YTSEJAM Digest 1457
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/19/96 - 09:46:48" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Japanese Awake CD for sale
by KVillines@gnn.com (Kevin Villines)
3) various
by fitipmol@ibmmail.com
4) (NDTC)
by eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
5) GC and Skadz...
by jgreene@acs.bu.edu
6) Precepts
by rkasper@cclink.aus.etn.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1456
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1456
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
9) Redundant Fluff
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
10) Cheap Keyboards
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
11) Echolyn - "Suffocating the Bloom"
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
12) Triggers and stuff.....
by mojoman@pointblank.com
13) Fisher-Price and Rebellion
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
14) panties flying everywhere and a big piece of roast beef
by WildKoba@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:45:33 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/19/96 - 09:46:48" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:12:35
From: KVillines@gnn.com (Kevin Villines)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Japanese Awake CD for sale
Message-ID: <199604190914.FAA16133@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
I have the Japanese version of Awake(Contains the mini disc w/eve) for sale.
I'll take offers for the next few days at KVillines@gnn.com
Thanks,
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 05:43:57 EDT
From: fitipmol@ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: various
Message-ID: <199604190943.CAA24946@mindcrime.ax.com>
--- Saapunut 03.MAPE 90-4694432 19-04-96 12.44
-> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBM IMX
Hello all,
My asinine and unrelevant thoughts on some matters discussed
here recently....
RipZero: why is it that you've started using that nigga talk
in your posts recently? It can get hard to understand for the
ones who don't speak English as their native tongue? The
coolness of bad spelling is questionable...not a flame, just
a thought, I spell far worse than you if I don't concentrate on
what I'm writing...you still rule, man.
Whoever it was who posted about making a multimedia promo
about DT and asked if there are any CIS majors on the list:
Well, I'm no Commonwealth of Independent States major, but
will a systems designer do? I've also done gfx to two games
just for the hell of it.
To the guy who dared his girlfriend to strip in the park:
You're not very old, are you? What do the ladyjammers think
of this?
To DMC: When will I be getting your formatted CD list for
the YtseLib?
CDs: Gold CDs most assuredly do not last longer than regular
ones. There was a survey some time ago that revealed that gold
CD-Rs last from 3-10 years in extreme conditions (the discs
were held under ultraviolet light, kept in heat, in water and
so on) and as the predicted life span of gold CD-Rs was
originally supposed to be 28-90 years, this is a bit worrying
fact for the big companies who consider storing their huge
paper or microfilm archives to CD-Rs.
_Mape_
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:21:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199604191121.HAA49949@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
>>>This is the Dream Theater mailing list. DT is comprised of 5 musicians.
>>>Any questions?
>>
>> Yeah, that last part. How many musicians?
>>
>what are you implying?
I didn't know I'd start another argumunet by the simple sarcasm in
this message. No I wasn't implying that Labrie wasn't a musician, or any
of the other members of DT. Of course if you didn't think I meant that
then, um, well this message holds no more deeper meaning that you can
find. Now I have to ask though, if the musician thread was DT related,
then I guess you guys were arguing whether or not DT were musicians(?).
If it was then I'm sorry I missed that part, cause every post I read on
it seemed to talk about what type of music people had to write or the
requirements people on this list thought you had to have to be considered
a musician.
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:44:20 -0400
From: jgreene@acs.bu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: GC and Skadz...
Message-ID: <199604191244.IAA182810@acs5.bu.edu>
Listen Skadz, I may be outta money, but I think I could manage the
GC show with you... :)
Gimme the time and if we meet up here with Bwherry...
jg
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 08:04:34 CST
From: rkasper@cclink.aus.etn.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Precepts
Message-ID: <9603198299.AA829926821@cclink.aus.etn.com>
>> was I the only one who got dizzy after reading this?:)
>> I agree w/ what you say, although there are people who on the first
>> listen say wether it's good or bad... they haven't realized that
>> certain music grows on you...that's what i usually consider
>> 'close-minded'... I can live w/ people not liking DT.
