YTSEJAM Digest 1451
Today's Topics:
1) DT shirts
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/18/96 - 12:49:16" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1450
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
4) Re: CD Quality
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
5) CIAW boot
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
6) new metallica
by Cornholio <hiw100@psu.edu>
7) Angra & dreammt.org
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) Angra & dreammt.org
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
9) Sorry.
by clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu (Corey E Cleary)
10) Overkill, Chroma Key, Carpe Diem
by eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
11) Vote For TP ! (fwd)
by dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Thrak)
12) This is a good thing...
by clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu (Corey E Cleary)
13) Overkill
by Seth Hatlelid <napkins@clandjop.com>
14) Gilbert (NDTC)
by eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
15) Re: question for drummers
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
16) triggers for Miller
by dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Thrak)
17) Post...
by clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu (Corey E Cleary)
18) Re: Dissappointed (unabomber stuff)
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
19) Jason Skewes?
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
20) DT Intregity...
by Adam Pye <alpine@negia.net>
21) Ken Maupin
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
22) Re: una-bomber/Zappa
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1448
by Zamster <zamster@apple.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:34:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT shirts
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960418073145.8949A-100000@Pegasus>
Does Dream Theater have a fan club where you can order their shirts? I'm
looking for an ACOS or Awake shirt.
Walter.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:47:59 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/18/96 - 12:49:16" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:34:14 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1450
Message-ID: <v01510104ad9baeb3b781@[137.238.26.12]>
>>-BABS
>>
>>"I like pleasure spiked with pain, and music is my aeroplane - it's my
>>aeroplane"
>>
>>-Red Hot Chile Peppers
>
>"Chile"? I guess Flea and co. are using Jimi Hendrix's "chile" (rhymes
>with mile) now! (smiley face)
No actually BABS had a typo. This might surprise all of you, but I'm not
perfect ya know (giggle). Actually I think that it's from too many years
of working in the Foreign Language department on campus, I confused it w/
the country.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:47:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD Quality
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960418074028.12237A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
> >I have a question about cd quality. I know that analog tapes diminish in
> >sound quality the more you listen to the and the older they are. Does
> >the same thing happen to cds?
>
> I was not aware of this. I thought the general rule of thumb was that
> CDs will "last a lifetime" as long as they are stored properly. By
> "storing properly", I mean no dust, scratches, fingerprints, cigarette
> smoke, extreme temperatures, liquids, scalding hot Tang, usage as beverage
> coasters, or substitute frisbees. As far as gold CDs, I've never owned
> or listened to one, so I can't say.
Come on, what kind of question is this anyhow? For those of you that
aren't aware of this fact: CD's are a *digital* media... digital
meaning that the music is stored as a bunch of 1's and 0's. Tapes on the
other hand are analog, using relative strength of a signal as part of the
process to reproduce sound. So, where an analog tape will wear out over
time due to overplay by the magnetic impulses weakening (I'm not a
scientist, so don't flame me if I have this a *little* bit off), a CD
does not suffer from that problem.
If your CD sound quality goes down, it's not going to be something like
the sound gradually becoming softer or weaker... it's gonna be something
to the effect of skipping. Or if the signal is somehow damaged by heat
or such (without it warping the CD beyond playability), then you are just
gonna get garbage where your 1's and 0's got garbled.
DrX -- aka Death
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| You've come to see the doctor, cause I'll show you the cure. |
| I'm gonna take away the questions, yeah I'm gonna make you sure. |
I========Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime===============================I
| | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| I'm the new messiah, Death Angel with a gun. | drx@reich.uark.edu |
| Dangerous in my silence, deadly to my cause. | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:43:39 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CIAW boot
Message-ID: <9604181343.AA18399@keppel.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
I just got the Caught In A Web boot.
That is the greatest version of Metropolis ever!!!
Graham B.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:17:28 -0400
From: Cornholio <hiw100@psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new metallica
Message-ID: <199604181517.LAA28882@r02n06.cac.psu.edu>
Comes out on June 4th at the local store.
______________________________________
"When sometimes I wake up screaming,
will my fears survive when I fall asleep?"
---Superior---
______________________________________
"The way your heart beats, makes all the
difference, It's what decides if you will endure
the pain that we all feel; The way your heart
beats Makes all the difference in Learning to
Live. Spread before you is your soul, So forever
hold the dreams within our hearts; Thru natures
inflexible grace I'm learning to live."
