YTSEJAM Digest 1418
Today's Topics:
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2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/07/96 - 21:10:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) from the dictionary
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
4) what the hell?
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
5) Mozart
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
6) AC/DC...
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
7) The mucial ASS thread, AQ
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
8) death
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
9) moonspell
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
10) Videos..
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (D. Abosso)
11) Re: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Tit
by rquezada@shell.monmouth.com (Robert Quezada)
12) Re: what the hell?
by rquezada@shell.monmouth.com (Robert Quezada)
13) I thought he didn't like DT.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
14) Savatage RevistedB
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
15) some brief comments on antiquities
by ytsejammer <belhai@drew.edu>
16) Hi everyone!! MAIL, etc.
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
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Phil N. Groovy
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 16:09:00 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/07/96 - 21:10:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:31:51 -0400
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: from the dictionary
Message-ID: <199604072031.QAA23015@mailserver1.tiac.net>
> > Music. > 1. The art of combining tones to form expressive
> compositions. 2. such > compositions 3. any rhythmic
> sequence of _pleasing_ sounds.
>
> I wholeheartedly disagree with #3. Just because Bob Dylan
> is unpleasant to listen to ("Laak a rowwa stohhh"), doesn't
> mean that he didn't make music.
Sorry about that. That was a definition from a dictionary, not something
I made up. Just to clarify. Of course, you were probably being sarcastic
which is good :).
----> Sorry, but I must disagree with #3. There is a lot of > atonal kind of music out there that very definitely > quilifies under the "music" banner. Consider this. > Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" was so "unpleasant" that when > it was premiered in Paris, a riot endued! It is now a > classic.
On the other hand, I heard that the riot was staged to bring publicity to the event. It was around 1918 wasn't it?
And now........ my opinion. I wrote the toppest part of this post in response to someone who suggested that he can create sounds from his colon that would be music. #3 (above) is a dictionary definition and I'm sure not suggesting that anyone believe everything he reads, however, I think that pleasing sounds is more in line with instruments and tones rather than plain noise. I high harmonic played on a sax may not be too pleasant but it is a tone produced my an instrument and may very well be used in a composition whereas an engine backfiring may be less unpleasant than said saxaphone but not considered pleasing in a musical way. The example of The Rite of Spring is a bad one because there are many people who find it quite pleasing :)
--Marc Respass (marcr@tiac.net) Come visit the Joel Rivard Group home page at http://www.tiac.net/users/marcr/
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:31:57 -0400 From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: what the hell? Message-ID: <199604072031.QAA23020@mailserver1.tiac.net>
>Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:50:14 +0200 >From: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za, >sf4einlink22@vax1.vax.joburg.org.za, >To: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za >Subject: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Titles >Message-ID: <v01530523ad89e41c4f65@[128.227.163.147]>
What the hell was that and why is it on the Jam? Maybe everyone on the Jam (what are there, 1000 subscribers?) should email this butthead. Be sure to quote the entire jam when you do.
"Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU> said: > Monday, I am gonna call information and get this outfits > phone number and chew them out
[snip]
> Who's with me?
Yeah man. Post the number.
--Marc Respass (marcr@tiac.net) Come visit the Joel Rivard Group home page at http://www.tiac.net/users/marcr/
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:31:49 -0400 From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mozart Message-ID: <199604072031.QAA23011@mailserver1.tiac.net>
> But he didn't particularly study that music... correct me if > I'm wrong, but wasn't Mozart a prodigy who wrote his first > concerto when he was like 9 years old?
Actually, Mozart was very familiar with many eras of music. He had a lot of admiration and respect for Bach's music for instance which was considered old when Mozart was writing.
--Marc Respass (marcr@tiac.net) Come visit the Joel Rivard Group home page at http://www.tiac.net/users/marcr/
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:04:32 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: AC/DC... Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.7.15.4.32.12465.1233@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
(sorry no DT content) but.........
I just had to mention that AC/DC was here in Kansas City April
2nd. I grew up with the music, but really don't get into them
like I used to. The only reason I went is #1: fifth row! and
I was with about 6 of my friends. Had a good time. I've never
seen em before, but glad I did. Had a LOUD time. hehehe...
Another show I am excited is : STYX. The original MEMBERS
are in this tour! Should be a GREAT show!
