YTSEJAM Digest 1455
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/19/96 - 00:54:58" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Dutch guy
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
3) shirts, sound, bafu bafu bafu
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
4) Ytse-idiots / E-mail 101
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
5) Triggers and stuff
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
6) DT watch.
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
7) OVERKILL'S LAST TWO ALBUMS RULE!
by vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
8) MOST DT CD's
by Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1450
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1451
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) WDATU
by Cornholio <hiw100@psu.edu>
12) CD Quality
by Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1453
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1452
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1454
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:53:42 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/19/96 - 00:54:58" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199604182353.QAA18125@mindcrime.ax.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:59:01 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dutch guy
Message-ID: <199604190006.AAA213257@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 04/18/96 4:25pm -0700
Nah, your not the first Dutch guy, I'm Dutch. Actually,
born in Toronto Canada but I live in Vancouver now. My
family is pretty much all dutch, soem German blood...where
abouts ya from? (Den Haag myself)
My web page is still up, it'll be taken down on Sunday
Overkill: I don't have a problem with Blitz's vocals, I'm
usually listening to the bass or drums most of the time.
New DT release is this summer correct? Any word if it'll be
better than the boring release of awake?
Any DT fans out there like Machine Head? I just picked up
Burn my Eyes, fucking incredible album, I think this is the
best double bass drummer I have ever heard. He beats MP for
sure, I'm not talking about straight constant double bass
beats, he mixes them up, they're almost progressive.
For the record, these guys DO NOT sound like Pantera IMO.
Has there ever been a Savatage DT tour?
Mark
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I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes!
WASP-The Crimson Idol
msmeets@ibm.net or msmeets@smartt.com
http://140.141.22.35/stranger/stranger.htm
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:15:21 -0700
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: shirts, sound, bafu bafu bafu
Message-ID: <199604190015.RAA24657@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
>SHIRT ORDER DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 28th!!!
???
>Anyway, that's MY take on the "sound."
>
>
> What do YOU think?
i think its the damn alarm clock ringing in his head
>
>Bafu Vai
>
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damn him, how the hell does he always manage to do that? i think he's
getting skadz to do it by threatining to kick his ass for that one time
he was caught moshing with airdance before the wedding...
sheesh
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:14:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse-idiots / E-mail 101
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960418190508.1496A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
"Zamster" put his foot in his mouth with:
>Well, at least I'm not the only one... ;-)
Uh... yes, you are.
And then Scott Cook did the same with:
>Hey Pal,
>
>You're posting this to the jam, not Frank Clark!he jam and then he'll
>read it. Then he can subscribe the proper way. If you
>want Frank to read it then I suggest you try:
>
>To: FDDC08F@prodigy.com (MR FRANK A CLARK)
>From: c675311@showme.missouri.edu
>
>and then include your message as you posted to the jam and then he'll
>read it. Then he can subscribe the proper way.
But of course, neither of them bothered to read the FILE HEADERS:
>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 02:46:11 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
>To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Cc: FDDC08F@prodigy.com
>Subject: ARG!!!
For those who don't know, "Cc:" means that the message was ALSO sent to
Frank, not *just* to the 'jam. He now has the means to properly
subscribe. If he doesn't make it to the list, that means he either can't
follow instructions, or he actually *did* send a death threat to Clinton.
It's hard to see the keyboard when your head's up your ass.
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| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:27:53 EDT
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Triggers and stuff
Message-ID: <096.06327640.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
I'm settling the debate now. All of the Drums played on Images
and Words are the sounds of triggers; Case closed. The cymbals are
real.
Bafu is correct. 6:00 is about Kevin realizing he did not want to be
in DT anymore. BTW go ahead and ask her out Bafu, what's the worst
that can happen?
What do you call a guitarist who just broke up with his girlfriend?
Homeless!!!
What do you give a drummer after a lobotomy?
A Bass guitar!!!
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:31:36 -0500
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT watch.
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.18.-13.31.36.8817.10088@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
If you are interested in going in with a group of us ordering a Dream
Theater watch...then write me:
I have about 14 people interested. I need to have about 25 or so to
get a better deal.
take care!
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:56:39 -0600
From: vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OVERKILL'S LAST TWO ALBUMS RULE!
Message-ID: <199604190056.SAA23574@mail.usa.net>
For the people who have a hard time with Blitz's voice, try
to listen to W.F.O and The Killing Hand. He uses different tones
with his voice and I really like it. I think that the people who
like Udo D from accept would like Blitz. In fact, there were a
couple of places on "The killing Hand" where I swore it was him.
Take care....Dusty
|__________________________________________________________|
|"Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with|
| our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've|
| already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's |
| only a matter of time" ---- DREAM THEATER |
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| ( : |
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Date: 18 Apr 96 22:19:28 EDT
From: Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM>
To: <Ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MOST DT CD's
Message-ID: <960419021927_72064.614_GHB33-1@CompuServe.COM>
Just a curiosity of mine, but am I the only person who owns more than one copy
of all the Dream Theater CD's. I own;
Images and Words (3 Copies)
Awake (3 Copies)
ACOS (3 Copies)
One copy of each is continuously sitting in my 5-disk changer at home. The 2nd
copies of each is at work for my CD player in the PC. The 3rd Copy of each is
in my Pontiac Grand AM (for the 45 minute drive to work).
