YTSEJAM Digest 1422
Today's Topics:
1) Spanish semantics by way of Chicago
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/08/96 - 23:18:50" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) A Crack In The Mirror
by 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu>
4) DT a bunch of wankers?
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
5) IRC/Queensryce Live Shows
by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
6) Hi! I'm the new guy...
by adr93001@uconnvm.uconn.edu (Andrew Rittner)
7) Top 10 Posters list
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
8) 3T on AQ
by Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1421
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
10) Good Thrash Metal (NDTC)
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
11) Re: Journey Reunion
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com>
12) Re: Criss Oliva's grave
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
13) RUSH TRIBUTE
by John Hough <srvrip@qualcomm.com>
14) asdf (WWW generated email)
by zahed ali <zali@osf1.gmu.edu>
15) Hello
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:55:47 GMT
From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spanish semantics by way of Chicago
Message-ID: <199604082155.VAA20801@pipe11.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
On Apr 08, 1996 11:22:34, 'ytsejam@ax.com' wrote:
>Today's Topics:
David the Magical Kobayashi wrote:
>yo estoy muy canzado. yo tengo que estudiar para mi clase de kaplan esta
>noche, y yo tengo que presentar un papel para mi clase de filosofia
manana. y
>su madre parece como un toro violado.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the original crackhead (don't let anyone else tell ya differently)
>david the magical kobayashi.
>speaking of, i was a crackhead would go and rape those pesky chicago
bulls.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But then wouldn't they look like "your" mother?
Philosophize that.
Oh yeah, NDTC.
Oh yeah, part two: Propellers (ask Gene Hoglan) and butt cheeks
(aerosmith) can be instruments - why not a fart?
Oh yeah, part three: Ciccone's a goon.
-- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!! 59 and counting....------------------------------
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 18:17:36 EDT From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/08/96 - 23:18:50" <response@ibmmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: <199604082217.PAA10479@mindcrime.ax.com>
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Crack In The Mirror Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960408152931.16897A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hi guys:
The other day I got a copy of the Awake In Japan video (thanks Brandon) and I had noticed that in the intro to the Mirror, they rip off an Anthrax song in the heavy syncopated intro leading into the Mirror. Anyone else notice this? The riff that they stole is from 1:27 of the song This Is Not An Exit from the Sound Of White Noise album. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling DT a pack of theives, they only used the riff in concert as a lead-in, I just thought that it was interesting and wondered if anyone else had noticed this?
Just picked up the Ivanhoe CD Symbols of Time the other night and so far it's pretty good. I was a little disappointed when I first heard it because I had heard such rave reviews of this band that I was under the impression that they were the next DT or something. They are nowhere near as complex, but their songs are well written.
Finally, anyone out there with DT concerts on video interested in a trade, please email me. Thanks. Later.
-Scott
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:08:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT a bunch of wankers? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960408175417.28014A@comp.uark.edu>
Greetings jammers,
I found this nice little article on rec.music.artists.queensryche and thought it a bit interesting and that maybe someone would want to comment on the content included... I did not write it, so don't go flaming me, and if you want to respond how about some thought out musings on it, not 'that guy sucks'...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****Forwarded message**** From: bl003c@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This whole issue seems to me to be a very important one. I really am someone who marvels at Dream Theater's technique, but at the same time feel they are as songwriters, a bunch of no-talent wankers. A lot of their songs are based on exercises in speedy chops and flashy licks. They know what to do musically on the fretboard, but in truth they lack the real songwriting skills that a band like Queensryche has. DT are more about playing solos than anything else, that's clear. This is why one cannot lump them in with Rush, Queensryche, etc. *none* of those bands spends half a song on a solo, none of them.
While I am not faulting them for being good musicians, I am faulting DT for not having the good sense to play with emotion in their music. It's very two-dimensional. It's like they took everything they learned on the classroom chalkboard and said, "we need to use every one of these scales in a song". Definitely an 80's style band, Dream Theater fans while may claim there is emotion in DT's music, are wrong. In truth, there is nothing heartfelt about long, self-indulgent solo passages. Unfortunately without the shredding, DT really have no band, because they cannot just write "songs" without soloing through them. It doesn't help that the bassist, keyboardist, and guitarist are all competing for who is the virtuouso of the band.