The effect of 'music-growing-on-you' can be related to developing a
taste for beer, or thinking someone is unattractive at first
impression but finding them more beautiful as time goes on. I
wouldn't say that someone who says DT is 'bad' or 'sucks' at first
impression is close-minded. Their tastes at that time just don't
agree with DT. Taste and aesthetic preference are traits which
develop over time, and are directly related to the experiences which
make up our inner 'selves.' Close-mindedness would be someone who
disregards a concept or physical thing based upon what they believe to
be Objective Value. For example, someone who hears DT, says they
'suck', and then derides you and refuses to listen to it, saying you
are dumb for listening to such crappy music. Objective Value can't
exist, since all things we perceive are Subjective. If only people
would realize this, maybe we'd all get along a little better...
'Nuff said.
-Rob
"Just down the street from your hotel, baby;
I stay at home with my disease.
Ain't this position familiar, darling?
All monkeys do what they see..."
-CC, Perfect Blue Buildings
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:16:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1456
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960419090843.2595A-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
>From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1450
>
>And if it sounds like crap, it doesn't belong in thesame category as a
>Roland. > >>
yes! XP-50, baby! ;)
>This brings me to a good question. why do some cheap toys called Casio
>keyboards actually have the gall to put MIDI ports on the back of their cheap
>plastic boxes? I mean, do people really take these things out on jobs with
>them? Are people really going to use them as controllers for rack mounted
>synths? I could just see Derek ripping out a solo on a Casio SK!, you know,
>one of those toy samplers. My God, the fear. I'd lose respect for the man
>right there, (so much for DTC). could you imagine Kevin doing something on a
>Casio CT640, my pre-professional keyboard? Ugh. I'd throw up.
that's disgusting. i can relate. i don't even want to THINK about kevin
playing my pre-professional keyboard: casio CT610. no pitch bend, no mod
wheels, no sliders, not velocity sensitive, nothing. just 15 pounds of
shit. oh well, i suppose you have to start somewhere. thank goodness we
have escaped THAT hell! ;)
matt.
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PO Box 15315 * ethereal/ambient/experimental
College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming/etc.
77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape
msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu * email: imagescape@tamu.edu
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:52:53
From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1456
Message-ID: <199604191449.KAA14462@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>I hate to say this, but if a keyboard has a demo button, it's a
> toy. If it
well, i have to disagree with ya here. i've got a Kurzweil PC-88mx that
cost me almost $3,000. it doesn't have a button marked 'demo', the demo
plays when two buttons are pressed at the same time, which are marked by a
removeable sticker. so i guess i'd call that a demo button. question is,
why the hell put a demo sequence in a keyboard that doesn't have a
sequencer?
>has built in speakers as opposed to outputs only for an amplifier,
> it's a
>toy.
ever seen Korg's I-series? kick ass. the lower end model is the I-4, and
has built in speakers. i think that one is up around $3,000 as well.
>If it only has a pitch wheel and not anything else, like a
> mod wheel,
>.. well, ... if it is not velocity sensitive, minus analog synths,
> ... toy.
yeah, i'll agree with that.
>If it costs less than $500, it is most definitely a toy.
that i DEFINITELY can agree with. although the things can be fun to play
with...
>And if it sounds like crap, it doesn't belong in thesame category as a
>Roland.
and if it's a Roland, it doesn't belong in the same category as a Kurzweil.
:) :) **big smileys**
Andrew Miller | SubtleRage - Progressive Rock
212 Broadway St. | SubtleRage@gnn.com
West Branch, IA 52358 | http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage/index.htm
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:57:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Redundant Fluff
Message-ID: <199604191457.JAA13309@psa.pencom.com>
hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) wrote:
> 2) You seem to be fixated with Pontiac Grand Ams, even to the point
> that you think one of them is human!
>
Not necessarily a problem. I have three cars. All three happen to be Pontiacs
too.
1986 Pontiac 2+2 (Try and find one)
1967 Pontiac Cataline (Catzilla)
1966 Pontiac LeMans Convertible (although that one is in pieces)
You mentioned that you have to have a lot of money to have multiple things. I
don't. There are other things that I don't have. Musical instruments (ANY
musician will attest to that), a home computer (I use the equipment at work),
a girlfriend (all you hitched up guys out there will back me on this one! :D
), a life (Obviously! Ha, ha, ha! )
> There is a pattern here - you feel compelled to buy multiple copies of
> those things you like. I'm sure there is a clinical term for this
> affliction - any shrinks out there? I'm wondering, how many
> houses/girlfriends/wives/cats/jobs/computers/TVs, etc. do you also
> have? Please seek professional help, dude. ;^)
>
Ha, ha, ha. I just picked up another copy of IM's Powerslave and Somewhere in
Time. They both have extra CD's in them with additional music. Does that
count?