If this is not bad enough, I am contemplating buying a 4th copy of each for my
other car (1990 Pontiac Grand Am - My baby).
Do I have a problem. Is there a Dream Theater Fanatic Support Group.
Regards,
Michael Pomerleau
17-Apr-1996 23:46:43
72064.614@Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Michael_Pomerleau
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:01:50 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1450
Message-ID: <19960419025333.AAB17316@mail.pananet.com>
>>And about that demo buttons on keyboards? Get real, man. You are
>>thinking of those $300 casios...These are not instruments, they are
>>toys. I was not referring to toys. Anybody who plays on those things is
>>just messing around in peewee ball.
>
Actually, I have this 300$ Kawai, which, for the price, is more than just a
toy... even though the sounds are like shit, you can modify them by fooling
w/ the waves that form them... and you can have up to 20 presets on it. It
even has pitch wheel and chorus... and it has semi sequencer
capabilities...for the price I was pretty impressed... I know it ain't no
Roland, but it's the only thing I can afford for now..
>
>>>Rush, Queensryche, etc. *none* of those bands spends half a song on a
>>>solo, none of them.
>>
>>I just wonder how many Rush CD's this guy has heard to come up w/ such a
>>dumb statement...
>
>As long and "self-indulgent" as Rush's longer songs are, they _don't_
>spend half a song on solos, excluding instrumentals. I'd say from Moving
>Pictures on, there's more of Geddy's banshee (vocal) wailing then Alex's
>guitar wailing.
>
Yeah you're right. I was mostly thinking of their 'exercise in
self-indulgence'... then again, there's also 'Working Man'...
>>I checked CD's from the library, and for some odd reason I thought I should
>>share what I think abot them w/ you all:
>
>Good selection (and diversity) of CDs! Who said 'Jammers don't have good
>musical taste?
>
why thank you :)
>>Miles Davis- Bitches Brew: Didn't like it at all... is all his stuff
>>like this?
>
>No! Miles is the man! Check out "Birth of the Cool", or "Kind of Blue"
>as far as his earlier work. Michael Wilton of Queensryche lists Miles'
>"Aura" album as one of his favorites:
I think I saw 'Kind of Blue' in the library... I'll check it out. 'Aura'
was the one I was actually looking for because Alex Skolnick said in one of
his lessons in GFTPM that it was good one to start w/.
>Neil Gallop
>(nga@software-ag.de)
>
>Currently playing: Corrosion Of Conformity - Deliverance
>
Awesome CD!
I just got the new Satriani (finally), in fact I'm listening to it right
now... seems to be pretty good...
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:02:00 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1451
Message-ID: <19960419030159.AAA17535@mail.pananet.com>
>>This is the Dream Theater mailing list. DT is comprised of 5 musicians.
>>Any questions?
>
> Yeah, that last part. How many musicians?
>
what are you implying?
>I think that the only drum on IaW that was triggered was the snare.
I thought that the triggering was done for the double bass drumming... at
least I know they do that a lot for many death metal albums...(or black,
doom, grind core, whatever you call it now a days...)
>Hey! (more NDTC) anyone know who Mike Keneally is? He used to play with
>Zappa then with Dweezil. I just got "Boil That Dust Speck." Some of it is
>really great, lots of it is really funny. Someone recommend the best
>Frank Zappa album to get :).
>
yeah I read about him in a guitar player article on prog rock... the
interviewd him, the guy from Ozric Tentacles, and (of course) good ol' JP...
they also mentioned Echolyn and some others which slip my mind right now...
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:28:58 -0400
From: Cornholio <hiw100@psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDATU
Message-ID: <199604190328.DAA40642@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
Hey,
I got to borrow AQ from a friend and there is some cool stuff on it.
Anyhow, I have an extra copy of WDATU. Any bids? This shall be a silent
auction and the highest bidder will get it. It is #273 (i think). SO if
you want it, **CONTACT ME** If you contact me thru the jam, I will probably
SKIP over YOUR MESSAGE.
<hiw100@psu.edu>
Later, Yitzik
______________________________________
"When sometimes I wake up screaming,
will my fears survive when I fall asleep?"
---Superior---
______________________________________
"The way your heart beats, makes all the
difference, It's what decides if you will endure
the pain that we all feel; The way your heart
beats Makes all the difference in Learning to
Live. Spread before you is your soul, So forever
hold the dreams within our hearts; Thru natures
inflexible grace I'm learning to live."
---Dream Theater---
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Date: 18 Apr 96 23:53:54 EDT
From: Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM>
To: BlindCopyReceiver:;;@CompuServe.COM
Subject: CD Quality
Message-ID: <960419035353_72064.614_GHB33-1@CompuServe.COM>
Yes, the CD signal does oxidize over time. Yet, at the worst case, this would
only cause a loss of bits, which would not degrade the sound quality. When the
loss of bits became too excessive, then the CD would not play.