---Dream Theater---
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:25:19 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra & dreammt.org
Message-ID: <19960418152415.AAA27741@mail.pananet.com>
A Brazilian guy I met the other day told me that Angra's singer took singing
lessons w/ Geoff Tate. Is that true?
Screw dreamt.org... I want an eastwest.com account! :)
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:27:31 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra & dreammt.org
Message-ID: <19960418152729.AAA27834@mail.pananet.com>
A Brazilian guy I met the other day told me that Angra's singer took singing
lessons w/ Geoff Tate. Is that true?
Screw dreamt.org... I want an eastwest.com account! :)
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:57:38 -0500
From: clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu (Corey E Cleary)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry.
Message-ID: <199604181557.KAA29328@tuvok.marian.edu>
>Adam Pye
Hey man, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was slammin' on
you. I was just agreeing with the other guy. My deepest appoligies.
Corey E. Cleary
Somewhere in the promises
I've fallen...
Deep beneath the light. --ME.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:39:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Overkill, Chroma Key, Carpe Diem
Message-ID: <199604181539.LAA116560@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
As being the only person on the jam to proudly say DT is my lightest
group, I would like to say that Overkill rules. I will soon aquire their
first 2 releases to make my Overkill collection complete. I believe they
are very underated for all the great songs they have put out but with
todays trendy metal (ie followers like Korn, leaders like Pantera) I it's
easy to see why they get no props. They are very popular in Europe, at
least more so than the states, so I guess if you like them you should
move there.
I got my Chroma Key tapes the other day and its alright. IMO if you
take away the vocals you would have awesome instrumentals. The first song
it sounds like Kevin's voice is cracking. A definite change from Kevin's
DT days.
> CARPE DIEM, meaning "seize the day,"is a Latin phrase from one of
>Horace's Odes (I.xi) which has become the name for a very common literary
>motif, especially in lyric poetry. The speaker in a carpe diem poem
>emphasizes that life is short and time is fleeting in order to enjoin his
>auditor--whois often represented as a virgin reluctant to change her
>state--make the most of present pleasures. A frequent emblem of the
>brevity of physical beauty and the finality of death is the rose, as in
>Edmund Spenser's THE FAERIE QUEENE, 1590-96 (II. xii. 74-75: "Gather
>therefore the Rose, whilst yet is prime"), and in the seventeenth
>century, Robert Herrick's "To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time" ("Gather
>ye rosebuds, while ye may")........
Just something I thought might interest some people, found it while
doing research for a Literature paper. Later.
Suicyco
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:42:55 -0500
From: dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Thrak)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vote For TP ! (fwd)
Message-ID: <199604181542.KAA59843@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>Hi !
>There is an Internet Mailing list competition organized by newsweek to
>see whose members are the most enthusiastic and stuff.
>mail to cscope@newsweek.com and cast your vote in favor of ytsejam. Dont
>forget to include the email address.
>
>Thanks.
Thrak
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"They rally round the family with pockets full of shells."
-Rage Against the Machine
"Turn on tha radio, nah fuck it...turn it off, fear is your only god."
-Rage Against the Machine
In my 3-disc changer right now:
Wilco: A.M.
Smashing Pumpkins: 1979 single
Rage Against the Machine: Evil Empire
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:11:37 -0500
From: clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu (Corey E Cleary)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This is a good thing...
Message-ID: <199604181611.LAA29375@tuvok.marian.edu>
>I would like to get a copy of the DT doom game. Anyone can help?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Todd s
>
> market@clubmet.com
>
>
>
I would love to find this.
>You know, this brings up an interesting point (hopefully). Most of the
>music that is liked by teenagers, present company excluded, is composed
>and played by dudes ten, fifteen years older than them. These kids
>(I use the term to describe attitude, more than anything) are snared
>hook, line, and sinker by the image/attitude/music of people that don't
>even belong to the same generation. The relationship is reflexive; the
>artists adopt what is perceived to be the dress/attitudes of the younger
>generation, which *reinforces* the false assumption of the masses that
>their ideas are original (does that make sense?). People put down DT
>because they think that they perpetuate the dress and attitudes of the
>80s. The thing is, DT really doesn't (and so what if they do? they grew
>up during that time) to the extent of which they are accused (most
>of those idiots were sucking Enfamil during that time anyway). Dream
>Theater transcends the trend to which I refer. That is integrity.
>
I don't think there is a better way to put it. I find DT to be the most
"mature" band I've heard in a long time.
Corey E. Cleary
Somewhere in the promises
I've fallen...