Sorry for the delay on the DT WATCHES. I am still waiting for
a quote from the watch company. If you are interested in getting
a DT watch, (and haven't told me), then let me know.
take care,
Todd
H A P P Y E A S T E R
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:15:12 -0700 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The mucial ASS thread, AQ Message-ID: <199604072115.OAA03707@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
Just a quick couple things:
1. I can't believe there's so much bandwidth given to whether someone making noises with their ass is music or not.
2. I see people with numbers as high as the 80's have already got their copies of Antiquities. I've got #027 and mine still isn't here yet and I live just one state over.
Scott Cook
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 17:07:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: death Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.92.960407170351.7356A-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
sorry, i've been gone a few days, so this may be a little outdated. about death being compared to dt: i am a huge fan of both bands, and you simply can't compare the two and do either band justice. dt does lots of things death doesn't do, and death does just as many things that dt doesn't do. comparing them is useless. and putting down one of them is even stupider. and, yes, chuck schuldiner is a huge dt fan. the time i got to sit down and talk to him and he asked me about my influences, i mentioned dt, and he started gushing with compliments about their music.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Matt Rosin * - S U R R E A L I T Y - PO Box 15315 * ethereal/ambient/experimental College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming/etc. 77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu * email: imagescape@tamu.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 17:09:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: moonspell Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.92.960407170720.7356B-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
i would like to recomend a band to all of you jammers. the band moonspell is sort of a combination of paradise lost, type o negative, and dt. this is superb black-goth metal, very innovative, and definitely worth checking out. they're on the century media label, and their latest album is titled "wolfheart". all you black metal and gothic fans will love it. check it out.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Matt Rosin * - S U R R E A L I T Y - PO Box 15315 * ethereal/ambient/experimental College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming/etc. 77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu * email: imagescape@tamu.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:28:54 -0400 From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (D. Abosso) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Videos.. Message-ID: <199604072228.AA09489@osfn.rhilinet.gov>
Hello, I was wondering if the people that have videos with Charlie D. in them, while he was still with DT, would sell me a copy... I am very interested in seeing a live performance that he did, so, if any of you out there have the means to record it to another tape, I would gladly buy it... Dan
-- Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll climb...
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 22:33:18 GMT From: rquezada@shell.monmouth.com (Robert Quezada) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Tit Message-ID: <31684217.269677@shell.monmouth.com>
On Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:00:51 -0700, you wrote:
>OK, I sick and tired of this shit. Monday, I am gonna call information and >get this outfits phone number and chew them out. If there are no objections, >I'll post the number to the 'Jam, so others can participate. :) Also, >I think a mass snail mail campaign to these folks might be a good idea. > >I've made this same offer on Freaks (Marillion list), so if a good portion of >both lists write these people, maybe something will change. > >Who's with me?
Not me. Don't you think that they might be expecting this? I mean, they posted with a From address that's fake. Don't you think that maybe their address, company name, and phone # might be fake as well? It could very well be some other person's address that the sender of the Spam is trying to get even with.
rq
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 22:41:59 GMT From: rquezada@shell.monmouth.com (Robert Quezada) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: what the hell? Message-ID: <31684354.586423@shell.monmouth.com>
On Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:38:51 -0700, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:50:14 +0200 >>From: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za, >>sf4einlink22@vax1.vax.joburg.org.za, >>To: nicola.du.plessis@uni.durban.ac.za >>Subject: ---> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 290+ Popular USA Titles >>Message-ID: <v01530523ad89e41c4f65@[128.227.163.147]> > >What the hell was that and why is it on the Jam? Maybe everyone on the >Jam (what are there, 1000 subscribers?) should email this butthead. Be >sure to quote the entire jam when you do. > I tried clogging up their e-mail with the Spam copied 40 times in one e-mail message. It got returned as undeliverable because the e-mail addresses were fake. We're complaining to each other about it, but what can we do? Until this list starts rejecting mail sent from non-subscribers, there won't be an end to this.
It's a spam...... It shouldn't be here, but some ass decided to post it. Why does everyone have to complain after a Spam is posted? It's just as bad reading numerous complaints as reading the spam itself. Remember what happened with the last spam? There were numerous postings from the list complaining about the spam. Well, here we go again.....
rq
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:59:28 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I thought he didn't like DT. Message-ID: <199604072259.PAA01705@maple.enet.net>
>"I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet" -me
Dave Mustaine? Partha is Dave Mustaine? Hmm.....I guess you could have said that, but yoau were on a Sweating Bullets kick in the beginning of your post, so I just assumed....oh, nevermind.