PC Players use a Pulse Code Modulation scheme to record the signals. The
spacing between pits on the CD are 1.6 micrometers (uM). Each pit is 0.5 uM
wide and 0.1 uM deep. Each pit represents one bit. 8 bits would represent one
byte of information. The data over one second is divided into 44,1000 bytes of
information.because the space between the tracks is so narrow, a scratch could
become a serious problem, causing a drop out or noise. To avoid this problem,
the original continuous music signal is dispersed and rearranged in the
recording process. This process is called "interleaving". in play back, the
signal is reconstructed by performing a reverse process called "De=interleave".
If, for example, the 4th through 7th data bits are dropped, they can be restored
to the original sequence by virtue of the context of the adjacent data bits
For Example a bit sequence
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Is interleaved to look like
1 5 9 13 2 6 10 14 3 7 11 15 4 8 12
Losing the 4 - 7 th bits
1 5 9 X X X X 14 3 7 11 15 4 8 12
You can still reconstruct the signal
1 (2) 3 4 5 (6) 7 8 9 (10) 11 12 (13) 14 15
and that is how a small scratch can be ignored by a CD player.
Also, the digital audio signal is subjected to Eight to Fourteen(EFM) modulation
scheme in which the 8 bits is changed to a 14 bit channel bit signal. and then
it is assembled into a frame of 588 Channel bit signals, with error coding, sync
bits, users bits, and margin bits. The processor can therefore, if it loses a
bit here or there can still use an error correcting program to determine the
value (0 or 1 ) of the missing bit. That is why a missed bit here or there does
not affect the signal. I think that when the CD degrades to the point where the
error correction methods can not repair the missing bits, that the CD player
would no longer be capable of reading the CD. Since the media is digital, a lost
bit would manifest itself as a "Pop" or "Crackle", but the SNR(Signal to Noise
Ratio) would not change.
How do the optics work . . . thats another marvel of modern physics that
cost(Sony and Philips) 4 BILLION to get to work.
Interested in Comments, Questions, etc......
Regards,
Michael Pomerleau
18-Apr-1996 23:48:15
72064.614@Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Michael_Pomerleau
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:04:48 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1453
Message-ID: <19960419040446.AAA19272@mail.pananet.com>
>> ----------------------------------
>> "No contaban con mi astucia!"
>> Ernie
>
>LOL! El Colorin Colorado! (or something like that... It's been so long since I
>watched that) That show rocks/ed! "Siganme los buenos!" Another good one
with that
>same guy was El Chavo del Ocho. That one was cool too. "Chusma, Chusma, pbbt!"
>
>
Wow, that show got to th UK? Oh it's actually *Chapulin* Colorado. And don't
froget:"Se aprovechan de mi nobleza",and " Se me chispoteo":)
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:04:41 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1452
Message-ID: <19960419040439.AAA19266@mail.pananet.com>
> The way I see it is this. Hearing is a form of perception, just as
> are sight, smell, taste and touch. These are what we call the Five
> Senses - bodily apparati which provide our brains with information
> about the world outside our own skull (Objective Reality). What we
> term as the 'I', or 'self' is contained somewhere in the brain,
> permanently removed from Objective reality by these _Subjective_
was I the only one who got dizzy after reading this?:)
I agree w/ what you say, although there are people who on the first listen
say wether it's good or bad... they haven't realized that ceratin music
grows on you...that's what i usually consider 'close-minded'... I can live
w/ people not liking DT.
>Crimson GLory's "Transcendence" is a really cool album, if you can get past
>the song Red Sharks....I was sorta surprised to see it mentioned (Way to
>go Doug!)
>
'GIVE US YOUR FREEDOM, WE'LL GIVE YOU HELL!' I laugh uncontrollably every
time I hear that:)
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:04:55 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1454
Message-ID: <19960419040454.AAA19278@mail.pananet.com>
>1. "The siren kicks him from a dream, tries to shake it off but it just
>won't stop."
>The first line above, with the siren, could mean that something is bugging
>him and he can't figure out what it is. My guess is that he's feeling some
>kind of discomfort and can't locate its source, so he chooses to ignore
>it, shakes his head, tells himself "it's nothing," and goes on with life.
>But it just won't stop.
>
I've always considered the 'siren' to be his alarm clock waking him up from
his sleep. It makes sense since it's common to set the alarm at 6:00 ( I'm
sure you watched 'Groundhog Day':)) I figure he's sort of relating the
ringing alarm clock to that nagging feeling you refer to... at least that's
how I've always interpreted it..
>From: Rudy van IJzendoorn <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl>
>To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
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>AAABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADAFAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAADsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd
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OH NO! IT'S BACK! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!
>9. Whatever happened to the Iron Sheik?
Heck, whatever happened to Nikolai Volkoff?
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"No contaban con mi astucia!"
Ernie
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