Deep beneath the light. --ME.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:49:13 -0500
From: Seth Hatlelid <napkins@clandjop.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Overkill
Message-ID: <31766479.292@clandjop.com>
Hiya,
This post pertains to the question about Overkill's Horrorscope. I
have several Overkill albums that I purchased back in my speed metal
days. They never get any time in my C.D. player. I'm not saying they
don't have some decent songs, they just aren't all that memorable.
D.D. Verni (the bass player) is their one saving grace. He is a much
better bass player than most metal bassists (Myung and Ellefson could
still sweep circles around him) and he does some rather interesting
stuff. The guitar players sound VERY much like Exodus and they do
some OK lead stuff, nothing phenominal. My biggest complaint with
Overkill is Bobby "Blitz". Boy, does this guy suck. His voice is just
soooooooo irritating. He rarely even changes his intervals, just
screeches along in a monotone. For those of you who have never heard
Overkill, Dave Mustaine sounds like Micheal Crawford compared to
Blitz. The lyrics are laugable (Look out baby, Daddy's coming to
smash your skull in two!) I do not suggest buying "horrorscope"..
Overkill dis mature a little bit on "the years of decay" and "I hear
Black" is a pretty good listen. Try to find them in the bargain bin
as they are not worth the $15 for a new CD.
Hope this helps!
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gilbert (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199604181549.LAA53902@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
>>As much as it may hurt some of you, a lot of people think the whole
>>musician thing is just stupid. Granted it could be a topic for a couple
>>posts, but for a week or two?
>This is the Dream Theater mailing list. DT is comprised of 5 musicians.
>Any questions?
Yeah, that last part. How many musicians?
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:51:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: question for drummers
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960418094952.25699A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
I think that the only drum on IaW that was triggered was the snare. The
advantage of triggers (the ONLY advantage) is that you don't have to
tweak with the drum tension to get the right sound. This lends me to
believe that there are no "cymbal triggers" since a cymbal doesn't have
to be adjusted. My opinion only!
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->
Adam R. Bertapelle "Scuse me...while I kiss this guy!"
bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu Jimi Hendrix
Ask for my bootleg list! Purple Haze
<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:53:10 -0500
From: dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Thrak)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: triggers for Miller
Message-ID: <199604181553.KAA109430@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Not all of the sounds on INW are drum triggers...the snare is...the rest are
real sounds of the drums...I'm not sure about the "do they have triggers for
cymbals" question, but I would assume that they could make them if there
weren't any...that would be kind of a stupid trigger though
Thrak
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"They rally round the family with pockets full of shells."
-Rage Against the Machine
"Turn on tha radio, nah fuck it...turn it off, fear is your only god."
-Rage Against the Machine
In my 3-disc changer right now:
Wilco: A.M.
Smashing Pumpkins: 1979 single
Rage Against the Machine: Evil Empire
****************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:29:03 -0500
From: clearyce@tuvok.marian.edu (Corey E Cleary)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Post...
Message-ID: <199604181629.LAA29433@tuvok.marian.edu>
>G. Jack Thetgyi
I don't think you wrote a long enogh post, but there were some good Ideas.
Corey E. Cleary
Somewhere in the promises
I've fallen...
Deep beneath the light. --ME.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dissappointed (unabomber stuff)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960418090757.10759A-100000@staff.cerf.net>
You know.. this list is about music, not about some whacked out, society
dropout who can't deal with the real world like the rest of us do on a
daily basis. If you want to talk about the unabomber, or OJ.. go
somewhere else.
Doug
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:14:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jason Skewes?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960418101248.25699C-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Does anybody have Jason Skewes e-mail address? I have not heard back from
him about my Superior order. Thanks!
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:17:33 -0400
From: Adam Pye <alpine@negia.net>
To: Zack Gemmill <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Intregity...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960418161733.00696bc8@negia.net>
>even belong to the same generation. The relationship is reflexive; the
>artists adopt what is perceived to be the dress/attitudes of the younger
>generation, which *reinforces* the false assumption of the masses that
>their ideas are original (does that make sense?). People put down DT
>because they think that they perpetuate the dress and attitudes of the
>80s. The thing is, DT really doesn't (and so what if they do? they grew
>up during that time) to the extent of which they are accused (most
>of those idiots were sucking Enfamil during that time anyway). Dream
>Theater transcends the trend to which I refer. That is integrity.
I would agree with you here. One really can't use the word
"alternative" to describe the music the word is usually associated with
because it's so mainstream. It's used almost as a description of an
attitude and age then anything else. The sad thing about this is that we're
talking about people's taste in clothing and attitude rather than music.
