YTSEJAM Digest 1465
Today's Topics:
1) Oregon
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
2) That Daugherty guy
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) echolyn again
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) Get it Right!
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1464
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
6) Just Reminiscing...
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
7) Twice in One Week ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
8) 6:00
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
9) MTV fun...
by Adam <alpine@negia.net>
10) WDATU and Dream Theatre
by kurt@fgallery.com
11) stuff
by CLIFF & PAM WHEATON <cwheaton@micron.net>
12) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/22/96 - 19:07:15" <response@ibmmail.com>
13) DT DOOM! etc
by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
14) Re: Alternative Bands
by Adam <alpine@negia.net>
15) Mission Impossible
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
16) Re: Alternative Bands
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
17) Jeff Cline
by jgreene@acs.bu.edu
18) silly sounds.
by "James Wiseman (Mr Who?)" <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
19) your newness is apparent...
by fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
20) TABS
by Asi Louzon <alouzon@main.aquanet.co.il>
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:36:24 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Oregon
Message-ID: <9604221736.AA05073@keppel.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
My project supervisor just got back from the States, and he spent some time
in Oregon.
I asked him if he met an Asshole called Warren.
He said he met a lot of assholes, but he couldn't remember their names ;-)
This is meant to be funny, Warren, don't get mad at me! ;-)
Graham B.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:49:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: That Daugherty guy
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604221314.D1779-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> Subject: Alternative Bands
>
> That Merlo guy posted that the more cds you sell, the better musicians
> you must be.
>
> I guess that means he thinks DT sucks and have no talent since they will
> never come close to outselling the likes of Green Day (all songs sound
> the same) and others...
Did I run over your dog or something? I merely pointed out an obvious
flaw in your logic when you made a blanket statement regarding
alternative music. I believe the exact quote was "99% of all alternative
bands have no talent," but I can go look up the original if you like.
I honestly don't give two flying shits what you think about Green Day.
The fact remains that when you write something that general, you look like a
moron. When you feel the need to defend your position so heatedly, you
look like an asshole who's trying to hide his ignorance.
Generalizations are bad. Slavery, Native American reservations, and
concentration camps were all products of closed-minded individuals who
made sweeping generalizations about people, or groups of people.
Besides, the last time I checked, we weren't in a pissing contest with
alternative bands. I don't remember the singer from Green Day saying he
has a bigger dick than LaBrie. This is not a war. This is a discussion
about music. Music is an art form; as such, opinions about it are highly
subjective. Let's try to concentrate on the positive aspects of all
music, rather than cut down what we don't like from a genre that other
people enjoy.
If you can't deal with expressing your opinions - whatever they may be -
in a positive, intelligent manner, then shut your fucking hole and lurk.
Other Jammers, am I way off base here? Have I missed something? Did the
Pentagon or the CDC recently release a report to back up Mr. Daugherty's
claims?
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:01:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: echolyn again
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960422135020.3534B-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
I am not saying that echolyn has or ever did sellout. I am just saying
that 'Suite' seems very hipocratical, and it scares me. I assume most of
the echolyn fans relize, inivertantly, that the signing to SONY broke the
band (no pun intended).
excerpts--'Suite for Everyman' -- Those who want to buy
It's just I'm not sure I want...
To sell to those who want to buy
Go through hell for those who want to buy
Please don't take me the wrong way
If I don't excel for those that want to buy
-- Suffacting the Bloom
But if we sell for the sake of sales
And those that want to buy
Are we playing for ourseleves or just acting out a lie
Think about this I'm interested in people opinions, but just don't say they
didn't sell out over and over, interpet the lyrics and tell me if there
is a different way to look at them. I have a couple thoughts in my head
but I'm wondering what you think.
later --- andy
Andrew Miller Real people get mail from my other account,
andym@dreamt.org only there will you see the true signatures
--or-- of Andy Miller. Thanks go out to Ryan, for
ytsejam@Udel.Edu without him this .sig would not be possible.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:03:37 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: Jeffrey Cline <jcline@quapaw.astate.edu>
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Get it Right!
Message-ID: <199604221803.LAA26791@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
*****
I have been on the Ytsejam for a few months now and I keep noticing
people making mistakes when talking about Dream Theater related stuff.
For example:
WDATU-What the hell is this? Last time I checked the name of the CD is
"When Dream and Day Unite". I don't see a T in the title of that disc.
And my personal favorite:
Dream Theatre-Come on people it seems if you were dedicated fans you
would be courteous enough to at least spell the bands name correctly.
****
WDATU is a CD project made by Ytsejammer Mike Bahr. But anybody who
pays attention to what's written on the jam over the last few months
would know this, right?
Scott Cook
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:07:33 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1464
Message-ID: <199604221807.LAA25938@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
****
> Metallica
> Soundgarden
> Alice Cooper
> Scorpions
Metallica will be headlining the Lallapaloosa (?) tour this summer.. I
couldn't believe it either..
****
I heard Metallica backed out. I hope my information was wrong because
having Metallica, Soundgarden, Ramones and Rancid all on the same bill
would rule!