Stay away from cpmparing the band to Queensryche, as QR are much more imaginative than DT. DT could and will never come up with a brilliant concept like Operation MIndcrime. Simply put.
Ben --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***End forwarded message*** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now obviously I don't agree with the post... I think the writer probably hasn't given DT much of a chance. At first listen it would be very easy to classify DT as 'a bunch of no-talent wankers'. However, I'm sure that all of us after many listens have grown to love the intricacies in each DT song and find a bottomless well of emotion contained in each and every one... from Space Dye Vest to Pull Me Under to 6:00 to Another Day to ACOS.
Just wanted to share this with you guys and see if anyone had some intelligent comments to make about this guys opinion.
DrX -- aka Death
/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | It is against the law for a monster to enter the corporate | | limits of Urbana, Illinois. | \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ \------ Ed : ereed@comp.uark.edu, drx@reich.uark.edu ---------------/
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:15:42 -0700 (MST) From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: IRC/Queensryce Live Shows Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960408161321.24119A-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>
Two things
1) I'm interested in getting in on the DT IRC stuff...where's it at, and about what times is everyone there?
2) I'm looking for some Queenryche boots from the last tour...preferably the Great Woods show from July, 95. Any of them will do though. If anyone has one, or anyone knows where to get a hold of one, let me know.
THanks!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Once lost but I was found When I heard the stained glass shatter all around me I sent the spirits tumbling down the hill But I will hold this one on high above me still She whispers words to clear my mind I once could see but now at last I'M BLIND
---------------> Kevin Moore <----------> Surrounded <--------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Devil's Plaything --- papined@pr.erau.edu --- David Papineau +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 19:17:14 From: adr93001@uconnvm.uconn.edu (Andrew Rittner) To: ytsejam@ax.com (YtseJam) Subject: Hi! I'm the new guy... Message-ID: <yam6672.1157710.19287296@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
Hey there! I've been poking around the DT areas of the WWW lately, and discovered the #ytsejam IRC channel. I decided "what the hell!" and went on last night. Well, everyone there was really nice, and encouraged me to join this mailing list, so here I am.
I thought I'd say a little about me, just so anyone who cared could know. I'm a 6th semester (junior) at the University of Connecticut, majoring in Audio Engineering. My primary focus is live theater, but I've taken piles of classes in MIDI, and general sound stuff. Hard to give 3.5 years of classes in one post, so I won't. I've been a big fan of DT since 1992, when a friend of mine's cousin introduced us to IAW and his Japanese copy of WDADU. Or at least I think that's what it was. Anyhoo, I immediatey bought all of the DT stuff I could find, and I now have IAW, Awake, ACOS, Live at the Marquee, and the Silent Man single. I just today put in my money order for WDATU and AQ. From what I hear they'll be worth it.
I've been a musician (regardless of the current list discussion's opinion of what makes one) since 4th grade. I currently play the euphonium, trumpet, keys, and bass guitar (in that order). I'm in the UConn Marching Band, and I'm in the pep band for the UConn Men's Basketball team.
I guess that's probably more that anyone wanted to know about me at any one time, so I'll quit now, and get back to reading the digests.
Bye!
Andy Rittner adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~adr93001
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:21:19 -0700 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Top 10 Posters list Message-ID: <199604082321.QAA22941@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
THE TOP 10 LIST OF MOST FREQUENT YTSEJAM POSTERS ------------------------------------------------ 1. DreamNDay@aol.com (176) 2. RESPONSE at IBMMAIL (156) 3. Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> (78) 4. Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> (68) 5. "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> (65) 6. WildKoba@aol.com (61) 7. "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu> (56) 8. Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> (46) 9. KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) (45) 10. Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> (44)
Wow, that was exciting ! "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL" nearly won the race ! These people either have no life (like me) or really have a lot of interresting things to share with us (you be the judge)
Anyway, Congratulations DreamNDay! You've managed to send 176 messages in about 4 1/2 months !!! Nice job !!! Notice the fact that DreamNDay posted 98 times more than Steve, the nr. 3 poster. How about starting a DreamNDay mailing list ? Maybe then we can go back to just 1 Ytsejam a day! We wouldn't even need moderation for that. (just a thought) -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think that's really fair singling out DreamNDay like that? Yes, he is the undisputed champ as far as total # of posts, but you're not looking at the complete picture. When DreamNDay posts they may be many, but they're usually pretty short. A lot of people may only post once on a jam, but it takes up half the jam! Plus, DreamNDay is out of the country at the moment, so I don't think it's fair to be picking on someone when they're not around to defend themselves. If you don't like the way the jam is, then why don't you unsubscribe. It's really not that difficult and that way you don't have to see all those posts by one person.