Too often, as in the vast majority of MTVs programming, the music is
secondary to looking good and being "cool." It's unfortunate. It used to
be pioneers in music were very popular - Led Zeppelin being an example - and
people wanted to do new things with their music. Now, unfortunately,
popular music sounds generic and I really haven't seen anyone pulling away
from the pack. The Cranberries I liked in the past. Upon seeing/hearing
their new video I could only tell them from any other female vocaled
alterno-group by the "Cranberries" credit at the end of the video. It's a
shame...
Adam Pye
- alpine@negia.net
- http://www.negia.net/~alpine
- IZZC #1426
- Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:42:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ken Maupin
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960418094147.10934A-100000@staff.cerf.net>
Ken, I lost your e-mail address, so the list must suffer :)
The dub I sent was returned to me.. (not enough postage ) D'OH !!!
It's has the correct postage now and is on it's way.
Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:51:30 -0400
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: una-bomber/Zappa
Message-ID: <199604181651.MAA04129@mailserver2.tiac.net>
nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) wrote:
> well, it's been nearly two weeks now, and not one single
> post to the jam about ... the arrest of the una-bomber
> suspect
Well, Neil, what do you have to say? I mean, you went on and on about how
no one said anything but you didn't really have a comment about it.
Personally, I don't know much about it. That's right, I don't watch nor
listen to the news. I only read the newspaper and don't even read a whole
lot of it. I figure that if it's important enough to directly effect me,
it will be on the front page. I can then select to read it or not. The
uni-bomber is just a media-showcase. I can't stand the way the media
(esp. television news shows) makes everything into an event so I don't
watch (power of self-censorship). So some guy's arrested. I'm sure he'll
either sue someone or plead insanity.
Hey! (more NDTC) anyone know who Mike Keneally is? He used to play with
Zappa then with Dweezil. I just got "Boil That Dust Speck." Some of it is
really great, lots of it is really funny. Someone recommend the best
Frank Zappa album to get :).
--Marc Respass (marcr@tiac.net)
Come visit the Joel Rivard Group home page at
http://www.tiac.net/users/marcr/
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 10:02:32 -0800
From: Zamster <zamster@apple.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1448
Message-ID: <199604181701.KAA29715@federal-excess.apple.com>
First, I wrote,
>>Frank - try sending this message to /ytsejam-request@ax.com/ rather than
>>to /ytsejam@ax.com/ - what you've done is post your request on the list,
>>not subscribe to the list!
Jim (jlutz@hartford.edu) responded,
>ummmm....I think yur gonna hafta shout a little louder than that.
>Since he is not on the list, how is he gonna get the message?
>Think about it.
Done. See below.
Graham (borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk) responded,
>Jeff - try sending this message to /FDDC08F@prodigy.com/ rather than
>to /ytsejam@ax.com/ - what you've done is post your request on the list,
>not mail Frank Clark!
Smartass! ;-)
Then several other people jumped on the bandwagon to inform me of my
error. All I can add is:
Yup, guys, I knew that. I screwed up - as soon as I saw it on the Jam, a
chill ran up my spine and I thought, "Oh, shit - I sent that to the whole
list". I meant to send that to him personally, not to everybody. And by
now I suspect he's gotten the message from someone else...
Oops. What a way to introduce myself to this list...
Well, since that was my (inadvertent) first post to the Jam (I've been
lurking for about a month or so), please welcome me aboard at least! ;-)
I'll partake of a brief bit of self-indulgence here - please scroll to
the end of this post now if you're not interested...
Musically, I like just about anything with musical value and creativity,
from DT, Rush, Ozric Tentacles, etc., to classical music, to
international music. I haven't yet been able to develop a taste for rap,
r&b, etc., but not because I haven't tried. I approach all music with an
open mind, which probably explains why my CD collection is huge and my
bank account is small... ;-)
DT content: I've been a DT fan for almost a year now, ever since I first
found Awake in a CD store and picked it up out of sheer curiosity (I do
this periodically, for no reason I can even guess at).
Every time I listen to this album, I find something new in it. That's
the hallmark of complex music so far as I'm concerned, and one of the
aspects of DT (and good music in general) that really appeals to me.
-- Jeff Silverstein
-- zamster@apple.com
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When Congress repealed the 4th Amendment, I remained silent because I
don't deal drugs. Then they repealed the 6th Amendment, yet I remained
silent because I was innocent. Then they repealed the 2nd Amendment, yet
still I remained silent because I don't own a gun. Now they've repealed
the 1st Amendment, and now I remain silent because I don't have a choice.
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