - Instrumental versions of songs from WDADU and some more
instrumental stuff.
Instrumental II - More instrumental stuff, including YYZ, Metropolis, ACOS.
Milan '93 (2 CDs) - Same boot as Lost in the Sky. Excellent soundboard
recording.
A Kick Into a Dream (2 CDs) - Boot from Awake tour. From NYC. Audience
recording. Includes TOWHTSTS, more.

E-mail me if you're interested. I'll let you know if someone beats your
offer. Thanks in advance.

Michael A. Van Opstall -- vnopstal@cs.hope.edu
http://www.cs.hope.edu/~vnopstal/ - try it

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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 20:41:37 EST
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Apologies,and click tracks
Message-ID: <096.05349668.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>

To the Digital man; Sorry wedge, I over reacted also. As Rodney
King once said " Can't we all just get along ?"
Ernie, a click track is any choice of sounds. Neil Peart uses the
sound of a bass drum as a click. If you ever saw the video for GNR's
Sweet child song you hear a beeping sound that is also very popular
for a click sound. The clicks that I have used have been totally
separate from the recorded tracks. They are not the same as a scratch
track which is when the band records a vocal or guitar rhythm for the
purpose of song reference. At mix down time the scratch track is
removed. Normally when you use one, you don't use the other. I hope
that helps!

And the winner in the DT producer contest is !!!!!!!?????
Sorry folks, I just spoke with Kenny Myung and he said the Band
has not settled on a producer yet. Every rumor that we've heard has
been just that, A Rumor.

Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf ( I'm including Digital
Man )

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:46:19 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: philosophy 101
Message-ID: <19960407014617.AAA12389@mail.pananet.com>

With all the talk about musicians and music being art, my mind started
wandering about, and I came up w/ some curious thoughts... warning, I'm in a
pseudo-meditating state:

First curious thought: I was thinking about how, throughout the history of
music, there has always been the 'serious' or classical music which was
usually heard by the upper class, and the folk music, which was mostly heard
by the common man. Rock was derived from a type of folk music, which was
the blues, which came the afro-american culture. Although at first, rock
was pretty much a faster, more energetic form of the blues, it started
growing and expanding, absorbing various musical styles, and branching out
into many sub-genres. Besides that, the radio and the TV were introduced
during this century, which helped rock become the most popular music in the
world (as far as I know). Thus, rock has become something more than folk
music, but still isn't at the high-standards of classical music(you know
what I mean). It sort of fills that gray area that was never there between
these two types of music. Or maybe it was there...I'm not a music
historian. The point is that IMO, we're living in a very important age in
music where all styles of music are starting to blend together, thanks to
the open-mindedness of rock... I'm not saying people don't classify music
anymore, but it's getting harder and harder to do so... don't you think?

Second curious thought: Isn't it weird how there are some people who don't
really find music that important. They just use it as a background for their
lives, but they never actually *listen* to it... strange...

Third curious thought: I dreamt I met Ben Laussade... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!:)

sorry if I mispelled your name Ben

|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
|===========================================================================|
|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
|===========================================================================|

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:59:32 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1414
Message-ID: <19960407025930.AAA12932@mail.pananet.com>

>Can't we all just get along? :)

D-man does his best imitation of Adam Sandler acting as a GAP girl :)

>Hmmm.....lemme look.
>Okay....I see.......how the hell can you tell from there?!?!?!?
>

Actually I can't, I'm just guessing...

>Besides, though...what other song is there a tambourine on?
>

I think MP would be playing that tambourine...WHY? because he's so cool:)

>We're just a bunch of dorks. :-)
>
agreed

>It's a matter of definition.
>I have a different view of the meaning of the word "ART". Art is
creativity, but
>creativity is not necessarily art.
>

that's just the problem... art is such an undefinable thing...

and I mean, do you think
>>Mozart started learning stuff from the middle ages? I think not...
>
>I think yes. Without the previous music, Mozart wouldn't have written what
>he did write.

But he didn't particularly study that music... correct me if I'm wrong, but
wasn't Mozart a prodigy who wrote his first concerto when he was like 9
years old?