>> I wasn't aware that my favorite band had to be DT in order to take part in >> the ytsejam. Sorry... > >Geez, guess that means I'll be leaving, too. I'll stick to the *ugh* NMS. >
I guess you will be, D-Man. Get the hell out of here. We don't like your kind.
>> >Can we please go back to the OLD YtseJam? >> >> Yes, bring back the moderation. Maybe someone could be employed as the >> moderator. Imagine, getting paid for filtering 'Jams! > >* D-Man waves his arms in the air wildly, screaming "I'll do it for >money!!!" (I bet someone's going to take that out of context and fling >it back at me, but oh well. :)
Ugh. Moderation.
>you know what? I've been on the King's X mailing list for a while, and Ty >Tabor, their guitarists, regularly posts on it. Wouldn't it be cool if one >of the DT guys posted on the jam (for real)? hint*hint*hint :) >
Yeah, but they'd probably have to SUBSCRIBE first. :-)
>Jon Oliva - Vocals >Criss Oliva - guitar >Keith Collins - bass >Steve "Doc" Wacholz - drums
Is Steve Wacholz the big scary looking guy on the far left in the picture on the front of Streets?
>It is still really hard to talk about. Chris's >tombstone quotes Believe (off of Streets) > >"I'll be right there > I will never leave > All I ask of you is believe"
My favorite song of the week, no less.
>Hm. I describe Savatage as "What every wanna-be band would sound like if >Prog was mainstream" I think DWD is a good album, and I commend them for >their commitment to concept albums, but it hardly puts DT to shame, IMO. It >still has an awfully "ordinary" sound to it. >
You consider 'Tage prague? I don't really think so. And, I don't think it puts DT to shame. They're two different kinds of bands. They're not trying to compete with eachother. Why am I replying to that? You weren't even talking to me. Oh well....
>>so. I have to say, I thought DT was progressive and after them, >>i got into Fates Warning which blew my mind as to what >>progressive music can be and now I hear Savatage and this makes >>DT look like a bunch of wusses. I wish DT would put out songs >>like this.
Whoops. I neglected to read what Chris Oates was replying to. Why do you wish DT would put out songs like that? If they did, then they would sound just like Savatage, then there wouldbe no reason to have both bands in existence, so one would just cease to BE. Of course, there's about 3 groups of alternative bands that are trying to sound like eachother, and still exist...so, I guess I'm wrong. But I don't want anybody to sound like anybody. Repetitiveness is the worst thing that can happen to a band...if they really care about the music, that is. All this is, of course, In MY Opinion.
>My name's not Neil, but I contacted my local psychic, or rather I was about >to when the phone rang and this voice said "You mis-read the post, dummy!" >That ever happen to anyone else before?
No...but to answer ALL of your questions:
Yes. No. Green. Ten. Aunt Lucy's hamster No. No. Oh GOD, no! Maybe. Sure...lemme slip into something more comfortable.
Well, those were the most important ones anyways. :-)
Well, I'm going to kick my brother's ass at Command and Conquer now. I'll reply to the rest of the Jam's later. Seeya.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
I figured I'd save time by putting all the smileys that would normally be in my post in my .sig.
Mr. Cool
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:39:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Savatage RevistedB Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604071817.A7672-0100000@vision.d.umn.edu>
On Sun, 7 Apr 1996, Ben Laussade wrote:
> >Steve "Doc" Wacholz - drums > > Is Steve Wacholz the big scary looking guy on the far left in the > picture on the front of Streets? >
Yep, that is him.
> >It is still really hard to talk about. Chris's > >tombstone quotes Believe (off of Streets) > > > >"I'll be right there > > I will never leave > > All I ask of you is believe" > > My favorite song of the week, no less.
In a recent poll this song topped the list of best Savatage songs.