Back to lurking....
Johnny Motown
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:01:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cheap Keyboards
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960419094557.24356B-100000@comp.uark.edu>
> From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
>
> I hate to say this, but if a keyboard has a demo button, it's a toy. If it
> has built in speakers as opposed to outputs only for an amplifier, it's a
> toy. If it only has a pitch wheel and not anything else, like a mod wheel,
> .. well, ... if it is not velocity sensitive, minus analog synths, ... toy.
> If it costs less than $500, it is most definitely a toy. And if it sounds
> like crap, it doesn't belong in the same category as a Roland.
Whoa Damon, easy boy... you are treading back into the same ground as
the 'What is a musician' thread here. Granted there is a difference
between one of them itty-bitty $20 Wal-Mart specials and the keyboard rig
that someone like Kevin or Derek uses. But with anything, you must be
real careful when trying to draw a line... especially putting a price
tag on a name. What is important is whether the piece of plastic and
electronic componentry accomplishes its objective or not: specifically
the creation of music for the enjoyment of the player (and his audience
if applicable).
I've had over 10 years of piano instruction... you know what I'd do with
a rig the size of Kevin's or Derek's? I'd find 2 or 3 sounds I liked and
ignore everything else on there... just cut loose on it and if it sounds
good then all the rest is meaningless. That being said, if you can take
advantage of all the componentry and gadgetry on a fancy rig then do so
and more power to you.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb here on what I'm about to say, but
correct me if I am. Give Mike P. a snare, bass drum, and a hi-hat...
give me *his* kit... which one of us is gonna make music and which one
of us is gonna get his ass laughed at?
DrX -- aka Death
P.S. I know where you're coming from Damon, really I do... I contend
that a 2 wheeled machine bearing the name 'Huffy' is not a mountain
bike. I hate working on the pieces-of-shit. But for some people, I
would actually say that a Huffy is the best 'mountain bike' (and I
cringe as I write that) for them... it's all a matter of perspective and
what is best for one person is not the best for another.
/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| You've come to see the doctor, cause I'll show you the cure. |
| I'm gonna take away the questions, yeah I'm gonna make you sure. |
I========Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime===============================I
| | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| I'm the new messiah, Death Angel with a gun. | drx@reich.uark.edu |
| Dangerous in my silence, deadly to my cause. | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 08:56:06 PST
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Echolyn - "Suffocating the Bloom"
Message-ID: <9603198299.AA829929889@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
I just got my copy a couple of days ago... Great album, if you are an
echolyn fan definately get this CD...
-Mike
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Subject: Echolyn - "Suffocating the Bloom"
Author: CdTreasure@aol.com at CCGATE
Date: 4/18/96 08:13 PM
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:05:42 -0500
From: mojoman@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Triggers and stuff.....
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.19.11.5.42.2377490627.1286071@pointblank.com>
Sorry, I gotta jump in on this....
If Gandalf is gonna be a cocky sonnovabitch throughout this whole
thing...I'll get petty too....
at the beginning of Metropolis...you hear cymbals....NO THOSE
AREN'T CYMBALS....THEY ARE SAMPLES OF CYMBALS!!
Mike portnoy uses a trigger to play a sample of his snare drum.
At times they replaced the bass drum with a sample...but only at
times...(Problem is, that EVERY fucking album out there has that, so
what is the point of arguing that)
and most importantly, most of the toms on I&W are not samples and
were not trigger....thank you...
Basically, to explode the logic here...there are samples of about
everything on Images and Words. SO why doesn't everyone STOP
complaining about where the triggers are and
who has a bigger penis in the world of DT knowledge.....
MojoMan Speaks
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:51:16 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Elvis Haters <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fisher-Price and Rebellion
Message-ID: <v01540b00ad9d61e87d69@bootp-234-126.bootp.virginia.edu>
> From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> This brings me to a good question. why do some cheap toys called Casio
> keyboards actually have the gall to put MIDI ports on the back of their cheap
> plastic boxes? I mean, do people really take these things out on jobs with
> them? Are people really going to use them as controllers for rack mounted
> synths? I could just see Derek ripping out a solo on a Casio SK!, you know,
> one of those toy samplers. My God, the fear. I'd lose respect for the man
> right there, (so much for DTC). could you imagine Kevin doing something on a
> Casio CT640, my pre-professional keyboard?