Art evolves naturally, just like everything else in this world... for
example DT was influenced by Rush, Rush by Led Zep, Led by those old blues
guys... when I listen to DT, I'm not only getting influenced by DT, but also
by Rush, LZ and the blues guys... get what I'm saying? ... I'm not saying
that learning from the past is bad; it is something which will enrich you're
creativity, but it is not necessary, because we're practically already doing
it naturally... besides, rock, classical, it's still the same damn 12 notes...:)

>I agree with you, but I add one more thing that is the one that makes me be so
>careful to define something art: the content must be original, but the form
>is also very important. I can be the most sensitive and emotional person in the
>world, but if I don't know how to write a poem, I won't write anything that
>can be considered artistic. It's the same for music. You can say that form
>is against spontaneity, that rules are made to be broken. In some cases, yes:
>but you have to know it before you take the freedom of breaking them.

verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus sound familiar? it's not they same
form that classical composeres use, but it's still form...

>P.S. The fact I don't feel so sure about saying DT's music is art DOES NOT
>MEAN that I want to say their music is worthless. I have the HIGHEST possible
>consideration and admiration for their music.
>

I'm well aware of that:)

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 22:04:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Multiphonic Misc. Miasma
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604062155.A25125-0100000@bgnet2.bgsu.edu>

I hate all-nighters. Two tests the week back from spring break aren't
fun. My mind is clearer, although the miasma remains:

>Like I said, a chordal instrument is good to learn if you can so you can
>understand harmony better. Chords on sax don't come out well :)

Ever heard of multiphonics? While you may not be able to get "chords" on
the saxophone per se, you can get multiple tones. Horn players also have
the ability to use circular breathing. Try translating that to guitar
without the aid of a Sustainac pickup.

>"So, I caddied for the Dalai Lama once... and he stiffed me. So I said,
>'Hey, Lama. How 'bout a little something, you know, for the effort?'
>And he said that when I die, on my deathbed, I will achieve
>totalconsciousness. So, I got that goin' for me."

When you see the Dalai Lama, is it okay to say, "Hello Dalai"?

>"MojoMan has spoken." "Gandalf speaks." "That is all." What are you guys,
>Cobra Commander wanna-be's? :)

Cobra Commander is okay, just don't start copying that discombobulated
DNA dimwit Serpentor: "This I command! Cobra la la la la la la!" Besides,
Snake-Eyes is the man! He's the original Silent Man.

>Pretend you're sweep-picking your face and just chomp down on dat
>Fender-medium.

Fender-mediums, eh? I prefer Dunlop Tortex Jazz picks, they're smaller,
and boy, they're pointy!

>Is there a reason everyone says my name three times? It doesn't open any
>magical portals to other dimensions or anything...

Steve Borzilleri Steve Borzilleri Steve Borzilleri...wow, I just
activated the Space Bridge!

> I know I am slow, but that's why they call me the Ytse-Rook.

It would be interesting if Dave Wruck was also a "Ytse-Rook", he'd be
called Ytse-Rook Wruck.

>all of this stuff about who is going to produce the next album and the junk
>about the snare sound/Prater is beginning to induce severe torsion of the
>testis.

Please contact your local physician immediately, Neil!

>To sum up, in my opinion, it is the band's decision that is (should be)
>final, although the possibly more objective view of a good and
>experienced producer could sometimes be useful.

It has been said that bands tend to sound like their influences on their
early albums. I&W was only the second album: they were still partially
forming their musical identity then. Awake demonstrated that DT was
indeed growing, and the future would continue in that "direction". DT
is probably finding their musical niche right now, and the albums from
here on should reflect that, whether they have a good or bad producer.

>I wonder what that means? Am I the only one who skips stuff he doesn't
>find interesting?

No. Thank goodness for ack mode.

>Theres even a part where he tap-bends and it really reminds me of Eddie
>Van Halen, and the chromatics kill me.

The roles have been reversed: life imitates art! "Chro! ma! tic! Death!"

>I kinda like the drum tone on I&W. It's sort of wacky!

Wacky in a good way!

>Grain of salt not included. Some assembly required. Consult with your
>doctor before giving to small children. Use only with adequate
>ventillation. Your millage may vary.

"Weapons do not shoot"

>MojoMan, the one the only steel-faced Cobra Comander, hath spoken.

Then who is the Hooded Cobra Commander? Takers?

>Is he gripping it between his thumb & middle? It's a really weird grip...
>maybe that's his secret.

I think JP grips the pick with his thumb and pointer finger. For faster
passages, he'll place his middle finger on top of his pointer finger for
reinforcement and accuracy.

>I was wondering if there was a logical explanation for this or is it
>just that Japan simply knows great music moreso than America.

Japan knows work ethic, education, and filial piety in addition to great
music more so than America.

>Sorry for all this self-indulgence, but I'm trying to prove a point.

No apologies needed. "The Camera Eye" IS a great song!