Scott Cook
ps. The space that was used up bitching about Brian was about three posts of bandwidth of Brian's.
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Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 16:30:43 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 3T on AQ Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960408162618.15354A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
my roommate pointed this out to me. at 2:53 of 3T, james is doing something. what could it possibly be? is he...? no, he couldn't have! HE DID!!! HE GIGGLED!
like i said, that is my roommate's take on it. it does sound like he does giggle (or something), but i would think that would throw him off, yet it doesn't slow him down. i watched LiT over the weekend and at the same part, there is a slight something present, but not quite as apparent as on AQ. so does anyone have any ideas?
keith
"I understand mine's a risky plan and your system can't miss But is security after all a cause or symptom of happiness?" Kevin Moore--Dream Theater "Only a Matter of Time"
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1421 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604081946.B1088-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: SPAMMERS/other stuff > > Anybody heard from al balkewicz? What a loser!
For God's sake, Pat! Don't you think we would have let you know if we'd heard from Al so that we could stop seeing this stuff???
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> From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> > Subject: Crap (ytsecrap post) > > There has got to be a way around all this bull crap on the list, with the
[etc, etc. You all read it the first time.]
Andy, I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, something tells me that the spammers aren't going to see this message (or any like it) because they don't read the Jam. Or any other list. They probably just got the address from the LOMML or something.
"I'm done with *this* guy!" - Vincent Gambino, _My Cousin Vinny_
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> From: mojoman@pointblank.com > Subject: Crackhead, yeah! > > Now that the fight is dead and gone....I have to say that both > D-man and Gandalf came out with an even score. 2-2. game point 5.
Hmm... time to get really creative now. (Kidding, John! Kidding!)
> Big Question...does anyone know the exact string of phrase's > said on the recorded version of ACOS...(The part just before James would > sing live, "Please Don't Go") The string ends with "she was killed" > ..what is the whole thing?
We went over this once in October or something. Anyone remember if we got 'em all? The first sample is "It's the most awful thing you'll ever hear." I remember that one. Other than that, I can't really make any out. Is this in the FAQ (Jason)?
> "Go to sleep with a hard problem, wake up with a solution in hand."
ewwww... > -Keu
Well, *that* explains it. :)
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> From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> > Subject: Re: Power Station > > Point of clarification: Glenn Frey (of the Eagles) sang "The Heat Is > On". Power Station had two hits: "Get It On (Bang A Gong)", and a song > entitled "Feel The Heat" or "Some Like It Hot", I think. Robert Palmer was > the lead singer, but the guitarist and bassist were from Duran Duran. I > don't know if Tony Levin was ever in an incarnation.
Oh, yeah. Thanks. :)
> The Analog Kid, > > G. Jack Thetgyi
Everyone keeps steppin' on my lines and shit! :)
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> From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> > Subject: Antiquities > > Metropolis > -And now for the other end of the spectrum. This blows big time. > Not that the music is bad (this is DT afterall). The liner notes say that > Steve Stones takes a Coverdale approach to the song. More like a shit > approach to the song. There is an interesting little "round" (I don't > know the musical terminology) happening during the "Swimming in a lake of > fire" line, but that can't save his pathetic delivery. With my luck, he's > a member of this list and I'll be awakened tomorrow morning by a > disgruntled frontman pounding on my bedroom door.
Remember, Steve, that's MAIN campus, NOT Pearl Street. :)
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> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> > Subject: Itchy proudly presents: 'The Most Frequent Poster'-award > > Amount of posters : 708 > Amount of messages : 4133 > > THE TOP 10 LIST OF MOST FREQUENT YTSEJAM POSTERS
Itchy, this is cool as shit!