Scott Cook
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Just Reminiscing...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960422110921.81932E-100000@homer15.u.washington.edu>
> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
> Subject: SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!
>
> The Main Event:
> Bafu Vai vs. The Digital Man in the Battle for the END of Ytsejam!
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Twice in One Week ....
Message-ID: <199604221811.OAA03770@wicked.stigmata.org>
Jeffrey Cline <jcline@quapaw.astate.edu> wrote:
> I have been on the Ytsejam for a few months now and I keep noticing
> people making mistakes when talking about Dream Theater related stuff.
> For example:
> WDATU-What the hell is this? Last time I checked the name of the CD is
> "When Dream and Day Unite". I don't see a T in the title of that disc.
WDATU IS a Prism Records CD of all the songs on WDADU done live
with LaBrie on vocals. I wish people would read the jam before
making mistakes like this.
> And my personal favorite:
> Dream Theatre-Come on people it seems if you were dedicated fans you
> would be courteous enough to at least spell the bands name correctly.
This one is stupid, but half the record stores around have the
re instead of er on the seperators. Just gotta learn to live with
it I guess.
Skadz
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+------------------------------
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 6:00 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960422112026.91728A-100000@homer15.u.washington.edu>
> From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) > Subject: Triggers and stuff > > Bafu is correct. 6:00 is about Kevin realizing he did not want to be in > DT anymore. BTW go ahead and ask her out Bafu, what's the worst that can > happen?
Thanks for the approval, but I didn't say I thought it was about Kevin. He wrote it, but I think that story can apply to anyone who is repressing a desire and ends up wasting their life ignoring it and trying to work around it. Besides, I was just trying to explain what "the sound" was, I didn't intend to outline the meaning behind the whole song "6:00."
(But still, Gandalf agreed with me!! WOOHOO!!)
As for asking her out, I did. And she refused, saying something about "all test scores are final." Oh well...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:23:36 -0400 From: Adam <alpine@negia.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MTV fun... Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960422182336.00674be8@negia.net>
I was just told that when the most recent Cinderalla and Dokken albums came out and they inquired into the possibility of air play on MTV they were told by MTV's execs not to even bother to make the video 'cuz they would not play it. Can you believe this shit? MTV is taking exposure and money away from established, talented bands and giving it to often talentless acts that wont' be around in 5 years, much less be anything one might call a "classic." The bands that aren't getting airplay have so much to offer. The popular "music" might have sometihng to offer, but they all offer the same thing, repeatedly, in MTV's rotation. I've heard Much Music is a bit better, but jeeze, what a shame. Ok, off the box, I'm going back to sulk now. :)
Adam Pye - alpine@negia.net - http://www.negia.net/~alpine - IZZC #1426 - Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:28:52 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WDATU and Dream Theatre Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.22.14.28.52.2916992174.277714@bbs.fgallery.com>
Some guy was trying to correct us on knowing about the band and he said that were wrong saying WDATU "last time i checked it was when dream and day unite" well dude..if you know soooo much how come you dont know that WDATU is a cd made by Mike Bahr and the T stands for When dream and TOday unite ...dumbass
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 12:37 MDT From: CLIFF & PAM WHEATON <cwheaton@micron.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <m0uBQTz-000QlyC@mis01.micron.net>
Hey Bafu-don't feel bad-I can't go to the 'Con either-no money, and can't even afford to take the time off.wish I could,tho. it sounds like fun to meet everyone.Someone will have to mail us a memento, tho. PLEASSSSSSE! /me wants a DT shirt!!! I think I've made another convert-got a guy in the cab the other evening-had Awake playing (for the 3rd time in a row) and asked what the cool tunes were. I told him, and he asked where to get the album!! cool. anyhow-back to lurk mode!!! Keep rockin' Pam
___/----^--\____ < /__rockin' cabbie_\o 0 0 TAKING THE ROAD TO ADVENTURE (Pam) cwheaton@micron.net (http:/netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton)
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:41:46 EDT From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/22/96 - 19:07:15" <response@ibmmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: <199604221841.LAA09106@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 18:01:43 GMT on 22 Apr 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:52:43 -0700 (MST) From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT DOOM! etc Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960422113952.18296C-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>
To start:
> Me and some of my friends are big fans too, and we like your style of > playing your instruments. I would have a question to Mike:
Oh noo....I'm sorry man...if you get this, this list isn't run or used by the band. Try writing to the fan club
"President...of HIS fan club!"
"They think he's a god...but he's as mortal as we"
Anyway...
> From: Jeffrey Cline <jcline@quapaw.astate.edu> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Get it Right! > > WDATU-What the hell is this? Last time I checked the name of the CD is > "When Dream and Day Unite". I don't see a T in the title of that disc. > And my personal favorite: > Dream Theatre-Come on people it seems if you were dedicated fans you > would be courteous enough to at least spell the bands name correctly. >
Oh yeah (nod a few times...look serious)
Past few months maybe...not recently :)
Moving on...DTC: A RARE FIND THESE DAYS!