>Also, a friend of mine who was in contact with the band a few years
>back said that Steve Whatever-his-name-is moved to Boston to check out
>the scene out there.

Oh no! Bafu has switched coasts! East coast 'Jammers beware.

>With guitar, bass and drums, you can fake it, listen to most of the
>music that's out today, and you will understand how you can get away
>with being a slacking musician. With a piano, you really can't fake it.

You may not be able to "fake it" on a piano, but most keyboards have a
Demo button.

>Happy birthday to me, 4/4 turning 22. And still blind as a bat.

How about 13/8 meter? Riddle me this, riddle me that: who's afraid of
the big black...Damon?

>Same musicians, much different band. I can't help but think that Brune
>had something to do with that.

Broon wasn't the only factor. You have to realize that the band grew
musically, lyrically, and physically. They probably started playing
material that was more pleasing to them than say, the record company.
I'm not downplaying Broon's influence, but don't underestimate a band's
growth.

>I think the one thing that's going to hold them back (or, at least, keep
>them where they are) is that so many people perceive them as The Next
>Dead. It's not really a fair comparison, and from what I've heard, one
>that the band isn't too happy about.

Bands probably hate being referred to the next "(insert band here)".
Unless, you're Oasis. On the other hand, if a band is proud of their
musical influences, it would be flattering.

>No, but it IS possible to learn guitar without using tab - I should
>know, I'm . . . oh, never mind.

Tab isn't necessary: learn the musical vernacular: notes, accidentals,
rests, meters, etc.

>So just remember, the next time you criticize Brian for posting too much,
>think about all those poor monks, who would be without jobs if it weren't
>for him!

The monks also donate their meager earnings to charity.

>Well, concidering many people in my High School like them (Phish), and
>these are the same people who listen to Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, Bush,
>and Pearl Jam, I just assumed that they suck.

The Phish fans around here are really into the Dead, Dave Matthews Band,
and Blues Traveler.

>p.s. anybody check out the Spinal Tap CDRom yet?

I remember seeing it in BMG's CD-ROM brochure. Be careful though, they
may send you a Bootsy Collins CD-ROM instead.

>better yet.. he should still learn it right-handed... I'm left-handed
>and I did and it's better for you in the long run... think about it...
>we have better control of our left hand, and that's the hand we move
>the most... makes sense to me...

Makes sense to me, too. I'm a southpaw, and have been playing guitar the
"traditional" way for 8 years now. It really helped when I played
stand-up bass for orchestra in high school.

>OK....Forgot to tell Tori fans she was on the cover the last months MUSICIAN
>mag. Pretty good article, IMHO, and I don't even like her much.

Attention Tori fans: she is scheduled to perform on Letterman, Monday
April 8.

>Yeah..im left handed and i learned to play right handed...but i havent
>seen any results ehehe ! :)

Patience, you'll see!

>There was also a band here in Denver who's bassist told the band he was
>going to rape a girl, and he did. The rest of the band is having to testify
>against him, which should be rough judging on how tight friends in bands
>are. This is pretty scary.

I don't care how tight bands are, rape is unjustified and unacceptable.

>(Even Kurt Cobain had something good even though I don't care for his
>work, he wasn't a complete monkey, was he?)

I'd say he was more of an ape: "Damn you, dirty apes!"

> Don't make me pull out my secret weapon.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've created, the
ability to fill up an entire 'Jam of posts is insignificant next to the
power of the Force.

>About the subject: am I being flattering, or have I crossed the line into
>assholiness?? :-) (no offense meant, Jack)

"A-holiness"? Sounds like the relationship between Starscream and
Megatron. Anyway, Partha, "shake your thang, ow, do whatcha wanna do".
Us Midwestsejammers have to (Chapman) stick together, don'cha know!

>Can we please go back to the OLD YtseJam?

Yes, bring back the moderation. Maybe someone could be employed as the
moderator. Imagine, getting paid for filtering 'Jams!

>From: Andrew Bunk <ABUNK@wpo.it.luc.edu>
>Subject: Neil Gallop's Brain...or lack thereof
>I have just about any kind of music on my CD rack that you could imagine.
>Saga. John Tesh. Slayer. Alice In Chains. Seal. Edvard Grieg. Etc.
>Because the simple truth of the matter is, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT
>YOU DON'T LIKE.

Don't mess with Mr. Gallop, or you won't be eating hamburgers for a
while. On the flip side of the coin, one could say that no one cares about
what you _do_ like, so judge not, lest ye be judged yourself.

Sincerely,

G. Jack Thetgyi
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