> > >Hm. I describe Savatage as "What every wanna-be band would sound like if > >Prog was mainstream" I think DWD is a good album, and I commend them for > >their commitment to concept albums, but it hardly puts DT to shame, IMO. It > >still has an awfully "ordinary" sound to it. > > > > You consider 'Tage prague? I don't really think so. And, I don't think it > puts DT to shame. They're two different kinds of bands. They're not trying > to compete with eachother. Why am I replying to that? You weren't even > talking to me. Oh well.... > > >>so. I have to say, I thought DT was progressive and after them, > >>i got into Fates Warning which blew my mind as to what > >>progressive music can be and now I hear Savatage and this makes > >>DT look like a bunch of wusses. I wish DT would put out songs > >>like this. > > Whoops. I neglected to read what Chris Oates was replying to. Why do you > wish DT would put out songs like that? If they did, then they would sound > just like Savatage, then there wouldbe no reason to have both bands in > existence, so one would just cease to BE. Of course, there's about 3 groups > of alternative bands that are trying to sound like eachother, and still > exist...so, I guess I'm wrong. But I don't want anybody to sound like > anybody. Repetitiveness is the worst thing that can happen to a band...if > they really care about the music, that is. All this is, of course, In MY > Opinion.
Excellently put Ben. Here are my two cents on this... Both bands are excellent bands, but I wouldn't want either of them trying to copy the others style. I believe that is more techincally advanced in their individual ability on their instruments and in the musical compositions they write.
that is all for now,
Nate Bradley http://vision.d.umn.edu/~nbradley/savatage/
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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 21:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: ytsejammer <belhai@drew.edu> To: ytse Jim <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: some brief comments on antiquities Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960407212215.562072764A-100000@drew.edu>
1) The sound quality is amazing on the live tracks and pretty good on the vocalist auditions.
2) I swear, but after hearing the first part of this version of ACOS with JL, I thought I was hearing Michael Jackson. ex: "I rememebr a time, my frail virgin mind...watch the crimson sunrise, imagine what it might find..." Yes, after hearing this part, I thought of MJ. When you get your copy of AQ, tell me if you agree or if you think I'm insane.
3) Steve Stone (who sung "Metropolis" on this CD) reminds me of Charlie Dominici.
Well, those are my comments. The CD is worth getting. Those live tracks kick so much ass!!!
...Brandon
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:55:32 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hi everyone!! MAIL, etc. Message-ID: <199604080255.TAA08925@bud.indirect.com>
Hi everyone, just a few things I need to mention.
Just got back from a weekend of musical work, mainly with the band, and my e-mailbox is overflowing! I almost had it under control the last time too. :) Well I swear I will spend Monday COMPLETELY answering EVERY message in it. Why can I do this, because...:
...EVERY Antiquities order is packed at this time, and every USA order has been mailed. International orders are all packed, and I will be sending them this week, for the most part. Postage is usually pretty heavy on them, so even though it's being paid for with each order, I can only do so many in one day with the current available funds.
A few questions about Antiquities have come up! Here's some of the stuff people have been wondering about. * Lie was omitted because the track jumps to MONO about halfway through. Played on my DAT straight to the speakers, it's stereo but the right channel is REALLY messed up. My computer was auto-correcting that by using the left track over it. It didnt make for good listening. It will, for completeness' sake, be included on the cassette-only compilation that I eventually make to include all the extra takes and songs I've had to leave off my CDs. * There's a bit of hiss/distortion on the vocalist audition tracks. Your CD isn't defective; the voc-aud tapes were just really old and analog, and there is a lot of hiss that has been removed, so it's as clean as I've heard it, believe me. :) * The AQ version of Don't Look Past Me is, to my knowledge, the only recording known where James sings. I wish I had a studio master, but alas, ACOS and DLPM were dropped during the demo stage of the IAW recording. To Live Forever was also dropped.
Bands and boots: this is a tricky issue that has gotten a whole lot better lately as more bands realize the harmlessness of modern bootlegging. At this point, every member of DT _except_ Petrucci has copies of my CDs, generally obtained through friends of theirs or Mike. I hope they're having fun with them, I am glad to see that they were willing to accept gifts of my CDs. I've also spoken with Galactic Cowboys members Ben Huggins and Wally Farkas, and they don't mind one bit if you decide to set up a tripod and film their show. (hint!!) though it DOES help to ask permission to be sure. But on the other side of the coin there are bands like +Live+ that, for some reason, are against bootlegs. Just like Rush. Rush doesn't like them because they want their best efforts to be the shows that are propagated, and they truly regret bad nights and "off" shows. They'd rather NOT have those shows included in record collections across the nation. Thus, they like to "control" the live-album aspect of their music. Some bands, like Queensryche and Phish, have gone the distance and blatantly allowed taping. Applause.
OK that about covers things for now. Feel free to e-mail me if you choose to, for any reason, business or pleasure. Take it easy!!
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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