I actually read a little blurb in Keyboard Magazine sometime last year (or
maybe late '94, I forget) which had a little spotlight blurb on Derek and
his DT gear, and besides all his 'boards, he had this little 20-key
Fisher-Price toy keyboard at the top of the 'board stand! They quoted him
as joking, "It's the centerpiece of my rig." I thought that was pretty
cool.
I digress.
I also bought Rage Against The Machine's new album, and it's not as good as
the first one IMO, but it still kicks ass, and it's growing on me. And I
saw them on SNL, and Zack made the mistake of saying "fuck" during the
FIRST song, so they didn't get to play a second one (nor were they onstage
with the cast at the end). What a ripoff. If you're gonna cuss on TV, do
it during the SECOND song.
Now check this phat segue into some dope DTC, y'all (and this is all
emPHATically IMO):
Rage's stock-in-trade is defiance and rebellion, yes? (The music is crack
too, but without Zack's rage it wouldn't be the same.) And rebellion has
always been the backbone of rock music, no matter how much people insist
that "it's the music that counts." The Beatles' long hair. The Rolling
Stones' bawdiness. Led Zeppelin's debauchery. GnR's swearing and
misogyny. Rock music pisses off parents and priests, and that same
controversy electrifies the fans. Rock n' roll, since it originated, has
always been a big "fuck you" in the face of convention (although nowadays
it seems all the kids want is the "fuck you").
Especially now. Do you really think Green Day fans give a rat's ass about
the music? Would Nirvana have been such a big hit without the Angst, punk
anti-posing, and violent moshing? Even Pearl Jam, for all their supposedly
experimental musical stylings, have the DoItYourself punk ethic that
appeals to the alternative crowd, not to mention Eddie Vedder's angry
brooding ("Get out of my fucking face")?
(I don't mean to cut up the above bands... I like all 3 of 'em, but I want
to make a point about DT here in comparison)
As I see it, an underlying problem people have with DT (and prog in
general, but let's not go there) is that there's no element of rebellion.
DT's precision, virtuosity, polished production, and rational, lyrical
thought presents a lot of formality... almost as if they're part of the
Establishment. The part that always said "practice your instruments, do
your homework, read your literature." We all thought it was a big surprise
when James said "Mercy Fuck" (or was it "Massive Fuck"? Or "Fuckin'
Shit"?) in the original ACOS. It didn't seem appropriate. It's almost
like... DT is above that sort of thing. And that "aboveness," that
hard-working musical ethic, in place of any kind of defiance of anything,
is probably why "mostpeople" (-- e.e. cummings) won't dig DT.
Anyone care to disprove this? Find the elusive element of rebellion in
DT's music? (Loud guitars and drums don't count, unfortunately) Or if
it's even important?
I don't think DT music is the lesser for it; in fact, if they did get all
defiant and stuff, it might seem a little contrived (like Extreme's
political posings). Nor do I think DT should really add that element--
it's just not their scene. I just can't see Labrie rapping "Fuck you, I
won't do what ya tell me." Maybe YOU can.
Anyway, I'm off the soapbox...
Scott.
I Am The Establishment
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:50:15 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: panties flying everywhere and a big piece of roast beef
Message-ID: <960419125015_194271476@emout07.mail.aol.com>
hey there. long time no play. the prospect of rehearsals for my jazz show
(which was yesterday and hurt brain), writing a jazz composition for a bunch
of jazzers, and rehearsing for "godspell" (having gotten the music a week in
advance- assholes!) has deprived me of my ytse life. but i'm back for now.
speaking of jazz, miles was mentioned recently. "kind of blue" is ffidh (funk
fresh in da house). listen to it. so is the brew.
someone mentioned busta rhyme too! woo-haaaaaa! he rocks.
bafu- nice work with the 600 interpretation. shit, man. that covers you for
all the bizarre emails i've gotten from you lately (some still unread of
course). but awl looky here attum soon enough.
there's more shit i'd have to ramble about, but it's not important now. maybe
soon.
peace out, boys and girls.
dk
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david yoichi kobayashi
the wild and magical koba.
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair. precious gifts
beyond compare."
until the circle breaks, and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live Awake, the
rest remain misled."
"better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret."
binghamton university, class of 97 in da house, funky fresh
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