> 7. "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu> (56)
Seven?!?!? Jeez, I thought I'd be higher than that. :) BTW, did you also include everything from cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu and cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu in this total? Just curious...
------------------------------------------------------------------------ \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ ,. \`@" cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Good Thrash Metal (NDTC) Message-ID: <199604082350.TAA66963@pilot12.cl.msu.edu>
Anyone who likes bands in the vein of Biohazard, Machine Head, Korn, etc. should check out Universal Stomp. They've got an EP and a full-length CD out on the Overture label available through CDConnection.com. This is really intense stuff! And they're even awesome live! Let me know what you think if you do check them out...
Later, Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter "Ynos" --- Have boots. Will dub. Subcon, AD, WDATU, (coming soon) Ant., SFAM, & PT!
"There are three basic personalities in the world today: the sheep, who go with whatever seems to be popular at the moment and always cite others opinions when justifying their own, the shepherds, whose only desire is to have their opinions cited as important, and the eagles, who don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. The sheep and the shepherds are so wrapped up in their cycle of mutual admiration that they rarely notice the existence of the eagles; when they do it is always to condemn them for being "strange" and "offensive to society". I know which one I am...do you?" ---adapted from themes in The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand
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Date: 08 Apr 96 20:50:11 EDT From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Journey Reunion Message-ID: <960409005010_103362.445_JHL136-1@CompuServe.COM>
>For those who are interested: Journey has reunited, and will >release a new album a little more than 2 months from now. The line-up >is the original Escape + Frontiers line-up. (Steve Perry, Steve Smith, >Ross Valory, Neal Schon, and Jonathan Cain)
Was anybody else hoping that Greg Rollie was going to be in the lineup instead of Jon Cain? Infinity/Evolution/Departure IMO were far superior to Escape/Frontiers.
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:51:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Criss Oliva's grave Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604081908.A1807-0100000@vision.d.umn.edu>
On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Jaime Kimpton wrote:
> Nate Bradley wrote: > > driver attempted to pass a semi truck. He ran head on into Criss and Dawn. > > Actually, last I heard (a few weeks ago from a friend of the band's who > lives near Tampa), Dawn was NOT fully recovered - given the list of injuries > I was told she had, she's probably still going to be recuperating for a > while to come. I don't remember half the list I was given anymore, but > supposedly it included a broken back, and I *think* she's still in a > wheelchair; I'll have to check the letter to be sure. If anyone knows for
When I last spoke to a close friend of Criss & Dawn's, he said that she had recovered physically but was still coping with the emotional trauma. I will try to check into this again.
Nathan Bradley nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:01:50 -0700 From: John Hough <srvrip@qualcomm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RUSH TRIBUTE Message-ID: <199604090201.TAA26398@tyler.qualcomm.com>
Just read this on SFK newsletter:
> >The upcoming RUSH tribute will be slightly different than all the other >tribute albums we've been deluged with as of late. Instead of a different >band on each track, a supergroup will perform the entire album. This band >will consist of: Billy Sheehan, Mike Portnoy, James Murphy, Deen Castronova, >Devin Townsend, Sebastian Bach and James LaBrie. Lots of people to recreate >the sounds of three... >
Cool Huh?
John Hough - srvrip@qualcomm.com
GO PADRES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:59:40 -0400 From: zahed ali <zali@osf1.gmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <199604090259.WAA09986@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
please put me on your fan club mailing list thank you
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:37:13 -0600 From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hello Message-ID: <199604090337.VAA12920@henge.com>
I get my permit tomorrow at 8:30AM. Rock!
I just figured out the real reason that I love Dream Theater. The music is so soothing. Most harder music relaxes you for a little bit but then makes you angrier. DT lets you get your aggression out but doesn't take you to the terminally angry point.
What is the real reason we like DT.
I sent a check to the guy who was re-releasing Subconcious. I know that I have to wait 10 working days for the check to clear, but I am getting real anxious to hear it. If it's not in by next Friday I will have to kill some small furry animal. Save the furry animal, and send me Subconcious. (Don't kill yourself sending it, I'm just bored and rambling.)
Later, Cory
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