I downloaded the DT DOOM level the other night...heres a review.
"Jesus there are a lot of f'kin guys in here!" "That picture's so coool!" "Dammit, I HATE SKULLS!!!" "Hear that music, it's Caught in a Web!" "What does he say?" "--Caught in a weeeebbbb-- and you teleport onto a web with spiders... Oh Maann"
Overall...I thought it was pretty unique. The wall textures for the albums looked great! And I thought the music was totally hoakey...I LOVE IT!!
For anyone with DOOM II...check out this level. It's a great fun ride!
While on the subject of DOOM...my roomate and I put together a sound wad based on the Princess Bride movie....it's totally awesome (air guitar!) If anyone wants a copy, let me know and we can work it out...
L8r
2 FINALS TO GO!!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Once lost but I was found When I heard the stained glass shatter all around me I sent the spirits tumbling down the hill But I will hold this one on high above me still She whispers words to clear my mind I once could see but now at last I'M BLIND
---------------> Kevin Moore <----------> Surrounded <--------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Devil's Plaything --- papined@pr.erau.edu --- David Papineau +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:03:52 -0400 From: Adam <alpine@negia.net> To: Doug Cronkhite <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Alternative Bands Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960422190352.00681278@negia.net>
>Ozzy was one of the best shows i've seen in a few years. I saw him >earlier this year, and the show was incredible.
Excellent. I'm looking forward to seeing him. It's hysterical. Everytime I tell someone I'm going to see Ozzy they look at me strange and ask if I worship the devil or drink rat's blood. After telling them that I live off the stuff I explain it's only an act and that outside of the stage he's perfectly normal (or close to it). Of course they don't believe me. Suppose they're used to the popular bands these days that just stand up on that stage and play the songs exactly the way they were on the album. I can't justify going to those kind of shows just 'cuz they're so damn boring. Is Ozzy still up to his tricks live?
Adam Pye - alpine@negia.net - http://www.negia.net/~alpine - IZZC #1426 - Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:17:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org> To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mission Impossible Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960422151003.4041A-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
I just saw a video for the Mission Impossible theme, or at least the tail end of it. Apparently there is a Mission Impossible movie coming out. It kind of sucks that the people doing he song wherre Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen Jr. instead of the boys though. I guess it's alright though because U2 is still a great band, but one can hope right?
-andy
Andrew Miller Real people get mail from my other account, andym@dreamt.org only there will you see the true signatures --or-- of Andy Miller. Thanks go out to Ryan, for ytsejam@Udel.Edu without him this .sig would not be possible.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Alternative Bands Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960422122128.558A-100000@noc.cerf.net>
> Is Ozzy still up to his tricks live?
If you call a water cannon that can reach 40 or 50 rows into the crowd his tricks.. I'd say yes !! :)
Doug
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:26:17 -0400 From: jgreene@acs.bu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jeff Cline Message-ID: <199604221926.PAA106232@acs5.bu.edu>
Please tell me that was a joke. Please.
The "T" in WDATU comes from the Bahr CD that seemingly everyone but YOU knows about. As for "Theatre" well, just get over it.
Sum peeple just haf a hard tim with speling.
jeffrey g.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:39:54 +0100 (BST) From: "James Wiseman (Mr Who?)" <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: silly sounds. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960422203426.2157E-100000@slc-22>
Rudy, My keys are stroke sensitive but might as well not be as the balance is shit. As an extra little toy, the damn thing goes "moo" and "cock-a-dooodle-doo" and "ye-haa", "woof", "mieaww", etx, etc. I'm getting a bit pissed off with the thing now, but I can still play "wait for sleep" on it (nearly).
Laters,
Jimbo the funky beer monster.
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:12:20 -0700 From: fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: your newness is apparent... Message-ID: <v01530501ada135894c9f@[128.111.29.63]>
>Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:44:50 -0500 (CDT) >From: Jeffrey Cline <jcline@quapaw.astate.edu> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Get it Right! >Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960422103502.12958B-100000@quapaw.astate.edu> > > I have been on the Ytsejam for a few months now and I keep noticing >people making mistakes when talking about Dream Theater related stuff. >For example: >WDATU-What the hell is this? Last time I checked the name of the CD is >"When Dream and Day Unite". I don't see a T in the title of that disc.
uh, yeah. try giving the demi-god we know as Mike Bahr a call. among others, he has released a disc called "When Dream and Today Unite", which parallels WDaDU, but with James doing all the vocals. i am not alone when i opine that this is one kick-butt disc. so lucky for us, WDaTU is _not_ a spelling error!
p.
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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:00:09 +0300 From: Asi Louzon <alouzon@main.aquanet.co.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TABS Message-ID: <317A2349.3FF0@main.aquanet.co.il>
Hi all.
I recieveed the first digest, 1460. I wanted to know if it is about DT, because I have subscribed into it when I was on the official DT page 2 dayz ago. I would really appreciate it if anyone tells me where I can find Dream Theater TABS. I really need them, and it would be great! 10x all, and c'ya.
Asi Louzon alouzon@aquanet.co.il
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